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>Americans will defend this
Never been fishing, Cecil?
>Bongistanians will defend this
>>60842594
yup
>>60842594
>locked in a display cabinet
I see nothing wrong here
Without Arma Lite, how can yankee defend self against Fed? Everyone knows after Ruby Ridge and Waco you cannot trust them.
Hail to The Order 14/88
>>60842594
why can't you return a firearm ? like, imagine if it has some default or some shit. and you just can't shoot in the Walmart just to be sure it works good before buying it
>>60842594
I honestly wish that i could go to a gun store and it was as easy as America.
But the lefties hate fun lmao
>>60843024
>like, imagine if it has some default or some shit. and you just can't shoot in the Walmart just to be sure it works good before buying it
If its default you talk to manufacturer.
A gun is like a car; no return policy. Once it leaves the store, condition plummets.
>Britbongs can't defend this
Don't you have a bike wheel to be confiscated?
>>60843065
Immigrate
>>60842594
Bait, I wish we had the same rights as they did. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
>>60842594
They aren't loaded.
>>60843065
the future you chose
I don't want to turn this into a /pol/ thread but what is the general consensus on gun ownership there? I've heard mixed things.
sir i need you to put the television down and step back I SAID PUT IT DOWN
>>60845260
>>60842679
Shut up ya mongs do you really want all tv to be made by some rich fat kikes?
>>60843065
I predict guns will make a comeback in Australia.
The country has a small, but steadily growing gun support community.
Can someone explain to me why gun makers and gun owners want the AR-15 to have that tacticool look?
Just paint that shit in typical sporting rifle earthly colors. Remove the retarded rails.
>>60842594
>Buying an expensive precision tool at Walmart
Fucking Yanks.
>>60845408
>implying where you buy it affects how it was made
Granted I'd rather support local dealers than give money to Sam Walton's kids, but that's a shit argument.
>>60843024
If something is wrong you can contact customer support or send it back, guns are mechanically simple though so simpler return policies don't exist through sellers. Gunsmiths handle repairs but for the most part you shouldn't run into any problems from any reputable manufacturer.
>>60845389
Black isn't a sporty tactical look for that specific gun though, it's the default color. Why would you color polymer deep brown?
>>60845260
>their state has a few government channels, mostly comedy, sci-fi, some banter and some news, funded through taxes
>REE I'MA POST ABOUT THIS ON DA 4CHINS
>his state has underfunded charity-based channels which nobody watches, and dozens of channels with "news" funded, hosted, and presented by every lobby nameable, but even though it's a 24/7 advertisement pipeline into every home in america it's not even free
>muh freedums like if you crie every tiem :')
>>60842594
I actually respect their freedoms
>>60845651
>a mandatory licence and standard taxes are the same thing
Ok
>>60845583
Tbh if you gave it a woodgrain stock and handguard it would probably look less scary and calm the libshits down a bit.
>>60845583
>Why would you color polymer deep brown?
My point is, the AR is best suited as a small game hunting rifle.
It doesn't need to look cool or scary.
And it certainly doesn't need rails. What for?
>>60845953
You do realize the AR15 isn't the only gun that exists right? Everything you want already exists in many other guns.
>>60845866
>look less scary and calm the libshits down a bit
Yeah, no. Doubt it a lot. They call the cops when kids carry bright-orange airsoft guns.
Walmart does not even sell them like this anymore.
>>60845953
Bipods? Scopes? Flashlights? IR lasers?
>>60842594
>americans can buy AR15s at walmart and yet have 1/5th the violent crime of britburkas when they ban kitchen knives
>>60842594
>يتم البريطانية ØŒ والØصول على مسلم
>>60842594
The hell I will; cheap plastic ARs are dogshit. You gotta go with milled aluminum.
>>60845866
It would also be much more expensive, heavier, less modular and less durable.
>>60845866
So like a wood version of one of these?
>>60842594
what do you have against guns my islamic friend?
>>60846088
then the cop proceed to kill him lol
>be american
>get shot
>>60843065
I agree with the first guy - fuck off to America.
>>60846893
The toy gun may have been orange, but the kid was black enough.
