Why do you hats Capitalism /int/?
But I don't, I love Capitalism.
>>61366172
I don't. I love Capitalism
https://youtube.com/watch?v=in4mAqHn_d4
>>61366172
I don't. I love Capitalism.
>Have you ever drank a glass of black rhinoceros blood? Of course not, I was just being colloquial to start this story with an anecdote. The first time I had a glass I was in South Africa, taking a celebratory drink in Johannesburg after completing a successful hunt. You see, in South Africa they don't hunt lion, or elephant. We hunted a more dangerous game: the kaffir, or black man. I finally had a 7 year old boy cornered in an Oingo Bongo merchandise warehouse when the thoughts passed through my mind: Should I pull the trigger? Can I ever come back to who I was before this moment? I pulled the trigger, made my first 100 million dollars. Mr. Johnson, this is something you need to ask yourself: can I pull the trigger on this deal and make the right choice? 10% funding for 85% ownership and prima nocte rights to your daughters.
>>61366476
topkek will copypaste
>>61366476
can't stop laughing omg
>>61366476
Kevin is based as fuck
I hope he becomes prime minister of Canada, he's like our version of Donald Trump
Capitalism is an inherently unjust social system and will eventually run the earth to its demise. It's fundamentally unsustainable and can be interpreted as the root of most great evils in this time period.
>>61366687
>Capitalism is an inherently unjust social system and will eventually run the earth to its demise
Wat
It's literally the fairest system of them all.
>can be interpreted as the root of most great evils in this time period
It can be interpreted as advancing the world to its current stage and creating wealth
>>61366687
you're mixing it with communism
>>61366678
>he's like our version of Donald Trump
I wish this meme would end. When he isn't playing a character Kevin is actually fairly serious and sensible, he isn't like Trump other than also being a CEO
>>61366706
>It's literally the fairest system of them all.
Explain yourself. Is social stratification ideal for you? Is life better when our lives are attached to harsh hierarchies?
>creating wealth
for who, pray tell?
>>61366172
I love capitalism
Also
>it's a Robert gets bullied episode
Because corporations have overtaken and destroyed all chance of good competition from happening. because some companies can't compete to the low prices of the products they sell.
Also these corporation entities have so much money that they pay to advertise themeselves to the point where people FUCKING KNOW they exist but rather try to indoctrinate the common citizen when those millions of dollars being spent on advertising themselves could be spent for better minimum wage for their workers.
Like seriously, everyone knows what the fuck a Mcdonalds is, same with a fucking Target and Wal-mart.
Put those millions to paying for their employees healthcare or something.
>>61366728
No I'm not. Global capitalism has won war of ideas for the time being, not communism. International worker solidarity is desperately needed
>>61366741
>When he isn't playing a character Kevin is actually fairly serious and sensible
Well yeah.
I watched his interviews, he's a really reasonable and nice guy. I guess he's not like Donald Trump in that he doesn't go off the rails and say edgy things. He's actually pretty reasonable and can be well-liked since he doesn't say outrageous things.
But he's also very liberal on social issues, so there's that.
>>61366750
>Is life better when our lives are attached to harsh hierarchies?
Hierarchies are a natural occurrence in society.
>for who, pray tell?
For the entire world. Capitalism has undoubtedly advanced the world more than any other economic system ever. And we are much better for it.
Watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76frHHpoNFs
>>61366777
>>61366750
yeah i remember when i was in 9th grade listening to RATM too m8
it does get better tho, your parents start to allow you to go to parties n stuff
>>61366808
your basically just describing the differences between the typical canadian and the typical american anyway
>>61366839
The average Canadian is mentally retarded
>>61366865
and the average american is much worse, you're fine
>>61366865
quiet you
>>61366865
>The average human is mentally retarded
Fixed
>>61366887
Why does that matter?
The average Canadian is so incredibly uneducated about the world it's astonishing
>>61366750
>Is life better when our lives are attached to harsh hierarchies?
Social classes are not a hierarchy (you don't obey to members of a higher class), and they're not specially "harsh" either.
>creating wealth for who?
For everyone. Wealth is more than money. It is the computer you use to read this. It is the clothes you wear, the education you get, the books you read (including the commie ones), etc.
>>61366921
A based frenchman?
I thought all of France was antifa and muslims
>>61366905
The best pisa results were in Quebec btw. I'm not sure what the "average" Canadian is. I've lived in Quebec, Ontario and Albarta and they are like three different countries.
>>61366941
being antifa =/= being anti-commie tho
>>61366905
This is true, but Canadians always know at least a little about Canada and the USA. That is 2, while burgers only know about USA, that is 1.
Take pride that we marginally beat one other country :^)
>>61366808
>Hierarchies are a natural occurrence in society.
kek. the "capitalism happened naturally" meme has to die.
>For the entire world
lads, we have a bootlicker here
>why do you hate being exploited, dirty prol?
>>61366921
They are absolutely hierarchies, just indirectly. Your average middle class person will by chance have authority over a given working class person in countless contexts. be it a policeman, manager, banker or whatever
>>61366814
do you have an argument as to why RATM is wrong, or are you just going to be sarcastic?
>>61366994
>kek. the "capitalism happened naturally" meme has to die
How did it not?
>lads, we have a bootlicker here
What? Capitalism has objectively and unironically advanced the entire world significantly.
Capitalism isn't a zero sum game. Watch the quick 3 minute video i linked
>>61366476
Good
>>61366921
>Social classes are not a hierarchy (you don't obey to members of a higher class),
this is just blatantly false
>and they're not specially "harsh" either.
so you can just go to a slum in India and just fit right in, you basically have the same material conditions right?
> It is the computer you use to read this. It is the clothes you wear, the education you get, the books you read (including the commie ones), etc.
Why exactly is capitalism required for these things? There are multiple modes of production and means of distribution you know
>>61367010
that's such a british thing, though. ever heard of being polite to the banker/guy who comes to fix your window/policeman/etc? everyone gets along great here.
>>61367011
lol you're unironically 12 lmao
>>61367010
>Your average middle class person will by chance have authority over a given working class person in countless contexts
Are middle class people not working or something?
Good job genius, you figured out hierarchies naturally exist in society... You don't mean to tell me... that WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT... and that SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE VALUABLE THAN OTHERS???!!!!
>>61366741
>When he isn't playing a character Kevin is actually fairly serious and sensible,
So Trump?
>>61367027
>How did it not?
it was instituted by force by the owning class, the current holders of the means of production. private property is not an inherent quality of society, in fact it is extremely recent
>Capitalism has objectively and unironically advanced the entire world significantly.
If you blindly ignore the flaws of any system and use high praise rather than factual evidence, you can say that about anything
>>61367050
>lol you're unironically 12 lmao
if a 12 year old did have a more well thought out perspective on politics than you did, how would that make you feel?
