>North American secessionist movements
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING, RIGHT?!?!?
Yes, north america is only for 3 cunts
>>61362028
t b h, Newfoundland's only been part of Canada since '49, not every region inside of a nation feels that close in identity with their nation
>>61362028
>>61362120
I support Texas and Yucatan seceding. Rio Grande too.
>>61362028
Dixie WILL rise again
>>61362203
They were their own country, yucatan came back when they couldnt handle themselves
I don't want to secede and I think people who do are pretty dumb but it should at least be possible.
>>61362217
AHH, YES IS IT TIME FOR YOUR ANNUAL SOUTHERN UPRISING AGAIN
SETTLE DOWN TOT
>>61362028
Dunno, UK just leave the EU.
Nobody thought it was possible.
But it happened.
Why not some North American states?
>>61362217
MFW North Carolina will never rise again to be cucked by Dixie
There is literally nothing wrong with regionalism. Especially in North America.
I'd be all for places like Quebec, Atlantic Canada, Prairies, Dixie, Cascadia, New England leaving if it were ever economically feasible. I have little in common with people in Ontario so why should they be making decisions for me?
Same for the US. Be proud of where you come from.
>>61362393
What the fuck did you say nigger
>>61362420
this so hard
in the old world, cultures defined borders
in the new world, cultures are barely even tied to borders (BC/Washington/Oregon, Manitoba/Midwest, New England/Atlantic Canada etc)
why should people with completely different cultures live inside of some big federal mess if it is fiscally viable for independence?
>>61362248
>yucatan came back when they couldnt handle themselves
Yucatan came back because the criollos couldn't dominate their indians. Now 100 years later it's a moot point since they're still 70% Indio and a the majority of the political rulers are Indio after all regardless. They'd be better off without Mexico either way.
>low crime
>major tourism money
>all that oil
10/10 would form guns for oil deal with.
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>>61362546
It will not happen anyway anon, but let texas secede, I would like to see that
>>61362615
>I would like to see that
I bet you would you spic fuck
>>61362515
>TALKS ABOUT CILTURE
>LITERALLY NONE OF HIS EXAMPLES HAVE CULTURES INDIVIDUAL TO THEMSELVES
>>61362657
>Atlantic Canada
>not a culture individual to itself
>>61362028
The United States will never allow even a sniff of instability.
>retards still thinking that seceding from the USA is possible
Why would you even want to. What the fuck is wrong about being part of the United States? Like, I can't fathom what dipshit Texans think will be beneficial if the US let them leave.
>>61362624
Yes
>>61362615
Yucatan is already rationalistic as fuck. The everyone in Yucatan hates the chilango and mainland fucks who vacation there. If offered support I'm pretty sure they'd leave in a heartbeat. They're forced to give up 90% of their oil money to the federal government too. I'd sure they'd love to keep 100% of it.
>>61362657
>atlantic canada
THE FUCK YA ON ABOUT MY SON
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>>61362707
>I can't fathom what dipshit Texans think will be beneficial if the US let them leave.
Because the federal government is leaching off of us to pay for subsidies in the rest of the country
Also because they can fuck off with their bullshit regulations on business and industry
>>61362321
Because the EU was conceived as a loose confederation of sovereign nations, whereas the United States was founded as a sovereign nation itself composed of semi-sovereign states.
In other words, the EU was created as an agreement among nations that have already had hundreds upon hundreds of years of their own history, whereas the US was created from it's very first day as a perpetually bound union.
The founding fathers never wrote any provision for a state to leave the union, not because they didn't think about it, but because it's dangerous to the survival of the sovereignty at large. If they would've allowed some pathway to secession, then it could be used as a political tool for states to coerce the federal government or other states into giving them something stupid they want. The American Civil War was (obviously) a good example (inb4 it was fought about slavery; the Civil War was fought for both slavery and for the rights of the seceding states).
Don't get me wrong, I think one of our biggest issues domestically is that we're just too big, however secession through political means would never be possible. The only way America would fragment into smaller regional powers would be through an intensely brutal internal conflict.
>>61362758
They can try
>>61362707
>I can't fathom what dipshit Texans think will be beneficial if the US let them leave.
No federal income tax
Freedom to throw out Federal laws they don't like
Easier firearms access
Retention of their full oil revenues
Texas is probably on of the few states that could stand on it's own if it seceded.
>>61362836
>Because the federal government is leaching off of us
So like the rest of the US or any government ever.
>>61362836
>Also because they can fuck off with their bullshit regulations on business and industry
I'm pretty fucking sure if you tards left you'd be getting some seriously raw deals. To my knowledge Texas cannot support its self at the moment and taxes would skyrocket to high hell.