>>60846607
you're a disgusting human being, you should be ashamed of yourself
>>60846607
>Giving weebs guns
This is why you need background checks
>>60842594
i imagine the quality of guns from wallmart are pretty poor, would that be a correct assumption?
>>60846893
it looked exactly like a real gun.
one of these is a real gun and one is the toy tamir rice had. can you tell the difference.
>>60842594
I would too. We only have guns at outdoors shops and such, not general stores. Unfortunately.
>>60844937
no need for rampart gun ownership here
if you want to hunt you can get a gun for hunting, if you need it for farming you can get a gun for farming. guns aren't toys that you should just be able to obtain if you want one, and as for standing up to a tyrannical government you just have to place your faith in the army/police force would protect their family and friends over some faceless government organisation.
>>60846607
can you post your fedora collection too?
>>60847028
Top is fake right?
>>60847028
Its the one with two safety's
>>60846607
Dude. Those are mine.
>>60847046
>guns aren't toys
I beg to differ.
>>60847089
grow up mate they're designed to kill things
>>60847089
Yeah see, that's the distinct difference between American and Australian culture.
>>60846607
>image name
this is bait taken from somebody else baka
>>60847101
Not sure I see your point.
>>60847156
>dude POW POW lol me and guns are like wow so tight :D :P XD
fuck off child
>>60846241
>self defense
I'm sure they're being very conservative with what they classify as "self defense" lmao
It is endlessly amazing to me that people in other countries seem to think the US is riddled with gun crime.
We don't actually have much gun crime. If you cite our crime statistics, knives still kill more people over here than rifles. Roughly five times as many.
First you have to subtract about 50% of the gun deaths from suicides, which count as homicides and gun crime, so that lowers the number substantially.
Then you have to account for the fact that black people and gang related violence comprises about 60% of the deaths in all guns, primarily handguns. So that lowers it even further. Gangs will kill when the gangmembers need money to survive, so it's intimately related to drug crimes and a lack of mental healthcare. Two things more readily accessible in different countries. Gang warfare wouldn't cease because you cease making guns legal, it'd just increase the prevalence of illegal guns.
Then you subtract the thousand someodd deaths via police shooting in the course of duty.
You come down to about five thousand deaths/crimes involving guns in the US per year. Vehicular homicide kills what, 40k? 50k?
The US still has more people die from bare knuckled brawls and from people using hammers than actual gun crime. And you can't even really factor terrorism in, because if they lacked guns, they'd use bombs.
>>60847164
Make me.
>>60847193
ah yes a thought provoking rebuttal
well done mate full marks
>>60847101
>designed to kill things
For that matter, so is hand sanitizer.
>>60847177
>50%
63%
>>60847146
Me, actually
>>60847240
Oh don't be a smart arse you know exactly what he means.
>>60847240
clearly there is a huge difference between hand sanitizer and firearms, mate
mortein's also designed to kill things, so are mouse traps but we're not going to ban them because people dont go out, buy them, and then go shoot up a shopping centre, school, etc
i'm not even suggesting that you lot ban your guns, i just dont like the attitude a lot of you seem to have towards them. furthermore, i don't think citing the 2nd amendment is a valid argument for a number of reasons.
>>60847256
For fucks sake Finland I thought you were cool.
>>60847278
It is, it's why I have guns and animoo.
>>60847258
I know people who have had firearms for 50+ years and who have only ever 'killed' paper targets and clay pigeons. Should they relinquish their rights because some self-loathing arab faggot shot up a gay bar?
>>60846241
>the ar15 was the gun used at sandyhook, darkknight shooting, san bernardino, and the faggot shooting
but selfdefense right?
>>60847276
>furthermore, i don't think citing the 2nd amendment is a valid argument for a number of reasons.
Why not?
>>60847276
>i don't think citing the 2nd amendment is a valid argument
Your opinion on it as a non-citizen is literally irrelevant.
>>60847307
well because it was created at a time when they were using fucking muskets, wasn't it? it's called an amendment (hence its not cast in stone so it can be change), how do you define the right for a "well regulated militia" to bear arms? can you just let them be held in a communal vault until such a time as they're necessary?