>>61367054
>that SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE VALUABLE THAN OTHERS???!!!!
straight from the trashcan of ideology
>>61367050
What are you on about? It has literally nothing to do with how people get on
>>61367054
So you concede the point then, albeit in a childish way
>>61366172
I really hate freedom, jews, usury and office-managerial culture stemming from the french revolution (the revolution of bureaucrats and shopkeepers) tbqhwy
>>61367054
>muh appeal to nature fallacy
Is there any other reason you people can give when defending hierarchies and inequality than "cuz it's natural"?
>>61367085
Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best and fairest system that has ever existed
>>61367107
>straight from the trashcan of ideology
So you think people are all the same? Some people aren't more productive, more hardworking, more creative or more talented than others?
>>61367135
>Is there any other reason you people can give when defending hierarchies and inequality than "cuz it's natural"?
Yeah. My reason is what other system can you have other than hierarchies?
How can you deny that some people are simply better than others in certain things?
>>61367151
>Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best and fairest system that has ever existed
Again, you can say that about anything if you blindly ignore the flaws
>So you think people are all the same? Some people aren't more productive, more hardworking, more creative or more talented than others?
No, but the idea of seeing people for their "value" a.k.a. ability to make somebody else rich is capitalist brainwashing
Yeah cus i wanna make some cash money baby
>>61366476
well fucking done
Capitalism is a spook.
>>61367151
People aren't the same but you shouldn't treat people as less than human. Capitalism in its purest form looks for profitable units it can derive from labour, that ever present search for the extra skim off the top degrades humanity and rewards unethical behaviour.
This is basic stuff Canuck
>>61367186
>Again, you can say that about anything if you blindly ignore the flaws
What flaws?
Just about every flaw of Capitalism can be attributed to government intervention, which I agree with you, is wrong. The government's influence should be kept at an absolute minimum.
>No, but the idea of seeing people for their "value" a.k.a. ability to make somebody else rich is capitalist brainwashing
Well how else can we see value in people?
>Make someone else rich
You can make yourself rich you know
>>61367229
>. Capitalism in its purest form looks for profitable units it can derive from labour, that ever present search for the extra skim off the top degrades humanity and rewards unethical behaviour.
^^^ this!
>>61367227
Spooks are a spook.
>>61367229
>Capitalism in its purest form looks for profitable units it can derive from labour, that ever present search for the extra skim off the top degrades humanity and rewards unethical behaviour.
Sounds like human nature to me
>>61366941
Socialism is dominant here, but capitalism still has numerous friends that know how to argue.
>>61367010
It's not "having authority" on someone, it's paying her (directly or not) to accomplish a task she chose herself. The working class person can leave at any time, and do whatever she wants. Thus there is no proper hierarchy. It is a contract.
>>61367046
Social classes aren't harsh since you can move up and down so easily.
There are multiple modes of production, but only one (capitalism) succeeded in designing, producing, selling and maintaining your computer. Communism wasn't able to do this.
>>61367120
it's not "authority" if you're just talking to a person who's doing his job, sorry, i can't agree
>>61367257
That's not an excuse for anything. Just because something is natural doesn't make it acceptable.
>>61367242
>Just about every flaw of Capitalism can be attributed to government intervention, which I agree with you, is wrong.
>>>reddit.com/r/libertarian
>Well how else can we see value in people?
is this a serious question? be creative!
>You can make yourself rich you know
Do you really think anyone and everyone can do that anon? Look at the top 1000 richest people, top 10000. How did they get there anon? Did they do it all on their own? I think you are missing some crucial details here
>>61367151
>people better at things than the other = hiearchies
Don't you see any logical flaws in here?
How being better at something relates to social hierarchy based on ownership of means of production?
>>61367276
Yes but how will you all of a sudden break human nature?
Yes there are some flaws but I'm just not seeing any reasonable alternatives presented that aren't far worse
>>61367260
I could have a normal conversation with the prime minister of the UK.
Has this got a slightest bit of relevance to our societal influence and power? No.
>>61367257
>Sounds like human nature to me
Why? There are wahabbi clerics in Saudi Arabia who insist women should wear burkas and not drive because not respecting the "natural" differences of gender would be against human nature. Do you agree with them? I mean, you can see that different cultures can create and enforce different standards of what is natural right?
>>61367276
lol yes it does, it's pretty much what makes it acceptable
this is why being gay is acceptable
>>61367277
>>>>reddit.com/r/libertarian
Is that suppose to be an insult or something?
>Look at the top 1000 richest people, top 10000. How did they get there anon?
Maybe they produced more value to society?
In order to make $1,000,000(other than directly stealing it from other people's pockets) you need to PRODUCE and get people to hand you over $1,000,000 by giving them value.
I don't see how you think people make money without producing any value. How can that possibly be true in your world?
>>61367300
the prime minister is not your boss, if anything you're his boss since you voted for him and he technically lives to serve you.
the only thing in there can't be called "authority" more like respect for the position. you respect the idea of a prime minister.
>>61367258
>Social classes aren't harsh since you can move up and down so easily.
kek. probably bait, but this is blatantly false. working class people by and large have working class children and the bourgeouise inherit through blood for the most part
>but only one (capitalism) succeeded in designing, producing, selling and maintaining your computer. Communism wasn't able to do this.
if communism could produce one of the world's most advanced space programs, how can it not produce a computer? there are already fully functioning co-ops for computer workers, it's not really that unrealistic. you are conflating labor itself with the way it is organized, I think
>>61367011
Capitalism is great for the most part but has its faults as well. Natural monopolies like ISPs are almost impossible to avoid.
>>61367258
>and do whatever she wants
Like die from hunger on the streets?
>can move up and down so easily
>easily
top kek
>>61367257
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>>61367135
>>61367330
>Maybe they produced more value to society?
>In order to make $1,000,000(other than directly stealing it from other people's pockets) you need to PRODUCE and get people to hand you over $1,000,000 by giving them value.
Before I get into detail with this, how old are you?
>>61367368
>>and do whatever she wants
>Like die from hunger on the streets?
Why should someone who doesn't produce be kept around?
>>61367331
actually i'm spouting out shit, of course it's authority, god i need to sleep
>>61367357
if someone wore all of those clothes and had more well thought out political opinions than you, how would you feel?
>>61367379
I am 20 years old.
How old are you? And further, are you a NEET or an otherwise minimum wage/close to minimum wage employee? What is your current networth?
What is your present job title?
>>61367384
>Why should someone who doesn't produce be kept around?
ahahahahahaahahahaha. your probably a lost cause dude but for everyone reading this, THIS is exactly why I don't like capitalism
>>61367331
Authority. The power or right to make or influence decisions.
