>Southern Europeans stop working in the middle of the day and go to sleep for a couple of hours
>later they complain they aren't as rich as the rest of Europe
Why do you guys do this? inb4 'muh heat', they had invented air conditioning like 50 years ago. You all know damned well each year you're going to have serious issues with the temperature, so why not invest money in air conditioners everywhere?
You don't hear Nordics complain about the snow and freeze, because they had rubbed two braincells together and stocked up on shit decades beforehand, so they are well prepared.
>>61260884
What's wrong with working to live instead of living to work ?
>>61260884
suck a dick, faglord
>>61260884
Only Spanish people do that.
>>61260884
How? Dont lie you fucking colony
>>61261023
>>61260989
This. Portugal is a fucking colony
>>61260952
Those "people" live in cloudy shitholes, so even if they wanted they couldn't "work to live", as you put it. The only thing they can do is complain about it on a nepalese stamp collecting forum.
but ex-yug are hardest working people in Europe.
>>61260884
Muh heat though
>>61260952
>la French work ethic
How many cars have you set on fire this week Francois? 2? 3? And how many cops have you sent to the hospital?
>not that i'm complaining, you're doing God's work sticking it to the Man
>honestly, I'm genuinely impressed
>>61261128
You placed some kind of shady dot in France almost exactly where I live, w-what do you want exactly
>>61260952
Nothing wrong with it as long as you aren't bitching about being poorer because of it.
>>61260975
>t.unemployed
>>61260989
true, they must have their siesta kek
>>61260884
>waah how dare you live comfy lives
>>61261023
>>61261062
I wish we were your colony. Everything that was wrong we could simply blame it all on the central government in Madrid and we most likely have an ETA like organization wreaking havoc.
*sigh*
>>61260884
Greece has the longest working hours in the EU
>>61260884
Shut up stupid gypsi you import your scum to Spain
>>61260884
FTFY OP :^)
>>61261396
self reported*
>>61261396
>greek "working" hours
>>61261448
I just said that Portuguese people don't sleep "la siesta".
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>>61261500
Easier to spout memes about "work efficiency" than to give a serious answer to what he said.
this >>61261102 man knows what's up
>southern europe
>slavshits and turks included
triggered.
>>61261430
>Shut up stupid gypsi you import your scum to Spain
May I redirect your hatred towards Romania, world first in exporting gypsies all across Europe
>>61261595
If they actually did work the hours they claimed they do, and their efficiency is worth something, their country wouldn't be in the shit it is in today.
>>61261668
heh, not bad
point still holds though
>>61261726
Well I answered the OP, so all that I had left was shitposting
>>61261580
Dans la baie de saint brieuc, mais c'est à 20km de son point à peine.
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>>61260884
>Southern Europeans stop working in the middle of the day and go to sleep for a couple of hours
That's literally not true.
Kill yourself fagtron.
>pic related.
>>61261795
J'y suis allé en vacances, très belle région pêh.
>>61261144
The Italians also did road and rail building everywhere like the Irish.
And this is just OP hearing of Max Weber for the first time.
>>61261680
As much as I hate lazy assholes who blame everything on others, I hate German slanderers who would brand a whole country "lazy" as propaganda despite stats showing otherwise even more. I'm not denying there are Greeks who are lazy or blame others for their troubles, but ignoring all the evidence isn't a good argument.
The reason Greece is poor and will be for the foreseeable future is because it doesn't produce or export ANYTHING of note. Its industry has been strained since WW2 when it was wholesale destroyed and a bunch of other internal conflicts after that. When your industry isn't producing anything and tourism is your best source of income, you know your country is failing. That's not the people's fault.
>>61260989
>what is Alentejo
>>61261854
A l'année c'est vraiment calme, trop calme. J'habite dans une ville de 4000 habitants l'année, 20 000 l'été, la moitié des maisons sont inhabitées les 3/4 du temps.
>>61260884
This is something that baffled my mind when I went to Spain. Everyone just stopped working and went home. It's fucking bizarre.
>>61261884
>The reason Greece is poor and will be for the foreseeable future is because it doesn't produce or export ANYTHING of note.
Absolutely agreed. However you don't think that this might be the result of low productivity?
Honestly think about it: if all of Greece actually made the longest hours in Europe and worked as hard as a German, wouldn't they at least have a comparable economy? With so many hard and long working people and access to Europe you should have some sort of production economy going for yourself after a while.
