How are relation between those 2 countries ?
>>61263844
Pretty Bad
>>61263885
why ?
>>61263947
We hate them and they hate us.
L'Afrique commence aux Pyrenées
a french guy told me they say "africa starts at the pyrinees"
>>61264114
This
They are so bad there is a buffer state between them, which is governed by them both
Because áfrica starts at pyrenees
Idk about their relations, but I love both countries. They both have unique and interesting cultures, and god-tier languages. My two favourite countries by far.
>France hates Britain
>France hates Germany
>France hates Spain
Main villain of Europe confirmed.
>>61264208
What are your european origins if you are white ?
>>61264299
I am white, and my ancestry is Italian and Ukrainian.
África empieza en los pirineos
>>61264208
same boi. I find Catalonia to be a nice blend of the two even though technically very incorrect but whatever.
>>61264322
And you don't prefer Italie over Spain or France ?
>>61264392
Italy is great, do not get me wrong, but my ancestors came from there so long ago that I have no real connection to it. I am more interested in the modern cultures of Spain and France.
>>61264295
France hates the villains, France is freedom, equality, fraternity.
The eternal Anglo is imperialism, and jewry
The kraut stands for the destruction of Europe.
Spain, which was once virtue, is now debauchery
>>61264464
>modern culture
>>61263844
Putos Gabachos, t b h
>>61264295
Even France is hated, here
>>61264295
Everybody hates us too anyway, so it's no big deal. Even French hate French.
>>61264903
I like France :)
De Despeñaperros pabajo, todos moros.
Y de los Pirineos para arriba también.
>>61265050
muchacho muchacho à toi aussi.
franco-iberia quand?
> Disneyland
>>61263844
One of these two countries is better to invest and spend money in, has less taxes, a better weather and friendlier girls, and doesn't have a superiority complex, despite its glorious history. Of course they don't get along.
>>61263844
They are so good that great Spanish painters have gone to France to get famous (Picasso, Dali).
Also, France nicely lets Spain keep some of its stuff at their house! (Llivia).
Spain and France best buddies for life! <3
>>61264944
Napoleon was Italian though..
>>61267225
No. He was Corsican if you must use his birth to decide his identity, but he later identified purely as French after he was exiled from Corsica.
>>61264295
Britain and france have a love hate relationship, we have our arguments and banter but we've been through some shit together and our cultures are very much influenced by one another
>>61263844
Almost inexistant.
>>61264103
We don't give a fuck about Spain.
>>61263844
On /int/ theu hate us for some unknown reason
In real life it goes fromnot giving a shit to liking them, there are a lot of Spanish and cultural ties with Spain where I live
loud
rude
only keep to themselves like asians
I never understood why they were separate countries.
>>61270820
Because the Pyrenees are a perfect natural border and it would trigger my autism to not use it as such
All you need to know is
Fr > Esp
>>61270820
Really? REALLY?
Spain is the country in which most French people go to Holliday especially Catalonia.
>>61263844
I live a 5 minute walk away from the French border.
AMA
>>61263844
one is a country that forced muslims out of their territory the other one is France.
>>61270958
Do you speak Occitan ?
>>61270820
a fucking leaf it is again
>>61270967
Yes, Aranese.
>>61270964
You inverted the names, lad
>>61270871
In what language is this map ?
>>61264114
I never heard that expression except on /int/.
>>61263844
Personally, I don't have any problem with France. Catalonians hate frenchis, the rest of the country don't give a fuck France
>>61270979
>Tfw it's doesn't have an official language status here
>>61267253
Why was he exiled?
>>61271037
How do Catalonians look like?
>>61271007
I'd say polish
>>61271007
Polish for the bigger names it seems
>>61271058
Balls too big, the island was sinking
>>61271069
We are all Iberians if we talk about race. They look like the rest of spaniards or Iberians.
>>61271069
>>61271124
So it's more of a language group?
>>61271058
He chimped out
>>61271072
>>61271085
Thanks frenchbros, it was just weird how they alternated between polish and french/spanish
>>61271037
Reminder that no one gives a fuck about what those Pollacks in Catalonia think.
>>61271152
They have their own culture as the rest of Spanish regions but they aren't another race. Spain is pretty diverse in culture and by region the culture change and is totally different.