And you're trying to tell me I have more away than the PM. Lay off the drugs.
>>61367399
i would still feel disgusted by the choice in looks
>>61367420
c >>61367389
>>61367417
yes which is why you need to grow up and realize things aren't for free
>>61367384
Spoken like a true socialist.
Indeed why do we need bourgeous if they don't produce anything and intead live by parasiting on fruits of labour of working class.
>>61367417
>your probably a lost cause dude but for everyone reading this, THIS is exactly why I don't like capitalism
Because you realized you don't produce anything?
I think it's quite clear you're either a NEET or an easily replaceable minimum wage employee.
The only way you survive is by stealing other people's money via men with guns known as the government
>>61367277
>How did they get there anon? Did they do it all on their own?
If it was as easy as "just hire people and exploit them XDDDD", everyone could become a billionaire (which is logically impossible since there would be no one to hire in the first place). Do you think Bill Gates has no special merit? (Inb4 the inheritance strawman, most billionaires are self-made.)
Now, in a developed country, everyone can become a millionaire quite easily, even the working class people with an initial capital of $0. Save money, invest wisely, and let compound interest work.
>>61367451
>Indeed why do we need bourgeous if they don't produce anything and intead live by parasiting on fruits of labour of working class
Wow becoming a member of the "bourgeois" sounds so easy!
So all I need to do is just start a company and employ people to exploit them and make billions? Great, where's your billions?
>2016
>not supporting a low regulation free market with a decent welfare system
t. former le edgy Marxist, now I'm Keynesian.
>>61367461
how come you're not a millionaire then uh
checkmate atheits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOurt19fP28
Kevin is based and he triggers leftists
>>61367330
>Societal value = market worth
Good fucking goy we have one who fell hook line and sinker
>>61367492
Kevin is liberal as fuck, he's just not a retarded socialist
>>61367406
OK, so in short, the richest people do not get rich for producing anything. They get rich by owning the means of production (usually inherited straight from daddy about 90% of the time) and using it to exploit the labor of people who fill rich lad's pockets. Rich lad is detached from the labor, makes more money than can be spent in a life time, and occupies his time figuring out new ways to hoard the money more than on "business". If you cannot amass extreme wealth without access to the means of production and means to exploit a labor force, then no not anyone can "create value for themselves" because *the majority* of the population has to sell their labor to rich lad in order to survive. If everybody had the means to produce within their own communities and for their own benefit rather than making someone else rich - then it would be capitalism. That my friend, would be socialism
>>61367406
Waiting for a response to this btw.
I want the socialists ITT to tell me their present job title and networth and age.
>>61367497
>>Societal value = market worth
>Good fucking goy we have one who fell hook line and sinker
Gee...
And tell me, who decides the "MARKET WORTH"?
Could it be, perhaps, SOCIETY?
This canadian is making me cringe and i'm pro capitalism. You don't happen to be the same faggot posting those self improvement threads do you?
>>61367529
Logical inequality there mate. All brown dogs are not all brown animals.
>>61366741
Trump is a public persona as well family
>>61367456
>stealing other people's money via men with guns known
oh god why do all reddit libertarians talk the same way?
>>61367451
haha this
>If it was as easy as "just hire people and exploit them XDDDD", everyone could become a billionaire (which is logically impossible since there would be no one to hire in the first place). Do you think Bill Gates has no special merit? (Inb4 the inheritance strawman, most billionaires are self-made.)
this argument, ironically, is a strawman
>>61367492
since when did the trend of "whichever political opinion makes the most people upset is the one i like" become cool? its kinda stupid
>>61367461
>invest wisely
Great advice man, changed my life.
>>61367480
The point was that it's not easy for majority.
But who knows, maybe this anon >>61367461
can share with us his secrets how to become a millionaire.
>>61367519
>the richest people do not get rich for producing anything. They get rich by owning the means of production
How did they obtain the means of production?
>(usually inherited straight from daddy about 90% of the time)
Source? The majority of billionaires and millionaires are self-made.
The people who DO inherit money blow it all. Generally Wealth is lost in about 1-3 generations. Any wealth held past 3 generations is considered incredibly rare and is usually some huge dynasty like the Rockefellers or Waltons or something.
>makes more money than can be spent in a life time
Who are you to say how much is too much money for someone?
>If you cannot amass extreme wealth without access to the means of production and means to exploit a labor force, then no not anyone can "create value for themselves" because *the majority* of the population has to sell their labor to rich lad in order to survive
Why are there so many self-made millionaires and billionaires then?
>If everybody had the means to produce within their own communities and for their own benefit rather than making someone else rich - then it would be capitalism
You can start a business with next to nothing.
>>61367555
lol he's been drinking the libertarian talking point kool aid for too long to have basic self awareness
Capitalism is pure shit and America is a perfect example desu
>>61367575
>The point was that it's not easy for majority.
Why isn't it easy?
The way you're describing it is that starting a business you just sit back and do nothing and the money just drips into your offshore bank account while you laugh at the poor working class people and drink their tears.
Age, Networth and Job title?
>>61367583
>Who are you to say how much is too much money for someone?
t. bootlicker
stomp on my neck harder daddy! harder!
>>61367593
national socialist?
>>61367609
What?
My neck isn't being stepped on by anyone. what exactly are you referring to?
I am in University and I work as a freelancer part-time and invest my money because I am not a retard loser like you.
Age/Networth/Job title?
>>61367647
nice e-peen, I don't care
>>61367678
Age networth job title?
I am asking a question. You asked for my age and I responded.
Also tell me how my neck is being stepped on by anyone
>>61367647
So you support capitalism because you personally benefit from it, as a well off educated class in a first world country. You also have a low capacity for empathy. If you just said this earlier we wouldve saved a lot of hassle
>>61367678
>Most of my assets dry up during the recession
But that doesn't happen. Is this what retards actually think?
The US economy literally recovered by 2010-2011 from the crash, if you just held your holdings they would have recovered and you would've made massive gains
>>61367720
>le empathy meme
>le VOTE LEAVE
make up your mind, britbong
>>61367720
>So you support capitalism because you personally benefit from it, as a well off educated class in a first world country.
Sure.
Did I magically happen to stumble into this?
>inb4 i bet ur parents are rich thats why u can go to university
My parents were poor immigrants who worked hard and now we are middle class.
So yes, capitalism did personally benefit me and my family
The free market accrues financial inequality and, by extension, poverty, crime, exploitation, etc.
>>61367740
>I am 17m people
>>61367689
I assure you my e-peen is bigger than you can imagine
UK lad basically summed up all there is to say really >>61367720
>>61367720
Again
AGE/NETWORTH/JOB TITLE?
Prove to me that the people posting socialist memes are not just people majoring in complete bullshit/have no job prospects, not working minimum wage or aren't NEETs.
