Who are the best seafaring peoples of all time?
1. English
2. Portugal
3. Scandinavia
4. Greeks
5. Spain
Why are Europeans so good with the sea?
is this post deliberately made to trigger my country?
me
>>60937567
Glory to Nippon-jin!!
>>60937398
>scandinavia
>greeks
1.English
2.Portugese
3.Dutch
4.Spanish
>>60937398
1. France
2. Greece
.
.
Everyone else
>Italy, Netherlands, Phoenicians, west asians, Ottomans
>not listed
>Scandinavia over Spain
>>60937398
All these nations have been the best or one of the best at one point:
-Denmark/Sweden/Norway
-Germany [Hanseatic League]
-UK
-US
-Russia
-Spain
-Portugal
USA
>>60937545
yes, and that was all long ago
whatv'ya done lately?
>>60938005
>Sweden
>>60938050
Kalmar union m80
1. Carthage
2. Anything else
>>60938106
tfw you will never see Port Carthage
>>60937545
>tfw New Zealand's flag is the highest
>Scandinavia
Is this an elaborate ruse? Polynesian tribes covered more ocean than Scandinavians ever did.
The Athenian Navy.
>>60937545
It's okay toothpastebro, I was gonna post you guys. Hell, you invented the concept of Marine soldiers afterall, and in the 1600s you guys snuck right up the Thames river into Britain's asshole, and lit a good prtion of their navy on fire.
Admiral Michiel "Britbong Butthole Banisher" de Ruyter was a fucking badass.
>>60938106
Also this holy shit
Polynesians managed to get pretty far in just canoes 2bh.
t. Wiremu
>>60938140
fucking Romans
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The bongs had arguably the most powerful navy in the world from the 1700s until WW2
>>60937398
>Why are europeans so good with everything?
fxd
>>60937567
>japan
>good navy
>>60937398
Phillipino navies are the most powerful navies in the world.
>>60937567
W-wewlad-sempai...
1. English
2. Dutch
3. Portugal
4. Spain
5. USA
>>60937398
Cuurrently Spain because they BTFO Turkish pigs in European Cup.
>>60937545
Came here to post this. You need to revise your shitty list, OP.
Russo-Japanese War: Land and Naval in 1904-05
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFF-sSf6qVY
The sea battle at 2:41 of the movie.
>>60937398
Polynesians, they've traveled from New Zealand to Easter Island and back. All while Europeans were still living in caves.
>>60938288
Daily reminder Austronesians made it to Madagascar (Africans didn't even, lel)
>>60938415
1. Carthage
2. the Minoan civilization
3. Polynesians
....
12. england
13. spain
...
44. USA
>>60938631
I like how a russian always has to rise from his dungheap to try fling detrius at the US
is it channel 1 or 2 that gives you your news?
>>60938521
>has one victory in a certain area
>WEE ARR BESTU IN WORLD
typical beta jap autism
>>60937398
We are, ask Croatians
>>60938675
Where have you seen Russia in that list?
English, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese
>>60938631
Their modern navy is completely unparalleled.
No love for the French ITT? If it weren't for their God tier naval blockade cucking the bongs from reaching our coasts with reinforcements, our little rebellion would have been crushed and America would not have existed.
>>60937398
I don't know...maybe the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
Are you forgetting that we rule the seas now?
>>60938675
channel 1 of Carthage told me that
Our navy used to be bigger than the British and French navy combined. And we beat the Britbongs in almost every war. When we took London we used a fleet twice the size the Spanish armada.
Plus we used to trade more in Asia than the rest of Europe combined with our merchant fleet.
During our golden age it honestly wasnt even a question.
>>60938983
And before us it was Spain. After us the British. Now the Americans.
>>60937398
>forgetting polynesians
>>60938872
yeah, but we are talking about "of all time"
>>60939041
Is their Navy not, by definition, the most powerful of all time?
>>60939057
are you really going to compare modern battleships with galleries from prehistoric times? They have most powerful Navy only for last 70 years, Carthage had more than 500 years of the most powerful Navy.
>>60939057
They are. Even relative to their big size the American navy is unmatched. Especially in their capability vs the capability of other countries.
>>60939151
Ignore my flag, I'm from New Zealand studying in US so I'm not biased
I would put US in the list. Alfred Mahan wrote the book on modern naval tactics and he was a burger.
>>60939203
Screencap the wikipedia page that lists the victor of the war those "battles" take place in
>>60939192
I meant even if you take into account the size of their country they are the strongest.
Our navy was bigger at times in the number of ships, but we constructed our ships to be both merchant ships and war ships.
So we could quickly retrofit our ships in time of war.
Our navy was pretty much run by large corporations, who also owned our colonies. It would be like as if you'd wage war against Royal Dutch Shell and Unilever. And they'd use their billion dollar company resources to attack their competitors.
>>60939299
Except that Google is worth 560 billion and our East Asia Company 7,4 trillion.
So it would be like fighting 15 Googles. Plus some other companies.