>>60847315
well then dont fucking start a thread then you dumb as dog shit retard
>>60847276
What's the difference between dying because of a firearm, and dying because of a kitchen knife? :^)
>>60847306
>illegally modified AR-15
ftfy.
>>60847101
You ever light off fireworks in your cunt?
>>60847046
you do need them as protection against the government, sure right now we all live in great countries with fair and just governments but who knows how things will be in a hundred or two hundred years from now.
>>60847276
>i don't think citing the 2nd amendment is a valid argument for a number of reasons.
hmm.
>>60847339
>well then dont fucking start a thread then you dumb as dog shit retard
I'm clearly not OP, and you seem upset.
>>60847256
/k/orbo's comm/a/do
you're very sugoi oniichan
>>60847339
>well because it was created at a time when they were using fucking muskets, wasn't it? it's called an amendment (hence its not cast in stone so it can be change), how do you define the right for a "well regulated militia" to bear arms? can you just let them be held in a communal vault until such a time as they're necessary?
Yes, at the time the common people could own everything that was available to the military. That includes cannons and warships. The exact same applies to this day.
Also, claiming that 2A is only for muskets is like saying the first is only for printing press, not internet and telecommunications.
>>60847294
I'm not going to debate you. I've done enough of that over the years both here and even when I was in the US. I respect that we're different countries with incompatible notions of firearm rights and privileges.
But by doing some fallacy bullshit of:
> guns = killing machine
> Sanitiser = killing machine
> Therefore guns and hand sanitiser should be banned
Is just fucking ridiculous. Have some self-respect and actually put some thought and substance into your arguments. Don't be a facetious turd.
>>60847339
your right and the first amendmant was passed in a time before rapid communication and the internet .
>>60847306
It's like you're saying Nisan or Toyota sedans are the deadliest cars on the road because they are most often in car accidents.
>>60847339
The Supreme Court ruled that just being alive and an American citizen, you are part of a militia. It's a personal right, not a communal right that extends only to a collective. The founding fathers actually were quite adamant on the whole 'tyranny needs to be shot to death and shown who's boss' thing.
And you're right. They did only have muskets back in the day. And no body armor capable of defending against them. In essence, they knew exactly what they were doing when they said an army of citizens had the right to each have a boomstick capable of penetrating all but the most well fortified walls and killing all but the biggest of animals. And what they were saying is: It is never illegal to defend yourself from assault or battery, and you are reserved the right to the means to do so against any force.
Logically speaking, since the standards of defense against guns were what they were at the time, they'd probably be in favor of citizens with armor penetrating rounds and explosive ammunition, given exactly why they wanted the citizenry to be armed in the first place.
>>60847352
yeah i think that's a fairly valid reason but why do you need handguns for that?
>>60847362
>you are just mad sweety ;)
o.k.
>>60847376
>>60847409
the 1st amendment is infinitely less harmful than the 2nd
>>60847386
>Therefore guns and hand sanitiser should be banned
I never made that argument.
>>60847339
>how do you define the right for a "well regulated militia" to bear arms
Also you misunderstand this part, the right is not the militia's, it's the right of the people. Well-regulated means "in working order", it does not imply regulation imposed by some entity.
>>60847413
>Logically speaking, since the standards of defense against guns were what they were at the time, they'd probably be in favor of citizens with armor penetrating rounds and explosive ammunition, given exactly why they wanted the citizenry to be armed in the first place.
well then why do you look up to these people if they think such ludicrous things like that?
>>60847376
Finland you are my bro and I love you.
>>60847422
>need
You seem to have trouble with the concept of "rights".
>>60847422
>the 1st amendment is infinitely less harmful than the 2nd
Freedom of speech is the most powerful weapon of all time.
>>60847422
self defence.
>>60847445
but plenty of rights have been retracted in the past so it's not like removing rights is unheard of
>>60847465
maybe thats why your government is censoring it
>>60847481
>maybe thats why your government is censoring it
I don't disagree. Did you think I would ?
>>60847501
no i didn't say that to provoke you
>>60847422
>the 1st amendment is infinitely less harmful than the 2nd
Then why do they say that the feather is stronger than the sword?
