What exactly would be wrong with a single EU super state?
the fact that your cultures are too different and got nothing but jews to united them all
>>61133866
>the fact that your cultures are too different
Yes, they are different. Common state wouldn't have to mean our national identities would disappear. Every country still has its own language and distinct history.
>muh jews
Fuck off
Nothing, but it can't happen while EU remains a tool for states rather than an independent entity.
It's moving in the right direction though. Slowly.
Brussels gets its orders from Washington.
>>61133866
desu they are not that different, that's a meme.
India and China are also made of many various ethnicities and languages, many of them also as different as europeans are from each other and they still manage to work as a country.
Cultural differences between European nations need time to align organically, forcing it will make a lot of people very angry.
>>61133979
by jews I mean financial sectors that would only benefit from the national governments being weaker, therefore easier to control the market of those countries and further increasing the income inequality in those countries in the hands of few billionaires
>Yes, they are different
They are too different m8, the euro crisis is the prime example of that. In Southern Europe people depend on inflation and a strong government to subsidize their industries because their economy is to family-oriented and not focused on the individual to the point they need a strong government to assure the cohesion of those families, whereas in Northern Europe is the opposite, people trust entities more than families to the point that people rely more on industries and other sector to the point that the government gives them more freedom and focus on welfare to those individuals, also the worker's legislation in both regions are totally different due to those factors. And that's why all European economy crashed except for the German one when a Single trade zone was adopted, that's why they have destroyed Greece and pushed for privatization there
Depends who's governing it. As it is, they'd allow the southern countries to be destroyed, half of Africa and the middle east would enter and they'd spend billions a year on propaganda, with their own army we'd be powerless.
>>61133831
nothing. it's just inbred britbongs who are worried about losing their degenerate culture
>>61134170
China is actually 90% Han and India doesn't really work, the caste system still exists pretty much.
If you want a multiculti cunt that works it's Singapore.
>>61134255
the number of refugees coming has been falling since the Balkan closure and the Turkey deal
>>61133831
I'm actually not against it. It would be fun to absolutely BTFO the US and China and stand on our own two feet. But maybe it's too idealistic.
>>61134562
how the mighty have fallen
>>61134587
>implying there's any other way for us to rule the world again
>>61133831
it would be a non-country
>>61133831
Europe should unite under one flag and become the ultimate global superpower.
>>61134626
well your history proves that yes
>>61133831
Lack of a common identity except sharing a continent and religion/atheism + too many people with agendas of filling it up with non-europeans
Also what language should "we" use as the common language? English? French?
>Inb4 Arabic
>>61134626
you could further integrate the anglo-sphere
tho ofc that includes lots and lots of niggers
>>61134562
I compare current EU to a parliament made of mayors. Every actor acts on behalf of the people that elect him and this causes a clusterfuck as those interests are regional.
It's a dysfunctional idea that is only superior to the disillusion of the state and having every mayor have his own country. A Europe without EU.
Instead I believe we need to have the people in EU (the commission, the EU 'government') be elected directly by parliament, no quotas no shit.
Than we can have a real representation of European interests rather than of regional ones.
The good news is that this is actually happening albeit very slowly.
Bremain or Brexit I hope either would quicken this process, though I'm not sure if either will.
>>61134710
There is no need for a common language
>>61134626
I believe the UK would be able to do so.
>>61134710
>Also what language should "we" use as the common language?
French ofc, just common sense !
>>61134710
The langauge which has the most speakers
Hint: Deutsch
>>61134798
cтpaхoтнa идeя бaцe
шa избиeм pибaтa
>>61134069
Back to the basement Natasha
>>61134710
hebrew
>>61134863
>he thinks sanctions against russia aren't dictated by the usa
>>61134833
Ale i tak wszyscy znamy angielski
>>61133831
It doesn't really matter what you do 2bh
>>61134710
Proto-Indo-European.
USA is barely functional as a single country due to massive shifts in demographics & political outlooks in different areas
what makes you think EU could be?
>>61134809
>Deutsch
Even our own universities here are already slowly switching to English so I am not really sure about that
>>61134880
:^]
>>61134710
Esperanto
>>61134949
http://niceme.me
>>61134710
Latin
>>61134710
Latin desu
>>61134710
the lingua franka is defacto english, though people can and should use their own languages as long as they wish to
identity is something that will come onto it self as people use the free travel and the exchange of culture EU facilitates
non-europeans should be better screened indeed, but it's a tall task as that responsibility still split between every single government in the EU
The issue is that the EU is run by bureaucrats that we can't even elect, and has more power than our elected officials.
