Poland is still most euroenthusiastic country in Europe with massive 72% support for EU, even now in times of refugee crisis, brexit and political conflicts with eurocrats.
You guys should learn from us how to respect common european values.
>>60981853
wow you mean the guys who get free money are more likely to stay in the cuckzone?
France and Greece truly suffer in the Fourth Reich
>>60981919
Greece takes more money than Poland while having 4x smaller population
>>60981995
That's only because they broke their economy. You take loads of money all the time.
>>60982070
What do you mean "they broke their economy"?. Somebody forced them to take more loans that they could pay off? Besides their economy is pure shit, they produce close to nothing valuable
>>60981853
hahahhahahahahahahhaha respect common European values you say. Your fucking government is being blamed by the European union to do exact opposite. Your government is taking away your rights and increasing its own power. Your beginning to look like Russia.
>>60982070
>>60981919
This is how EU money is spent. Pic related is in Czech republic I believe.
>>60982168
We like such European Union that gives money but doesnt interfere in our internal matters and doesnt force us to bring here refugees against their will. It is a temporary conflict and Poland will probably win it after all.
>>60982202
>>60982220
>>60982203
Yeah so your only in the European Union because of the gains. Your not willing to do anything for the European Union. Like taking in refugees. This is why western countries a critically towards you. You only want to profit from the union and don't give anything back.
>>60982202
>>60982220
>>60982237
> russian expat from canada shills against european union and european security
Why am i not surprised?
>>60982299
It is not even about refugee crisis. Our government said clearly that Poland is able to accept even million refugees, but only if their dream-destination is Poland. If they begin to come to Europe with word "Poland" on their lips instead of "Germany", "Sweden" or "UK", then Poland will take them. But we can't force people to stay in Poland. How do you imagine this? We are going to build concentration camps here like Germans did 75 years ago and keep them under guard?
The real reason of EU-Poland conflict is constitutional tribunal. Polish government removed few judges who could block its legislation and who were loyal to the previous political party. It caused a massive hysteria in EU additionally boosted by Polish politicians who lost power in last elections.
>>60982496
Any country whose government decides to go down Orban's path deserves at least a reprimand if nothing else. Changing the constitution to blatantly try to consolidate power is a pretty bad sign. Also, the fact that some people in Europe are seriously discussing a ban on abortions sickens me
I really hope they build an enormous camp for 100.000 islamic refugees in the center of Poland.
>>60981853
>Poland is still most euroenthusiastic country in Europe
Wonder why.
>>60984074
The thing is, they don't have enough MPs to change the constitution, so they just made Constitutional Tribunal inoperable through numerous obstructions.
At least Orbán got strong enough mandate from the voters to change Hungarian constitution.
>>60982299
you know lad..they don't take refugees and they receive tons of euro money
>>60984145
I don't know man, good question
>>60984166
>The thing is, they don't have enough MPs to change the constitution, so they just made Constitutional Tribunal inoperable through numerous obstructions.
But Orban was sanctioned by USA, and Poland not. So looks like Poland is more democratic and liberal country than Hungary if the main protector of democracy doesn't put sanctions on us, right?
>>60984280
sanctions??? what sanctions?
>>60984313
>>60984280
Orbán is 5 years ahead of your PiS
Hungary wasn't reviewed by the EU's rule of law procedure
>>60984401
Poland doesn't care much about EU though. We are more America-oriented. EU is unable to do anything to us anyway, they can only bark.
>>60984458
>Poland doesn't care much about EU though. We are more America-oriented.
> We are more America-oriented.
how?
>>60984458
Your ties with America are also suffering under PiS
http://www.politico.eu/article/nato-poland-obama-kaczynski-russia-putin-venice/
PiS pissed off Russia, the EU and the US at once.
I don't know how can they be this incompetent.
>>60981853
FREXIT
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>>60984552
So what? You think Obama administration likes the shit you're pulling?
>but muh Trump
You think dismantling Nato would help Poland?
You guys are so fucked
>>60984605
Obama administration literally doesn't care about what we are doing. That's the point. Out strategic alliance with USA will last independently of our conflicts with EU, and EU is too weak to do anything to Poland. If Polish government didn't know about it, they would never act the way they do.
