Japanese is the hardest language to fully learn for a non East-Asian.
Prove me wrong.
Mandarin/Cantonese
Japanese is hard, but Mandarin/Cantonese requires extreme autistic skills to master, not even the natives speak it very well
>>61148635
>an Algerian complaining about the difficulty of Japanese
Japanese has one of the simplest phonetic systems of any language, making it easy for pretty much anybody to pronounce perfectly, and, if you ignore the honorific autism, the grammar is fairly straightforward.
Arabic, on the other hand, has a absurdly irregular grammar full of broken plurals and unpredictable word-formation rules, and other strange features based on the triliteral root system, and of course contains many sounds and phonetic distinctions that are completely alien to most speakers of non-Semitic languages.
Also, since you're Algerian, I'd like to point out that
[tftktst tfktstt] 'you sprained it and then gave it'
and
[rkkm] 'rot' (imperf.)
are both valid sentences in certain Berber varieties.
>>61148701
Can you elaborate? is it because there seems to be less established rules for Chinese grammar makes it harder to grasp all the nuances to become really good at writing it?
From a learner's POV, aside from the tones what's so extraordinary about the Chinese languages? grammar; a bastardized, less comprihensible writing system with multiple readings; more messy counters and formalities, etc. All seem to give Japanese the egde.
>>61149127
While it's true the pronunciation of Semitic languages is a bitch, the writing system is easy to get down, which can't be said about Japanese or Chinese.
The broken plurals are fairly straightforward and consistent once you get the difference roots (awzan) down.
アニメから日本語を学んだ
>>61148635
Both Chinese and Japanese grammar are really easy.
>>61148701
This because there isn't Chinese anime
t.Korean who went to Chinese elementary but speak Japanese better without studying
>>61149411
you good boy(゜ω゜)ノ(・∀・)
>>61148635
Japanese languages grammar is easiest.
but there is so many expressions and KANJI.
only speak rain, there is about 410 kind of words.
>>61149411
10/10
Japanese basic alphabet HIRAGANA is so easy.
if you can read HIRAGANA, at least you can read Japanese language.
くるま car
ねこ cat
いぬ dog
とり bird
がっこう school
せかい world
にっぽん Japan
>>61150400
>I can read LATIN LETTERS, so at least I can read Finnish
what is logic
>>61148635
do you know SHIRITORI?
Shiritori (しりとり?) is a Japanese word game in which the players are required to say a word which begins with the final kana of the previous word. No distinction is made between hiragana, katakana or kanji. "Shiritori" literally means "taking the buttocks" or "taking the end".
like this.
ねこ ことり りんご ごりら らっぱ ぱらだいす すいか かね 。。。。
this is good for your remember of Japanese.
Chinese is worse. At least japanese phonetics are easy.
>>61150661
really? that's good knowledge for me.
thank you.
>>61150749
to Japanese easy to learning Chinese
because Japanese is used to KANJI.
yes for other country include Korea maybe difficult.
so i can say learning Japanese is easy.
>>61150842
What are you doing in the US, Takeshi?
>>61148635
lol wut it's easy, Chinese and other sea languages are much more difficult
>>61150862
im enjoying my life.
>>61148635
The Chinese languages exist.
>>61148635
and one more i tell you Japanese languages game.
SAKASAKOTOBA(逆さ言葉)
that is some properly sentence you can read from other side.
like this.
軽いノリのイルカ
かるいのりのいるか
>>61150895
China abandoned the own all culture before.
nowadays Chinese language made from Japan.
>>61148635
lol, u fagget
>>61148635
Hindi and japanese have lots of similarities.
I dont know about other east asian languages(because I dont watch their cartoons)
It would be much harder to learn say, an eastern european or nordic language
>>61151100
>Hindi and japanese have lots of similarities
examples?
>>61148635
one more i tell you Japanese languages game.
DAJARE(だじゃれ)
that is same as rap. use a same
pronunciations words in the sentence.
like this.
ふとんがふっとんだ。
ねこがねころんだ。
まさおかしきがまさかのしき。
かんこくにさいごのかんこく。
Japanese like such a sentence.
>>61150400
>>61150842
While you're in the US please use the opportunity to improve your ENGLISH.