>>61134934
>Even our own universities here are already slowly switching to English
Do professors speak in English when lecturing or is it just textbooks in English being used?
>>61134777
That's way more unrealistic than a European superstate. We're just too far apart for it to work.
>>61134802
No, we can't do the same thing we did before and just sail around claiming land and exploiting it. The world is different now, and smaller developed countries simply cannot compete with larger developed ones.
>>61134997
>The issue is that the EU is run by bureaucrats that we can't even elect
you literally can tho
>>61134997
>being this uneducated
Similar people to you want brexit to happen
>>61134997
parliament is elected
council is elected (by country)
commission is appointed by council and voted on by parliament
what is undemocratic about that? yea it's not the way I'd do it, but it is as democratic as any country
>>61134997
thanks, doc
>>61135004
>Do professors speak in English when lecturing or is it just textbooks in English being used?
Well its depending on the major and the seminars, currently its 50/50. Personally speaking, my university has refused to let students write their final thesis in English until now, but it will come soon enough I guess
>>61133831
I'd bd great if it wasn't run by cucks
>>61133831
pretty much only the fact that it would be inevitably ruled by leftist cucks
>>61135064
The European parliament just tell us how bendy bananas can be
The power is in the Commission
And Juncker does what he wants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUNfXMl-Xx0
It would have been great if it dedicated to economic cooperation. But the moment it stepped towards becoming a political union things went to shit.
>>61133831
You forgot turkey in your pic
>>61135263
not happening
>>61135211
Is it though? Aren't there plenty of EU countries who don't give a flying fuck what Brussels says and put up fences anyway?
>>61135284
>>61135211
>right is on the rise all over europe
>europeans elect the council and parliament
>council and parliament elect the commission
>yfw you're a defeatist cuck
also the biggest party in the EU is right wing
>>61134798
It is if you want a single nation state.
>>61135263
you can't be an EU member while occupying another EU member
>>61135284
Turkey is as white as Britain
>>61135330
right-wing does not mean 'non-cuck'
the CDU is technically right-wing
>>61134710
Latin
>>61135336
Well English then. Every educated person knows English.
>>61133831
>What exactly would be wrong with a single EU super state?
Lack of democracy. EU is anti-democratic.
It would end up like a big yugoslavia
>>61135285
>True freedom
And who are you trying to deceive with those inflation figures?
>>61135370
everything is cuck besides h8l gitler 88 to you faggots,
if you think any country in EU has a chance for a 'non cuck' government by your deluded standards you're out of your fucking mind
even you radical burgers can't get trump elected
>>61135437
>rBGH
MUH HORMONES
MUH GMO
this is why politicians shouldn't be allowed near science
pro-tip:
rBGH isn't "synthetic" hormones, it's indistinguishable from BGH. There is no method to detect if it's even being used because it's completely identical you dipshits.
>>61135285
>200 million more citizens than the US
>less than a trillion Euros more in output
EU a shit
Every superpower has its problems but they can be resolved, especially with strong cunts like the UK threatening to fuck off. IF they vote to remain it will definitely prove a point to the leadership in Brussels that they can't do whatever they want.
>>61135437
Jesus Christ I got gastroenteritis in Spain if I go to AMerica I'll probably get bowel cancer
>>61135532
>muh per capita
i'll be looking for your shitposts when china takes your place
>>61135532
It just shows that we have the potential to grow a whole lot more.
>>61135600
never comment on anything related to science again
>>61135105
>>61135532
Don't worry we'll kick out the arabs soon enough,
>>61135600
>>61135535
not really
it will just give the UK more "special snowflake status" benefits while the rest of us get fucked
>>61135535
If we vote to remain it'll show them they can do whatever they like and people will still vote for the status quo. I love the EEA and the common market and freedom of movement, but we don't need a superstate. The parliament and commission should disappear and countries should be able to choose what they want out of the EU, with no coercion and only elected leaders coming together.
>>61135532
Wealth distribution is much better though.
>stop EU. EU is imperialism that threatens are sovereignity!!
>map draw thread!!! look at muh ebin grossgermania. europe now only has five nations!! :DDD
Why is /int/ so conflicted?
what europe really needs is more energy independence from russia and muslims
(it also has the added benefit of making americans and chinese slow down their economies because of "pollution")
>>61135663
>>61135687
Is it true that UK will be worse off financially if they leave?
>>61135688
no it's not
the entirety of eastern europe would be under our poverty line
>>61133831
That would be actually great, as my country is run by plutocrats and priests.
>>61135030
>The world is different now
It is indeed: there are more people with weapons.
>>61135775
Probably yes, on the short term.
But on the long term it will be 1000x better than staying.