>>61367766
age/networth/job title, NEET
My parents were poor immigrants.
How come we "made it" into this privileged class yet people who have lived in their countries for 3+ generations are still retarded poorfags voting for Bernie Sanders?
>>61367756
this
>>61367607
Because it requires high ammount of starting capital, ammout of time and effort for studying enough to have a business plan and also to be in the right place in the right time with the right niche for it to start up
Which is unatainable for the majority of population.
>>61367647
>I am in University and I work as a freelancer part-time and invest my money
literally the stereotypical libertard lmao
>>61367749
Thousands of opportunities aligned to give the required conditions for your parents (not your) success. Do you really believe we have complete control of our circumstances?
>>61367795
>literally the stereotypical libertard lmao
Better than a socialist NEET trying to blame evil capitalists for why he's a loser
>>61367785
>My parents were poor immigrants.
so were mine, and they make more money now than you ever will. I don't bring it up every minute though, because it's not at all relevant
>How come we "made it" into this privileged class yet people who have lived in their countries for 3+ generations are still retarded poorfags voting for Bernie Sanders?
a number of factors, but I honestly think most of them are boring to talk about. I know a bajillion people with new money immigrant parents, its not interesting and it happens all the time. you're still a bootlicker with no empathy
>>61367816
>socialist NEET
stringing these phrases together like they always go hand in hand really demonstrates how little you know about the history of what you are arguing against
>>61367809
>Thousands of opportunities aligned to give the required conditions for your parents (not your) success
Which ones?
My parents worked hard in order for me to be able to live a first world country and attend University. They never got lucky, they didn't inherit money or own the means of production and exploit muh proletariat.
>>61367828
>I don't bring it up every minute though, because it's not at all relevant
But you're saying that it's impossible when I'm telling you that you can very easily get to a decent quality of life with a little hardwork and effort.
>you're still a bootlicker with no empathy
Again, who's boots am I licking exactly?
Age/networth/job title, i'm waiting
>>61367848
The people supporting socialist movements are overwhelmingly NEETs or other losers.
hey guys look at my e-peen! I'm 35, my networth is 3 billion, and my job is freelance rocket surgery/video game programming! I did it all by myself, but now the ebil gubbermint is coming with guns to STEAL my money and give it to dirty leeches who want SHIT like healthcare and education. haha everyone who isn't me is a fucking loser isnt capitalism great.
>>61367352
>working class people by and large have working class children
It's ultimately their choice. The culprit is often their own mindset, not "the system" or "highest classes".
TL;DR: y'all ghetto niggas should read books and stuff
>>61367352
Communism produced things. Capitalism produced even more things, and made them accessible to you, so you're buying them (unlike some space program) and using them for mankind's profit.
I'm just stating than none of the things that surround you were produced or even invented by communism. Not a single one. Capitalism created it all.
>>61367486
>implying
Advice to become a millionaire in my next post.
>>61367882
I just want to know the job titles, ages and networths of the people who support socialism and hate capitalism. That's all.
I don't see why it's so hard to answer unless you're morally opposed to lying or scared of admitting the stereotype.
>>61367851
>But you're saying that it's impossible when I'm telling you that you can very easily get to a decent quality of life with a little hardwork and effort.
you are arguing against a strawman kiddo. never disagreed, except for "very easily". unless your parents really describe it as easy, in which case they aren't really the poor immigrants you make them out to be. You're allegiance to the ruling/uber-rich class just because you have petit-bourgeois parents who "made it" is what I would call bootlicking, you can call it what you like but anybody who says things like "Who are you to say how much is too much money for someone?" is a bootlicker.
>>61367870
>and he proves my point more instead of using his noggin
ok
>>61367851
Working hard is all well and good but many many people work just as hard as your parents, or, (shock horror) even harder, that haven't benefitted. Humans trick themselves they're in total control of their lives to spur their own effort, but this is far from the case. Pick literally anything... disease, disaster, undeserved firings, collusion and nepotism...
>>61367901
what country are your parents from? if you don't mind me asking dude
>>61367884
>It's ultimately their choice. The culprit is often their own mindset, not "the system" or "highest classes".
right. the proletariat has nothing to lose but their chains :^)
>
I'm just stating than none of the things that surround you were produced or even invented by communism. Not a single one. Capitalism created it all.
I can make up nonsense and insist it's fact that should be taken seriously too
>>61367941
t. Decolonize Institution X Leader
>>61367884
>It's ultimately their choice.
At the end of the day, yes. But you can't honestly tell me that every hoodlum can become a Ben Carson or something remotely decent.
>>61367574
>>61367575
>How to become a millionaire easily: the post
1. Save as much as you can, as early as you can.
2. Invest in low-cost ETFs to own the whole market. 60% in stocks and 40% in investment-grade bonds (or 100% in stocks if your willpower is strong enough to bear high volatility). NEVER SELL. All dividends must be reinvested. And pour money into your ETFs at regular intervals, no exceptions.
3. A working-class European or American, living on minimum wage, can become a millionaire in 40 years doing this. (The higher your wage, the faster you'll become a millionaire.) So it's very easy. It's long, but easy. People don't do it because they're ignorant, not because it's impossible.
4. Now you can't say I didn't change your life.
>>61367749
>Did I magically happen to stumble into this?
Yes?
Being born to rich parrents in the first world and then given good education. Sounds like you personally did nothing. If you were born into the poorer family you would be the same NEET or low wage laborer you so despise.
>>61367851
>you can very easily get to a decent quality of life with a little hardwork and effort
Come on, tell us how then?
Btw, are you literally autistic? This is anonymous imageboard, I can name literally any job, title and networth. It all goes down to you usind some shitty ad hominem "hurr poorfag" anyway.
>>61367901
>I don't see why it's so hard to answer unless you're morally opposed to lying or scared of admitting the stereotype.
you got me, I'm a socialist in college getting a major in woman's basket weaving studies and I live with my mummy who is a single mother on welfare. every day I pray to Barnie Sandman to give us free college and legalize weed so we can finally feel what freedom feels like #resistcapitalism #fuckbillgates
>>61367519
This is the main fallacy of Marxist teachings, the capitalist does not simply earn money by owning the means of production, rather for assuming risk/having an idea (forwhich there isn't an incentive in a purely communist/socialist state).
However, i dosupport the imposition of an inheritance and land tax
>>61367943
>Humans trick themselves they're in total control of their lives to spur their own effort, but this is far from the case. Pick literally anything... disease, disaster, undeserved firings, collusion and nepotism...
You must have not interacted with many poor people.
It's a mindset and mentality, they really are their own worst enemy.
Show me a poor person's monthly budget (haha, as if they even keep one) and I will instantly be able to point out their mis-allocation of funds. Anyone will.
