How are farmers viewed in your country?
Would you ever be one?
>>61320444
Pretty much a forgotten entity to the point we're only noticed when something goes horribly and irrevocably wrong.
I own a half a beef cattle and sheep farm with my sister and her husband. It doesn't pay the bills!
Hence I work and live in Sydney most of the time.
>>61320444
respectable i guess, people kind of forget we actually have farmers, ive never farmed or worked on a farm so probably not.
>>61320444
I would love to be a farmer. But only of veggies. Seems idyllic
USA killed our agriculture, the few there are are seen either as uneducated peasants, or rich fruit exporters
Some thing of them as bydlo from kolhoz, most don't really care about them I think.
I kinda dream about it sometimes, but it's hard to even start one in here, not even making it profitable.
I am from a farmer family. They are more just there. And no, other than debt and being paid not to farm from the government it is hard work for so little monetary gain, other than owning property.
>>61320444
they're often regarded as stubborn, uneducated people that are quite hard to deal with (in some regions it isn't the case, but for the most part, especially in the southern states, they're like that).
>Would you ever be one?
My family owns a ranch so we sometime spend some time there on vacations and know the basics (when got older i read many books on things related to it). I suppose i'd become one if shit hits the fan and things get really bad (know it's already bad here, but i'm sure we haven't hit the bottom).
>>61320444
WANNA
>>61320671
Heared about that, same thing happened here, though i'm not quite sure how much round-up is used on crop fields of the farmers that managed to survive the NAFTA. I have also heared of all the shit Monsanto's number one pesticide has done to some children that live near crop fields... very sad
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Utter disdain, to the point where the Farmer's Party had to change name to the Center Party.
I think you'd face a pretty bad identity crisis having 10,000 brothers and sisters, which is why I assume Judy hated the idea. It's not a bad life.
>>61320444
I wanna fuck that rabbit
>>61320671
>there are are seen either as uneducated peasants, or rich fruit exporters
Exactly this.
>>61320444
we respect them but don't admire them. i'm not likely to become one but i don't see anything wrong with it
>>61320444
I dont know how most people view them but to me they are like businessmen. The nostalgic view is that the lone farmer plows his field. American food production is probably the most mechanized in the world.
>>61320444
Idiots that wants nothing but money. Everything they vote for, all they use their limited brain capacity to think of and everything they do is making more money.
>>61320671
>there are are seen either as uneducated peasants, or rich fruit exporters
this
>>61321111
Quads do not lie.
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>>61321229
Like literally any other business owner?
>>61321278
That's not Aladdin m8
Enjoy listening to braindead Shakira while I put friend like me on infinite repeat
>>61320792
lies monsanto round up is harmless, those crops they genetically engineer to secrete round up are perfectly safe for consumption, monsanto has nothing to do with all the bees dying.
>>61320667
Pussy. Real men only raise steaks.
>>61321425
I don't want to kill little beasties though. I used to put spiders and stuff outside but now my cat just eats them
>>61321425
this
Only thing I would want to raise on a farm is meat and herbs to season that meat.
>>61321284
Pretty much yeah. You would expect farmers to care about nature and stuff, but pollution is only a worry whenever politicians try to stop the farmers from doing it in the farmers' eyes
>>61321500
well their life depends on those farms
They used to be considered retarded and poor rednecks, but things have changed since we joined the EU and they were literally awashed with euromoney, they built big houses and invested in their farms, so now they're much more respected and many people from the city try to buy some land in a rural area just to claim EU funds.
Before we joined the EU my uncle had a lot of cows, but the EU started to pay money to farmers for doing nothing, proportionally to the amount of land they own, my uncle has like 30 ha, he receives about 1000 euros from the EU funds and he actually closed down his cow business and he lives off the free money he gets. Pretty good deal.
>>61320703
>being paid not to farm from the government
>pay money to farmers for doing nothing
If there is a dream job I wanted all my life, this is it.
>>61321709
If you hadn't vote for Putin, you would be in the EU and receive EU funds now. It's all your fault.
>>61321545
Actually it more depends on government and EU subsidies...