>>61135030
>The world is different now,
IT'S 2016
COME ON
>>61135775
It depends what happens. If we stay in the common market and the EEA no - nothing would really change apart from telling Brussels to go away
If we left and just wanted a trade deal then it would suffer in the short term but then get back up to speed
But our leaders refuse to say what they'd do if we vote leave to scare us - they know how much people hate the unknown
>>61133831
Sweden looks like a penis.
And Finland is a testicle.
>>61135764
We're ahead of schedule on that.
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/06/21/eu-smashes-2020-emissions-target-six-years-early/
>tfw no common European passport
Yes, I know our is the best in the world, but I believe EU one would be just as good.
>>61135890
>>61135926
I finally realized why I always think Lithuania's flag belongs in south America
>>61135775
depends on what you mean
the average citizen will not notice much of a difference
the politcians will find a way to waste the money they give to the EU today anyway. the UK will still have to follow the majority of the EU regulations if they want to trade with them (pro tip, they do), they just wouldn't have representation.
at worst the average brit might lose some job opportunities, then again he might also gain from less migration
overall the investors, bankers, etc don't like uncertainly and change. so the short term will be worse off for sure
>>61135663
They are a massive economy and one of the most important countries in the world so they probably should get a little more say than countries like ours that aren't all that influential.
>>61135687
I doubt a superstate would ever fully develop, there isn't a need for it...yet
>>61135959
>then again he might also gain from less migration
Aye more toilet cleaning jobs for ourselves
>>61135954
You're just an amerilard, no wonder you're slow at this stuff.
>>61135890
>>61135909
>>61135959
Because we're not in the EU but pretty much still have to do what we're told anyway.
>>61135954
South America belongs in Lithuania desu.
>>61135940
source: http://www.tsp-data-portal.org/Breakdown-of-Electricity-Generation-by-Energy-Source#tspQvChart
>>61135954
>>61135940
I thought the mayor reason for that was the ecomonic recession
>>61135959
Only if we export to the EU. I hate that argument - should we become a US state so we have a say on their import regulations? We have a lot of trade with them as well. Europe has to abide by ours as well and we take in a lot of their products, so I'd argue they need to be just as careful about our regulation unless they want to lose out.
>>61136032
Yeah but you're tiny - you rely on EU trade but they don't care about yours, you have no leverage. The EU cares a lot about our trade.
>>61136032
>pretty much still have to do what we're told anyway.
If you wanna get technical there's barely any country on this gay earth that isn't heavily manipulated by outside forces.
But of course being out of the political union that is the EU is preferable in any case. That shit just doesn't work. See Yugoslavia, USSR for recent examples
>>61135959
>(pro tip, they do)
desu we want and need to trade with them as much as they do.
I want brits to keep buying tons and tons of French cheese senpai.
>>61136242
The Euro is doing just fine, what are you talking about?
>>61136242
this
USA is held together with duct tape and bubblegum
if we weren't so lazy we'd have balkanized already
>>61136156
the fact of life is that the big guys make the rules,
and while Britain is without question one of the largest economies, the EU is a much larger market with established trade agreements
so UK may not be as fucked as other potential exiters, but it would have less pull that the EU and will be the junior partner in any negotiations with it
no way around that
unless you buy into the EU exploding after Brexit school of thought
>>61136242
>see those forceful communist unions made to function with centralized power in the hands of one man and his but-buddie.
yea, ok, EU is literal communism, sure, whatever
>>61135775
probably. We would lose passporting firms at a bare minimum. (this is assuming we get some kind of deal).
The issue is that brexit will provoke a political response from the EU driven by butthurt, not an economic one driven by german car manufacturers. I think this is the issue many brexiters dont quite see. All EU states must endorse the post EU trade deal with the UK.
>>61136363
We import a lot more than the export, and most of our imports are from the EU
They have a lot to lose as well, and it's easier for us to get trade deals because as an example, the EU has had to stop TTIP because a lot of Europe disagrees. We could have a trade agreement a lot more quickly with our system if government.
>>61136486
>muh economy
t. soros
>>61136486
We just have to trust that the EU doesn't want to cut off its nose to spite its face. I can imagine some of them will want to spite us, but German manufacturers and French companies would never forgive them for it and I think they'd rather avoid that.
>>61136486
>All EU states must endorse the post EU trade deal with the UK.
Oh, fuck, guys. You're in dire straits.
>>61133831
There would always be a dominant culture state/culture and I'm not gonna bend to the Perfidious Albion and even less to Germancucks. I could accept the french if the country was not in a state of turmoil where terrorists and hooligans roam free.