Also, the 2nd A explicitly give the citizens the right to own guns in order to be able to form a militia if need be, not to only own them when they are part of the militia.
Other countries, other laws.
>>60847481
>but plenty of rights have been retracted in the past
One amendment prohibiting the consumption/sale of alcohol. And it created the mafia so it was revoked a few years later.
We don't take amendments to the Constitution lightly.
>>60847440
'Ludicrous'
Why do those whom abuse animals prefer to do it to soft, small, defenseless ones that have neither the mass nor often the instinct to fight back when cornered?
Because bullies like to reserve their most abuse for those whom are not a danger to them. Which is why you seldom see people who like to crush animals try and bully around wild boars, moose or bears. Because they know if they piss those fucking animals off enough, they will be destroyed by overwhelming force.
It's a very good 'act right' scenario, and nobody that holds office or tries to subvert peoples rights should EVER forget this.
>>60847424
you linked the two with the implicit notion that they serve the same purpose and thus should be treated similarly in order to undermine his argument.
It was a shit assertion. Like I said, have some self-respect and actually argue your views with some level of articulation and logic.
>>60847422
>the 1st amendment is infinitely less harmful than the 2nd
First of all, I would disagree with you there. Words are the things that move entire nations.
Also, the "dangerousness" of the second amendment is not relevant, as it is an inalienable right of the people that's enshrined in the constitution. If other people misuse their natural rights, you should punish the individual, not the collective. Just as you would punish someone who drinks and drives and kills a kid; by throwing the idiot to jail and not trying to ban all cars in the name of public safety.
Banning guns because someone shot faggots in a bar is as wrong as banning free speech because someone called you a nigger, nigger.
>>60847551
I'm fairly sure he was implying that you shouldn't ban either.
The design of the item which was used to commit a crime is altogether irrelevant, what remains is the crime itself. If you kill someone with a spoon, you are equally as guilty as you would be if you shot him.
>>60847444
Y-you too
>>60847475
jesus christ where was that shot ? russia ? remind me to never visit that country for any reason.
>>60847551
>the implicit notion that they serve the same purpose
That may have been inferred, but not implied.
>argue your views with some level of articulation and logic
On 4chan..? Why bother?
>>60847616
I'm guessing Brazil.
>>60847339
Ever heard of the Puckle gun?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun
>>60847616
brazil
>>60847028
if you watched the video of the shooting you'd see how unjustified it was
the kid wasn't pointing it at the police when he saw them, the police car literally skids next to him and the cop shoots him without the kid doing anything
i'm definitley no DINDU NUFFIN but seriously
Since yanks have a de facto military industrial bribery system as their government and a standing army who gets their paychecks from said sources the 2nd amendment is pretty much only thing keeping murican public in the voting loop.Otherwise it would have been oppressive dictatorship since red scares in the cold war.
I actually believe that if Funland sometime soon abandons the conscript army,we might need similar concrete plan b if some right or left wing extremist tries a coup.
Since the president controls the army basically and interior ministry the police and now the numbers are pretty even,its impossible to stage a effective coup here.
>>60847686
He'll never huehue again..
>>60847719
>i'm definitley no DINDU NUFFIN but seriously
That's the travesty that BLM should rally around, not the gorilla in St Louis.
>>60847758
That's true. they argue about a very questionable confrontation with that michael brown shit but don't even touch the basically inarguable tamir rice case
>>60847686
is he alright?
>>60847807
he actually got stronger.
>>60847719
the police car comes up and he reachs in his waist band to pull out the toy gun thats when they shoot him. thats pretty justified are you suppose to wait for them to shoot you before you find out if its real or not?
>>60847101
They were made to defend oneself.
First firearms, by the Chinks, were used to defend their cities from the mongol horde.
>>60847875
fugg :-DD
>>60847028
Bottom is a real gun, 1911 should have a straight pull trigger, not a pivoting one. Besides that, the upper gun has a slide-mounted safety and lacks the notch which locks the slide when safety is engaged. Also the slide release looks odd.
>>60847875
I feel like this is lacking context.
Why did the officer draw his gun? That's escalation of force; he's not a hitman, he's a peace officer. I'm not saying that he didn't have a reason, but I can't see a good one from this video.
