He was homosexual who killed all those people out of hate towards himself. It had nothing to islam. And even if it did,it does not represent all islamic cultures and its people.
Croatia
YES
Most muslims are good people with positive aspirations
I think all homos should be killed so they wouldn't get the chance to murder homos.
There are a lot of self hating gays in the world and they aren't mass murderers.
t. self-hating gay
>>60853093
There are a lot of Muslim men in the world and they aren't mass murderers
t. nice Muslim boy
>>60853115
but most mass murders in the world today are in fact muslim
t. fact knower
>>60852983
If he hadn't been a muslim but a christian he wouldn't have killed anyone.
the clear solution is more Muslim immigrants and tolerance
>>60853115
not all muslims are mass murderers but most (like 99%) mass murderers are muslims
>>60852983
And why did he hate himself for being gay? Couldn't possibly have to do with homolove being haram, could it?
i say it was self-hate that he was gay but still wanted to be a muslim. him killing the gays was a way for him to redeem himself in the eyes of allah.
>>60853163
that's gay
>>60853149
Ikr, if we just stop being evil and racist towards them they wont try to kill us anymore rite?
>>60853128
but people killing the most gays in america today are self hating gays
t. fact knower
>>60853171
it is. his still a faggot. he should have just fucked little boys instead.
>>60853150
not all white people are racist but most (like 99%) of KKK members are white. so I should judge ALL white people based on that using your logic. good to know
>>60853012
>>60853115
>not all muslims
islam is still a cancer that needs to be changed like Christianity.
>>60853269
I'm sure you are an expert religious scholar who knows what changes are the best for the world Sven
>>60853128
Most conflict is going on in majority Muslim states in Central Asia.
In the late 70's numerous guerilla style attacks were carried out in South East Asian states by radical - lone wolf - types, who were often armed with grenades.
Wherever there's military and ideological conflict, there will be extremism and subsequently mass murderers.
Islam is pseudoscientific drivel, which happens to contain more references to war than the New Testament, simply because Islam formed during the Arab conquest of the Middle East.
So yeah, it's packed full of violent verses.
Whether or not somebody interprets a verse, in order to justify carrying out atrocities, will largely depend on the environment in which they are situated.
Islam is a shit, no doubt, but the underlying cause of any form of violent extremism is always going to be a little bit more complicated than some book written by ignorant sand dwellers 1400 years ago.
>>60852983
so it represent faggotry I guess, faggots are all sick in the head
>>60853302
well, stop killing gays, destroy sharia law and giving more rights to females would be a good start.
>>60853302
I'm pretty sure it's a popular opinion outside christians and muslims
>>60853233
go ahead, judge whites if you want to. i don't give a damn.
A thorough scientific education for all, would alleviate so many of these ridiculous societal disagreements.
>>60853331
>Most conflict is going on in majority Muslim states in Central Asia.
really? I didn't know Iraq, Syria, Yemen were all part of central asia. huh
>>60853362
I agree with those things but i am a simple man with no power. I can only hope progressive values spread throughout the muslim world. if it makes you feel any better me and all the muslims in my social sphere are very feminist/not homophobic and I always call people out if they say something homophobic or sexist or racist
>>60853381
true
>>60853364
why did you even enter the thread and share opinions if you don't care about anything? get out you boring piece of shit. you are posting for the sake of posting. you like the look of ur own typing
>>60853398
You're going to start an argument over a semantic heuristic definition?
This is the definition of Central Asia that I subscribe to, as do several analysts of geopolitics and military stratergy.
>>60853456
just wanted to let ppl know islam and christianity are shit and should be removed instantly f,amiglia
after all this is 4chan and people post worse shit here every day so
>>60853512
maybe but what if God is real? I think its a possibility and if He is real he probably wants us to do what He wants innit
>>60852983
A
FUCKING
PINEAPPLE
>>60853528
Maybe there is a T-Rex with hamsters for feet orbiting an exoplanet four million light years away.
Look, our statements have the same degree of logical viability.
Although, I'd say that my example has a higher probability of being true.