>>61136461
don't forget the EU is also muslim
>people from the shitty EU countries that rely on handouts defending the EU
welfare-tier
>>61136299
For you, maybe, because of all the gibsmedats. Not quite for the big countries.
>>61136461
>centralized power in the hands of one man and his but-buddie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_Soviet_Union
Doesn't sound that different from our current "democracies".
Except if you look at the EU parliament there are hundreds of butt buddies, rather than just dozens
>>61133831
Daily remenber...
>>61136714
are you really from colombia?
do colombians like americans?
>>61136589
Oh I dont think we'll be in a worse situation. I just doubt we'll end up in a better one. The south and east are not going to be happy at the thought of free movement being kill, and the belgians are not going to be happy at the prosect of the eu's dissolution.
>>61136808
>the belgians are not going to be happy at the prosect of the eu's dissolution.
Do you think the average belgian has anything to do with what happens in Brussels?
Just think how much everyone in the UK despises Londoners. Because all the money gets sent there or so they say.
Now think how happy people will be when it focuses on a small number of cities in Germany and France. And there'll be nothing they can do about it.
>>61133831
The leadership.
Plausibly the constitution and a lot of laws, considering they'd be made by the present political class.
>>61136686
>rely on handouts
>literally not even 3% of out GDP
also our tax laws are some of the lightest in the EU. most of us defend the EU for shits and giggles, and the rest because we imagine a future where your country is bankrupt, and we're colonizing space
>>61136808
I can agree with that. But if we scare the EU enough that it starts treating other countries well (ahem Southern Europe) then I think Europe will be greatly improved. We don't need an EU, we just need close cooperation.
>>61136900
not so much the average population, but the leadership, which is what matters in the eu.
uk is rightful american clay
>>61136775
south america is literally divided between US-cucks and nationalists
>>61136686
Fun fact:
While quality countries like Germany or France put "Made in Germany" (or France) on their products, post communist handout shitholes like Poland or Romania use the "Made in EU" label to hide the origin.
>>61136775
Yes.
Well, you see, people see people from USA and Europe like the epitome of whiteness, intelligence and civilization. Bitches will throw themselves at you, guys will always want you in their group.
As for your government people definitely hate the imperialistic shenanigans and couldn't wait to kick you out of our lives if you didn't have so much power. Military bases everywhere, free trade agreements that destroy our economy, being your little goon at international politics is definitely not cool.
>>61136906
isn't like over 10% of your population in london
i'm not sure what point you're making, but i think when the vote fails the UK will only hate london more
>>61137044
>tfw you buy tools that say "Made In Germany"
"Made In Germany" is literally the highest quality "Made in X" you can put on anything.
>>61137071
>Well, you see, people see people from USA and Europe like the epitome of whiteness, intelligence and civilization.
Shame some Americans and Europeans don't feel the same way desu
>>61137076
Eh London is a weird one - people aren't any better off there on average because of higher costs, but people get the idea that they're all rich fucks. The rich ones are the ones who commute in and live in the home counties. And of course half of London isn't even real England.
>>61136598
and as the leave campaign have pointed out, it has taken like 7 years to sort out an eu-china trade deal because of romania.
Brexit will be fucking torturous
>>61136730
>remenber
>>61137044
you do know it's literally the law to put a label on where in the EU (or outside) a product is made?
EU law
>>61137233
The only real option will be to stay as we are but without EU membership. Then we'd slowly negotiate our way out of things we don't want.
>>61137044
i've heard germany uses "made in EU" the most
tho it's true there's plenty of brands here that say "made in EU" and then go on to say it's made in bulgaria. they aren't as successful as those who put "make in bulgaria" tho. extra credit if everything on the package is in cyrilic and has the bulgarian flag on it.
they only put the "made in EU" for foreigners. if you don't think they're following the quality regulations you're free to sue
>>61135389
You say that....
the fact that it isnt super
>>61136156
>should we become a US state
There's literally no reason not to.
One world nation when?
>>61137142
I'm well aware they see countries like mine as simple cheap destinations to get wasted and fuck hot bitches, with absolutely nothing else aside from drugs and murder to offer to the world. Which is fine.
I also lost that admiration for USA and Europeans after learning a bit more about their own share of problems, stupidity and incompetence. The internet is such a wonderful yet ruthless place.
>>61137312
>The only real option will be to stay as we are but without EU membership.
How would that even work? You keep all the advantages and reject all disadvantages? I mean the germans have been acted retarded for the last ten years, but they're not that retarded yet.
>>61137044
>While quality countries like Germany or France
>FRANCE
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Good one, Hans.