>>60938983
Shame about that land border with France and Germany.
>>60939283
You mean that combined pussies?? XD
>>60938086
Their fleet was nothing compared to Denmark
>>60939199
I think the invention of the keel was more important, and nobody said about these guys ITT
>>60939420
I know. But our independence war was also against the HRE and we won. And during our goldwn age we stopped an invasion by the British, French and half of Germany once. We only managed to halt the French by turning Holland into an Island with very wide canals as borders.
>>60939008
Soon to be China and India
>>60939516
I have to see that first. India and China are still very under developed and unorganized.
After a Brexit the European army might become a fact though. Although I highly doubt they'd build a bigger army than the American one. So the USA will probably top dog for at least another 50 years or so.
>>60939474
Are you unaware Denmark was part of the Kalmar?
Vikings alone though. Each viking ship was independent so sinking or destroying ships meant nothing as each operated on its own. Surrender was an impossibility for the attackers or the attacked as the vikings were not thinking as a sovereign nation but as raiders on a gold rush.
>>60939632
You forgot ancient finn elven fleet
>>60939550
It is an interesting topic for sure. Even the way a country fights war is different between nations and cultures. Russia for example has for such a long time had a scorched earth policy because it has always been part of war for Russia to destroy infrastructure and towns if in a retreat to prevent enemy from capturing or benefiting from them. Other than our civil war we have not fought on our own soil as Russia has had to do time and time again and this can be seen in that we do not approach war in the same manner. The differing strategies in Syria show this still to be true.
>>60937398
>Amerilard education strikes again
>>60939716
Hmmmmm. Honestly present nations are a bad way to even address this question other than the present powers. I mentioned the Hanseatic League earlier because of this. The best of seafaring nations has honestly spanned from everywhere between Portugal to Russia from the iron age to the industrial revolution so Finland certainly has some claim.
>>60937398
>greeks
kek
Just put netherlands in there, or italy (genoa/venice) if you love the mediterranean that much.
I vote for portugays cause they did a lot for such a fucking small country
>>60939730
We once flooded a part of our country to sail our navy land inwards. To aid a city under siege.
But the enemy had fled when the boats arrived.
>>60937398
>no dutch
wew
>>60939848
I am aware. Fuckin' badass mayn. Get yo' shit together in present times tho!!!!!!11111ONE
>>60939632
>the best seafaring peoples of all time
I meant that if you observe the all time achievements and grandness of these two nations' fleets, you simply can't rank them as high. Denmark's fleet from 17th century onward is something Sweden hasn't quite ever matched. And Danes were Vikings as well
>>60938522
>>60938526
They probably made it as far as the South American mainland.
As Kumara or Sweet potato is a major piece of poly agriculture, but was native/endimic to South America, and was already in the pacific before the Euro's came.
And all this was navigating in canoes following the stars.
>Pity how far they've fallen now.
>>60939898
Every political party we have wants to invest in our military. But the ministers still havent do so because they want to spend their money elsewhere. Despite that the ministers constantly say they will reinvest.
This also happened before WW2. Where oir parties wanted to build up a navy in Indonesia to prepare Indonesia for war (in Europe). But the minister of finance thought it was too expensive. And we didnt want to offend the Germans. Result? The Netherlands defeated and Indonesia lost.
>>60937398
1. Englishmen
2. Polynesians
3. Portugal
>>60939908
You're not wrong. Scandinavia would have done some crazy world-domination shit had Sweden not been fucking around so much, and for what? So they can self-cuck in 2016 lmao
>>60938728
Japan defeated China in 1895.
Japan defeated Russia in 1905.
Japan defeated Germany in China and the Pacific Ocean in WW1.
>>60940108
You forgot nuclear guinea pigs 1945
>>60937398
They were surrounded by it?
A good deal of their trade came from it?
Some of the earlier cities were coastal settlements?
Best seafaring euros were the sea peoples.
>>60937545
>>60937545
I was going to say
>be Dutch
>get flooded
but we get flooded all the fucking time now ;_;
>>60937398
Good Bless America
>>60938873
This. France an Morocco were our broheims originalio
>>60939203
>failing at your ebin sneak attack at Pearl Harbor
>getting two big mufuckin' bombs dropped on yo' ass after getting your islands stolen one after another and committing sudoku en masse
Great job you filthy japs!
>>60937398
The only reason why England succeeded the Atlantic ocean was because one of the Spanish treasure fleets into Hurricane season.
>>60938370
It was the only navy that was the top in the Pacific and first to exploit navel aviation. Even British got rekt in South China Sea, bro. Japs were literally the first people to make ships that prioritized better line of sight beyond the horizon just by making the citadels taller.
The U.S. made new battleships and cruisers just to purely counter the Imperial Navy's tactics, of ships from the interwar period. If we would have continued on the current path like the rest of the nations, we would have been rekt by mostly planes.
>>60939203
>Posts Battle of Guadalcanal.