>>61271209
You're always shitposting agaisnt frenchis for "MUH PERPIGNAN" in 4chan.
Where does Africa begin again?
>>61271286
Once you cross the south of the Pyrenees
>>61271297
this is hilarious specially when it probably comes from a guy named mohammad
>>61271177
Originaly it was a map I took from wikipedia but I wanted it bigger so I looked for other sizes and for some reason the best ones were on the Polish wiki
>>61271346
>The truth is hilarious
Classic Pedro
>>61271069
catalonia isnt """white""", except for that tiny occitan part the faggot namefag in this thread is from, they're basically frenchy gavatxx in disguise no one trusts those inbred CUNTS.
Also
fuck you louis you name fagging cunt
>>61271286
In Paris
so why didnt span want to be part of the CAROLINGIEN MARCHE
>>61271445
Back to /lat/, your autism is showing jorge.
I like their swarthy, hairy women.
The guys are chills.
Overall bretty good/10
>>61271445
JORGE Y SU NENITA POST PUNK
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAJ
>>61271604
what is origin and background of this top quality picture? very enjoyable.
>>61271346
no.
please stop with the memes.
>>61271152
Catalonians are more French than Spanish. (Well, Catalonians are actually Occitan, and Occitan was always considered to be a Frankish place before the faggots in Paris banned its existence.)
>>61271708
Mel Gibson had to let it rip on some paparazzi.
>>61263844
Spain EF2000 made a nice show in the Avor Meeting
>>61271805
>Catalonians are more French than Spanish
please don't participate if you're going to spout bullshit.
>>61271805
>Occitania
It was never a "place". The term itself is a relatively recent invention meant to designate a language family area, as in "langue d'Oc" vs "langue d'Oïl"(tongue of Oc/ tongue of Oïl, both terms in opposition meaning "yes", Oïl being from northern France, Oc being from southern), from which the language name "Occitan" was derived.
It's pretty much a linguist's invention.
>>61271969
>The term itself is a relatively recent invention
it was literally invented by dante you parisienne fuckstain
>>61271992
>let me tell you about your country
>>61271969
Catalan is undeniably a "langue d'Oc", and as you rightly said -- "langue d'Oc" was always considered a southern French thing, not a northern Spanish thing.
>>61272019
you mean the country you forcibly defined in the recent centuries while everyone else recognized the difference between le francois and le provensal?
>>61271992
Dante used the term "lingua d'oc", but the idea of Occitania is older than that, and didn't come from a singular person.
>>61271992
>Dante
>An Italian guy who never lived there
>he invented a country
You're proving my point you idiot. "Occitania" is a term designating a language area.
And your New-Worlder bias is showing. An entire "country" that gets its first mention in early 14th century in Europe should tell you something about it existing as its own entity.
>>61271884
I have since gone on research, thank you, filet americain.
If you guys want I can add many cool 'smoking Mels' to this topic. I'll start right away. Bienvenuedo.
ps feel free to use them
Fumer Mel est tres belle
>>61272142
No, I know, Charlegmane himself designated the kingdom of Aquitaine as a separate entity
>>61272158
No, but he gave credence to a separate polito-social entity which was only brought to heel with the Albigensian Crusades and furthermore with the language edicts of 17th-18th century France.
>>61272158
Your king Philip IV (I think?) called occitania and France two different nations
And it's not relatively recent, before the XIIIth century the southern part of modern France wasn't under the Parisienne crown if not only nominally
>>61272353
>And it's not relatively recent, before the XIIIth century the southern part of modern France wasn't under the Parisienne crown if not only nominally
Please, if you're going to spout shit like this, put it in context. You make it sound like southern France was its own special case.
Take a look at this map: that tiny blue area? It's the Royal territory.
Honestly, there's just a big sense of indifference between Spain and France. There's some occasional banter between us but that's it. They're good neighbors and have a nice language I'd love to learn.
>>61272470
Well maybe I expressed myself in a wrong way, but it's not what I was implying, chill out
>>61264295
The only nearby countries we actually like are Italy.
We don't hate others but nobody gives a single fuck about them.