>>61137202
>only half
as far as kids, english are famously the minority
also khanned
>>61137076
The point is if it ever does become a superstate countries that currently make a net gain from the EU will get nothing and all the money will be siphoned into particular cities. Because why would they keep throwing money at something that doesn't make them money?
I can't use Bulgaria as an example, but in the UK Wales gets fuck all because Wales doesn't make money. London makes money and gets a lot for it. The UK will never be equal, but the difference between the poor and rich areas are huge.
>>61137202
I don't know about that. I've never had any apartment blocks with places for 500k in many other places. There are poor people in London for sure, but they're slowly being pushed out.
>>61137241
Aymmm, Do you feel happy, José?
It is not as a if for we must unite, one state, one civilisation. If we fail then all is lost.
>>61137272
>>61137272
>The label will allow a great level of flexibility. The general “Made in the EU” label can be used for all goods which underwent their last substantial transformation in a EU country. But European manufacturers will remain free to choose a relevant national label, such as 'Made in Germany' or 'Made in the UK', if they wish to do so.
http://ec.europa.eu/archives/commission_2010-2014/tajani/priorities/made-in/index_en.htm
>>61137312
most likely.
I suspect either way we are coming out of this referendum with the worst of both worlds.
Its my personal opinion that the UK's best option is further EU integration. The expansion of the single market into services and digital goods would be fantastic for the british economy. But its unlikely to happen with a narrow remain.
>>61137527
>muh economy
t. soros
>>61135529
US food regulations are pretty good example what happens when regulating agency is ran by business lobbyists from business they are supposed to regulate.
>>61137426
the EU has a sheme where it redistributes money to regions that are poorer, this does not include solely eastern shitholes
cornwall and wales also get money from the EU despite UK being a net contributer
in some regards EU is more 'for the people' than state governments
In theory that money would be there to spend if UK left (there would be even more of it in theory), but there are no guarantees the they would go to those same poorer regions
that's before calculating losses from leave
>>61137559
muh economy is pretty important desu.
>>61137233
>it has taken like 7 years to sort out an eu-china trade deal because of romania.
Holy shit. Please stay and stay stay.
>>61137598
EU food regulations are a pretty good example of what happens when rich companies purposely use food regulations to punish poor ones.
Explain to me why the ocean sunfish is banned from sale for consumption in the EU.
pro-tip:
it's because it's only caught in the Mediterranean and not further north.
>>61137401
We reject completely free movement and stuff like that. Things that we don't like and that the EU doesn't overly care about, but whilst we are in the EU we all have to abide by.
>>61137501
well shit, I've never seen that, I guess we save it for exports
>>61137426
What I mean is that whilst people in London have higher incomes, they're not actually any better off because of the high cost of housing.
>>61137742
>Things that we don't like and that the EU doesn't overly care about,
>free movement
oh boi
>>61137527
Isn't it more along the lines of
>Remain and have lots of deal with the EU but unable to negotiate shit outside of it
>Leave and be able to negotiate whatever with whoever
>>61137527
If the EU government actually cared about more than the EU project I would agree. Juncker stated that governments are paying too much attention to their people and not enough to the EU, they allowed southern Europe to die in order to protect the Euro, and they allow millions of 'refugees' in. This way of working will fail because people don't like it, and Britain is only the start. Unless the EU changes to become more people friendly, we need to get out whilst we still can. Personal opinion.
>>61133831
it would keep growing until the planet is one country controlled by sick fucks that want to make everyone slaves. No rivals means the country can do whatever the fuck it wants.
>>61135284
if UK leaves the EU, the EU is set to meet on June 30th to discuss Turkey joining FYI.
UK is literally the only thing keeping Turkey out
>>61135285
>The USA was built up from wilderness by colonists and venture capitalists in the span of <500 years
>Europe had a 2000 year head start and is only marginally better
>>61137889
Hey they were happy for us to stay out of Schengen
I reckon they'd be okay with requiring work permits
>>61137918
not quite. A free market isnt a single market.
All EU nations have free trade with mexico for example but we cannot access Mexican netflix (if sucha thing exists). Tarrifs are really only a small part of what can inhibit trade.
For a really single market you need a set of centralised regulations. The EU single market is still incomplete. There is no single market in digital goods or services as of yet. The implementation of such a thing is impossible with mere free trade.
>>61137991
I want to get out this ride. UK please stay and prevent it.
>>61138005
>those colonialists manifested into existence
usa is yet to lose a total war
soon tho
>>61135942
Nothing beats travelling to a former colony turned shithole and dropping Her Majesty's passport tho senpai.