They have this retarded scarcity mindset too where the whole world is against them...
>>61367941
>You're allegiance to the ruling/uber-rich class just because you have petit-bourgeois parents who "made it" is what I would call bootlicking, you can call it what you like but anybody who says things like "Who are you to say how much is too much money for someone?" is a bootlicker.
but really, who are you(or anyone) to decide how much is too much?
What if the government decided you owned a little too much for your own good? Where do we draw the line and how do we decide? And how can you trust those people that do decide to allocate the "redistributed funds" properly?
>>61367980
>Sounds like you personally did nothing. If you were born into the poorer family you would be the same NEET or low wage laborer you so despise.
How did my parents do it then? If they can do it why can't others?
Are my parents just that much more talented and skilled than a person who LIVES IN A FIRST WORLD COUNTRY, SPEAKS THE LANGUAGES SINCE BIRTH and has been there for 3 or more generations?
>>61367884
You're sounding religious in regards to capitalism. Men made these things not an abstract concept.
It's a bit like if in 1400 you blamed wars on feudalism and royal grabs for power. How ridiculous you would seem in hindsight when you see the events of the twentieth century
>>61368006
>This is the main fallacy of Marxist teachings, the capitalist does not simply earn money by owning the means of production, rather for assuming risk/having an idea (forwhich there isn't an incentive in a purely communist/socialist state).
sure, I can see that point of view although I don't agree with it. an actually good argument unlike most of this thread
>However, i dosupport the imposition of an inheritance and land tax
good
>>61367975
>40 years
>>61367994
Why do you keep using retarded memes? I've had to ask you like 6 times now.
just tell me your age, networth and job title/major. It's that easy, that's all I'm asking for here. I just want a basic, self-reported survey to see which field and age group supports socialism on /int/(or other boards).
Why are you making this so complicated? You're so clearly embarassed about something because you'd rather write out 6 paragraphs in posts using sarcasm instead of writing an incomplete sentence answer to satiate my curiosity.
>>61367975
>1. Save as much as you can, as early as you can.
Save? Sounds too hard. Shaniqua is getting her hair done and I need to buy those cool steam games on sale so I can waste 60-80 hours a week rotting my brain.
>2. Invest in low-cost ETFs to own the whole market. 60% in stocks and 40% in investment-grade bonds (or 100% in stocks if your willpower is strong enough to bear high volatility). NEVER SELL. All dividends must be reinvested. And pour money into your ETFs at regular intervals, no exceptions.
What? That's too complicated. I heard some pyramid scheme sounds more promising. Why invest in the future when I can get a macbook now?
The s&p averaging 7-8% returns per year over like 80 years is too slow for me. I think i might buy bitcoins or something instead
>>61367975
>>61368040
kek being a "millionaire" will be meaningless at that point why bother
>>61368013
>You must have not interacted with many poor people.
Neither have you, if you're so convinced that they're vile, lazy, and stupid beings who don't keep a budget.
>They have this retarded scarcity mindset too where the whole world is against them...
They're poor, probably live in a shitty area, lack many of the amenities which we consider mandatory, and they have to work for what they can. I'd feel the same way.
>>61368013
>How did my parents do it then? If they can do it why can't others?
I don't know, you tell me how?
Most of the immigrants are not so lucky, they have a shitty jobs for the rest of their lives without having any opportunities.
The point still stands that you personally did nothing for it and if you were born in the poorer parents or in shittier country you would be the same neet or shitty job laborer.
>>61368043
18, 19k, Student
Happy now?
>>61368040
Yes, that can sound appalling. 40 years, if you can only save $300 per month (at 8% interest).
However your choice is being old and poor, or being old and a millionaire.
>>61367972
Well, the average hoodlum is still doing fine compared to his brother who went back to Liberia.
If we're not talking about problematic minorities, there are entire developed countries who have no "hoods" at all, so they don't have this problem.
>>61368080
>so I can waste 60-80 hours a week rotting my brain.
He says ever so smugly while arguing on 4chan
>this thread
>>61368026
Inheritance tax is an understandably iffy one but how anyone can justify massively increasing their wealth by owning the shared inheritance of the people is disgusting, plus it pretty much pays for massive infrastructure projects which increase the value of properties that benefit.
Re. The inventive idea, do you really think muh gates became so rich because he owned the means of production, or because of his innovation?
>>61366476
Top keks
>>61368135
>the average hoodlum is still doing fine compared to his brother who went back to Liberia.
I would never call Detroit fine relative to any place other than hell, but okay.
>there are entire developed countries who have no "hoods" at all
Where are these countries? I'm genuinely curious.
>>61368043
>You're so clearly embarassed about something because you'd rather write out 6 paragraphs in posts using sarcasm instead of writing an incomplete sentence answer to satiate my curiosity.
You got me. You're right it is embarrassing. Don't make fun of me, promise?
I inspect penises for a living. I didn't want it to be this way, but here I am. My dad was a penis inspector. My dad's dad was a penis inspector. I was set to be a professional basketball player and finally break out of the mold my parents set for me using my own talents. But then my mom broke both her legs after a roller skating accident. I had to drop out of basketball school to support her, and my dad died of shocking. The debt for hospital bills was crushing, and I could never go back to school let alone buy a professional basketball again. With my dad gone, there was nobody left to inspect penises. So here I am.
My net worth is... $1000. It's not much, I know, but I'm slowly getting by. I'm trying, really. I'm applying for apprenticeships at better penis inspection firms trying to work my way up.
So there you have it. That's my embarrassing story. Now do you understand why I was hesitant before?
>>61368013
Trump has a budget worse than any poor working man, he's millions in debt and lost most of his family's wealth. Guess he's just got that poor gene eh?
>>61368080
Poor Shaniqua, at least she's got pretty hair.
>>61368099
>le mighty "life is over when I'm 60" meme
Ever saw a 60-year-old saying "man, I wish I was poor"?
>>61368136
Ahh but sir you forgot. He has a leaf on his flag. Clearly this leaf denotes he is of higher status than we simple plebs.
>>61368203
kek
>>61368200
Kek
Penis inspectors of the world, unite!
>>61368222
>Ever saw a 60-year-old saying "man, I wish I was poor"?
no, I mean the value of a million dollars will have declined significantly and your situation won't be completely unique. you'll be a bit better off than everyone else, but not proportional to how diligent you have been
>>61368191
>Where are these countries? I'm genuinely curious.
Iceland, Switzerland, Luxembourg, etc. Basically all rich countries with no or few bizarro minorities.
(In Switzerland, flipping burgers at McDonald's makes you $3,500 per month.)
>>61368180
Not to get too deep into it but basically being lucky by finding a perspective niche + intellectual capital private property rights.