>>61362823
god newfoundland is so based
wish i lived there desu
>>61362437
History time!
>North Carolina for months was thoroughly divided on secession or union
>After much opposition, a convention was finally held.
>Just barely join the Confederacy
>Last state to join Confederacy
>Contributed greatest number of troops
>Despite contributing so much to the war, the North Carolina delegation was always ignored when they pleaded for support and much need provisions.
>In a number of major battles, North Carolinians held their ground more often while everyone else retreated,with Robert E. Lee once saying "God Bless the Tar Heel Boys".
>Took the greatest number of casualties, with numbers estimated around 40,000. Entire state fucked up by a war in which the Confederates only gave tacit support.
>Was the first state to have martial law ended during the reconstruction period
>Became one of the most prosperous states in the South
>Today, it has one of the best university systems, a vibrant service and banking industry, and a thriving biotech and communication technology economy.
So in conclusion, Dixie has always cucked North Carolina when given the chance.
>>61362915
You're probably right, in a perfect world at least. Hell, they have their own independent power grid. Sad truth is just that the fed would never allow it in a million years.
>>61362969
They have a fuck load of arms manufacturing facilities too. Also I think they alone contribute something like 25% of all the personnel in the US military. Don't know the exact number but it's something absurdly high like that.
>>61362899
t. Porfirio Diaz
>>61362969
>Sad truth is just that the fed would never allow it in a million years.
why not? Would your government not allow an independence referendum? thats very undemocratic.
>>61362915
>No federal income tax
>implying they won't make local tax just as high
>Freedom to throw out Federal laws they don't like
While a benefit it's still not worth leaving.
>Easier firearms access
Fun but not worth seceding.
>Retention of their full oil revenues
That's basically the only thing going for them. You guys will have severe water problems, bad import trade deals and 0 support from the US without funneling that oil money back into them like usual; basically no country is going to do shit with Texas if they can do it with the US. The people who dream about seceding don't think about the future and just want to scream TEXAS FUCK YEAH.
>>61363077
There's too much past history related to preservation of the union. If the Civil War had never happened, then the current societal views toward the Constitution might lead to the government allowing regional independence. That's not the case though, the Civil War was (basically) initiated by the North as Lincoln and others at the time thought that to allow states to secede and enter the union at their leisure would cause instability, unreliability, and weakness on the federal and international level.
With that massive conflict standing as precedent, it'd be hard for the fed to justify permitting something like that.
>>61362724
I like it here though
>>61362927
>To my knowledge Texas cannot support its self at the moment
We have a surplus of food, water, natural gas, oil, and a lot of other resources
The federal projects in the state(road systems etc) would be taken care of with the money already going to the federal government. There would conceivably be less money taken in taxes because we aren't paying out extra in federal taxes to support other states though who knows how that would go.
There is a large tech sector here, several sustainable energy companies are based here, Midland is a liscensed spaceport iirc so the space industry would be a decent earner, oil is an excellent source of revenue. The economy is actually fairly good here
We have one of the largest national guard forces in the US so defense would be OK. This time we wouldn't have Obongo cucking us on border security though
Our post indpendence situation isn't that bad. Better than most
This is assuming a peaceful secession though, we couldn't win a war for independence
>>61363102
Not him, but there's a few states that are already throwing out federal laws in direct violation of the government. Colorado is technically in violation of federal law with its marijuana policies, and IIRC Montana basically told the ATF to go fuck themselves and is essentially ignoring the NFA, so anyone living in Montana can buy and own any gun they want.
Granted, these states are either so lowly populated or the laws are unimportant on the larger/societal scale, but still, it's happening.
>>61363239
Yeah but they're not seceding is the thing, they're giving the Fed's the finger.
Alaska has also abolished all gun laws stating they're anti-constitutional.
>>61363320
Yeah but my point was that they don't need to secede to throw out federal laws, or at least lesser ones.
Haven't heard that about Alaska though, how recent is that? I know their laws are lax af but I never heard about them totally nullifying federal regulation in that realm
>>61362217
>dixiefag frogposter
the absolute worst
I agree with OP but 3 countries is too much.
Kill the banksters, the rich, all counter revolutionary forces and found the Union of Socialist States of America.
At least kill the banksters.
>>61362028
CALIFORNIA WILL ONCE AGAIN BECOME AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY
>>61363077
>Would your government not allow an independence referendum?
Secession was determined to be unconstitutional sometime around the Civil War, so no
Really it's because the Civil War fucked our nation's psychology up so secession will always be off the table
>>61363362
Fuck you Commie nigger Yankee scum
I do what I want
Your thoughts on this?