>>61151196
https://anotherlengua.wordpress.com/2010/08/31/hindi-is-like-japanese/
The word structures are similar, one letter makes one character represents one sound, many words are similar, like dhak dhak literally means doki doki in japanese, the use of the same word twice to highlight its presence,etc.
Im not a linguist so I cant tell much,as I dont know any other language than my own and english, and few japanese words and phrases you recognize after watching about 100 anime, but I can definitely say hindi is closer to japanese than english
>>61151506
my respect person Jackie Chan and teacher said
"don't be shy, use own English"
i just trying it.
>>61151506
and my English improved very well.
>>61151565
>indi is closer to japanese than english
I really doubt that
English and Hindi are both indo-European languages, while Japanese isnt
I'm no linguist either but Hindi is likely much closer to English than to Japanese, considering Japanese is in an entirely different language family than English and Hindi
most of the similarities are probably coincidence, both languages evolved separately from each other
>>61151703
Just a personal experience
Im entitled to my opinion
>>61149227
Japanese pronunciation is very easy. Mandarin has fucking disgusting sounds that only chinese people can actually make. Secondly, Kana makes reading and writing Japanese way more intuitive for a gaijin. The fact that kanji is mostly limited to concrete parts of the language (verbs, nouns, adjectives, etc), and kana fills in the gaps with conjugation, prepositions, etc. makes it simple. Mandarin is all chink-symbols, which is just mind boggling for someone who didnt grow up with it.
>>61151932
I mean, I guess I understand, but this doesn't really come down to opinions
it's about the facts and the fact is Hindu is more related to English than Japanese
I'm not trying to insult you or anything, if that's what you think I'm doing
What kind of sad weeb tries to learn Japanese, over an actual useful language?
>>61152080
t. learning german because of his 3/15ths heritage
>>61150883
LOL where are you from and how long have you been in the states?
>>61152080
I just think it's an interesting language
what kind of pathetic loser insults people for learning a language he'd probably never be able to learn?
>>61151100
POO IN LOO
>>61150987
>some properly sentence
>>61151612
>my respect person
this shit's gold
>>61152150
secret.
but few months.
>>61151100
>nordic language
Nordic languages are pretty easy for English speakers, at least Swedish
>>61152231
I respect it. I'm pretty embarrassed about speaking language im learning among natives.
>>61150842
>forgot proxy
>>61150883
>damage control
>>61152380
lol keep at it
>>61152433
(o￣∇￣)/<thank you
>>61149411
and I learnt English swear/discriminate words by 4chan
>>61152652
Yeah but it'll have kana right next to it (furigana?) so I'll know how to pronounce it, and context isn't too much of an issue once you get good at it. With chinese, you look at the character and you can't know how to pronounce it because there's no alphabet so you have to ask a chinese person or something so they can tell you "oh that one's pronounced CHING CHONG LING LONG" but wait "ching" is different than "chíng" or "chìng" or whatever else there is.
From what I've seen Japanese is actually closer to English than most other east asian languages. It lacks tones (e.g. Chinese), and inflection, negation, and conjugation are all very familiar and intuitive. I'm nowhere near proficient at Japanese but I imagine it's a lot easier for an English speaker to learn Japanese than it is for a Japanese speaker to learn English, since Japanese actually follows its own damn rules.
>>61152735
English swearing is fun, isn't it?
>>61152742
You'll only find kana in children's books, shonen manga, and next to Chinese people's names
>>61152768
yeah
no swearing words that using sexual word(like fuck,cunt,dick) in Japanese(we have class) so it's fun.
>3 different writing systems, one consisting of thousands of intricate and specialised logographic characters
Incredibly inefficient really.
Why not just use hiragana for everything?
>>61152799
or in a dictionary
or a textbook on japanese
>>61152817
IMAGINEIFEVERYTHINGWEREINCAPSANDWHITHOUTSPACE
>>61152817
too many homonyms
and one more tell you that is Japanese poem HAIKU(はいく)
HAIKU is make poem in 5,7,5 sentence.
like this.
かきくえば
かねがなるなり
ほうりゅうじ
and HAIKU has a rule, that is every HAIKU have to include KIGO(きご). KIGO that's mean season words that's decided HAIKU organisation.
for example above HAIKU has KIGO かき(persimmon) this is autumn word.