>>61272470
It was famalam, the Duchy of Aqutaine barely paired lipservice to the limp=ass Capetien kings, and Southern France paid homage to England for almost a century. Like I said, the Albegensian Crusades were waged solely so the Francien monarches could impose their will on the South.
>>61270964
>one is a country that forced muslims out of their territory
lel it only took 800 years
>>61263844
We have relations with Uk, Belgium, Switzerland (especially our richs) and Germany but not with Spain and Italy.
>>61263844
Most irrelevant neighboor, nobody really think anything of it. It's ok for cheap vacations though.
>>61266734
There othere one's Spain.
>>61267323
Thing is, we kinda forged the world as it is together, so we can never really go full hate on one another anymore.
I do however question your wisdom in your latest decision, but time will tell.
>>61263844
Most people think fondly of Spain because it is a nice place to go on holidays.
As ever, when it comes to Spanish people, we tend to be more divided as we perceive them to be very loud, sometimes obnoxiously festive people (which also mean they are god tier party buddies) and somehow lazier than us. The opposite is true, Spanish people love visiting our country but not all of them like us.
Overall we have good relations when it comes to tourism, less so when it comes to politics, and French women absolutely dig Spain and Spanish people because it's beach paradise.
>>61271805
>t. i dont know a shit about history but that doesnt prevent me for spitting out my retardeness
catalonia as a historical entity is a fucking modern invention
>>61275113
> catalonia as a historical entity is a fucking modern invention
Yes. And? What's called 'Catalonia' today has always been part of Occitania, and the concept of Occitania dates to before Charlemagne.
>>61271805
You know that Frankish only exists in Germany and the low "countries"?
>>61275259
facts?
about occitania
or are you gonna paste some text about marca hispanica. where along with some parts of with aragon and navarre an a third of the actual territory of cataluña made some forntier against moors
why not start counting history before with visigoths or romans; or after with the crown of aragon
>>61275492
we dont have a single moment in history when that region was a single state.
not to mention that most of current catalans are the sons or grandsons of swarthy andalusians or extremeños that came there during Franco period
>>61270871
>condom
LA VERGONHA VENIRAI PAR VOSAUTRAS TANBEN, FRANCIMANDES ET ESPANIOLES FILHS DE PUTA
>>61275798
>The most Patriotic region in Spain is Catalonian-Speaking.
>People doesnt Know that Valencia exits.
Kek.
>>61263844
Plenty of memes, as per usual in /int/.
Answering your question, I think the best way to put it would be; Historical.
France and Spain are two of the oldest countries in Europe and their relationships have been intertwined and effected the history of Europe as well for a long time. Political, cultural, intellectual, diplomatical, economical relations between have been very strong throughout history, sometimes translating in the sense of rivalry and conflict, sometimes in the sense of friendship and cooperation.
Nowdays it's like those 2 lads that have known each other for so fucking long that the best way to put it would be ; mature.
A mature relationship that has been particularly intense at all levels as a result of the integration in the European project, some of which results are a big cultural interchange (most french are interested in spanish culture and language, french culture like food and movies get a bigger echo in Spanish society), commerce and infrastructures (there is large degree of transportation and energy interchange, with Spain connected f.i to the French electric network and consumming French produced electricity at peak demand moments f.i), political obviously as both countries work together (f.i for security in the Med and the Sahel against the Boko Haram lads) and etc etc.
Well, nobody is gonna read this but fuck, I'm tired of memes and mongrelism, so there goes my wall of serious text.
>>61263844
Andorra is a great neighbor
>>61276687
agreed with you
>>61275683
Fugg someone noticed
By the way the signalisation with the name of the city get stolen several times every year
France is the best country in Europe, all the other countries of Europe hate them. Is very simple.
>>61276972
This guy clearly knows his shit
Man, fuck the Kingdom of Aragon, battle of Muret, best day of my life
>>61277330
Delete this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlGO9IRJeqg
I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT FRANCE. ONLY I HOPE WE BUILD A FUCKING WALL IN THE PIRENEES TO STOP THE HORDES OF MUSLIMS OF FRANCE
>>61276646
this
relations between our two countries are perfectly cordial, professional and sensible and nothing bad goes on there
relations between our two people, they're mostly fine i guess idk
>>61276972
>costa rica
French don't hate spanish
but spanish are bitter about they call us gabachos
>>61277825
>Reino de España
>>61277712
You already have morrocans, and your country doesn't attract immigration anyway
We dan't have any problem with each other. Spaniards on /int/ hate us for some reason but otherwise we're alright.