>>61138014
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHA
>>61137991
>what is cyprus
>what is greece
>what is literally every EU country that has problems with the right wing
>>61138108
Keep laughing, we'll see. The EU gets rather flexible when its existence is at risk.
>>61137638
Wales does, but honestly I've absolutely no idea where. I haven't seen any of their money. I know a lot goes to farmers, but that doesn't help me or anyone else in the area.
There's no guarantee I'll see money even if we do leave, but I don't lose anything anyway. At least the money will be spent in my own country though, instead of an art piece in some other place.
>>61137830
I know what you're saying. But have you ever taken a walk around places like Rhyl? I would be willing to bet that the average Londoner is richer than those people.
Some poorer places like Liverpool are getting better, mostly because of UK money and local investment. But the EU has done nothing for anywhere within about 25 miles of my house. Some farmer might get money but except for buying a pack of eggs from the farm shop it doesn't affect me.
I do actually work somewhere close to one Tata steel plant though. I don't see EU helping there. Plus the remain camp were only 4 minutes away from where I'm working and they didn't even say hello the cunts.
>>61138158
countries that hold literally zero sway?
if greece mattered then they wouldn't be in their current position
>>61135336
what about switzerland and belgium then?
>>61138014
shengen is optional and mostly to save on border control
free movement is forced on anybody part of the EEA
Switzerland and Norway included
EU is super autistic about it
UK can probably get a trade deal, but EEA(aka common market) means most regulations and free movement 100%
>>61133831
Literally, unironically nothing. Especially if it's the EU15
>>61138181
I spend my time between London and a post industrial shithole, and yes a lot of Londoners are much better off. But a lot of Londoners are a lot worse off and can barely afford their rent. London is just more polarised than the rest of the country, people only see the rich there, just like the south east.
>>61138192
greece is in the eurozone
if turkey were allowed to join the EU greece is out
any such shake ups are horrible for investors, and could threten the future of the eurozone and the EU
turkey joining is just scare tactics by the right. there is literally not a chance
>>61138192
Turkey has been sliding back on the reforms necessary to let it in
the closest Turkey was to getting into EU was 2004 or something
and even then it was decades away
now it would take a miracle and 50 years for them to be seriously considered
>>61138192
France doesn't want Turkey in either. Does our voice count ?
>>61138448
>denmark
weird
The only thing I have against full-blown EU federalism is that it may make the Euro cup a bit awkward. But that's about it.
>>61135612
We will decline to where bulgaria is now if we dont manage to get (useful) young citizens to multiplie asap.
Filling the gap with africans is what they are thinking of now, but I dont think this will work.
>>61138523
letting women enter the workforce was a massive mistake
>>61135990
the comission is said to be very prideful, they want a superstate a united states of europe.
Just look at the tweets of people like schultz.
>>61138448
>spain
Kek
>>61137991
Well, one of the most pro-Turkey country in the EU is... the UK, the same one who pushed for eastern expansion, and who's now bitching about it. A lot of countries are against Turkey joining, and it would only take one veto to block it.
Turkey was never set to join in our lifetimes, and a brexit makes it even more unlikely, if anything.
>>61138297
Well that's the thing, London has rich AND poor. Except the poor are being pushed out. Places I'm talking about are the majority poor people.
The places that get investment in this country are London, Cambridge and Oxford. And unsurprisingly they're not poor areas. Whether it's because of investment or not is possibly up for debate, but people do not start up companies in Wales for good reason.
>>61138613
I saw that too,
pretty sad considering they are great lads in general.
>>61138688
If you saw poor in London you wouldn't see people in your town as poor. So many people in poverty or on the streets. This is what I mean.
>>61138755
Are you under the impression we don't have homeless people?
London does have a lot of homeless I'll give you that. But that's because that's where they get the most money.
>>61137991
>if UK leaves the EU, the EU is set to meet on June 30th to discuss Turkey joining FYI.
Are we talking about this visa-free entry thing or the accesion of the country into the EU right now?
>>61138853
You don't have as many as London. And unless you're in a really shitty area, you're not worse than East or South London. My area is poor, but nowhere near as bad as many parts of London.
>>61135954
>>61136087
>>61138448
> Sweden
>>61133831
>What exactly would be wrong with a single EU super state?
Nothing.
>>61138939
Well let's not get into a contest about who is poorer or more disadvantaged because you're not going to provide source and I can't be bothered either.
The fact is, London more money than other areas of the UK. Wales gets less than England. My argument is that Wales doesn't get investment because there's no skilled workers and no other industry around. So if the EU does become a superstate, I don't see why people would think it would all be equal, instead of the EU focusing on certain areas that make money.