>>61321278
GIVE ME THE PORN YOU CUNT REEEEEEE
>>61321729
Well it's not like I was voting for him. In other circumstances our government could've paid money to farmers and do other fun stuff even without EU.
>>61320444
They're usually seen as uneducated but a lot of below 40 farmers have some sort of education
I used to work on my granddad's soy farm and it was alright. Wouldn't give up my current job to become a farmer though
>>61321771
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>>61321826
>Well it's not like I was voting for him.
So, as a filthy muscovite, you wouldn't get any money for farmers anyway.
>In other circumstances our government could've paid money to farmers and do other fun stuff even without EU.
Russia is poor, so your govt would never manage to pay such money to your farmers.
Also, do you even have individual farmers in Russia? Weren't their farms collectivized in Soviet Russia?
>>61321317
Thank you shill
Farmers are usually viewed as a cringelord minority here that just want free government subsidies for doing fuck all work.
>>61321317
>$0.03 has been deposited into your account
Small farmers are experts in somehow surviving on a negative profit business.
Big farmers are assholes who do everything in their power to make life harder for the small farmers.
>>61322006
So, I could even move to Moscow oblast, Russia is big, you know.
It could've not been poor if our government ever cared about doing it. Technically all farms are individual here, but even sort of small non-corporate ones are usually opened and owned by rich people with decent starting capital since it's hard to start a farm, or it's just small village unprofessional farms that only sustain themselves.
Lately I've seen farmers shops here but everything there is expensive as fuck.
>>61322175
>It could've not been poor if our government ever cared about doing it
It could be said about all of Russia. Strana rabov - strana gospod.
>Lately I've seen farmers shops here but everything there is expensive as fuck.
b-but sanctions only make you stronger at least
They are seen as true Dutch people.
>>61322100
This is absolutely true.
Also big meat farmers = factory farms which tend to be abominations due to the atrocities unsupervised employees commit there. I've seen liveleak shit of stabbing, shooting, cutting and slicing of animals that are due to die anyways. Torture is sick.
Subsidised for their dying industry. I get that it is their livelihood but they have to accept it is no longer profitable.
>>61322229
>b-but sanctions only make you stronger at least
sure, the stronkest we ever were
>>61322248
Do they all have windmills?
>>61322248
So that's why you call the South-Africans Boers?
>>61322331
Yes
t. Dutch pro
>>61322100
Small farmers hack out a niche where all the city people want organically grown by gulag slave labour boutique products where they can feel good about themselves while huffing drugs in their Prius.
Big farmers are basically there to pump out as much product that the market can support at the lowest possible rate- because for every greens voter in a Prius, there's 9 other people out there that JUST NEED TO EAT for a cheap as possible price.
As soon as prices rise, those 9/10 people not eating boutique organic donkey penises have to cut their spending. 6/9 will cut out other products, 2/9 will eat less and cut their spending and 1/9 dont eat at all/eat much less than they should.
Anyone with a really basic understanding of economics knows this is extremely bad, anyone with a high school understanding of sociology knows that large scale riots are about 3 missed meals in a row.
Now, you might not like farmers, agriculture or the people and methods they use, but a nation with no food security is in really deep shit (see UK during WW2) and its stupid to rely on other countries, governments and big business for your most basic of needs- food.
>>61323315
Don't get me wrong, I fully understand how integral farmers are, they're basically the backbone of any country.
But I still don't like how hard the big farmers work to get rid of competition.
They find us racist, xenophobes, intolerant, rude and stupid.
>>61320444
Not good.
We call them peasants still.
Doesn't help that most of them are literally Indians.
Unless they're highly industrialized farmers from the north I guess.
>>61321442
Did you pick them up with your hands, Mister Dundee?
>>61323833
No I put them on a scrap of paper or they may nip me
>>61323681
To be honest, it really comes back to the consumer
Majority of people don't want to pay $9kg for a free range chicken, they want to pay $3.50kg and that means intensive farming. As a farmer I don't like intensive farming (even though I know how to do it), but it has its place- otherwise you get all kinds of hokey shit like state run farms that are inefficient bullshit o heavily government subsidised farming which is basically a waste of tax payers dollars and uncompetitive/inefficient.
