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>directly descended from the world's first civilized societies
>Sumerian and Akkadian blood literally courses through their veins
>now 21st century
>rest of the world just shits all over them and treats them like animals
>many refuse to even trade with them
Where did it all go so wrong?
>>60856087
>Where did it all go so wrong?
Word is their government was essentially an irl JUST Cause simulator between the US and Soviets for 40 years, and then got embargo'd to shit by most of world's developed economies and their corporations with the exception of Boeing.
>>60856087
literally Americans
>democratically elected socialist
>overthrown by Americans and Brits because >muh oil
>seppos install corrupt dictator
>disgrunted Iranians turn to clerics
>clerics seize power and make the whole country an Islamic shithole
>isolated by USA as a result
>isolated even further because they're Shia
>whole world prefers goatfucking tribal Saudis over Persians now
Iran is entirely America's fault, no matter how much it would like to deny it.
>>60856087
I think you mean Iraq anon.
>>60856087
The religious burkas taking over the country from the seculars. This wouldn't have happened if the West didn't meddle via covert agents.
>>60856257
Firuz plz.
>>60856087
Islamic gommunism
>>60856257
>>60857320
This, but even if the west is responsible for radicalisation of the muslim world we have to change it ourselves.
Iran is actually not disliked at all here.
People know their laws are harsh but have a good opinion of them due to their intellectual diaspora that fled as the shah felt.
Now that the americans stopped cockblocking us all our great companies are busy filing out economical treaties with them, while some newspapers write persiaboo articles about how we always had great relations reaching back to Goethe who admired the poet Hafiz and other flattering stuff like that.
>>60856257
This. Also unfortunately for Reza Shah, exiling Khomeini only allowed him Khomeini to gain massive amounts of sympathy and for the clerics to gain a more prominent role in society. He's a damn fool for not finding a way to prevent the Revolution
>>60856257
Mossadeq apologist pls go
What really happened:
>dumb shit backed by somehow both commies and clerics tries to force British into giving up major stragetic oil interest
>Brits tell him to fuck off
>no oil exports means no money so people get mad
>dumb shit then does increasingly desperate things to cling to power when commies and clerics turn on him, ends up trying to overthrow king
>army loyal to king tells him to fuck off, CIA then gives money to local strongmen to help get rid of dumb shit
>king takes power again, because dumb shit ruined parliamentary politics he gets away with increasingly autocratic things
>West doesn't care because oil
>king slowly goes full retard, clerics, liberals and commies all get buttmad
>king overthrown
>commies and liberals fuck up yet again and fail to effectively counter clerics
>islamic republic is installed
Zahedi did nothing wrong.
>>60858537
>king takes power again, because dumb shit ruined parliamentary politics he gets away with increasingly autocratic things
Democracy in that part of the world, it ain't gonna happen. 1979 is what happened when the inmates were allowed to get control of the asylum.
Pretty much the fault of Jimmuh Cottah for enabling that shit.
>>60856087
I've travelled to Iran.
It is actually an incredibly degenerate place. Especially in Tehran. Prostitution is rampant amongst the young and despite following the ideas of Sayyad Qatb, it is a really degenerate place.
In saying that, it is primarily a smear campaign of a country which has ended at the unfortunate end of a shitty stick. Saudi Oil interests are vested with the United States, and so Russia took the side of Iran. Each nation has become the defacto defender of the faith and leader of their respective religious movement. Israel plays a hand here, because it supports the Saudis, and acts with hostility towards Iran. This is more of a numbers game, in which they would prefer to face the weaker threat of Shia Islamic factions than Sunni factions.
Anyway, that is changing at the moment as the American attitude has switched to a disdain for Saudi Arabia and an easing of tensions with Iran.
>>60859783
>Anyway, that is changing at the moment as the American attitude has switched to a disdain for Saudi Arabia and an easing of tensions with Iran
That's mostly the current president's doing but he'll be out of there shortly.
Also SA is completely degenerate too; Riyadh has a _significant_ gay scene.
>>60856087
Islam
>>60858277
> muslims
> taking responsibility instead of blaming everything on jews and americans
I'll believe it when I see it.
>>60860647
The Saudi meme will end soon lad. It's in Iran's best interests to liberalize now, especially with Saudi Arabia and T*rkey nearing the end of the USA's patience.
I would be more confident that Iran would make it if Obama wasn't being replaced by 2 of the biggest retards on foreign policy ever to run for office.
>>60860647
American foreign policy differs very little between the left and the right.