>>61368191
>Where are these countries? I'm genuinely curious.
Actually there are no technicaly hoods in Moscow and maybe in many Russian cities, but you can still be robbed in some places more than in the others. And even there there is a chance to get fucked.
>>61368325
>Luxembourg
This means nothing, Luxembourg's literally a meme state. You might as well list Vatican City.
>Switzerland, Iceland
There are no slums, no hotbeds of crime and poverty, in both of these countries? I also find it interesting that these countries are extremely small, isolated, and have some stint of liberalism (healthcare, free/reduced college costs, etc.) or pure serendipity (i.e. Switzerland's banking position).
>>61368263
>the value of a million dollars will have declined significantly
Probably true, but that's another problem. :^)
Remember that $1,000,000 is if you can only save the petty sum of $300 per month. If you can save more, you'll have much more.
>you'll be a bit better off than everyone else
In the current day, having $1,000,000 puts you in the top 1% of mankind, and top 6% of USA.
It also gives you freedom to live almost anywhere in the world, doing whatever you want. So it's not "being a bit better off" than the lad who saved up nothing.
>>61368395
Luxembourg has a bigger population than Iceland.
I could probably have listed some Asian countries with prosperity and probably no hoods (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore...). In the EU, maybe Austria and Malta?
Countries that are less isolated have more African immigration, i.e. hoods. I don't think hoods in Sweden are populated with ethnic Swedes.
Crime is almost unheard of in Iceland. And Switzerland has a few "hoods" populated with Africans or Albanians, but it's the Swiss style, i.e. the guys all earn $4,000 per month in regular jobs.
>>61368109
>I don't know, you tell me how?
Maybe they worked hard, saved money and actually had goals they worked towards?
>>61368576
Could be said about 90% of the working class in the world, it doesn't tell anything in particular.
>>61368203
>Trump has a budget worse than any poor working man
Why is he worth billions then? Magic?
>he's millions in debt and lost most of his family's wealth
Wat? He has a positive networth in the billions. In what way is he in debt?
>>61368593
Except that's not true.
Poor people are lazy and stupid, mostly.
>>61368630
you are stupider than the average poor person by a wide margin. inb4 "well actually my networth is blahalbalahblah blah"
>>61367003
>>61367135
>>61367292
>>61367451
>>61367575
>>61367795
>>61367980
>>61368109
>>61368369
Meh, if you're gonna be such a socialist then... post muscular Russian butt
>>61368651
Why am I stupider?
>>61368597
http://www.alternet.org/story/156234/exposing_how_donald_trump_really_made_his_fortune%3A_inheritance_from_dad_and_the_government's_protection_mostly_did_the_trick
Many more articles on it but can't link multiple via phone. Just Google 'donald trump lost family wealth'
>>61368686
I don't owe you an explanation man you're an arrogant prick just keep navel gazing and tell yourself people hate you because they're jealous
>>61368723
But no one hates me
I have a lot of friends who like me. Only NEET socialists on 4chan don't like me, and their opinion isn't worth much anyway
>>61368715
>Alternet is a progressive activist news service
Ah yes, Trump is worth billions but he's actually in debt and lost all his family's money. It all makes sense now
wtf i'm supporting hillary now
>>61368738
>Only NEET socialists on 4chan don't like me, and their opinion isn't worth much anyway
See there you go, that was easy wasn't it? Now be on your way
>>61368715
what an unbiased source of information
>>61368772
It was easy, you're right :)
Bernie can still win I think, it might all come around for you in the end
in my head I was thinking I bet Canadatard is going to attack the source and pretend the media is slandering donald trump instead of actually reading and thinking but I didn't write anything because I still had a tiny drop of faith that he wasn't THAT dumb
>>61368794
>Bernie can still win I think, it might all come around for you in the end
not a socialist tho and I don't like him. you know if you pulled your head out of your ass for a minute, you might be able to understand why other people think differently from you
>>61368783
Like I said, there's many to pick from... but of course you know that and are picking low hanging fruit to seem superior
>>61368810
I'm not going to give clickbait any views.
The fact that a news source would write "Donald Trump is an ignorant fool, he doesn't know anything about anything and worse yet he doesn't know..." already shows me that it's not worth reading.
This would be like going to occupydemocract facebook page and debating their 9gag-tier infographics about why they're factually incorrect.
This """journalist"""(not sure if same one) keeps injecting his personal opinions and insults when a news service should be unbiased. It's very clear that he doesn't like donald trump and will present a one-sided story for clickbait
Because a free market cares about nothing except making as much money as possible - that is not oriented around people. It's not sustainable.
I think eventually the economic model will collapse, when there's enough automation. When there's so many jobs taken by machines, there simply won't be jobs for most people.
>>61368013
>They have this retarded scarcity mindset too where the whole world is against them...
And this nis why we need to legalize drugs to ensure their extinction.
https://morecrows.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/unnecessariat/
The blog is leftist as fuck but it accidentally found a solution to poverty. The FINAL solution to poverty.
>>61369026
>When there's so many jobs taken by machines, there simply won't be jobs for most people.
Ah yes. When the robots will do all our jobs and we'll have personal spaceships.
I've been hearing this for so many years. Ask your parents and what they expected the year 2000 to look like.
>>61367151
>So you think people are all the same? Some people aren't more productive, more hardworking, more creative or more talented than others?
That doesn't mean a trust fund faggot inheriting a successful company is somehow better than some poor as fuck kid. You seem to think that vast amounts of wealth automatically makes a person better.
>>61369089
>That doesn't mean a trust fund faggot inheriting a successful company is somehow better than some poor as fuck kid
What is your solution? That shit isn't as common as you seem to think.
Do you believe that someone who has worked hard their entire life(that kid's dad or whatever) shouldn't be allowed to hand it down to their offspring?
>>61366172
being from a country that was destroyed by 42 years of communism. No , i don't hate Capitalism
>>61369211
but muh kids in nigeria living in poverty
the government will surely allocate the wealth better than the bourgeois
>>61369126
No, I don't. You also missed the crucial point of thinking that wealth means you're better as a person, which it doesn't. Many CEO's exhibit traits of psycopathy.
>>61369026
A free market is oriented around people, since it's maintained by people. It's not about making more money, but about letting people do what they want with their money.
Jobs are already taken by machines: more than half of the population is already unemployed. The trend will simply go deeper.
If more people are unemployed, goods become cheaper, so less people need to work to afford them. Concretely, if the machines can produce everything a man needs for a monthly fee of $50 (because all human labor is removed), then you only need a wage of $250 to feed a family of 5, excluding rent and tax.
>>61369292
>You also missed the crucial point of thinking that wealth means you're better as a person, which it doesn't. Many CEO's exhibit traits of psycopathy
That's the kind of people I want to associate with desu.