>>61152876
that too
>2016
>ᚾᛟᛏ᛫ᚢᛋᛜ᛫ᚱᚢᚾᛖᛋᚲᚱᛁᛈᛏ
ᛚᛗᚨᛟ
ᛁᛏ᛫ᛁᛋ᛫ᛚᛁᚲᛖ᛫ᛃᛟᚢ᛫ᚠᚨᚷᚷᛟᛏᛋ᛫ᛞᛟᚾᛏ᛫ᛖᚡᛖᚾ᛫ᚲᚾᛟᚹ᛫ᚺᛟᚹ᛫ᛏᛟ᛫ᚱᚨᛈᛖ᛫ᚨᚾᛞ᛫ᛈᛁᛚᛚᚨᚷᛖ
>>61152918
do haiku's sound good in japanese? they sound pretty weird in English.
>>61152986
literal moonrunes
>>61152986
This isn't a real writing system, right?
>>61151100
But Hindi is Indo-European, it at least shares an ancestor with Nordic and Eastern Europe languages.
Aren't Arabic and Icelandic super hard?
>>61152817
Japanese borrowed many compound words from middle-Chinese, many of which sound the same in spoken Japanese due to its less sophisticated use of tones compared to Chinese.
>>61152817
for expressions.
KANJI and KATAKANA make lot of expressions.
like this.
かえるがなくからかえろう。 able to change
カエルが泣くから帰ろう。
蛙が鳴くから帰ろう。
かえるがナクからカエロウ。
カエルが無くからか、カエロウ。
just read by HIRAGANA same pronunciations but each sentence has different feelings.
Arabic is significantly more difficult than Japanese, both phonologically and grammatically.
The only real thing that Japanese is more difficult with is orthography.
Unlike Chinese languages that have single pronunciations for each Chinese character, Japanese has multiple.
For example, the character 東 which means 'east' is only pronounced "dong" in Mandarin, but in contrast there are 15 ways in Japanese including the most commonly used expressions 'tou', 'higashi', 'azuma', and 'shino'.
>learning our language
>you end up reading manga,watching animu and playing weeb vidya games
noice
>>61148635
>OP's flag
The French really are the biggest weebs.
>>61149299
Once your brain gets used to learning characters it isn't so bad. The first 100 or so are a pain in the ass, but then it gets much easier, as you can learn bushu and begin using pneumonics to memorize moar
>>61152996
nowadays HAIKU is popular in USA.
http://britishhaikusociety.org.uk/2011/02/english-haiku-a-composite-view/
and HAIKU rhythm is good for feeling.
>Phonetic script in conjunction with non-phonetic Chinese characters
>Logical and consistent grammar structure
>So much so that all you need to know is the base verb to intuitively know how to conjugate it in any give way
>Extremely active media industry to give you endless options to choose for practice and immersion
What are you smoking, OP? I'm not fluent in Japanese by any stretch of the imagination, but I've studied enough to know my lack of fluency is my own fault and not the difficulty of the language.
>>61153592
嘘はやめろ。お前さっきから日本のことゴリ押しして何がしたいの?
>>61152080
>useful
Would you rather learn a language that brings you fulfilment and happiness, or a 'useful' language that you are going to give up on anyway because you have no actual motivation to learn it?
>>61148701
It is impossible to not speak one's own native language well. The language itself is defined by how the native speakers use it, and they are never wrong. If you disagree, please study even the basics of linguistics, and you will come to agree with me. Because you are not, I will give you an illustration:
Languages are like organisms.
A biologist does not look at a group of frogs and say 'this frog is wrong, and this frog is correct.'
No, they are just frogs, just different.
Likewise, a linguist does not look at a language and say 'this native's form of english/chinese/japanese is incorrect, and this one is correct.'
No native speaks his own language incorrectly, even if it does not abide by the standard.
>>61153647
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
i can learn japanese in a few days since it is a turanic language
>>61152080
Weebs aside, Japanese is still a sought-after skill for the business world.
>>61153646
why are you get so mad?
>>61153527
Your expectations of gaijin weebs as a Japanese:
>I am a carpenter and I want to learn what techniques are used into building the Itsukushima Shrine
>I am a musician, I want to check out the Indie scene in Tokyo
What we actually get:
>I am a BA Classical literature sophomore at Neverheardofbefore State University, I like watching anime and collecting anime figurines. I'm hosting a Wan Piss viewing marathon for the anime club this Saturday...