I don't think I'll ever understand the American attitude towards muh gunz. Loads of dangerous things are tightly controlled in who can own and use them: Heavy machinery, cars, prescription drugs, boats, UAVs, lasers, dangerous chemicals, certain animals, kinder suprises etc. Everyone understands why you need a licence for these things and why some people shouldn't own/operate them. But as soon as it comes to guns Americans just flip their SHALL NOT shit.
>>60847719
Yeah. There's no arguing against the Tamir Rice case. That poor kid was definitely on the wrong end of an insensitive cop instinctively assuming he was armed and dangerous, likely because of his race.
Nor was there for Treyvon Martin. Those idiots that think "skittles" was literal for making "lean" and claim he had facebook posts about making/creating it means he was trying to sell drugs and that's why he got shot are so hilariously reaching.
The Dindu Nuffins are irritating, but credit where credit is due. There's a good reason cops in America are under scrutiny. If it was only black people that'd be one thing, but police brutality in America of people just a tier above Mall Ninjas is a real problem we need to address. As targeting and intentionally prejudiced as police are against what amounts to 6.5% of the population, they still kill twice as many white people that Dindu Nuffin'.
We really need to demilitarize the police force. The big thing that could do that is removing the need.
As an American, I am all for putting lots of funding into drug rehabilitation clinics and initiatives to keep people off of hard shit.
>>60847875
just because he made a vaguely similar motion to reaching for his waist doesn't give the police the right to shoot a kid
even so, what justification did the policeman have in the video to fucking screech right next to the kid, no holds barred?
>>60847943
felony warrant.
>>60847686
Anyone know the story behind this?
>>60847967
Because personal protection is viewed as something sacred.
>>60847975
it wasn't vaguely similar its what he did he reached into his waist and pulled out the toy gun and got shot, the cops were called to possible active shooter in the park thats why the came up on him like they did, cops dont hear the 9/11 call they just get what dispatch tells them.
>>60843150
No its not, thanks for coming no guns.
>>60847970
>demillitarize the police force
by doing what? do you really think police are the problem in america? are police why children cant walk to school safely in Chicago? are cops dealing crack on the corner?
I'm not sure how Americans can defend their guns when the evidence is right there, staring them in the face every day.
176 mass shootings in 163 days. Compare that to Canada, which has had 20 since 1987 and Australia, which has had NONE since the Port Arthur incident. I'm sure the UK has done well without guns, too.
>>60848092
>getting shot in Chicago
But... that's a gun-free zone.
>>60847967
You'll understand once your immigrants start bullying your population, Aussie.
You'll understand when groups of people, seeking to erase you from your home and claim you have no real ownership of the place in which you and your ancestors grew up, show up to stab you in subways or waiting for busses or outside night clubs, places where they can run off after doing it and never be caught.
People that refuse to integrate or assimilate, people that think because you can't fight back or prevent them from doing what they want, they can act with impunity and lose nothing for the experience, because there's nothing you can do but LEAVE.
You'll understand when your government does and says nothing because it'd be insensitive, or because they've become the government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDd64suDz1A
>>60847970
>get called to an possible active shooter
>pull up on someone matching the discription
>they reach in their waistband for something that looks exactly like a gun
pretty clean cut actually no Cop would ever question that officers actions only moron Saturday mourning quarter backs who have never been in a life or death situation do.
>>60848137
Yeah, just splendid.
>>60848139
>gun-free zones in America
Doesn't matter when the rest of your country is surrounded by PLEASE SHOOT ME zones
>>60848029
that's debateable, the video is too pixelated to understand what's actually happening. he could very well have just had his hand in his jacket and was trying to put his hands up or get them out. why would a kid try to point a gun at police? he may have been young but nobody is that unaware.
>oh but the policeman said he was reaching for the gun
are you going to trust the word of the guy trying to save his own ass? even if that is what he saw, adrenaline does cause people to act in different ways and see different things
>>60848137
Obviously the answer is to take rights away from the law-abiding.