So we kind of get stuck in the middle, you have to be competitive in business or we just end up subsidised, state-run and that's not a dependency I'm comfortable with, so I work as an engineer, have a sideline in feral animal destruction and my brother in law is basically a salesman/plumber and builder. In between all that we have the farm, sometimes it makes money, sometimes we break even and a lot of the time its in the negative.
>>61323948
I need to stop eating red meat again and just eat fish. Its probably good for me. Cow's and lambs are cute anyway where as fish are untrustworthy
>>61321636
Wtf I hate Poland even more now
>>61321111
Came here to say this
>>61324355
>>61324008
Well, welcome to the top 10% of the world where you've got the decadent luxury of making dietary choices based on some sense of 'morality'
Rest of the worlds full of hungry skellingtons that could only dream of that shit.
Most of the seafood is farm-grown now anyway here, our oceans took a beating around the ringhole that would make most leftists faggots look tight by comparison
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>>61320444
as "racist" uneducated rednecks voting for SD
>>61320444
Ironically they are viewed as lower class though they have more property than most middle class. They are avoided by most women.
>>61325287
I live in Tasmania. Its nice here
But if you're honestly right wing in Australia atm you're the one with someones fist up your arse. Honestly you're being cucked by memes, liberals are shit for every aspect of this country and its only because Labour is such a useless pack of wankers that they got in in the first place. But by all means "stick with the current mob" retarded fairy
>>61320444
>Polish """"""""""""""""""""""""farmers""""""""""""""""""""""""
poor retards with 100m x 1500m """"fields"""" not paying taxes and insurances, getting EU help for burning grass, with absolutely 0 knowledge about agriculture, using 40 years old falling apart machines, leaving in shitty old falling apart houses, smell of shit everywhere, pathology and alcoholism
I would like to be a gentleman farmer
we SPIT on them.
all farming is done by thai migrant workers who are being exploited by getting paid below minimum wage and no social benefits. israelis only function as "farm operators" which basically means slavemaster
>>61326992
Classic Israel
Farmers in Australia are, by an absolute mile, the most conservative element in our society. They are also the whitest element in our society, and the most religious.
Some city slicking left-wing faggots hate farmers because they don't like the fact that there are some people not dependent on the state for their existence, but most Australians love farmers and see them as true Aussies.
However, this love for farmer is exploited by far-left city slicking faggots, who implement policies they claim will help farmers but actually hurt them.
In most of Sweden: Not only are they hard-working, they are relatively wealthy too. It's a pretty profitable work (unless you're a dairy farmer for some reason). Many people aspires to become one, but few manages.
In Stockholm
>lol dumb farmers we r mach smarter. lol why da fuck dont you get real jubs??? (like gender equality manager or poitician) why da fuck r dey growing shit?? you can just buy it at the grocery murket!!! dumb idiots!
>>61320444
how bist thee goin o'er there t'yonder house
in general
>appreciate and respect the work they do and their skillset
>treat them like uneducated and uncultivated hillbillies when it comes to culture and politics
I would consider farming, because it's a more self sufficient lifestyle.
>>61320444
Its kind of nice to be able to grow what we need.
Leaves a bit more room in the family budget for the occasional wants.
Having our own means of production also allows us to not care so much what the normies are up to.
>>61325684
I'm central-ist in my political leanings, too much right and too much left equals the same place.
We have no love for the left though in the country, either Labor tells us we're inconsequential and doesn't care, the greens and peta will turn up on my doorstep telling me what to do become some cunt has an arts degree in womens studies and crutching ewes is inhumane. Liberals don't give a fuck but might leave us alone if we're lucky and the Nats sold us down the river in the mid 90s.
Most people will donate money to some drowing muslims in Indonesia (the ones that hate us) before they'll ever throw a bone to someone in their own country doing it hard because of drought or floods.