>>60852983
latently homosexual muslims are the easiest to convince to be bombers or martyrs because they get convinced that if they sacrifice themselves they'll be forgiven for being gay
it basically goes: "go do this for us and instead of sending you to hell for being gay you get to go to heaven instead"
>>60853512
>and should be removed instantly
And then replaced by humanist political shit enforced just like a harsh religion or worse.
There's always something to fill the vacuum and it's rarely anything good because people are shit.
>>60853491
So what you're saying is Islam is violent
Thanks
So, why are people who were never born over there doing this? Islam spreads the idea of war needing to be waged everywhere
People like you try to get deeper and sidestep common knowledge, all you've done is run circles around yourself and explain WHY Islam is violent. We know it is, and we know it pushes Muslims towards violence who have never been in the areas you say make people violent
Listen to yourself
>>60853590
>>60853618
Science, where the only authority is transparency.
Although, I fear most humans are incapable of actually practicing science, without introducing bias through incompetence or malevolence.
I also disagree with humanist approach:
'Respect everyone's beliefs, even if they're bullshit and contribute to the retardation of human development'.
Bring on the singularity, fuck humanity.
>>60853640
You think evolution is based on chance?
Oh dear.
>>60852983
Since the "ISIS" member came here, i'm fairly certain that all terrorists are closet homosexuals, or just plain autists.
>>60853590
>tips fedora
Do you not ever wonder why you were born a sentient being in this world? Why do we have so much in common with our fellow man in what we believe? Shouldn't we serve a common purpose if we have a common consciousness? There is really no reason to think there isn't a God, not necessarily as a human-like superbeing but as a non-anthromorphic divine entity worthy of submission
>>60853733
I think you mixed something up here d00d lel. does the phrase "random mutation" ring a bell to you?
>>60853889
>He doesn't know about natural selection
>>60853627
Yes, Islam is violent, and Christianity is comparatively pretty chill.
Other than the homophobia, sexual repression and the whole hellfire thing.
I didn't say otherwise.
Why are people who were never born there doing this
Well, firstly they are almost always young males.
Youg males between the ages of 17-30 commit the overwhelming majority of homicides worldwide, and always have done, as our psychological mechanisms for homicide are far better developed.
Young males typically feel the need to belong to some form of coalition, and therefore some form of in-group.
All humans have an inherent in-group/out-group mentality, which is particularly prominent in males.
Western society undoubtedly views Islam as the ‘other’, while Islamic culture is typically conservative and averse to assimilation.
Therefore, you have an in-group that satisfies the coalitional need, while offsetting potential feelings of otherness stemming from the starkly different nature of the dominant culture that surrounds you, and you believe that fellow in-group members are being attacked by members of this dominant culture, in this case the US or the West in general.
Add a religion to that mix, whose verses are pretty combat heavy, and you’ve got yourself quite the clusterfuck.
Therefore, young males in such a situation are more likely to kill a bunch of people than others.
>>60853422
you guys sound like shitty muslims.
>>60854234
I mean if being homophobic is your thing dont expect us to support your bullshit. thats all im saying.
>>60853889
>Do you not ever wonder why you were born a sentient being in this world?
Yes, and so do many others.
They're called scientists, and their job is to figure that stuff out.
They've done a cracking job so far.
>Why do we have so much in common with our fellow man in what we believe?
Because we are the same species, you sausage.
>Shouldn't we serve a common purpose if we have a common consciousness?
We do not have a common consciousness, nor do we serve a common purpose.
If we had a common consciousness, we wouldnt be having this discussion, and our purposes are all rather different, as we only share 50% of our genes with any given person.
>>60853975
I don't even know where to begin.
>>60854285
>They've done a cracking job so far.
no they haven't, answer my questions then.
>Because we are the same species, you sausage.
yeah but why??? and why were born into this species? why are there even common species?
>If we had a common consciousness, we wouldnt be having this discussion, and our purposes are all rather different, as we only share 50% of our genes with any given person.
OK you are misunderstanding what "common consciousness" means completely first of all, and the bit about 50% of our genes is just completely false. and the question is should we to aspire to a common purpose if we can recognize a shared experience
>>60854280
are you self-identifying as muslim and accepting of homosexuals? the two are incompatible
>>60853975
>>60854313
I wouldve thought British fedora man would actually understand natural selection and evolution before arguing about it kek
>>60852983
>Pledged allegiance to the Islamic State
>Yelled ALLAH AKHBAR during the shooting
>His wife knew about it his plans and drove him there
>"i-its not brcof Islam! Christians are just as bad!"