>>60848137
>implying those mass shooting stats aren't inflated to shit
four people getting shot could describe a gang shootout or fucking bank robbery gone wrong, it's a misleading number used by pundits to further their agenda
>>60848177
you can see it
>>60848174
But darling, gun free zones are literally the PLEASE SHOOT ME zones. Ask yourself, which would you rather go and shoot up as a potential mass murderer? A gun range, where you know everyone is armed, or a school where people can't carry firearms? By limiting the right to carry firearms in public places you only make victims out of the law abiding citizens.
Guns aren't the problem, people are. And iif you take guns away all you're doing is disarming the non hostile people, meanwhile the hostile ones find a way nonetheless
>>60848265
i know he had a pellet gun. it's an argument of whether or not he was reaching for it when he was shot
>>60848288
>gun free zones are literally the PLEASE SHOOT ME zones
Not anywhere else in the world with strict gun regulation/control
>>60848177
yes i am going to trust an officer, and he might have been thinking "oh i will just show them its a toy" or he may have even commited suicide no one knows since now hes dead, alot of kids have no respect for authority. same thing could have easily happened here in the UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwFu0wZ6Igg
>>60848322
>Guns aren't the problem, people are.
I would support a ban on assault people.
>>60842594
The hell I will. Those rifles should be cheaper so more people can afford one.
$800 is extortion.
>>60848349
well i guess there's no use arguing. we'll never know.
>>60847686
wasted
>>60848336
Yeah, that worked really well for France. Or us, for that matter (cough, 2 school shootings and the Sello case after concealed carry was abolished)
>>60848029
Holy fuck what is this?
It's like a scene out of RoboCop
>>60848137
Again, gang related violence comprises roughly 60% of all gun crime that isn't suicide. The average shooter is male, and more likely to be black killing other black people. Sorry, those are the numbers.
Gangs don't follow the law and often use illegally acquired guns anyway. They don't follow the laws. They'd get those guns whether it took licensing to get them or not, because that's the way criminlity works.
It's like saying 'we should ban all drugs' because people make and abuse meth. All we're doing is complicating and punishing everybody else whom is not a stupid fucking kid trying to get high.
>>60848386
France got a little bruised but that was 1 incident in how many years?
Meanwhile,
>176 mass shootings in 163 days
>>60848336
Damn i wish ISIS knew that Paris was a place of strict gun regulation, maybe they wouldn't have killed >150 people via mass shootings
>>60848397
its the lovely city of detroit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgDoDKqgr0M
>>60848351
Ban assault muslims.
Nobody NEEDS a religion that promotes hate.
>>60848444
>believing that "176 shootings" figure
it's artificially inflated to give liberals anti-gun ammunition (pun half intended)
>>60848444
Which account for something like 0.3% of all homicides. Why are you so pent up on "mass shootings" anyway?
>>60845389
Ease of accessorizing/modification (mainly due to rails) are pretty much the main draw for people purchasing AR style rifles. They're so widespread and the aftermarket is so large that it makes it very convenient and affordable to customize them in a huge variety of styles. That plus they are decent, lightweight, ergonomic rifles to begin with
Changing the color or having wood furniture would do nothing to change how it functions, obviously. The only benefits would be fewer scared noguns normies as they watch you hike into the wilderness or open carry into Walmart like a retard.
An AR is just not significantly more deadly than many, many rifles that are made up of a higher percentage of wood, they're just more popular.
>>60848397
detroit.
detroit is where Robocop took place. Guess why?
>>60842594
>Murricun hicks
>>60848472
Not that guy, but source on the 0.3% statistic? I'm in a gun debate with a friend and all the statistics I've borrowed so far are from this thread, but he's caught on and is asking for source
>>60848397
aint no peace in des streets son.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2j5QFLRATc
>>60848538
I pulled it out of my ass, but you can go and do the math yourself. You'll find it's a hilariously small number that's blown way out of proportion by the media
>>60848538
i think you mean to ask this guy
>>60848477
>>60848478
People are scared by anything that doesn't look like their grandpappies durr gun.
In the 90's, some misogynist shitlord shot up a womens college with a Ruger Mini-14, sparking wide range restrictions of certain weapons, namely the wholeseale banning of the AK, FAL, G3, and G11, and the restriction of the AR-15.
The Ruger Mini-14 remains non restricted to this day.