>>61135246
Heil Hit..oh wait..HEIL MERKEL!!!Glory to the 1000 year reich! :^)
>>61139265
But you refuse to take into account purchasing power. You can buy a house or rent in Wales for so much less, and that is a huge part of the cost of living. I'm happy to admit that Wales is poorer, but a Londoner can't afford any more. I pay £170pw for a room in London.
>>61139369
vechna slava
>>61139456
brits also use lions so who'd notice?
>>61139398
>£170pw for a room in London
>for a room
>a room
London is a shithole and they still charge the most.If i were you i'd rent a place near London and travel every day with my car.Even with travel expenses it should cost you less and you will probably get more than just one room.
>>61139575
it's p much the same in other big cities
tho yeah i can't imagine london is good. they don't even have room to bury people anymore
>>61133831
I'm ok with getting fucked by my govt in the ass, all they do is increase taxes for money that they can put into their pockets
don't need EU to fuck me in the ass too while telling me how to live and forcing idiotic regulations down my throat
>>61139398
Now you see this is another part of the problem. It would be difficult for me to move to London. Not impossible but difficult. But you could always move to Wales and if you did have any property you'd be left with a fair bit of money after moving. You've probably heard about all the people being forced out of their homes by landlords upping the rent so I won't go over that.
Now back to the point and not about purchasing power or whatever. Why would you or anyone think that money would not be concentrated in a few areas in the case of a EU superstate? London has a large area of extremely wealthy people and businesses for a reason.
>>61137129
shut the fuck up you autistic germanboo
question :
why does Turkey want to join the EU so badly
and why is it bad
please don't answer with THEY ARE MUSLIMS or they are NOT WHITE cuz if i wanted answers like this i would have went to /pol/
>>61139689
Nigga, Made in Germany is recognised as a seal of quality worldwide and has been so since the 19th century
>>61139700
>why does Turkey want to join the EU so badly
They want to benefit from the free trade and visa freedom I think
>and why is it bad
One of the main reasons would be that they do not fit the requirements nor will they do so in the foreseeable future
They are not culturally and only partly geographically part of Europe either
>>61139700
>why is it bad
Shares border with unstable countries, people are buthurt about muslems, they are about to have a civil war, lots of poor backward kurds, is increasingly autocratic, no freedom of press - people get arested for talking shit about erdogan, denys genocide, split ciprus, has territorial despites with greece and trades with Isis.
Turkey isn't joining any time soon for those reasons and many others. It was closest to getting in years ago and now it stands no chance.
The theory that it may join is mostly a political scarecrow eurosceptics and nationalists use.
>>61139575
I'd have to pay to park the car and also the congestion charge which is £10 a day. No thanks. Trains are very expensive as well. Believe it or not, this works out cheaper. Plus I get food and bills included, and a maid comes round once a week.
It would be ruled by Belgians, Germans and cuck leftists.
>>61134710
Arabic is not a bad choice. It is a non-European language, so European state can claim that another state is favored (i.e. it's a third party language) and it is the only language currently other than Chinese to have any semblance global impact already.
>>61139686
I'd not have a job in Wales though. And I never argued that London wouldn't get more money, just that you have to think twice about how wealthy they are down there.
Germany.
>>61140043
Ir3l0nd
>>61133831
HOLY MOLY SWEDEN LOOKS LIKE A FLACCID PENIS X-----------------d
>>61139920
>>61139954
I see, thanks for answering
now irrelevant a bit but im curious
would a country like Tunisia for example joining the EU cause this much trouble too?
the fact that they are not Europeans aside i mean
>>61139700
>why is it bad
They threatent Europe to unleash all their refugees if they didn't get eu visa.
They don't recognize cyprus(an eu member) because "muh turkish republic of northern cyprus".
Their president acts like a hillbilly goat fucker.
>>61139700
>why does Turkey want to join the EU so badly
turkey most likely doesn't want to join. they just want to be friendly with the EU so they get good deals
if turkey were a member, they would benefit economically. also politically (as many in turkey want their government to be pro-western). they would likely create a very relevant "muslim democrats" EU party, that would get the muslim vote consonantly.
they would get all sorts of investment, and other benefits. for example kurdistan would have p much no chance of succession.