Yeah, I'm a bit jaded, but I'm also educated enough to know that when the left comes into power too hard, its the farmers that go to the gallows and land made part of the state- usually just after they kill all the intellectuals
>>61334671
idk man found this on Facebook but its pretty true
The small farmers need to give up, and the big farmers need to get fucked. Robotic farming and indoor farming are the future. I hope that someday the world population will be 100% urbanized.
>>61325528
I inherited a farm from my parents and can confirm this to be 100% true.
>>61325684
>I live in Tasmania. Its nice here
7005 here
anyway.
I think we either need all the farmers to quit which will teach everyone to respect the land more (no food + more unemployed = ????)
Or
We need to work towards becoming at least 80% self sufficient.
So no more watermelon farming in NT.
>>61335533
Good luck with that.
>1st world 100% urbanised
>but can't produce enough to feed itself
>>61321111
>>61335533
I hope insect farming becomes a thing.
Grows quickly.
Whole thing is eatable, no need to remove bones etc.
Turns whatever it feeds to protein a lot more efficiently compared to chicken or cattle.
The little shits don't turn loony in dark and cramped space like things with spine.
Cheap protein, only downside being that people currently think they are icky. Personally I don't think grasshoppers are particularly more disgusting than something like lobster.
>>61335969
Its possible m8, we certainly have the capability/technology to do it.
Its tradition and current economic structures that are holding us back more than anything.
>>61321111
You cunts need jesus
>>61320444
>Major Major’s father was a sober God-fearing man whose idea of a good joke was to lie about his age. He was a longlimbed farmer, a God-fearing, freedom-loving, law-abiding rugged individualist who held that federal aid to anyone but farmers was creeping socialism. He advocated thrift and hard work and disapproved of loose women who turned him down. His specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any. The government paid him well for every bushel of alfalfa he did not grow. The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn’t earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce. Major Major’s father worked without rest at not growing alfalfa. On long winter evenings he remained indoors and did not mend harness, and he sprang out of bed at the crack of noon every day just to make certain that the chores would not be done. He invested in land wisely and soon was not growing more alfalfa than any other man in the county. Neighbors sought him out for advice on all subjects, for he had made much money and was therefore wise. “As ye sow, so shall ye reap,” he counseled one and all, and everyone said, “Amen.”
Major Major’s father was an outspoken champion of economy in government, provided it did not interfere with the sacred duty of government to pay farmers as much as they could get for all the alfalfa they produced that no one else wanted or for not producing any alfalfa at all. He was a proud and independent man who was opposed to unemployment insurance and never hesitated to whine, whimper, wheedle and extort for as much as he could get from whomever he could.
>>61339148
I wish there were more books with the humor similar to Catch-22.
>>61325664
Do Korean women not like masculine guys? general question
>>61335533
>Indoor farming
Nigga do you know how expensive it is running lights like that?
No one's gonna buy a $20 head of lettuce
They live off subsidies and always complain about not getting enough subsidies.
>>61320444
farmers in my country are subsidy leeches, they are uneducated, poor, backward reactionaries
germany would be better off without them
Farmers get thoroughly fucked over here, it's nigh impossible to make a proper living off of it anymore because of the massive conglomerates gaining evermore of a monopoly on food.
It also doesn't help that they face huge demographic problems. They essentially have the same fertility rates as elsewhere (i.e. far below replacement level), but with absolutely no immigration (with good reason, since it's categorically impossible to start farming from scratch when even well established farmers are struggling greatly) AND significant emigration from the young people who want actual jobs and more excitement out of life. Basically, rural farming communities are completely and utterly fucked, and frankly it's quite a bit worrying to think that in the foreseeable future our food will be entirely monopolized, though I realize that it's the consumers' fault first and foremost.
I myself have a dream to someday own a farm where I would grow fruits and veggies and maybe a few other things like some chickens, goats, bees and maybe even a fish farm (though to my understanding those can be quite complicated to manage). Not to make significant money or anything, just to be able to live, in fact in this dream life I would only sell the minimum to be able to afford living, for the rest I'd just do subsistance farming, and preferably have a wife and kids. Obviously not a very realistic dream, but it is what it is.