The rich people I've met and have hung out with tended to be much more intelligent, calmer(not constantly worrying about making this month's rent) and much more enjoyable to be around
>>61369231
well you can have wealth but here is a fact
we didn't even know how a mall looks like till 2012
and until 2012 we would get playstation etc 4 years atleast after they are released
not to mention computer parts being all outdated
this is just the stuff that effected weebs like me there is so much other stuff such as people getting arrested for being rich or famous etc
>>61369327
>we didn't even know how a mall looks like till 2012
>and until 2012 we would get playstation etc 4 years atleast after they are released
Working as intended
>people getting arrested for being rich or famous etc
Rich people need to be killed
>>61369293
I just want a more moral and sustainable society.
>>61369368
2015+1 still thinking "morals" are a thing
>>61369368
>I just want a more moral and sustainable society.
Look on another planet then
>>61369327
>>61369396
But actually that sucks bro.
How's life now for you? Any plans of leaving?
>that's the kind of people i want to associate with
>please notice me, accept me!
>i promise im not a psuedo-NEET freelancer student who pretends he can survive without government assistance when everything i consume including my education and healthcare are heavily subsidised
Is this canadian fucking autistic or just dumb? You're making us real capitalists look bad.
Delete your account.
>>61369324
>(not constantly worrying about making this month's rent)
This makes a person better because...? Seems to me that the people worrying about month's rent ended up getting fucked in the ass by the capitalist system by not having enough wealth to pay for their education and subsequently ending up as low wage slaves. That is why essential things like education and healthcare ahould not cost a dime. It is essential for human self-realization and -determination which in turn creates innovation and progress.
And before you start babbling about muh job title/net worth/age you should know that they have shit all to do with the discussion at hand. That's one of the things that led me to conclude that you honestly think wealth automatically makes a person objectively better.
>>61369424
well to an extent my life improved now without Gaddafi cuz so many more jobs available now and with a higher pay
I'm planning on leaving one day to see the world but that's after I graduate
>>61369479
>This makes a person better because...?
They're funner to hang out with.
>hat is why essential things like education and healthcare ahould not cost a dime. It is essential for human self-realization and -determination which in turn creates innovation and progress.
I don't give a fuck, they're not. Too bad. Winners win, losers lose.
>>61369449
>when everything i consume including my education and healthcare are heavily subsidised
I don't have control over that.
I would gladly attend a Private University and pay for private healthcare if the option were open to me.
But since my parents pay WAYYYY more in taxes than we take, I think I will make good use of the subsidized education and healthcare for now.
When I finish my degree I will try my best to work in another country
>>61369534
>I don't give a fuck
And it shows. You don't like innovation, progress abd humans creating wealth after their essential needs are secure? Why are you a capitalist then?
>>61369626
>Why are you a capitalist then?
Capitalism gives me everything I need, I have no reason to dislike it
>>61369642
You're more like a weird combination of corporatist and anarcho-capitalist.
>please mr. CEO fill my ass with your load!
Post yfw you realise the canadian libertard is actually a chink or poo in loo.
>>61369695
>>please mr. CEO fill my ass with your load!
How is that occurring in any way?
I thought I would be made fun of in here for being a socialist, but somehow Canadian ancrap libertard ended up being more embarrassing than I could ever be
>>61369716
>o-of course I'll sock your cock mr. CEO! let me swallow every drop!
>>61369791
Which ceo's cock am i sucking
>Of course mr goverment, you're infallible! Let me just rim your ass, pls decide how my taxes get spent!
TAKE THE POO
TO THE LOO
sing it with me
When did /int/ become so intolerably Yiddish?
>>61369890
NEETs have always been pretty overwhelmingly socialist, it's the one way they survive
>>61369904
I think you're a faggot and i make more than you.
Ethnicity/Ethnicity/Ethnicity?
>>61369997
I am asian
>>61370026
and there we go lads
threads over, he's a chink and his opinion doesn't matter (even though i agree with him - not the way he presents it)
>>61370053
Which ethnicity are you?
shitposting is tolerable but shilling is completely unacceptable. It's like someone farting in your face while you're trying to read /int/
>>61366172
Because I'm poor, and capitalism doesn't afford me any opportunities for meaningful advancement.
Unless you're born middle class+, moving up is almost impossible.
Though at this point I've kind of accepted the fact that no matter what happens, we're in this capitalist ride until the end. Machines automate factory jobs, service jobs, and - soon - transport jobs. Nobody will care until it starts to affect the middle class+ workers (desk jockeys who shitpost on facebook 90% of their day).
Could be worse, though. I was homeless, but after finding work I'm now happily living paycheque to paycheque, with almost zero down time and constantly rising costs of food, housing, and more while my wage stays the same (minimum wage) or barely moves (0,25$ an hour or so increase per year mandated by the government).
But I'll be dead by the time I'm 50, so whatever.
there's no "capitalism" it's just the natural system that's been practiced by literally everyone since the beginning of time until some hook nosed jew put ISM on it and screamed that everyone who ever existed must have been retarded for doing it and we should kill 90% of the population so jews can have control of the economy
>>61370104
>Because I'm poor, and capitalism doesn't afford me any opportunities for meaningful advancement.
>Unless you're born middle class+, moving up is almost impossible.
Do you really believe that?
University in Canada is very affordable(becoming free for poorfags in Ontario in 2017).
if you attend University and major in STEM with a good GPA/co-op you are pretty much guaranteed about $60k/yr salary within 2 years or so with a lot of room to move up. That's not too much but it's definitely about middle class
>>61370066
WASP
>>61370104
>Could be worse, though. I was homeless, but after finding work I'm now happily living paycheque to paycheque
Just wondering, what kind of skills do you have? Job experience?
>>61370026
>asian
>student
>doesn't have a real job
>muh rich parents
>libertard
you can't make this shit up
>>61366172
Capitalism isn't inherently evil, but like all things in life it requires moderation and regulation.
>>61370197
>Russian
>Krokodil user
>His country literally got buttfucked by socialism
>He's still a socialist
>Probably plays dota all day
can't make this up
>>61370138
>University in Canada is very affordable(becoming free for poorfags in Ontario in 2017)
When you have a few dollars left in the bank at the end of the month, a few thousand dollars per year for schooling isn't really "affordable".
And yes, the schooling is becoming free, but you still have to pay for everything else (food, housing, bills, etc.).
>>61370168
No special skills, really. I can use a computer, do basic stuff you'd expect literally everybody to do. Bilingual. That's about it.
My job experience would fall under "unskilled". I worked an assembly line for a bit, but had to leave because my heart problems forbid my body from doing anything more than walking about. Outside of that I've mostly done retail and service, with odd jobs here and there.