Look at Obama he got elected on saying he would end American wars overseas, and he has done nothing but increase our military presence.
There is a lot more going on then just what the President talks about.
>>60861091
With the notable exception of George W. Bush, it's usually Democrat presidents that start wars and Republican presidents that end them.
>>60860808
>Tunisia
Literally the only Muslim country that took a sane approach to reform.
>>60856257
Yep
Also the Brits
>>60859783
Russian meddling in Iran goes back to the time of Peter the Great. They fucked around there all through the 18th-19th centuries, then again in the 1940s-50s, and now once again.
>>60858537
>this revisionist history
Cringed desu
>>60856087
>rest of the world
No. Only America and their lapdogs.
>>60861191
Don't feed the diaspora please. It is neither kind nor necessary.
>>60861191
true
Brits don't get nearly enough blame for fucking up the Middle East. I mean they're the ones who created the conditions that were then worsened by the USA
>Sykes-Picot border
>partitioning Palestine
>putting the Sauds in power
How you want your Middle East senpai?
>>60856257
>Nothing is the fault of the Ayatollahs
Your narrative would make sense if there were uprisings against the current regime. No such protests are taking place
>inb4 the /r/worldnews "they are liberalising" !!!!1!!111 meme
Puh-lease, the Ayatollah's will always have the final say in any policy or piece of legislation, therefore you can be as progressive and liberal as you like, but with men who still call America the "Great Satan" and refuse to cooperate with even the willing-to-compromise Obama administration, then no such progressive revolution will take place.
>>60861270
Brah they invented the middle east, for better or for worse the concept didn't really exist before they created states in the region.
>>60859783
>Anyway, that is changing at the moment as the American attitude has switched to a disdain for Saudi Arabia and an easing of tensions with Iran.
LMAO U WUT
>>60860647
Exactly. And it is fucking up the middle east a glorious amount.
>>60861038
>best interest
Why?
They have oil and all the money that was frozen now.
In a few years, China and Russia won't sign off on a sanction of Iran. China only did it because they allowed Iran to continue selling oil to China in 2011.
Now with far more oil connections, why would the Chinese sign off on a new round of sanctions?
No. The Iranians only incentive to liberalize is now gone.
Also, don't forget who controls Iran. He has no interest in weakening his power.
>>60861373
This man will avenge his father's death. Viva the Pahlavi Dynasty
Basically this is what happened:
>following WWI, British and Soviet encroachment in Iran prompts the army to depose the last Qajar monarch in 1925
>they appoint one of their officers, Reza Khan Pahlavi, as the new shah
>he pursues a more nationalistic course and then in the 30s becomes a committed Naziboo, even changing the country's name from Persia to Iran in 1935 (Iran being the Farsi pronunciation of "Aryan")
>during WWII, Reza Khan's pro-Berlin stance ends up provoking an Anglo-Soviet invasion
>he's overthrown by Soviet tanks in August 1941 and cedes power to his son Mohammed Reza Shah
>after the war, Stalin proceeds with his plans to turn Iran into a Soviet colony, especially so as to gain a warm water port on the Persian Gulf
>the pro-Soviet Mossadeq attempts to nationalize oil holdings which triggers the US-British backed coup in August 1953
>with Soviet influence in Iran blunted for the time being, Mohammed Reza Shah modernizes the country and serves as a loyal US ally for the next quarter century
>among other things, Iran is used by the US to operate radar posts on the Soviet border
>in the late 70s, shit starts to go down due to a weakening economy
>Jimmy Carter, stealth lover of all things Islamic, allows the Shah to be expelled
>so now Iran becomes an utter shithole and a pariah state, as well as one of the main supporters of terrorism in the region
The end.
>>60861413
Some would argue that the concept of arbitrary states still doesn't exist in the minds of a lot of people in the region.
Its still a very tribal society
>>60861511
I mean don't get me wrong I love the region. Persia is a really interesting place, and apparently the people are really genuinely welcoming. The whole extremist government thing though is a huge let down, and if I were to be proved wrong and that they were to liberalise rapidly, I would welcome it with open arms.
>>60861373
>Your narrative would make sense if there were uprisings against the current regime. No such protests are taking place
There were protests in 2011; Obama just sat and ignored them.
>>60861610
>main supporter of terrorism
>>60861615
Funny how that doesn't extend to Palestine though.
>>60861615
Yeah and that's dumb as fuck. Tribalism never worked for anybody.