>>61339655
it might get better in the future
I know many places where local farms set up partnerships with supermarkets and supply them directs so they can sell "organic local food" plus a lot more open markets around.
the big threat here in Ontario is not megafarms but housing development
they plow over the richest farmland in the Americas to build more shitty tinderboxes to shove pakis and white snobs into
>>61339459
That's why we must invest in fusion energy!
In the future we will have skyscraper greenhouses with solar collecting panels throughout the building and fusion energy to provide energy during off hours.
Or at least I can dream of that.
>>61339655
>Canada
>fruits
Cherries and berries you mean.
>>61340198
and peaches and apples and pears and plums
>>61340134
Fusion is way far off.
It's because essentially 1 reactor = 1 experiment, and a reactor takes about a decade to build.
The fusion pipeline is literally
>Spend 10 years building reactor
>Run it a few times
>Take data
>Use data to design next reactor
>Spend 10 years building reactor
We should be investing in safer nuclear. Reactors that run at ambient pressure without gaseous reagents. Especially small scale reactors, the kind that could be operated by a single person and provide power for a localized area.
>>61340134
>fusion energy!
Nah man. That is wrong way.
To much expensive.
Better invest in Thorium reactors, thor is literally in beach sand and it not giving radioactive pollutions.
>>61320444
Almost everyone grows something, even the city folk own small plots of lands outside the cities. Although I would say they feel better than the farming folk. I live on what you could call a farm but it's just for our own consumption, not a source of profit.
>>61340334
I was writing a master engineer thesis about reactors and I think liquid fluoride thorium reactors are close future.
+they are complitly safe, there is no water (water steam was blowing reactors in chernobyl and fukushima)
+lower costs of building
+they are 10x smaller than normal reactors in that same power production
+you can't make nuke from wastes. USA was working on this reactors 50y ago but US. goverm. cut cash and stop the researching that tech because it don't produce plutonium for nukes, just energy.
+now china building 2 reactors of that type they will be ready in 2017.
+this type of reactor consuming 99% of fluel, not 1% like current reactors. because they self replicating the fluel.
>>61340336
Fusion generates hardly any radioactive pollution, and it is not expensive to produce it once you have the technology (and hydrogen is far more abundant than anything else in universe)
>>61340334
Fission energy doesn't really scale down too well, because the amount of energy it releases is massive, it's easier to go up.
But investing in fission is a way to invest in fusion as well, as both are nuclear energy.
>>61340336
>thor is literally in beach sand and it not giving radioactive pollutions
You bought into the hype bruh.
If we're gonna get thorium, we're not gonna waste time trying to purify it out of sand, we'll just have those Australians dig up their nodules from under the ocean.
And thorium reactors do produce a variety of radioactive waste.
Thorium by itself isn't fissile. You have to bombard it with neutrons to make it into U-233. The thorium reactor cycle is really a U-233 cycle. U-233 produces U-232 as a side product, which has a half life of like 160,000 years.
It also produces side products we see in the U-235 reactors, like Tc-99, I-129 and Pa-231.
>>61340613
US never made a full scale thorium reactor, only lab scale prototypes.
No one has figured out how to make a commercially viable thorium reactor.
All nuclear reactors rely on taxpayer subsidy, but thorium reactors cost an order of magnitude more.
flyover state here
they're fat rednecks who hire undocumented Mexicans for below minimum wage
Probably looked down upoon since it's actually not profitable to be a farmer in Sweden.
>>61320444
I grew up spending most of my time and helping in my grandparents' farm in south south patagonia, they have orchids with all kinds of fruits and veggies, also cows, bulls, pigs, goats, chickens, horses (we don't eat those), sheep and lambs and other stuff.
I never got used to killing pigs to make black pudding, chorizos and other stuff though you have tu cut their neck to make the black pudding thing and they suffer a lot, you can even seem their blook letting out hot steam.
My uncles keep telling me to man the fuck up.
>>61340964
see their blood*
>>61340964
It's okay, Argie-san. You have a good heart ;-;
>>61335533
>100%
No.
Some enclaves where people choose to live rurally out of conviction should be left.