>2 Japanese Battleships lost
>Allied Victory
Wew
Modern times:
1. Portugal
2. Spain
3. The Netherlands
4. Venice & Genova
5. UK
>>60939203
>Sinking of Prince of Wales and Repulse
that doesn't have much to do with seafaring does it
>>60939203
>A fucking circle
>only 1 mention of the Phoenicians
I understand that we're irrelevant now, but come on. They were one of best makers of ships in the world, and they were spread out across the entire Mediterranean. They deserve more than this.
Ohne die Griechen läuft in der weltweiten Schifffahrt gar nichts.
>all these neets not ranking italy
there are two fucking continents named after one of us you dumb neckbeards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circumnavigations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyages_of_Christopher_Columbus
Blas de Lezo, Juan de la Cosa...
If you understand Spanish listen to this podcast about the first circumnavigation:
http://memoriasdeuntambor.com/01-la-primera-vuelta-al-mundo-2
>>60942342
>Amerigo Vespucci worked for Italy
>>60937398
1. Brits & Spanish
2. Portuguese & Dutch
3. Vikings
4. Arabs
>>60939203
>1942
Your experienced and bigger navy took one year to get fucked by the US.
>>60940108
>China
Oh, we beat a non-industrialized nation with no modern navy to even oppose is, we r Bestu.
>Russia
Oh, we beat an enemy that had to cross the entire ocean wasting resources and having all the disadvantages possible. We also beat them with English and other European built ships. Nihongo! banzai!!!!!
>Germany
Oh, we defeated an enemy pinned in a multiple front war on the other side of the planet, and to add to that with no real history of naval supremacy. BANZAI! BANZAI!
>>60938834
10/10. The rest its totally irrelevant
>>60937398
>The Spanish Armada, heir to the navies of Castile and Aragon, is one of the oldest in the world.
>The first to have rules and regulations for each warship that gave the operation unit of the fleet.
>That made possible the discovery of America in 1492.
>The creator of the modern concept of naval convoy in the sixteenth century.
>The first to circumnavigate the Earth: Expedition of Magallanes-Elcano.
>The discoverer of the transpacific route between Asia and America: the return trip Andres de Urdaneta in 1565, and establishment of the Manila Galleon.
>The creator of the first commercial route worldwide (between Cadiz and Manila): Fleets of Indians in the Atlantic, and the Manila Galleon in the Pacific.
>The creator and the first to use the Marines.
>The first to use frigates, the late sixteenth century during the War of 80 years.
>First round the world by an armored ship carried out by the armored frigate Numancia.
>The first to have a destroyer in service. The Destroyer, which gave its name to a whole saga, was designed by the Spanish naval official Fernando Villaamil in 1885.
>The first to have a submarine torpedo boat invented by Isaac Peral in 1888.
>Creator of the modern concept of amphibious landing (with tanks and unified for, land and air forces command) implemented in the disembarkation of Lavenders, resulting in an absolute success and ending the War of the Rif (1925). >The officers in charge of planning the Normandy invasion (especially its head, General Eisenhower), which marked the beginning of the end of World War II, studied thoroughly and the strategy employed by the Spanish Armada two decades earlier.
>The first armed the world to use vertical takeoff aircraft, namely the AV-8A Harrier aircraft carrier, in this case in the Daedalus. This practice was later extended to other countries.
Thx me later.
Which cunt made the biggest tourism boat ?
>>60938271
>>>>>>Dutch inventing marine soldiers
>Bruh
Literally ALL naval combat pre-cannon consisted of ramming and boarding. BOARDING. With marines. The ancient Greeks were fantastic at naval combat largely because they stuck a bunch of hoplites on each of their ships. Try fighting in confined quarters against a dude in heavy bronze plate with a bigass shield and a sword. The fact is, a big wooden structure is pretty tough to destroy without siege equipment or fire, and given how dangerous it is to have combustibles on a wooden ship, fire is pretty much a no go. Then there's the bit where siege equipment is huge, gets in the way of sails, and relies on high arcing projectiles, which makes hitting ships with anything other than a ballista near impossible. And disabling a ship with ballistae will take forever.
Then there's the fact that an all-wooden ship is literally impossible to sink without adding weights to it, so the best you can do without boarding it and capturing it is just making it immobile.
Thus, before the invention of cannons, the only safe (for the operator), effective. and widely-used naval tactics were ramming (safe because of metal-reinforced prows) and boarding. With marines.
>>60944412
WRT marines, see:
>>60944513
>Cunts younger than 2000 years claiming to have invented marines
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>seafaring PEOPLE
>nobody even mentions italians
...
I guess I expect too much from this board
>>60944791
Venetians =/= Italians
>>60944855
Actually no, venetians are Italians, Italians aren't venetians.
But I was talking about Columbus, the Caboto brothers and the likes
>>60944680
They are yankees man, cant expect nothing good from them.
>>60937398
There can only be one Scandinavian seafaring nation.
>>60937398
Spain and Portugal
>>60937398
ancient finns
prove me wrong :^)