Why is the 2nd Amendment sacred but the 14th amendment debatable?
>>60848538
Not him and not his numbers but I found this interesting anyway.
http://www.unbiasedamerica.com/media/mass-shootings-a-perspective
>>60848595
both are debateable. that's why they're called "amendments." but the 2nd amendment is more deeply ingrained in America culture I feel and is more important to many people than the 14th.
>>60848595
You should ask "exactly what does it take to ratify an amendment to the US Constitution" because that's what it would take to change either one.
>>60848595
the first 10 are the bill of rights guaranteed to all american citizens and are ingrained in our culture.
>>60848652
I don't know, I feel like both political parties should be able to compromise on this one, but in most debates it's just 1 that is up to debate while the other should be respected for some reason or another.
>>60848708
In fairness, the 2nd is one (mildly complex) sentence and the 14th is five sections of legalese. There's bound to be more debate.
if the 2nd amendment is for a well regulated militia to combat a corrupt government, then why the hell aren't you amerilards going on a rampage at the white house right now
>>60848840
They honestly should, but we Europeans have it way worse. At least their government is somewhat democratic. We, on the other hand, are governed by people who are not elected into office.
I'm pretty sure walmart doesn't sell ARs anymore.
>>60848595
Who is debating the 14th amendment isn't sacred?
People who don't want non-whites to get educations, people who don't want others to get abortions, people who don't want rights to include women.
Generally, if you're wishy washy on the 14th amendment, it's because you don't like abortion, don't think the state should be equal opportunity for women and people for all skins and heritage and you're really just a religious supremacist kook.
>>60848840
Obama hasn't done anything patently illegal. (If he truly had the Rs in Congress would jump down his throat with an impeachment) Suppose, however, that he declared this election void and that he should remain in office for another term. You can bet there would be a shitstorm of angry gun-totin' rednecks in the front lawn in about 12 hours.
>>60848609
what's always concerned me are the guns-suicide stats
the suicide-by-firearm rate is roughly twice that of suicide-by-suffocation, and three times that of poisoning
it's not like getting rid of the guns will make these suicide attempts vanish, but it's extremely concerning that so many people have taken their own lives using tools sanctioned by laws that reference self-protection as their raison d'être.
>>60848840
'Corrupt Government' is not the same thing as 'dictatorship'.
If our government was attempting to get us subserviant to the EU as a nation state under it, with our constitution, courts and etc. underneath Europe's control, then it's possible that might happen. There's no evidence to that right now.
>>60848858
that's what happened in austria didn't it?
the votes were rigged and the pro-immigration party won just by a hair to make it seem legit because the parties were so closely matched
>>60848925
People think suicide by gun is simple and fast and leaves little room for error, unlike methods such as jumping or hanging
>>60848956
I haven't looked into that, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was true
>>60848925
If somebody really wants to kill themselves, a gun is a fast way to do it. If you OD on pills you could still be rescued, but nobody can squeegee your brain off the wall and back into your skull. If they could we'd still have Nirvana.
>>60848934
your government is subservient to israel m8
>>60843065
>>60847046
>>60847089
>>60847101
>>60847164
>>60847258
>>60847276
>>60847339
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>>60847481
>australia starts talking shit about the 2nd amendment
>all the other countries start backing us up
>>60846998
Nope not really. Lots of stuff at Walmart is low grade, but the firearms tend to be the same grade as those you see in sports shops.
>>60849021
luv u 2 bby
>>60842594
They don't sell them at Walmart anymore, but damn were we having a field day getting murder machines for a fraction of the price. When they decided to no longer sell ar15s they just did whatever they could to get them off the shelves without losing too much money, so we were snatching them up for hundreds less than they go for.
Good times.
>>60849016
yours is subservient to us m8.
What you gon' do about it? Unleash cassowaries on California?
>>60842679
Do lone single brits walking outside demonstrating """anti-social""" behavior get pinned down and forced upon by a beautiful anglo woman
>>60849176
>yours is subservient to china m8.
fixed
>>60842679
How would a ban on anti-social behavior even work?