Also, for Southern French people, see pic related
>>61278282
>france wining a battle
delete this shit.
>>61278342
Why so much hate Jaime, we're your bros, we jsut like to make some pranks
>>61278407
>posting a photo for a war they lose against a bunch of spaniards farmers
kek. memes never die.
>>61278455
>Complaining about memes when you just memed about "hurr France can't into war" before
You aren't very bright, are you
In my country France has a bad reputation. And Spain too, so to say. Not really bad, but we see spaniards as the most ssimilar to us in Europe, so they are beasts like us (and my short experience with them confirms it, but I honestly like them).
About France, the few of you I know are a little weird.
PS: I'm italian.
>>61278455
It was just an example of one of our pranks, but have this instead if you want.
>>61278531
Italians are okay really, nobody hates them except for football. Funnily, in France, most of the stereotypes about the French foreigners have (romantic, smelly...) are stereotypes we have about Italians.
>>61278644
forgot pic
meh, I know a lot of frenchs, they are my bros, it's maybe because everyone in this world is my bro.
Hate between countries is just ignorance.
>>61278644
In all honesty, I don't get how any country in the world without bidet can exist. I know there are other ways around it, but damn, nothing even comes close for comfort and hygiene. Here in krautland I'm forced to was my ass in the sink.
>>61278676
>always posting the same battle of rocroi.
>not posting the 32323434345345 battles twich the tercios fuck the french asses without problem
nice job france, you win a battle in 150 years of wars against us.
>>61278774
>Waaaah why don't you post battles you lost
Fuck I wonder why thanks for the tip
>>61278822
>3000:1 KDR
>>61271969
>Occitan
It is spoken also in north west Italy, Piedmont and Valle D'Aosta
>>61278997
>Being so mad you ressort to posting battles where it's clearly written Swiss died
ah yes very interesting
>>61264903
Damn French, they ruined France!
>>61279622
Better there's even a white flag
>>61279622
imagine making the king of france lick your boots
>>61264103
just quit talking so fucking loud and we'll be good m9
Frogs from the south actually really like Spain, Portugal and Italy from my experience... When you had to choose a second langage to study at school, everybody including the sexy girls chose spanish, the nerds chose german, and nobody chose italian.
I think southern frogs and spanish people are really similar, but for some reason the main medias like to antagonize us, with the Nadal-is-drugged thing for example, while he probably is the most gentleman player in tennis.
>>61279869
Meanwhile the King of Aragon got killed by a French while crying "I am the King" right there >>61278282
>>61264151
That's right, just see how many niggers and north africans are in France.
>>61280046
as a castillian, i dont give a fuck about aragonese before the marriage of the catholic kings, they are not my nation so try harder pierre
>>61280046
Catalans are pathetic m8.No one should be proud of defeating them,they have lost every civil war that they have been in.
>The eternal Spani*rd in charge of not revealing his inferiority complex
>>61266734
I think you nailed it quite right, even if your thoughts on France are a bit biaised according to me, but given our common history I forgive you :)
>>61280191
>>61280195
>M-Muh region
Like clockwork
Muh heritage American-tier
>>61270967
>speaking occitan
which one of the 20 versions?
>>61279534
We french sure are a contentious people.
>>61279869
>mfw a Bourbon still sits on the Spanish throne
Talk about irony
>>61280311
I'm pretty sure if an anon calls himself "Val d'Aran" there's no need to ask him which one he speaks
>>61263844
What happens in that white spot between those countries?
>>61280383
Casinos and money laundering
>>61280349
and he can claim the French throne if he wants, talk about irony.
>>61279163
there are shitloads of variations of "occitan", it's just a general designation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubGjasm63Y0
>>61280418
If he can, I can too.
>>61280383
cheap tobacco and snow sports
>>61280383
cheap cigarettes
>>61280418
No he can't actually. This branch eternally renounced that claim, that was even part of the conditions for gaining the throne of Spain.