I think that it was Slovakia that was called lately "black hole of Europe" by Madeleine Albright. I would rather worry about opinion of such ultraimportant globalists than EU-journalists.
>>60984362
Oh, so you mean that when three or four Fidesz-close oligarchs were banned from the USA? That's nothing.
>>60984680
>I think that it was Slovakia that was called lately "black hole of Europe" by Madeleine Albright. I would rather worry about opinion of such ultraimportant globalists than EU-journalists.
That was in the 90s, you stupid retard.
Americans do care, but they're not hoing public with their concerns so they won't weaken Poland even further
American general in Nato sent a letter to your government where he expressed American discontent. I'm sure your media reported it.
>>60984706
Your economy is going straight to shit, additionally. Just look at your external debt and its dynamics in last years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
You are also experiencing GDP contraction
https://next.ft.com/content/881fb470-2d5a-11e6-a18d-a96ab29e3c95
Your politicians talk a lot about fences, refugees, blame mr Soros for refugee crisis caused by Russia, but it doesn't help your economy desu
>>60984074
>Also, the fact that some people in Europe are seriously discussing a ban on abortions sickens me
It sickens me that there actually exist people who think that infanticide is justifiable. If you want to murder babies so badly then just fuck off back to China already.
>>60984763
>Americans do care, but they're not hoing public with their concerns so they won't weaken Poland even further
Poland is not "weakened" though. We will get even more EU money in next years, moreover our government is giving 120 euro of child benefit for every child in Poland and it is financed by additional taxing Westerneuropean companies and banks installed in Poland.
If you enjoy being fucked in the ass by EU for free, that's your problem. We will get more money from EU, without losing practically anything. For now they bark, but they know that Poland is too big and too important to fuck with it.
>>60984518
>pissing off obongo
>a bad thing
Pick one. Besides, if we actually had any sort of problem with the polacks then we wouldn't have just deployed thousands of troops there.
>>60984893
>If you enjoy being fucked in the ass by EU for free, that's your problem. We will get more money from EU, without losing practically anything. For now they bark, but they know that Poland is too big and too important to fuck with it.
brexit soon. stupid slav
>>60984930
American administration doesn't give a flying fuck about our conflict with EU in fact. It is all "media facts" generated by butthurt euro-journalists. Next administration will give even smaller fuck, no matter if it will be of Trump or Hillary
>>60984975
>brexit soon. stupid slav
Yeah, right. They will forge results if it is needed, just like they did in Austria.
>>60984893
You won't get shit. Your stupid polack asses will be on your own on the mercy of Russia once the current form of the EU collapses (and it will). Those gypsy tier social programs won't help you.
Core of Europe needs integration, so they'll start something you, but you can be damn sure that after PiS Poland won't get invited to the club.
>>60985017
>Yeah, right. They will forge results if it is needed, just like they did in Austria.
probably
>>60985018
As if i heard our leftists... :D
You have no idea about geopolitics and current global situation. We are on the edge of creating new world order, mate. Only big and strong countries will count in this game, such countries like Slovakia and Hungary will have nothing to say and have to accept every shit without a word. Poland is important for USA from geopolitical point of view, your shithole is not, that's the main difference.
>>60985070
>Poland is important for USA from geopolitical point of view
sure lad
ironic off
>>60985070
Those new child benefits will be paid with your taxes, not from the EU, white trash.
>>60985110
Your country is an anti-EU shithole where literal neonazis get political power in the country, but you pose here as a main defender of European values and call Poles "white trash". It is uncalled for ;)
https://next.ft.com/content/106fdaf2-e46e-11e5-ac45-5c039e797d1c
>>60985018
And?
Western world is already colapsing on itself because of greed and prejudes. Western and Northern Europe will turn to islam shithole, Southern is already broken economically due to their own stupidity. You USA retards will soon go isolationist, not realizing you can't continue to be world wide superpower with it, and soon China will take your place. Russia will try to take Eastern Europe only to create a second Afghanistan which they will fail to control due to partizan/terrorist freedom fighter movements.