>>61363359
Awhile ago, A year or two maybe?
Texas can tell the Fed to fuck off but I'm pretty sure it's just politicians using rhetoric to further their careers by getting the uneducated masses hyped up about becoming their own country.
>>61363371
>Icelandic Banter
>>61363426
Could be pretty cool. I think it would work better if it was a federation broke up into a dozen or so regions rather than just 3 nations and each had enhanced freedoms regarding tax rates and that type of stuff. Create internalized competition as a bulwark against EU competition or jobs fleeing to Asia.
>>61363392
be a dixiefag if you like, but please don't use stale reddit memes, there are too many here as it is.
>>61363433
Who needs banter when you have the true immortal proletarian people's science of Marxism?
>>61363371
>Union of Socialist States of America.
>USSA
Shit acronym, dropped
>>61363426
>soon
>>61363426
>implying anyone wants your crime
Canada is basically the 51st anyways so it doesn't matter.
>>61363426
We just need to find an acceptable flag
Most of the ones I've seen are shit
>>61362875
>perpetually bound union
all of time is a long time m8
>>61363517
Just asking I also dont want your mass shotings
>>61363512
>>61363077
Secession affects everyone in the union, so the democratic way to handle it would be to have it pass two-thirds of the state legislatures.
That's not going to happen though.
>>61362420
>A FUCKING LEAF
>>61363548
You'd be pretty dumb not to want them considering a few dozen dead gays every couple of months beats a few hundred random people executed every week by the original ISIS.
>>61363560
>>61363570
nothing he said was wrong, fuck off you retarded memer
>>61363544
Eh, you get what I mean. Basically the only way that a region or state could split off is if they fought for it and won, which the South didn't end up succeeding in.
Back then, when the nation was still young and growing, it was a lot more relevant of a mentality. Nowadays, if done in a controlled manner, I'm sure that a regional independence movement could be completed while maintaining economic, social, and military prosperity.
>>61362875
I'm going to disagree, if we had a serious secession movement that actively declared war on the US, I think we would just let it go. Some of the military would probably just refuse to fight, or outright defect. Plus, the optics of the "nation of liberty" firing on its own citizens would look really bad internationally; China and Russia would call us hypocrites, and might outright provide support to the rebels. Using drones would make it even worse; foreign countries would spin it as "US soldiers won't fight own citizens, government sends robots to kill secessionists." Plus, a protracted secession war would be really bad for financial markets and would destroy infrastructure, which business/banks in the world's biggest economic power don't want.
It's not 1861 anymore, when we were a rising economy and most of the country was fairly undeveloped, especially the South when compared to the North; there's a lot more to lose now in a protracted conflict, and battles aren't fought on battlefields anymore, especially in the case of armed insurgencies.
I generally agree, though, that a peaceful political secession probably wouldn't happen, unless it became very clear that the large insurrection I just spoke of would be the result absent peaceful negotiations.
>>61363627
>>61363627
ayyy, the spoiled kids with their utopia always make me laugh
>>61363191
>we aren't paying out extra in federal taxes
we have the lowest in "recieved" welfare, because our Governors are lunatics who think that public health is retarded and metal health is a scam. Also women have little to no control over their own bodies. It's not that we don't get federal monies, we just don't use them.
>We have a surplus of food, water, natural gas, oil, and a lot of other resources
the oil and natural gas in the ground and refineries was sold to corporations ( foreing and domestic ) lock stock & barrell decades ago, don't kid yourself into thinking we own it because it's under our ground.
Our water system, is a system of federally funded man made reservoirs, texas' geology doesn't lend itself to lakes, they need almost constant repair to feed agriculture and public utilites.
the national guard is a FEDERAL military force. Anything stamped USA be it a fork or an M1 tank belongs to the united states, and unlike 1860, they wouldn't leave it behind. this also goes for the countless military bases. they aren't Texas property, but US government property.
The tech sector thing is much like the oil etc. Texas being a part of the United states is why they are here. We leave they are more then likely to leave then renegotiatie a deal with a rogue nation. then there are the employees of said company whom the majority of which are out of staters to start with, with no ingrained USI loyalty to the state. They will bolt asap. This is a big problem in ALOT of fields desu
I'm not saying we couldn't stand on our own, but if you're imagining anything other then a 3rd world country, you're just delusional.
also there is no clause in the Tx Constitution about leaving when we want ( yeah, like Sam Houston [ a staunch unionist] would have allowed it ), and frankly TX signed the Reconstruction acts. AND even the Supreme Court weighed in ( Texas v White )
tl;dr we aren't going ANYWHERE as long as the US remains an intact country, if that happens,who can tell?