>>61280383
Extremely cheap booze and tobacco, mosly
>>61271009
Me neither, but who talks like that anyway ? Must be a troll thing
>>61280418
his branch renunced the french crown forever when taking the spanish crown, so no
>>61280383
cheap untaxed alcohol, tobacco and electronic devices
>>61280383
Nothing interesting. Our President is co-Prince of this place, funnily.
thanks for the flag btw
>>61280502
i think he refers to the other spaniard guy: louis d france
>>61280296
>Posts a battle of a region of Spain
>Then bitches about regionalism
>>61280349
And your president is Spaniard we were meant for each other m8
>>61280484
>>61271009
It's a quote of Albert Camus apparently
It was also said to be from Alexandre Dumas but according to google that's not true
Why are the Spanish obssessed with living in apartments buildings instead of houses?
>>61280848
>Hollande
>Spaniard
Nope
>>61280848
he is not spaniards, their parents were a fucking commies and traitors.
all spaniards diaspora in france are scumbags.
>>61280848
Valls is Catalan
and a world-class cunt
>>61280964
spaniard*
>>61276646
No I read and agreed with it, thanks for your contribution
>>61280848
Hollande is a native french you retard.
And Valls is half swiss half catalan.
>>61280865
Thanks ! I found the source, in the "revue littéraire oranaise "Simoun" from 1959". Funny how it was reused by 4chan, talk about getting a quote out of context :)
http://emmanuelrobles.online.fr/ilsontdit/ilsontdit.html
>>61267225
>>61267253
He was neither of those. He was Tuscan.
>>61281857
>Cette oeuvre aujourd'hui, s'est imposée à la France où elle nous représente, algériens de toutes races (car la fameuse communauté algérienne, il y a vingt ans que nous autres écrivains algériens, arabes et français, l'avons créée, jour après jour, entre nous)
You see arabs this is how you assimilate to a country
Fucking Albert Camus managed to convince himself he was actually an Algerian, SOMEHOW
Why can't you ?
The thread is nothing but memes and dick measuring contests. Meh.
>>61271805
Do your parents receive money from the government for your retardation?
>>61282087
Camus était une gauchiasse. Il reniait l'identité française et se décrivait comme "méditerranéen" avant tout par ailleurs.
Il a niqué la carrière de pas mal de journaliste parce qu'ils le critiquaient et aurait eu des problèmes avec l'alcool et le tabac toute sa vie.
Ce mec est vraiment pas un exemple.
>>61282087
Are you serious ? Damn is 4chan that racist... I live with an algerian descent girl and she and her family are frenchier than the french, grow up
>>61263844
they don't like us apparently. they hate our centralism, they hate that we attack their trucks full of cheap fruits picked up by african illegals. We only hate their sportmen
>>61282335
>I live with an algerian descent girl and she and her family are frenchier than the french, grow up
wait i thought anecdotal evidence was worthless
like if i know arabs that aren't at all assimilated and hate france it doesn't mean anything and i should go find another argument
but if you know arabs that are assimilated apparently it means all arabs are like this ? get out with that
>>61282175
It wasn't till you fellow countrymen lost it again
>>61282175
Some replies are better than others, but sadly you're right. I'm dying to know a forum as busy as 4chan which would have more serious, meme-free answers
>>61278455
>>61278342
>>61280964
Spaniards (and Portuguese) are fucking leftist commies btw.
>>61263844
Meh. People just love to insult other people.
>>61282335
>HUUUUUUUUR 4CHAN IS RAAAAAAAAAACIST
>>61282523
Pour se battre, il faut être deux.
>>61282335
>HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR THEY'RE ALGERIAN AND THEY'RE FRENCHIER THAN FRENCH DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR
>>61282466
I agree it is only is my experience. It's hard to get the big picture anyway and of course I am biaised, but I seriously think most of "them" are kinda frogs now, of course they won't all sing Pierre Bachelet and stuff but if you remove the drug-dealing part the big majority is quite fine.
>>61282335
dont listen to them, i also know a lot of arabs and they are all celebrating christmas and drink alcohol with us. They are normal people and eventually alphas tier
>>61263844
spain is the bottom
>>61283268
They're not French, they're just Frenchified Arabs.
>>61280848
prime ministers in france have no power, they're the slaves of the president
>>61283434
And presidents are slaves of American/German leaders.