You apologestic self hating cucks truly are the worst of the worst.
>>60854352
not sure if salafist, edgy /pol/turd, or reddit liberal
>>60853233
I wonder why mexicans don't stay in mexico or blacks did not movr or don't move to liberia.
MAYBE because the white man actually build sth nice to live in.
>>60853269
I completely agree Sven
We should not, however, blame all Muslims in the meantime.
>>60854333
>>60854393
99% of Nazis were German. just saying.
>>60854333
Ok I shall.
Why were we born into this species?
We weren't, we are this species.
We only share a maximum of 50% of our genes with another person, for example our parents, siblings and offspring.
Genetic relatedness gradually tapers off the futher you move away from those individuals, for example you are only 1/8 related to your cousin.
I will reply to your questions, but I fear you are not sufficiently prepared to receive the answers.
Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
Anyway, I'll reply in a second.
>>60854387
all of the above - but more importantly, someone who has even a basic familiarity with Islamic scripture.
>>60854453
I think you over use that word.
The big difference is we changed and can prove it with our actions.
Protetcing minorities is important but importing them should not be done when it damages the nation.
>>60854472
In which case you would know the Quran is completely contradictory and while some passages are violent, a lot of them insists on the importance of mercy.
Killing gays isn't in the 5 pillars of Islam.
>>60854472
>someone who has even a basic familiarity with Islamic scripture.
lololol no you dont
>>60854471
>We weren't, we are this species.
This doens't mean anything at all. a reductionist tautology
>We only share a maximum of 50% of our genes with another person, for example our parents, siblings and offspring.
>Genetic relatedness gradually tapers off the futher you move away from those individuals, for example you are only 1/8 related to your cousin.
OK well duh but most of those genes are literally exactly the same. Yeah if you are talking about literal gene transfer to offspring, but that's obvious and not particularly relevant
>Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
yeah lol. enlighten me oh smart one. tell me more about which wikipedia pages you've read!
>>60854333
>>60854471
Actually, you know what you've bested me.
I'm stumped.
I'm gonna head down to the local church now and get baptised.
>>60854549
Why are all countries in which homosexuality is punished by death majority muslim states?
Check matey-mate.
>>60854574
why? how do you know God is real? what makes you believe in the Bible and the Holy Trinity over the other Abrahamic faiths?
>>60854557
Yeah, exactly, you're right man.
You got me.
>>60854593
this is false tho. you made that up
>>60854599
Omg you're right, how do I know?
Help me choose! Please! I'm new at this!
>>60854549
the five pillars of Islam is insufficient to describe and dictate the full breadth of societal governance and everyday human conduct.... eating, drinking, and breathing are not among the pillars either - maybe stop doing those as well?
>>60854628
if you are too stupid to think for yourself that's your problem, not mine.
>>60854636
watch this video lecture on the textual basis for views of homosexuality in islam https://asharisassemble.com/2014/10/27/the-truth-about-homosexuality-in-islam/
most muslims and non-muslims get it wrong actually
also as a general rule of thumb anything that isn't in the quran is more open to debate
>>60854626
Honhonhonhon.
http://www.thegayuk.com/where-in-the-world-is-homosexuality-punished-by-the-death-penalty/
>>60854688
Uganda (christian country) was on that list last time I checked but I guess they changed it recently. its a life sentence there now, not death
>>60854737
Better, right?
Jokes aside, the problem I have is that even the mor advanced mena countries are like that.
Especially them, somehow.
Might be a dick move, but I expect better from them than the africans.
After all they have more money,ability to get a decent education etc etc.
At least before everything got blown up by sectarian struggles heated up by foreign intervention.
>>60852983
>History of anti-western tirades
>Openly hates western ideals, preaching it in his mosque, not just gays but all things western
>Professes allegiance to ISIS on facebook and praises Allah with it
Yeah it had nothing to do with the religion of peace, he was just self hating. As you can now see that means Muslims can also be gay and therefore they're ONE OF US, LET MORE OF THESE MISUNDERSTOOD PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY.
