DutchEmpire and Portuguese Empire, which was glorious?
Dutch "Empire"
>>61338656
Don't you dare mock the greatest empire known to man.
>>61338756
He's innocent then.
>>61338603
Alberto Barbosa empire.
The one that is still relevant and not filled with gypsies.
>brazil food: bread
What did they mean by this?
I thought it would be bananas
>>61338855
So neither?
>>61338603
>empire
>glorious
The one that made the most money.
>>61338603
the mongol empire
I like traditional Dutch culture (except for the language which is pig-disgusting, and also the fact that the Netherlands nowadays is COMPLETELY fucked and beyond saving, thanks to pic related), I love their God-tier infrastructure, I love how they literally wage war on water and actually win (the absolute madmen), I really like their history, in general I simply really like the Netherlands.
But one cannot deny that Dutch colonies were (and still are) absolute dogshit. They were good at trading and sailing the entire world making a profit wherever they went, but they really sucked at actually building proper colonies.
netherland is shit country, very third world
>>61338656
how dare you
>>61338656
>>61338821
t. alberto barbosa
>>61338846
>>61338909
>>61338992
stinking colonials
The truth is, you can't compare the two. Ours was an empire created only for the purpose of effective trace, Brazil is a country formed by mass immigration from several countries, with south Brazil even rumoured to have mostly European immigrants.
>>61338603
Brazil map for the Portuguese empire is wrong, it's using the current borders.
Pic related is from 1822, the maximum control the Portuguese had over South America.
Regarding food: it varies too wildly, but I think "bread and rice" would describe it better.
>>61339119
*effective trade
>>61339111
116'
I like your country and language but admit it, the Dutch Empire can't be compared to the Poortuguese Empire.
>>61338603
Portuguese without a doubt
>>61339212
>I like your [...] language
2km8
>>61339231
Dutch were smart and just wanted the monis. Spain on the other hand wasted the silver on cathedrals, roads, universities and other shit in Latin America.
>>61339212
>I like your country and language
>actually liking Dutch language
Dude, Dutch manages to be uglier than English.
>>61339119
>with south Brazil even rumoured to have mostly European immigrants
Top kek. You people really believe brazilians are banana eating monkeys
>>61338603
South Africa was great until the eternal anglo came in and started raping and killing by sheer force
Now let's ask what was the worst empire.
The british 'empire'.
>>61339287
Most of the Spanish monis from America ended up in Europe's wallet. You can blame the Jews, the Habsburg's and the Bourbons
>>61339306
Maybe
>>61339287
Spain wasted most of their gold and resources on pointless religious wars within Europe.
>>61339409
You've got to admit that it was retarded to focus on gold.
Gold's only value is as currency and jewellery, you could have known the value would deflate if you suddenly introduce a lot into the European market.
On the other hand, the silk trade (Brits) and the spice trade (Dutch) had a constant demand, providing more potential for prolonged wealth.
>>61339409
>Letting yourself to be ruled by a potato farm animal like a Hapsburg
You're worse than the Murricans and their Mbongo Obama chimp.
The one that contributed most to Japan.
Hint: it wasn't the Dutch
>>61339553
>>61339545
It wasn't my fault, I wasn't there. Was it retarded? Ye. But let's now seek and realize that Spain was already a puplet state by then.
>>61339675
A R I G A T O
>>61338603
>religion
>islam
is this even a question?
someone post the pic where we kicked some dutch ass
Let's agree on which empire was objectively the worst of all European empires.
It was same shit, different era. Portugal was the richest (via trade) nation on earth, then Dutch overtook it (and became even richer).
>>61339834
I agree.
>>61339834
SUPPRIM
>>61339834
>doesn't include Quebec
Would be an easy win for worst if you counted Quebec
>>61339834
oh god agreed
>>61339746
Arigato < obrigado is most probably folk etymology, but here's a list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_Japanese_words_of_Portuguese_origin
>>61339545
>Gold's only value is as currency and jewellery, you could have known the value would deflate if you suddenly introduce a lot into the European market.
About that.
>The most complete and methodical developments of a Salamancan theory of value were by MartÃn de Azpilcueta (1493–1586) and Luis de Molina. Interested in the effect of precious metals arriving from the Americas, de Azpilcueta proved that in the countries where precious metals were scarce, prices for them were higher than in those where they were abundant. Precious metals, like any other mercantile good, gained at least some of their value from their scarcity. This scarcity theory of value was a precursor of the quantitative theory of money put forward slightly later by Jean Bodin (1530–1596).