>>60981853
You should learn to fuck off you poor piece of shit
>>60985211
They have 8% and no other parties are talking to them
Meanwhile Poland has a far-right one-party government
>>60985238
And you will be fucked in this situation because your genius government told all your allies to go fuck themselves because Polan stronk!
>>60984862
t. Rick Santorum
You can fuck right off back to Lousiana or whatever backwards shithole you crawled out of. In the early stages (< 24 weeks) a fetus is nothing like an infant so you can take your muh infanticide arguments and shove them right back up your arse. I will agree though that contraception is infinitely better than having to get an abortion and that towards the end of the pregnancy abortion is a pretty grim business and should probably be an exception rather than a rule. In any case, it's not allowed in most places anyway except in special circumstances.
>>60985361
>told all your allies to go fuck themselves because Polan stronk!
If you really think France, England, Germany, USA or any western country would help Poland (or any country in Eastern Europe for that matter) in any kind of danger, you are retarded.
>>60985361
>Meanwhile Poland has a far-right one-party government
PiS is a pro-Jewish, pro-American and socialist party. Calling it "far right wing" is completely mistaken.
> And you will be fucked in this situation
Soon you will understand who will be fucked :D
>>60985453
So what? You want to take on the whole world alone?
Everyone will shit themselves because of John Paul II and your strong catholicism
>>60985483
>PiS is a pro-Jewish, pro-American and socialist party.
LMAO
How would Polish far right look like if PiS is too left-wing for you?
>>60985534
PiS is not far right wing party. That's how European press calls them. They are liberal even in comparison with German CDU.
>>60985558
>They are liberal even in comparison with German CDU.
Stop shitposting
>>60985587
You are shitposting because you read too much of leftist-european press. PiS can't be even remotely compared to "far right wing", because it is socialist, pro-immigration, pro-EU, pro-USA and so on and so on.
You are brainwashed by media propaganda now.
>>60985509
No seriously dude, are you really retarded?
We don't want to "take on the whole world alone". We just want to be left alone. No cavemen germans or russians murdering our civilians, no western and northern faggots trying to act superior because their country wasn't destroyed, no american banksters and corporations ruining local markets. Seriously, fuck off, all of you. We can take care of ourselves.
>>60985629
>PiS is socialist, pro-immigration, pro-EU
Are you nuts?
>>60981853
You dont care about sovereignty, democracy or free speech. Only free ahekels matter to Poolish "people".
>>60985663
A person who signed Lisbon Treaty was Kaczyński. PiS was shilling for EU all the fucking time. They launched a lot of celebrations reminding us of contribution of Jews to Polish culture and national identity. They created a pro-Israel lobby in Polish parliament. Just educate yourself, instead of reading German-funded press.
>>60985683
>You dont care about sovereignty, democracy or free speech.
Icenigger history education at it's finest.
>>60985103
We are gate between West and East.
On north is baltics sea. On south are big mountains. Our country is strategic point for military, trade and logistic.
I know it's a bait thread but the only thing Poland has done since gaining it's independence is leeching off other countries.
Nothing to boast about really.
>>60985709
Well if you cared that much you'd have actually done something instead of sit around waiting for the Soviet Union to collapse, then decide that you actually liked the west and money and not queuing for medicine.
>>60982299
>taking in refugees
>doing something for the union
wew
>>60985683
This
Polan need the EU shekels and free movement for cheap construction jobs
Do Polan even contribute anything to the EU?
>>60985394
>I love murdering children
Dumb cuck
>>60985683
Wew first constitution in europe was polish one. We wuz fighting for idependence and freedom of our and other countries and nations.
Lack of freespeech or democracy in Poland is lie.
This founded by germans manifestations are not beaten by police. Police not using gas or water cannons. THAT this happening in germany and france. They have lack of freedom not we...
>>60985756
>sit around waiting for the Soviet Union to collapse
Oh wow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozna%C5%84_1956_protests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Polish_political_crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Polish_protests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_1976_protests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gda%C5%84sk_Agreement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_Poland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_(Polish_trade_union)
>>60985756
We taking refugees from ruined ukraine and russia
>>60985653
>no american banksters and corporations ruining local markets
but they already do..