Be it weirdos who wanna have minisocietys, romanticists or the exccentric rich who want to lord over the wilderness in their private estate.
They are rednecks and they are viewed correspondingly.
No, never. I am city-raised, however I lived in a "town" ("""city""" of 5 km lenght surrounded by endless fields of vegetables) when I was a teen, and I fucking hated it.
>>61340657
Only on start you need U-233 or U-235, later reaction is self replicating from thorium, so you just adding fluel (Th).
Right now corporations gain many $$$ from enriching uranium. So they will lost many $ if countries will build thorium reactors.
Also this type of reactor don't need resourceful anti radiation systems and "shields". If something will go wrong they can just flush it into pool and reaction will stop.
>>61340766
The biggest minus of this types of reactors is that we don't know well that type of technology because for last 70years we focusing and upgrading only LWR/PWR reactors. Research of liquid thorium reactors was stopped in cold war. Because you needed more nukes... and that kind of reactor was useless for military.
>>61340652
>Fusion generates hardly any radioactive pollution, and it is not expensive to produce it once you have the technology (and hydrogen is far more abundant than anything else in universe)
Yeah, but right now this kind of reactors damaging very fast... and they generate less energy than they produce. And building that kind of reactor is resourcefull and take many years
>>61320444
stingy
also the biggest complainers
>>61339525
>subsidy leech
Yep, except for the ones that have a niche like special biomeat for hipsters/keeping a rare breed alife from extinction the profession has become a drain and should be abolished/rationalised wherever it lacks purpose or cannot keep itself alife.
>uneducated
Lolno
They need to sustain a business and know about finances, maintain automatisized farmequipment or must know about all the high standarts concerning lifestock farming.
Also, we all have interent acess today.
Calling them uneducated in relation to the general populance-suburb dwellers included-is ignorant.
>reactionary
Well, they work hard and due to shared family property they are dependent on lag behind the citydwellers in such things not out of backwardness but out of necessity.
Le progressive farmer cant be a thing, because entertaining a patch of land over many generations is not possible with the workfluid attitude of the modern metrosexual.
Also I doubt they are more rightwinged then your average suburbturk.
The refugess will also boost reactionary viewpoints massivly if they stay, peasants should be the least of your worrys.
>>61341193
Remember about farmers when you go to the store.
>>61341971
I am very thankful they exist, but I don't really want to be around them, you know?
>>61341759
> refugess will also boost reactionary viewpoints massivly if they stay, peasants should be the least of your worrys.
dont get me wrong here, I am against refugees, because they are the most backward people of the entire fucking earth,
>>61342277
>dont get me wrong here, I am against refugees
Shieeet, 4chan is like parallel reality.
>>61339108
I don't want to fuck Jesus though.
Pretty well respected, most farmers here are rich as fuck
>>61335533
>I hope that someday the world population will be 100% urbanized.
I'm kind of a hobby farmer, I have 2 horses and 10 cows on 53 acres.
>>61320444
We have a 'race' of farmers called "boers".
Seen as stubborn, racist but hard working, conservative and friendly people.
They are the backbone of the country but are being murdered in their homes en masse and gov isnt doing shit about it
Farming is pretty well respected, but to be a farmer you'd have to live somewhere lame. So I would never be a farmer.
>>61320444
they cant really make money because most of the commercial farming is done in California, with legislation to give them preferential treatment with food production.
Fortunately for the rest they are having water problems. they decided to make metropolises in the desert, what did they think.
Farmers are OK, but indigenous are the fucking problem, they keep stealing lands in the south.
My grandfather used to produce sugar, liquor and coffee in 400 hectares of rich soil, indigenous came in and my family lost their land.
As a last resort my grandpa and some farmers paid a dozen of millions to the government in order to get soldiers involve, they managed to kill a shit ton of them. But sadly they came back and if it weren't for my uncle's rifle they would've raped and killed all my family.
>>61345522
Tragic, really.
>>61345522
>"Shoot the boers, they are rapists"
Apparently when the president of a country encourages his voter base to do something, they do it. Who'd a thunk it. Fucking disgusting and Zimbabwe-tier.