>>61370223
>When you have a few dollars left in the bank at the end of the month, a few thousand dollars per year for schooling isn't really "affordable".
Can't stay with parents or something?
>>61370240
Parents have disowned me, so no. Also, most poorfags won't be able to just "stay with parents"; a lot of the time if you're poor, you're working as soon as you can to help pay the bills.
>>61370104
>Unless you're born middle class+, moving up is almost impossible.
not true. It IS possible, just requires more work. Yes it is a flaw of capitalism but it's a better alternative to unsustainability.
>Machines automate factory jobs, service jobs, and - soon - transport jobs
That's true but it's happened for literally thousands of years. Sectors of the economy grow old and unnecessary. As humans we need to adapt to such changes
You're born in Canada. Take advantage of low cost uni like that other pleb says.
>>61370261
Well that's too bad.
I guess we need people working shitty jobs too. Someone needs to mop the floors and make my food too
>>61370215
Good strawman lad, too bad you are the only one here trying to wiggle his small dick about how cool he is irl. Typical classcuck logic.
>>61370306
I literally did what you do
Are you calling your post a strawman too? Because it was a good one as well
>Typical classcuck logic.
At the end of the day, you're the one who is poor and lives in Russia. I am the one who has money and lives in Canada. Sorry about that but not sorry :^)
>>61370240
>>61370282
>capitialism is so fair guys
>oh you don't have a rich daddy to give you money, too bad
>>61370349
Well, I just reposted irl info you posted, and you just used a country stereotype strawman. It's fun that your real life descriprion can be used as a strawman though.
>i'm rich and you are poor haha
Great point lad, I'd say it explains itself.
>>61370452
Ok it's not fair
What are you going to do about it? :^)
Your country's economy is crumbling, hows it feel? Hows it feel to have to live in Russia?
>>61370349
You're the one with parents' money and good enough luck to be born there :--DD
>>61366172
I love it
>>61370282
But that's the thing, we DON'T need people to work those jobs. A machine can (and will) do it better than any human, and will do it for much cheaper.
Hell, pretty much every low skill job could be automated tomorrow and life would go on. It's just not cost effective at the moment, or it's bad PR, or the technology isn't QUITE ready (see: self-driving cars; RIP truckers, bus drivers, taxis etc.).
Capitalism won't work in the long run (it barely works now, to be honest). Once automation really starts setting in shit's going to hit the fan. You can only "make" so many "new jobs" every time an automation wave hits. Developed countries need to get on top of UBI before too long, or there are going to be A LOT of problems in a few decades.
>>61370494
>You're the one with parents' money and good enough luck to be born there
Feels good man.
>TFW the Russian will never know this feel
>>61370528
>Capitalism won't work in the long run (it barely works now, to be honest). Once automation really starts setting in shit's going to hit the fan. You can only "make" so many "new jobs" every time an automation wave hits. Developed countries need to get on top of UBI before too long, or there are going to be A LOT of problems in a few decades.
Well I guess you're going to have to work at McDonalds until then.
it shouldn't be too long, only maybe 10, 20, 40 years until the machines take the jobs and basic income comes into play
>But that's the thing, we DON'T need people to work those jobs. A machine can (and will) do it better than any human, and will do it for much cheaper.
Technology is quite far to be able to automate these jobs anyways
>>61370469
Well, at least you admited it all, then my job here is done.
>What are you going to do about it?
The time is yet to come.
>>61370569
>Technology is quite far to be able to automate these jobs anyways
Not really. They already have the machines (and, in some areas, have already brought them out), it's just a matter of costs and PR at this point.
And it doesn't have to be instant, it can happen in phases. McDonald's by my place just replaces their five registers with one, and ten order screens. And the Tim Hortons at the university in town recently brought out self-serve coffee kiosks (you order, pay, and the machine makes it right then and there); you still need a person there for foodstuffs, but probably not for much longer. And the last assembly line I worked at could DEFINITELY automate away every person in there, no problem.
Anyway, as I said, governments need to start looking into UBI NOW, not THEN. If you put a hole in your boat, you don't wait until you're waist-deep in water to start plugging it up, you should start thinking of solutions (and implementing them) before that point is reached.
>>61370534
Yet you scold him for not having the same luck at the start of life :D
>lol like just try not to be poor man! I know you were born in a shithole without wealthy parents to take care of your advancement but who gives a shit lol! You're poor, I am not!
You're not exactly a capitalist
>>61370667
>The time is yet to come.
Hasn't communism destroyed your country enough? You looking for some more m8?
>>61370671
>You're not exactly a capitalist
whatever I am, I like it desu
>>61370668
Enough posting.
You need to be applying to some minimum wage jobs now. I need you to make my food.
>Anyway, as I said, governments need to start looking into UBI NOW, not THEN
As soon as UBI is close to implemented I'm putting all my money offshore. That shit will officially destroy this country.
Ontario is planning it, and Ontario is the most indebt subnational in the entire world right now.
>>61370569
>basic income comes into play
>being given goods for doing nothing by the advances of the common technological development
huh, I guess there is a commie deep inside every libertard
>>61370787
>>being given goods for doing nothing by the advances of the common technological development
Why do you think this shit will even happen in our lifetimes?
I don't. We had the socialism vs. capitalism discussion, it was called the cold war.
>>61366172
Because it kills cultures, the environment, enables wage slavery among many other things.
>>61370718
>Ontario is planning it, and Ontario is the most indebt subnational in the entire world
To be fair, Ontario's government is...less than amazing at handling taxpayer money. And they keep pulling shit (all the billions wasted on subway PLANNING for Toronto with nothing done, selling hydro, highways to nowhere, etc.), not to mention the scandals.
UBI will be a good thing. I really don't understand why so many people are against it. Your tax dollars ALREADY go towards "the poors", it would just be a restructuring of the bureaucracy for welfare and a different distribution method (you'd get the same amount as everyone else, too).
>>61370718
>all my money offshore
WOW. Calm down Soros! The canadian government NEEDS that freelancing money!
In all seriousness UBI is fucking stupid but acting like you're better than a guy online because you're wealthier than he is when all he's trying to do is earn a living is fucking pathetic you dumb chink.
>>61370799
Maybe it won't, the sooner it will the better though. That's why it's worth supporting it, even if only in theory. After all this is in some way something we commies want.
Capitalism makes you greedy
>>61370981
Why is UBI stupid? In Finland it remove a lot of dumb bureaucracy and make the handling of gibsmedats easier. It's also for EVERYONE not just poor drunkards and somalis
>>61371072
If every country in the world adopted UBI then the price of everything would go up to the point where it effectively nullifies UBI. You're only benefiting because most goods you consume are produced outside Finland.
Capitalism has caused every kind of moral and cultural decay is the western world.
I don't how you can't be against degeneracy and pro-capitalism.