>why is it bad
turkey is literally the only country to recognize northern cyprus (aka that occupied part of EU member cyprus, that the brits enable the turks to hold). also turkey does not recognize greek sea and air boarders http://www.geetha.mil.gr/en/violations.html
also they have horrible record of freedom of speech, jailing journalists on terrorist charges, often banning social media (like youtube and twitter), etc.
they are treating the kurds very badly, and likely support islamists organizations in the area. also they don't recognize the armenian genocide, and are in general unwilling to apologize for the atrocities committed by the ottomans (like 500 years of slavery), which ofc would instantly ruin relations with countries like bulgaria.
also the EU wants to take countries like serbia in, which sure as fuck aren't joining NATO any time soon, so the west needs to get some other form of leverage on them.
there's many more reasons . turkey has no place in the EU, and all sides know it.
turkey however can be a member in all but name, they already have to follow plenty of the EU regulations, they are in NATO, they could adopt the euro, and they could even join a free travel zone. those will have to creep in before membership. tho by then prob still neither side will want it.
>>61140040
Well I don't have to think twice. You seem to think I don't know London has poor people when that's not the case. But London does have hugely wealthy businesses and people in certain areas, nevermind those who do travel in.
On the other hand, Wales has public sector jobs or you work in some industrial park. Airbus is another really good one. This would happen with an EU superstate and I have no doubts about it. So countries like Poland would probably lose massively, as they would have absolutely no money invested there.
>>61140144
Probably more.
>>61140172
>>61140214
I see
Thanks for responding both of you
so by both sides you refer to EU and turkey? if Turkey doesn't want to join then why are they pressuring the EU to consider their application?
also do you think they can take reforms to join the EU? such as giving land back to cyprus/greece
>>61133831
Trust me, it leads to nothing but problems.
t.southerner
>>61140144
much more likely than turkey imho, but still too much stigma (because muslims)
the best bet to connect them to europe (other than colonialism) would be by rome, but i don't know how many people in those countries relate to the roman empire
it's highly unlikely in the near future. on the timeline it's smth like:
>russia balkanizes
>saudy arabia, turkey, and other islamists bombed
>north africans join EU
tho the EU by then would just be a part of a more powerful UN
>>61140467
the idea of a more powerful UN makes me wet
Libya would be in a better position now and probably with an alliance with the EU if not outright part of NATO if not for Gaddafi taking down King Idris and replacing his liberal ideas with communism
we had a federal state even
*cries*
I wish Libya is friendlier with the EU
>>61139700
Besides the mentioned reasons, some say that taking them in would denie europeans to ever become a sovereign entity in the world as the population of turkey will continue to rise and probably overshadow many overaged eurocountries in the future+their strong affliation to US interests and the nearby powers that would be our neighboors then would bind us politically.
>>61140452
>why are they pressuring the EU to consider their application
because it brings investment and better deals (like the migrant deals) and gives the people in power in turkey more political stability
>also do you think they can take reforms to join the EU? such as giving land back to cyprus/greece
highly unlikely. the people in power in turkey want all sides to like them. they want to liberals to think "oh hey we're joining the EU soon" but they also want the conservatives to think "fuck the west we'll do things our own way".
ultimately they side with the conservatives, it's possible another party will come to power but i doubt it would be soon. the west need turkey as a military ally in the region so they're letting them do whatever they want, and have no reason to overthrow their government to be a more pro-western one
>>61140662
and that's the main thing EU has going for it
people in the west think bulgarians support the EU because we get free shekels. in reality we just know the can't be worse than our own politicians. same in ukraine. it's not so much pro-eu, or pro-un. it's more anti-mafia in our own countries
even tho i say that i don't want all powerful unions, the threat of totalitarianism is too great. imo we need more localized power. tho from an economic point of view i can see your point
>>61140662
EU is very slow to move, but North Africa will be a target of coopertion for sure in the coming years
It's only logical because as USA has shown letting your neighbor countries rot is bad for your self in the end.
Everything
>>61135336
good thing no one wants that then
>>61134640
this is what one would think the EU was.... but what it actually is, is a tool in itself, by kikes, for a globalist agenda, an testing ground to fester liberalism and socialist ideas, without direction or sense of self, and is so fucking gay it would never dare call itself a superpower or aim to be one
>>61137991
you are clueless please refrain from posting any more
>>61138179
i.e. when the country that has just left and set a leave precedent wants things to go its way
>>61139700
THEY BORDER FUCKING IRAN
FUCK THAT SHIT
>>61141024
It aims to be,remember eu is NOT a finished project,it wil become a de facto federal state,and it aims to become superpower galileo gps is an example
>>61135285
>200M more people than US economy smaller than US (update your shit)
>higher inflation
>weaker military
>
>>61135285
>200M more people than US economy smaller than US (update your shit)
>higher inflation
>weaker military>>61141125
>
>>61141125
>US calling Europe strong
Yuros sure like to dream.
>>61134710
>What language should "we" use
English obviously most generations in Europe know it, and from what I've heard from foreigners it's easy to learn.