>>61339872
Not so fast
>>61339834
That's not the Deutsches Reich
>>61339972
>>61339872
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch%E2%80%93Portuguese_War
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_The_Hague_(1661)
i guess it was technically a tie, though we did win more battles
>>61339081
but we literally just wanted the money
>>61339746
Arigatou and obrigado are unrelated, Leaf-senpai.
>>61340062
>auto-resolve.jpg
>>61340210
If "obrigado" was borrowed into Japanese, one would expect something like *oburigado or even *oburi (Japs often shorten words). But no way a /d/ between vowels would become a /t/.
>>61340131
>lost the east where most shekels can be made
>tied
Sorry maat try agian tomorow
>>61339094
Fuck you Poland
Dutch Empire: 1602-1975
Portuguese Empire: 1415-2002
>>61340062
>Battle of Nuremberg not even listed
>>61339119
>mass immigration from several countries
Nah. It's mostly Portuguese-African-Amerindian. The Italians, Germans and Japanese are minorities.
>>61340581
>brazil doesn't have any gold
also i'm pretty sure macau and many cities in india were still ours for quite sometime
dumbass
>>61341408
>literally had a province named General Mines
It was Argentina tier.
Neither. American Empire is the greatest.
I would say Portugal had a more glorious history, but dutch were better handeling it and taking better profits.
>>61341695
why are austria and ireland not colored?
>>61341615
exactly
>>61341894
Because theres already plenty of irish in America and we have germany, so we dont need austria.
Different types of Empires.
Portugal wanted to make money but then tried to follow Spain into having massive territories. So we got giant pieces of land in Africa and of course Brazil (plus smaller colonies).
The Dutch only wanted to make money and they excelled at that.
The Dutch kinda won for me because they managed to apply it to the country and not sink into madness after the 1800's.
Empire wise (muh territories) it's the Portuguese.
>>61341778
yeah, we got to discover and conquer a bunch of places before anyone else, but the Dutch actually got rich
>>61343094
>Implying we didnt got rich.
In the XVI century Portugal was 30 times richer than England.
So end this "muh monies" meme.
>>61343277
yes, we were rich, and then we became poor
>>61339382
He says, speaking English
>>61339972
Can you read?
>>61338603
The one that made money and isn't full of Niggers.
We just used our colonies to make money amd didn't really used them to settle. Sri Lanka was taken away from us by the British when we we're conquered by Napoleon and it was never given back again. Dutch is still spoken in Suriname, but only mixed people live there. The only good place to settle was the Kaapkolonie (South-Africa), but the Brtish took this place away from us and replaced the white population with niggers
>>61343700
So I guess Portugal then.
>>61343700
Don't be so hard on yourself, Geert.
>>61338603
Portuguese
>>61339834
Why ? The Belgians were worst
the Dutch were economically superior, even to the extent of being the only western trading partner of japan during their closed period
however, the Portuguese set the bar for the level of exploration of a colonial power
>>61339409
We also spent the 4th largest gold treasury of the world in weapons during the Civil War.
>>61344448
Didn't the Soviets robbed some as well?
>>61344448
>tfw we have a song about Piet Hein who jacked your treasure fleet in 1628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFSc275logg
Do you guys have anything like that?
>>61343393
the transition period was under spain. We went from (rich) trade empire to colonial empire under spanish rule. Our operations in india went from monopoly trade to borderline piracy.
>>61339174
>Pernambuco and MG will never share a border in your lifetime
>>61344134
the portuguese were trading in japan long before the dutch came in. It took more than 100 years for another european power to know how to cross the cape of good hope, those were 100 years of monopoly for portugal. The japan isolationist period happened exacly because the jesuits (that followed the merchants around) became too powerful there and something had to be done about that.
The reason the dutch took over was that the portuguese got btfo by england during the dutch revolt. And the dutch oportunisticaly took over most portuguese ports overseas while the portuguese army was fighting the spanish in europe (which also were at war with the dutch).
Ironicaly enough, england took those same ports from the dutch in following wars.
>>61346528
The Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, and British were at war so often you can't really call any one opportunistic. They all profited from wars between any of the other parties.
>>61346626
It was well worth it because we kicked Ottoman ass quite a few times, senpai.
>you were born just in time to witness the Dutch Empire 2: European Boogaloo
>>61347453
>finland-japan
>turkey-russia
>ukraine-cyprus
Toppest of keks
>>61347453
delet this
>>61341894
Austria is Swiss-tier neutral, as is Ireland.
>>61339174
>CIS platina
>triggered
>>61353488
>u r gay
everything makes sense now.
>>61353591
epic