>>61153968
Korean jealousy?
日本推しアメリカ国旗くんはアメリカ在住の日本人?weeaboo?串さしていたずら?
Japanese languages one of the good points, easy reusing foreign languages.
for example.
Chinese
馬耳東風
四面楚歌
一期一会
百聞一見
一騎当千
etc
Japanese can understand these Chinese 4KANJI sentence, it's very useful and very good wisdom.
English
テレビ
スピーカー
マイノリティ
フェミニズト
フレキシブル
ニュアンス
etc
Portugal
コロッケ
カステラ
etc
this KANJI and KATAKANA make easy to understand which words is from foreign language and easy can get nuances.
I don't want to study English anymore.
>>61154755
It is possible that he is a Japanese using a proxy. Anyways, he could not listen to any reasons.
>>61154755
Why are you so worry about It?
(-ω-)
>>61154143
お前朝鮮人?とか言ってくるあたりまぁプロキシを使っているクソゴミネトウヨくんか…
>>61155075
why are you get mad?
anybody didn't say insult something.
Literally learned Japanese from just playing video games and reading manga. How are you such a fucking pleb, OP?
Time to git gud.
>>61154755
頭が悪いので英語を習得する事も出来ないのでひたすら日本語で日本称賛スレを立て自慰して、自動翻訳の拙い韓国語で韓国スレを荒らしたり日本語スレで韓孤苦に脳内韓国人エピソードで嫌がらせをして劣等感を紛らわすしかできない哀れな奴だよ
>>61155075
I can guess where he is from by his English. At leadt he couldn't be a native English speaker.
>>61155196
ネトウヨくん哀れだぞ。何故日本語で返さないのかな?もう日本人のネトウヨってバレているのに…
>>61155350
そうすると、彼は逆に墓穴を掘ることになるんだよ。
>>61151987
this is all wrong. seriously. there's not a single part of it that's right.
>>61155578
You don't need to reply to the trolls.
and Japanese language has a lot of politely style sentences. this is changing like a European languages verb changes.
for example.
いる(some person exist) います、 おられる、 おいでになる。
いく(go, come) いきます、 うかがう、 いらっしゃる。
etc
some time that's make stress society but usually make good human spirits.
>>61148635
Japanese need to drop Kanji.
>>61155280
>>61155289
>>61155350
>>61155519
who Praise Japan you guys call netouyo.
everybody know which is pity guys.
>some time that's make stress society but usually make good human spirits.
>>61148635
>What is Chinese
>>61155922
wow, now i hate Korea.
>>61155223
Sure thing buddy
>>61155075
>>61155280
>>61155289
>>61155350
>>61155922
for your thread>>61121631
>>61148635
its hard but at the same time not that hard. see, even super ultra low iq by nature asshole netousyos who have no friends and are socially awkward as hell and cant even handle tense and article in english at all can manage to speak it even though its so much broken and sounds like a genuine retard.
japanese just depends on japanese habits and practices. its hard to figure the relativities out because there are hardly any such references. but id say still its not about a difficulty as language. its just about ways to handle and manipulate each situation in japanese society.
and kanjis dont matter as much as you might think.
>>61150400
Most written japanese uses kanji because it makes the meaning so much clearer (and helps separate words)
>>61152735
>learnt
digusting
>>61155821
It is nonsense.
>>61155821
It would be much harder to read unless they introduce spaces into their sentences
>>61148701
>not even the natives speak it very well
As someone whose first language is cantonese, you are fucking retarded.
If you have good faculty to memorize, Japanese is way easy.
You have to memorize kanji, on-yomi, kun-yomi, jukugo and every yamato-kotoba, but syntax is easy as fuck.
Nope, the chinese langauges and Arabic are.
>>61163071
Arabic is one of the easiest language, bo
>>61148635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l79jB4Bjx2c
>>61153647
>It is impossible to not speak one's own native language well.
Who are low class Americans
>>61153036
It is
The funny thing is, there are no vowels in runes, so that's kinda funny
>>61149411
>tfw started japanese a month and a half ago
>tfw understood that sentence
i am getting stronger
test
>>61152768
There are swear words in English?