I was never one for conspiracies but holy shit am I starting to believe.
>>60852983
Something we can all agree on is that this isn't your textbook islamic terrorism.
>>60855003
>this isn't your textbook islamic terrorism.
>Praiess ISIS
>Walks into public place
>Screams Allahu akbar
>Kills people
No, it seems like run of the mill Islam, really.
>>60855003
Like that guy who attacked a sikh temple because he thought they wree muslims.
Still musslim terrorism or in case of whitey...muslim hate crime.
>>60852983
He was gay, and killed his own people. I think we should give him the pass.
he was self-hating because he was muslim
in muslim countries gays get lynched
Does this mean fags are mentally ill and prone to extreme violence?
>>60854683
pretty impressive amount of damage control going in that blog post. simply, the phenomenon whereby something is "difficult" to prove in the face of law is not synonymous with acceptance. nothing that cute eurasian imam said was contradictory to anything i have put forth.
>>60852983
he looks gay to me. muslims are all gay.
>>60855076
if it was a radical christian, we would agree that it was a deed motivated by christianity.
>>60852983
So can we ban homosexuality?
>>60855088
That is already well-documented fact, anonjärvi.
>>60855102
sort of
doctrinally the bible says 'gays are bad' but the new testament doesnt say much about going around killing niggas.
>>60855102
If he was shouting stuff like "god will judge you in the afterlife be cleansed in the blood of the lamb and fire before the eternal enemy of the soul takes you" then it would definitely classified as christian terrorism.
He wasn't though, he was shouting "ALLAHU AKBAR", which according to leftist media means he was 100% secular terrorist.
>>60855161
Exactly, there are enough bible thumpers who call themselves christian and have the stuff to prove it in the old testament.
We can't decide who is muslim/christian or not.
Especially if the stuff they talk about is a part of canonical accepted texts.
Rather, islam is used as a tool by him as it was by others.
This has often been the case in human history: Those with power use religion as a powerful weapon to control people and direct them. It allows you to override things like common sense and morality.
In a wider historical context, we can see that this is the culmination of a century of American imperialism. And you reap what you sow, Americans. If you play with fire you get burned, and if you meddle too much in others' business, eventually they get fed up and take to arms.
>>60855091
>what is confirmation bias
I knew white people were stupid but you can at least try. I used to live in MoCo btw... total shithole imo
>>60855351
Are you a Sven or a Somali.
Please be honest.
Not that they didn't bring muslims up against them, but by that logic deporting all of them would do wonders.
>>60855429
>White people stupid, repas the rewards of western society.
>>60855528
pretty much. White people just let the smart minority of them and do the legwork for them, reap all the benefits and then act like they individually earned it on their own. literally nobody who gets offended on behalf of white people has accomplished anything useful in their lives
>>60855351
The award for the most pretentious and stupid post ITT goes to this guy right here
>tfw there are no muslims in Colombia
Feels good man
>>60852983
who cares
SHITSKINS OUT OF EUROPE
>>60855630
Colombia has somehow accomplished more mass murders than most muslim countries in recent history. congrats on smashing stereotypes, terrorists and mass killers can be non-muslim too
>>60855603
Didn't your time in /pol/ teach you to not attack the speaker but rather the argument, Pekka?
>>60855429
so you're done? just like that?
it was fun
>>60852983
>It had nothing to islam.
It had. FBI knew about it. But here we have american bureaucratic stupidity, where left hand does not know what right hand is doing, and no effective cooperation between FBI, CIA and police was shown. Good fckin job, guys, bravo.
>And even if it did,it does not represent all islamic cultures and its people.
That's a disgusting thing muslim like to say. Thing is, not all birds are sparrows, but all sparrows are birds, and it is right when you hear about another terr attack to expect it will be muslim. And you need to know that to fight with it, and you need to work with it.
Because today we have countries with rhetoric of denial of connection between such attacks and islamic terrorists, and we have usa who doesnt want to know how it fcked up in middle east and how it supported every islamic terrorist group at its conception, so not only they now have problems, but the world. It went too far, now you don't even need to be part of ISIS or something else to decide to do an attack, you just need to be a victim of their propaganda, become fanatic and go kill.