>>61281857
>Reused by 4chan
Fucking uneducated fuck, this expression is very known.
>>61283268
>the big majority
how can you even know such a thing ?
do we even have (honest) polls like "how assimilated are you?"
because i don't know how you'd see that, it depends how rich they are, how many white people are around them, where they live, what's their job etc
if i had to judge by my experience i'd say like 50/50 are ok/not ok
>>61283459
and american/german leaders are the slaves of the merchants
>>61279952
you can be roided and a gentleman at the same time, though, those 2 are not mutualy exclusive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pce5q6-JyMU
>>61279952
lol those who learnt spanish were the lazy students as it is easier to learn
Back in the past we used to hatefuck eachother once in a while.
Nowadays we are just tsundere
>>61283576
and the merchant are the slaves of the ayyy lmaos
>>61278644
That's because there's not much of a cultural difference between northern and central Italians and French as much as you faggots like to deny it. We're both fashionable, use expensive colognes and shit, are cultured, slightly arrogant, have languages that are very lexically similar, have industries that are very famous worldwide, similar cuisine (don't let the butthurt terroni meme you about this, cuisine from places like Emilia-Romagna, Tuscany, Liguria, Piemonte, Veneto, etc is great) the level of development in northern and central Italy is the same as most of France, etc. You're definitely closer to us than the Germans like some retarded northerners like to think. Anything below Rome is alien as fuck to that and worse than Greece though, so please be aware of the regional differences. We still like to cling to the culture of the city-states for the most part.
I'm talking about ethnic French of course. That's probably not the case for a really huge percentage of your country since you have so many nigger and mudslime immigrants.
>>61263844
>>61264114
>>61264374
We Catalans might seem "in between" because of Castillian invasion. If it weren't for that, we would just be southern french, with no blend at all. All those flamenco shows and shit like that that you can see in Barcelona are not Catalan things AT ALL.
Our relationship with France, is, well... funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHNfzbKOKoE
>>61284043
>You're definitely closer to us than the Germans like some retarded northerners like to think
You don't understand France is a big country and our neighbors are literally the most relevant country in europe, so north east is influenced as fuck with germany, north west with england, south west with spain and south east of course with you brorital, but if you travel to north of France and believe it's northern Italy tier you're wrong
>>61284280
But the core of French culture is still similar to Italian (from the north and center) for the most part. That's undeniable.
>>61284043
that's kind of true actually
quite a few time i heard people talk about what happens in italy like berlusconi and say "welp they're exactly like us : fucking awful"
maybe that's why we don't associate with you :
looking at italy is like looking in a mirror and not liking what you see
and then you don't want to look into the mirror anymore
>>61284696
As a country we're indeed shit, but it's your fault for conspiring with the Savoy bastards to unify us.
Pay reparations pls.
>>61283049
t.President Blum
>>61283049
agreed with you gabakek
>>61284320
I live in the center of France and no.
Being from a place relatively close to the French border (La Rioja), I can say that on a personal level we usually get on with eachother quite well.
I usually attend to some festivals in SW French towns (Libourne, Mont de Marsan, Dax...) and I find such festivals surprisingly similar with my hometown's. If it wasn't for the fact that they speak French, I'd feel more "at home" there than in, say, Seville or Valencia.
>>61289349
Truth Spoken. Same here for Catalans.
In the past there were some animosities tho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHNfzbKOKoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHyU9Ut2ea8 (in spanish)
>>61284320
They cant decide if they are franks or gauls...or romans.
Ask avenetian, a south tirolan and a sicillian how much they share.
>>61276849
should make them in concrete
>>61284280
South West of France felt pretty different from Spain
>>61292493
I'm from the south west of France and I agree.
>>61292493
I also agree. There are way too many muslims in Southern France
>>61264295
We don't really hate Germany actually. Probably the only neighbor with a positive public opinion here. Most of Germany animosity come from ignorant fucks constantly linking European Union with Germany.
>>61297366
France is in pretty bad shape. They even ended up with some Moorish prostitute ruling Paris.
>>61297674
yes, outside of them not giving us alsace-lothringa we get along relatively well.
>>61297699
You Dutch people keep being arseholes to us...