Fuck I didn't know that holy shit
Teach me some
>>61165213
Heh, you funny.
>>61170749
Arabic is easiest language because it's kinda basic language of human civilization.
If Arabic is hard, almost all languages are hard. You've never learnt East Asian language, haven't you?
Japanese sounds like they speak in words, which is fairly easy to pronounce.
Chinese is hard to pronounce and sounds unrecognisable.
>>61149227
>multiple readings
Literally doesn't matter, you don't have to learn any of those separately, they come by themselves while learning vocabulary. Formalities more or less follow the same formula and are easy to recognise.
Grammar is very minimal compared to any other language I know, pronunciation is a complete non-issue for me since it's more or less the same as finnish, the only hard part I've found is learning tens of thousands of words, but you have to do that in every language.
>>61170558
fuck, holy shit
you just got learned kiddo
>>61170807
I kinda did. I looked at Chinese since the grammar is not hard. But basic does not mean easy. But it is a matter of perspective.
>>61171179
Those doesn't sound like real swear words though. They just sound gay.
We have a few swear words: kurwa, pizda, pierdolić, jebać. even szlag which isn't really a swear sounds heavier than any of yours.
>>61171318
>What is perspective
And to me pizda and szlag sound like the noise baby make before they learn to speak and not heavy at all.
>>61152080
Me, because I have Japanese neighbors
t. Californian
Japanese is piss easy. You don't have to know it really because its all based on context anyway. I could survive on Japan just watching anime.
>>61171318
Those swear words are tame. Here's some of the real insulting ones:
Cunt (the #1 most insulting word you can call a woman, use only when she's REALLY being... well, a cunt)
Crap (meaning feces, less edgy than it once was. I was quite shocked when I overheard a children's cartoon character say it on an episode)
Bitch (less insulting for a woman than Cunt, but still quite heavy.)
Then there's the racial slurs, of which there are many.
Nigger (for blacks)
Spic (for Hispanics)
Chink (for Asians)
Ching Chong (also for Asians)
Redskins (For the "Native" Americans)
Feel free to study more. Just look up "English swear words" on Jewgle or whatever and you'll get some interesting results.
>japanese is the most unintuitive language out there
>this is a good thing
Any language is impossible to "fully learn".
/thread
>>61171318
Chcesz wpierdol
>>61172563
Jasne, poproszę w tabletkach.
>>61149589
so you know all 3 eastern asian languages and scripts? As korean, which one was harder for you, both language and script, japanese or chinese?
>>61172648
prymitywny sposob
>>61172269
>cunt
pizda > cipa = cunt
If actually used against a woman though, I must say it's quite powerful imo
kurwa > cunt > whore > pizda = dziwka = szmata = bitch > cipa = suka
>crap
I can't see how it's supposed to be edgy, especially in that silly phrase "holy crap/shit"
It varies depanding on the context, I guess but in general I'd say it's:
ja pierdolę > kurwa mać > ja jebię > kurwa > long nothing > jasna cholera > cholera = crap > shit > szlag > damn = kurde > cholewa > kurczę
>racial slurs
>Nigger
Nigger, niggers call this themselves.
We have a few of them too.
>czarnuch, asfalt, nygus, czarny
>Spic (for Hispanics)
>Chink (for Asians)
>Ching Chong (also for Asians)
>Redskins (For the "Native" Americans)
ok, here you win. I don't think we even have a slur for Hispanics and Redskins. That may be because we don't have contacts with them. As for Chinks we have "żółtek" and borrowed from Russian "kitajec" which are nothing compared to a "Chink" though.
Why are you so racist, English language?
>>61151612
c-cute
>>61172269
Shit is much more explicit than crap
and as for racial slurs, don't forget
>Hebe or Kike for Jews
>Gooks (Koreans, Vietnamese)
>Nips or Japs (Japanese)
>Towelheads (Arabs)
>>61174204
>towelheads
szmatogłowi (ragheads)
Polan stronk ^^
>>61152080
>useful language
None besides english.
>>61151048
>Chinese language made from Japan
The weirdest shit I ever read on 4chan.
>>61157652
>>61158989
How/when is it decided whether to use Kanji over the other writing systems.
>>61165427
nice video