>>60855819
memes
>>60852983
Islam made him hate himself because Islam hates gay
>>60853093
being a self hating gay is basically being mentally ill
being a muslim means your a childfucking cunt
His wife just said he did it because he was a jihadist and she went shopping for ammo.with him you fucking kebab enabler
>>60855938
Homosexuals aren't human. He did the right thing and should be considered a hero but what the hell are you doing? Islam is a shit again just like usual when we already know that's true. You do not need religion to recognize this feat as plain heroism.
>>60856335
just let them try to good talk all the islamists, it's funny to watch
The solution is clear, we kill all gays and muslims
>>60856578
and Merkel
>>60856541
>Panties showing
Haram to eat pork on Ramadan
>>60856635
>>60856384
>>60855351
(You)
Deja Vu much
>>60856195
Being gay period is being mentally ill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWIukTZ7jd4
>>60856650
>tfw only good thing about Islam is this lewd drawing of a girl eating melons
Cuter than Christina-chan desu
>>60852983
But I don't care about "normal" muslims feelings. If they feel misrepresented, it's not my problem. I would really throw them all out just to get rid of the small extreme minority.
>>60856773
we'll obliterate you in the process cumskin. be careful which battles you pick
>>60856773
That would be just fair, it works like that with guns, one of a million shoots guys, everyone goes apeshit and want to ban all guns, one out of 100musl. kills people they dont want to throw aml out, like wtf
>>60856832
lol, daily reminder the muslims are still 2nd rate citizens and a minority with no real power
they're only here because the european left wanted it
>>60856832
t. Cumskin pretending to be a Muslim aka true keyboard warrior
>>60856832
And yourself aswell, atleast you'd go out with a boom
Who was his name again?
>>60856848
it's a stupid comparison, it's nothing like gun politics at all
throwing them out is about more than just safety, it's about european identity, values, preserving Europe and the European people etc.
>>60856903
Gunslinger Alibaba
>>60856856
1 billion muslims vs all 5 people who live in Norway... who will win???
>t. abu al-taqiyya akbar
>>60856956
jeez, what are you smoking?
So, he was fag. And isis claimed the responsibility for this act. It's kinda funny.
Kirito: Hero of Heterosexual Men
>>60856919
It's about the same tho, except a gun never kills on it's own
>>60852983
Wouldn't there be a net positive effect if every muslim stopped being muslim.
>Father is a Taliban sympathizer
>Mateen was suspended from school for standing up and cheering during 9/11
>Investigated for years for having links to Islamic radicals, but nothing conclusively illegal found
>Literally pledges allegiance to ISIS during the attack
I'm sure him being a repressed homosex was part of his motivation. But to ignore the role ISIS and radical Islamic ideology played is pretty fucking stupid.
>>60852983
>He was homosexual
(Citation needed)
>who killed all those people out of hate towards himself.
(Citation needed)
>It had nothing to islam.
(Citation needed)
>And even if it did,it does not represent all islamic cultures and its people.
(Citation needed)
>>60855038
He pledged allegiance to a bunch of terrorist groups, most of which are fighting with each other. I'm sure Islam was a factor but he was also a classic American mass shooter nutjob
Not all Americans are spree shooters but most (99%) of non-war gun crime happens in America
>>60858824
Yes. This is true of all religions, but islam and judaism most of all
>>60860575
You realize a bumch of those didn't exist 10 years ago and were allied/at war at one time.
ISIS only appeared in early 2014.
He has been consistent. It is a meme that he has not been.
t. /meg/ on /k/
>>60852983
he wasn't a homosexual
his wife confirmed she drove him to the club specifically to scout the place before the attack and is not in process of probably getting charged for it.
http://nyti.ms/1Uyhj4p
>>60861259
now*
>>60861151
Al qaeda is the precursor to ISIL. Even though names change the entities are largely the same
>>60861259
>afghan
defo a homo
>>60861617
he wasn't gay
deal with it
>>60856832
>mfw a "moderate" muslim shows his true colours