It's really annoying. I studied in Spain last year and the majoirity of shops would close between 4-8 or so. I used to walk into a restaurant and sit down just to be told the kitchen wasn't open until 8:30 or 9 pm.
Inb4 Amerifat couldn't get his food
>>61261999
I think that's something cultural as well. Mediteranian countries have dinner served VERY late, well after 9 is normal I think.
Op, you didn't actually believe that "documentary" from the fatass american right?
>>61260884
Mediterranean work ethic is best.
Work is good, but not when it is amoral and alienating office work.
>>61262061
Northern italy here, old people eat between 6 30/7 30 while normal people between 7 30 8 30. Eating after 9 pm is not normal, but not that strange either i guess.
>>61261955
No. Think it like this: 1 tractor works equally as 10 men. 8 hours becomes easily more efficent than 80 hours. Also they spend too much.
>>61262061
it's something that only spanish do tho
>>61262188
>Northern italy
I think you belong together with France, I was more referring to Spain, Greece and southern-Italy.
You have to understand though that in the Netherlands it's not uncommon to have dinner at 17:30, or even 17:00 for some hopeless cases.
>>61262061
I lived with a Spanish family and we'd usually eat around 9:30-10. It definitely is cultural, but regardless, I'm sure some money is lost by being closed for 5 or 6 hours in the middle of the day.
>>61262309
I don't see the point of eating dinner so late. I don't want to start memeing but don't they have work the next day? And aren't they hungry after a day of work?
>>61260884
Southern Europe knows nothing about heat. Come to Arizona or the deep south.
>>61261955
I believe it's more complicated than that. The data might be skewed, but the question to ask is whether that would make a difference. Even if they are the hardest working people in Europe, the country has no direction. The governments are corrupt as fuck, and even if they wanted to do something, the austerity measures make sure the economy will never take a breath again. And now they're out of choices when it comes to politics. Nothing they can do.
Point is, when the industry is nonexistent, the productivity of the people, whether the highest or lowest in Europe, does not go towards contributing to the economy. When Germans have functioning industry that is highly automated, the efforts of the people are not wasted. But, even if the Greeks have to work twice as much to get the same end result, they don't produce anything... they just work to make ends meet, to survive, to sort through the bureaucracy. There's no end goal to their work. That's what it means to have a dead industry, which is also the reason for the worker and brain drain going on at the moment from Greece to other countries. Austerity kills any hope of the people's work contributing to anything.
>>61261239
Breizh !
I love Breton folk music.
>>61262061
>mfw it's almost 3am and I'm having dinner
>>61262387
Lunches tended to be huge, and usually eaten around 3-3:30, so the wait between meal times wasn't drastic, but I can't speak for all families. I lived with a retired couple, so they'd stay up as late as they wanted.
>>61262484
Taking being Mediterranean to a whole new level.
>>61262425
You make good points and I'm sorry not to adress all of them but you miss my point.
If the Greeks are the hardest working people, how is it ever possible they don't produce anything? What do they work so hard on?
That was my point. You can't claim to work the longest hours and at the same time have 90% of your economy rely on tourism and importing everything.
>>61262411
>google weather for Phoenix
>days are hot as fuck, but night is relatively cool
>12% humidity
Yeah no.
>>61262535
This is a mystery to me as well. I have no idea how Greece is in such a crisis, but I hope it recovers.
>>61260884
Nords are fucked in the head and their work work work society breeds depression.
>>61262256
Yeah i once was to an austrian hotel with school, we would make dinner at 5:30 and then go out and buy another dinner.
>>61262535
Because they treat hours worked as productivity. We can't know if these hours are spent on Facebook or doing some other shit.
>>61262720
These are hours spent being GLORIOUS Greeks.
>>61260884
What's the point of working just for the sake of working?
Southern Europeans work, earn some money, buy some comfy as fuck fluffy bed and take a siesta or fuck norcucks's wives on it (who love spending their holidays in southern europe for some reason)
That's life, not working non-stop like autistic ants and accumulating money you end up not enjoying anyway and commiting suicide at the age of 40 because of stress.
>>61262660
It has to do with the Euro which is kept high by countries like Germany and the Netherlands. This makes it very hard to Greece to export since they cannot just devaluate their currency.
Basically Greece should've never been admitted to the Euro since they could not compete with other Euro countries, but are kept tied to our high value currency.
Also obviously huge structural problems, political instability, etc.