>>60985848
>it just so happened that communism ran out in poland when it did in the ussr
based poland xD thanks for being so WHITE amirite based. BASED.
You are niggers that someone forgot to colour in.
>>60981853
>common European values
What are those?
>>60985911
We were under soviet occupation, because UK sold us to soviets. How would you expect Poland to "get out" from soviet influence, while being occupied by second biggest army in the world? You roaches never were occupied, you have no idea what it means and what it implies
>>60985756
Oh god, You are so fucking uneducated and retarded no wonder some sand dwelling neanderthals are breeding you out of your own country.
>>60985653
>polish foreign "policy"
>unironically pursuing isolationism in the middle of Europe
How the hell would that work? I wouldn't be so mad if this idiocy wasn't having an impact on our whole region.
>>60986164
What do you mean by "whole region"? V4? You guys try to ride on Western and Russian dicks at the same time. Poland can't do it because its geopolitical position is completely different and we are basically too big for it.
>>60986164
>How the hell would that work?
It could only work if we were on an island, like britcucks or japanese are. It wouldn't work where we are, especially not with the kind of savages we border on west and east.
We don't lie to ourselves that it would work. But we also don't lie to ourselves about NATO or UE. Face it, the whole western world still believes that West=best and East=shit because of USSR. And they will believe it for many more years, because it allows them to feel superior. They would never help You or me. The best solution would be having a strong close V4 union with capitol in Visegrad, but without the shitty western bureaucracy, lobbyists and legal diarrhea.
>>60986358
I'm sorry, but even unified V4 would be too weak to guarantee us anything defence related
>>60986358
Slovaks don't leech off other countries and then bite the hand that feeds them. The growing disdain for Poland has nothing to do with East/West divides.
>>60986486
Someone smart once said that no army could possibly defend Czechoslovak borders, only a sensible foreign policy could accomplish that.
It still applies today
>>60981871
Turkroach is right eurocentrism is retarded besides Europe fucking hates Poland so Poles are basically sucking cocks of people who despise them as usual.
>>60984142
It's called Auschwitz.
>>60986558
But it is Slovak people that voted for literal neonazis and let them into government. It is Slovak governmnt that told EU to fuck itself with refugees. Besides Slovakia takes more EU money per capita than Poland.
>>60986629
>But it is Slovak people that voted for literal neonazis and let them into government.
What? They're not in the government
Poland takes more per capita than Slovakia
>>60986739
>Poland takes more per capita than Slovakia
Yeah, right
>>60985823
>reading comprehension
No-one advocated murdering children here which is not to say that a two-month old fetus is a child. I am saying that women should have a (legal) choice and family planning is a good thing. Would you want your daughter to bear you grandkids at the tender age of 14? I didn't think so. Then there are women/couples in dire financial circumstances, abusive relationships, there are fetal deformities and the list goes on. And let's not avoid the elephant in the room - sometimes people are just not ready to have a child, which is fine too. I'm not sure what rose-tinted glasses you've put on but in the real world abortions are performed whether they are legal or not. In which case it's better to do it professionally than with a coat hanger.
>>60986791
Balance between 2010-14
>>60986558
>Slovaks don't leech off other countries and then bite the hand that feeds them.
If you really thing the economical relation between west-east is only limited to giver-receiver, then you are either brainwashed or simply uneducated. Let me guess, you're one of the brexit enthusiasts that also think leaving EU will solve all the problems?
Also we don't bite the hand that feeds us. But we DO have serious issues when other countries try to shove their own ideas and plans down our throats. I know, I know. You'd want east to praise and worship the west to boost your own ego. But that's not going to happen, and only thing you can do about it is bitch anonymously on 4chin. Deal with it.
>>60986796
Abortion in all cases except for rape and when mother's life is threatened is already illegal in Poland.
PiS wants to ban in all circumstances, even if it kills mother.
>>60986868
> figures taken from reddit
Stop ridiculing yourself
>>60986929
Here's the original source and it's not reddit
http://ec.europa.eu/budget/library/biblio/documents/2014/Internet%20tables%202000-2014.xls
>>60987004
You have no right to give lesson to Poland about European values because your neonazi poor shithole refused taking any refugees. Besides your government has a romance with Putin.