Pisslam
>>60861671
Probably didn't want to meddle in the internal affairs of that nation. Although clearly that didn't extend to Syria (Libya was mostly UK and FR)
>>60861732
You're right. But nationalism and democracy can only be built from the bottom up.
Unfortunately the closest thing Arabs have to an identity is muh religion
This thread makes me sad.
MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN!
>>60861610
Which terrorism does Iran support? Only ones I can think of that can be deemed as terrorists are Hezbollah and the Houthis
Qatar, SA and T*rkey are bigger exporters of terrorism
>>60861697
>maybe if I post a picture of Iran's king terrorist laughing, it won't be true
Ha
>>60861230
No that's what actually happened
>>60861806
Looks like the region is going to fragment into microstates. That should happen and then let the states unionise naturally over time as those retards realise they could be better off working with each other rather than chopping heads.
>>60861981
>Tfw Nasser will never rise from the grave and unify the ME into a functional, thriving Arab state
>>60861787
In ObamaWorld, you only support protests if they involve Al Qaeda/ISIS trying to take over X country.
>>60861885
Hamas, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, the Japanese Red Army, the Armenian Secret Army, the Kurdistan Workers' Party, the Iraqi Da'wah Party, the Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain...
>>60861373
Why should they protest openly?
You want another violent revolution that gets coopted by whoever wants to stick his dick into Iran leading to even more crap?
Just let the clergy die of oldage and see if the youth of Iran wants to stay on their path. Protest in Iran is at the moment moatly done by cityculture being spread subtly due to its liberty of expression.
I doubt it.
>>60860647
Muslims have this thing that it's only gay if you're the bottom. Also over there, women are basically just breeding machines so your access to them is extremely limited.
>>60861610
>supporter of terrorism
I never got how they could make you belive that.
Iranians are shias, shias get targeted by bomblasts regulary in the middle east and all greater terrorgroups are sunni and receive their money from arabia and grassroot symphatisizers.
Iran may help hezbollah and yemeni uprisings, but thats not the kind of terror that tore down your towers or kills regulary religious minorities off.
>>60862374
>>60862160
>>60856257
>>60861180
>>60861038
I love diaspora. They're such chest-beating patriots that they choose to live in Western countries on welfare instead.
>>60861885
>Houthis
>terrorists
Pick one you fucking Sunni scum
>>60862148
>the Taliban, Al Qaeda
Are you serious? You can't be, you must be a troll.
Allegedly Al Qaeda and Iran formed an alliance during the 1990s in which Hezbollah trained al Qaeda operatives.[46] After the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, Iran evacuated hundreds of al Qaeda personnel from Afghanistan, allowing the formation of an al Qaeda "management council" on Iranian soil. While some al Qaeda operatives were allowed to act freely, others were placed under house arrest.[47][48] Even though Iran has assisted Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in fighting Sunni insurgents during the sectarian Syrian civil war,[49] al Qaeda and Islamic State insurgents are reportedly "under orders not to attack inside Iran in order to preserve their supply network there".[50][51] In 2014, there was speculation that Iran might sever its ties with al Qaeda in return for a deal with the West regarding its nuclear program.[50]
>>60863071
I support houthies and my hare for saudis is only exeeded by my contempt for our retard politicians that still arm and support them but you could call them indeed terrorists if you search for armed factions blowing shit up wjo are obviously affliated to Iran.
Its not like a terrorist ceases to be a terrorist because you like the cause he fucks shit up for.
>>60863042
>Literally English/German/Italian/Jew diaspora making fun of other diaspora
Thanks for the kek burger
>>60856087
When they got raped by pedophile-worshipping shitskins and abandoned the wise teachings of Ahura Mazda.
Fortunately their close neighbours knew what was coming and in time conquered Eastern Europe.
>>60863042
I'm not in the slightest bit Iranian
Just someone interested in history
>>60863042
Im actually a native, its just that iranian aligned terrorcells have never targeted any westeners directly and while I understand that america has a very paternalistic attitude concerning israel which justifies adversity we euros mostly struggle with sunni terror brought from arabia which biases us in favour of the other side which seems more tame in comparison and might be reasoned with.
>>60863754
both sides are totalitarian theocratic shitholes with shit human rights
Iran might be the shinier turd but lets not blow smoke up their ass just because they're not worse than what might be the second worst country in the world right now
>>60863754
Iranian terrorist groups pretty much codified modern terrorism during the Lebanon war Including suicide bbombing. They've changed tactics since then and focused more on non-Western targets, but they still got this ball of shit rolling.