>>61262716
Have dinner, sorry
>>61260884
>Turkey
>Europe
stop
>"I work."
>>61262535
Well, lots of working hours =/= good production or good industry, I mean, take a look at the top hardest working countries in the world. Not all of them are exactly production powerhouses. I can't pinpoint exactly what the people work on since I'm not from Greece.
If you ask me, the problem currently lies in austerity and austerity only. Even if the people are working as hard as possible, they're just working to pay debts back, while borrowing more and more, unable to ever pay the whole debt. As such, payback deadlines means that the industry will never jumpstart to begin with, since they don't have the time or money to do it. In other words, the reason I personally don't doubt that Greeks are the hardest workers is because I know it wouldn't matter to their production in the end. The deck right now is stacked against them, and was stacked against them from back when they joined the EU (partly the fault of their own corrupt officials too).
>>61262766
So my solution to bring back the drachma was not a meme solution after all?
>>61260884
They still work the same hours per day, they work later into the evening when it is cooler. Was that really so hard to fathom?
>>61262836
hello Gennaro
>>61262873
>expecting people on 4chan to possess basic problem solving skills
>>61262872
No. Short term would have been a drama, just like it is now, but at least the Drachma could adjust to the Euro and other currencies and be an equal representation of the Greek economy.
Imagine if the Euro would have been the currency of only Greece. It might have been worth $0.10, instead of the current $1.11. But now you add Germany, Netherlands, France etc to the Euro and the same currency that represents the Greek economy is worth 1000% more. So basically the richer Euro countries make it so that Greece their currency is completely out of touch with their economy.
>>61262873
>>61262928
I refuse to believe the majority of their countries show up at work at 8, then work on till 14:00, go home and return at 18:00 so they can work for 3 more hours.
>>61262872
Having talked to lots of Greeks, the consensus is that the drachma is a much better long-term solution compared to austerity. Thing is... are you willing to sacrifice your kids and this whole generation's future to have a chance 20 years down the line? Yeah... that's the choice Greeks had to make. It's not easy, dooming an entire generation to poverty, I can't blame them. Things were going to be BAD if they went bankrupt outside the EU.
>>61262971
Sorry, but please explain to a layman how having a more valuable currency would hurt their economy?
(Sorry, I am awful with economics)
>>61263013
Actual closing hours are usually 2pm-4pm, in most local owned shops. They usually just have a new wave of staff when they reopen. This is effectively their lunch break also.
>>61263065
Because the higher value of your currency is created by the higher productivity.
Imagine a German company has to pay for 3 hours of salary for 1 product, but the Greek one has to pay 9 hours for the same product.
However since they both have the same currency the Greeks can either pay 1/3 hourly salary or never sell 1 product.
If the Drachma was back, the Greeks could make their currency worth 1/3 of a Euro and have their economy function better. As of now there is no reason to produce anything in Greece since the costs are the same while the production is lower(and location unfavourable.)
>>61263065
but honestly it's just a simple principle: countries with different productivity need their own currency which they can balance out against each other.
This is why the Euro works out okayish for NL and GER but not for Greece.
Same happened with Argentina that tied their currency to the Dollar once.
>>61260884
We are pretty shit nuke this shithole please
>>61263294
but i'm going to formentera next month :(
>>61263294
Not possible, I need you for cheap holidays in the sun.... assuming the pound rebounds.
>>61263354
>>61263368
Nuke this shithole and stop our suffering senpai
Usually, stores here close between 14:00 and 17:00, not for the siesta but to let workers eat in their houses.
Restaurants and such doesn't serve meals at the evenings until 20:00, but you can have drinks and tapas anytime, they are not closed. By the way, in Spain you usually have dinner around 21:00~22:00h.
bTW, McDonalds and other fast-food-shitholes work 24h.
>>61260884
Well meme'd
Is there anybody idiotic enough to believe that Spaniards do that?
>>61260884
That's only in Spain.
But what's your point? Eastern Europe is poorer than Southern Europe anyway
>>61263548
Fuck you, siesta is a north cuck meme portushit
>>61263548
thanks for perpetuating Andalusian-inspired memes m8. You are always so fucking helpful imbeciletugal.
>>61263283
Thank you for the insightful answer.
why do spanish and portoguese people hate each other?
>>61263587
>>61263592
Arriba!!! Arriba!!! Olé!!!
Ciganos de merda
>>61263890
Fuck Andalusia. Fuck Gyppos. Fuck Extremadura. And fuck you.