>>60984763
>American general in Nato sent a letter to your government where he expressed American discontent. I'm sure your media reported it.
What drugs are you on?
>>60986907
I have nothing against the East. Russians are nice people and a worthy adversary. Poland is not so. It is a larger Belgium with delusions of grandeur.
>>60987187
>Russians are nice people
Thankfully, it is not really important what a regular crowd thinks about them. Russians are subhumans and Poland will do everything it can do escalate conflict between EU and Russia. :D
>>60987043
Your government promised to take them in, but then PiS refused to honour its obligation.
I don't like Fico either, but when he was ruling alone, he didn't try to Orbanize Slovakia like PiS is trying in Poland.
>>60987136
Wait a second. I'll post source
>>60987187
>with delusions of grandeur.
We're not having delusions of grandeur, we just refuse to become mindless western colony, gulping down every demented social policy your feminist-infected governments spew out.
We know You don't see us as relewant, and we know you want us to be submissive and compliant because of your western memes tell you we are worse then you. But i'ts not going to happen. We haven't willingly submitted to foreigners for over millenium, and we won't do it now.
Partnership? Sure.
Feudalism? No, fuck you.
>>60987351
The issue of refugees was already explained: >>60982496
>>60987043
Holy shit the butthurt.
You're scared we're gona take the gibs away from you? You better, cause Europe is waking up to the money-grabbin thieves in Brussels.
>>60987771
I worry about nothing desu. Brexit won't happen, Poland will continue to take a lot of money from our Western "friends", moreover you will be forced to protect our country to bigger degree and fund our defences.
I am pretty entertained by development of situation
>>60981853
thats because poles flood the rest of europe and steal jobs
of course they love the eu
>>60987824
Freaking lechees, you really are nigger-tier.
>>60987852
And this is coming from fucking Ireland, geeez...
>>60987892
9% of polands population is nearly all of ireland
and most irish that go abroad have an education
polish come and take working class jobs like builders and undercut their wages
>>60987933
>and most irish that go abroad have an education
It is called "brain drain", it is much worse than sending builder workers abroad whom we easily replace with even cheaper Ukrainians
>>60987980
>>60987933
pretty much this you lose educated people when they shit stay
>>60988015
the shit stay *
>>60987980
>>60988015
delet
Europeans are infected with nazism and hatred for refugees. It affects negatively their attitude for the EU.
>>60981853
You'll stop shilling for the EU once we stop giving you free money without demanding anything back, you fucking hyenas.
>>60988578
Our government doesn't shill for EU but takes money from it anyway.
>>60981853
Do you know how much investment Poland received in the last 10 years ?
It's massive, any 3rd world country receiving this much would develop.
Of course none of your countrymen would support EU.
>>60988693
This money is a handout, if i must be honest. Less than 2% of our GDP annually. If you were donating 10x more than this, it would be something.
Moreover, your companies installed in Poland earn more on exploiting our workforce and penetrating our market. I think that Poland should be more strict about it and force these companies to share their revenue with Polish people to bigger degree
>>60981853
>common european values.
I have nothing in common with Europeans more so than I do with an Argentinian.
This idea that Europeans are all alike is stupid.
And I'm not saying this in a faggy "We are all one race - the human race" kind of way.
I just don't see how people can look at a Lithuanian, a Spaniard, a Greek and a Scot and think - yeah those guys probably think identically.
>>60982202
>>60982237
looks cool
>>60988749
Europoors think that 10 bln euro / year for Poland is a lot of money :D No wonder that West is going to sewage if even such symbolic sums are a big deal for them..
>>60981853
Poland is still most euroenthusiastic country in Europe with massive 72% support for EU
kike/commie/leftist bullshit lies.
remember the saying
scratch a pole, find a jew
that is all, gentilemen
>>60989091
If it was 100 bln euro / year, i would _maybe_ say "thank you". It would be a considerable sum of money.
>>60988897
The main interest of all European countries is maintaining peace and prosperity on the continent. EU is the best guarantee of it.
>lol @ all these dumb polak kikes and commies
your welfare bux for your programs are about to be cut.
Enjoy the debt and poverty and foreigners fuck you up the pink ass hole. :^)