>>60849194
No, just cops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgRpZ-OdN7o
ITT: small dicked manlets brag about their guns
Lmao
>>60848840
>why the hell aren't you amerilards going on a rampage at the white house right now
Hasn't gotten bad enough yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
>>60849257
truly, a wonderful land
>>60849247
Well first you take away their right to defend themselves, and then after a few years of conditioning they'll just fall in line.
>>60849247
Oh I see. It's like a public drunkenness, nuisance, and disruptiveness charge all in one.
>>60849262
Genetics stripped me of height
Cardio had robbed me of muscle
"Short man syndrome" has nullified my ability to act tough
NOW LIBERALS WANT TO TAKE ONE OF MY LAST PARTS OF MASCULINITY REEEEEEE WOMEN DON'T EVEN LIKE ME BUT THEY TAKE ALL MY SHIT AWAY FROM ME REEEEEEEEEEE
>>60849326
Suffrage was a mistake desu
>>60849326
>Cardio had robbed me of muscle
Did you hear that on /fit/?
>>60849262
>tfw don't own a gun
>tfw still have a small dick
>>60849326
And it's the liberals who are shooting everyone.
>>60849257
That's genuinely upsetting. Nazis stomping on us
>>60848925
>2016
>not having right to end your life on your own terms
>>60849271
See, liberals have their 'white woman teaches a bunch of minorities in a school' movies.
Why won't conservatives do borderline propaganda films like this? They can even be based on true stories.
>>60849603
Soon.
>>60847970
Trayvon deserved to get shot, because you can't beat on a persons head for 40 seconds and not get shot.
>>60848925
I think to some degree we can't make everything safe. Do we ban helium/hydrogen? What about cars? You can kill yourself with the gases from those pretty easily. Tall buildings?
I think it would reduce suicides by removing the guns, not as much as liberals claim, but substantially. But ultimately, prison is safe, structured, and comfortable for the inmates. A society like that but with jobs is possible. But we don't want that. We want some level of danger. You are not free if you are not free to harm yourself.
>>60842594
Its locked in a display cabinet with the trigger unable to be pulled, nothing is wrong here
>>60849934
Treyvon was a 17 year old kid, not a big fat dude.
Sure Zimmerman was a piss poor fighter, as evidenced by the time he tried to get into MMA and was thrown out by being a fucking WUSS and as egomaniacal as Eric Cartman, but you don't get your head beaten on for 40 seconds by being a nice guy.
He went out and confronted Treyvon after having a history of warning members of the suburb about "dangerous black men." He did it against recommendation by the 9/11 operator he was on the phone with. He was armed and looking for shit.
There's no evidence to suggest Treyvon went around beating up people for no reason. None. And every evidence points to the fact Zimmerman was spoiling for conflict. You can't tell me he just randomly went upside the man's head unprovoked. That isn't how people work.
He probably called him a racial ephitet or threatened to attack him unless he "moved along." Self appointed fucking gate keeper of suburbia.
And if he was being beaten on for 40 seconds, like he claimed, he'd have bruises up and down his fucking face. Not even a black eye. He had a little blood on him from allegedly a cut on his head, but no bruises. Now tell me, how can a 17 year old kid hold a man like Zimmerman down for 40 seconds and LEAVE NO BRUISES? Treyvon was just strong and aggressive enough to make him soak punches for almost a minute, but not strong enough to bruise?
Get outta here with that shit.
>>60842594
NOBODY FUCKING MOVE BANGBANGBANGBANGBANG
YOU! GET ON THE GROUND
BANG
DON'T EVEN FUCKING TRY IT
BANGBANGBANG
>>60850116
being insulted isn't grounds for assault f a m
>>60850116
>Treyvon was a 17 year old kid, not a big fat dude.
You do understand that most violent crime is committed by 15-20 year olds right?
>Sure Zimmerman was a piss poor fighter, as evidenced by the time he tried to get into MMA and was thrown out by being a fucking WUSS and as egomaniacal as Eric Cartman, but you don't get your head beaten on for 40 seconds by being a nice guy.
You don't know anything about niggers then do you?
>He went out and confronted Treyvon after having a history of warning members of the suburb about "dangerous black men." He did it against recommendation by the 9/11 operator he was on the phone with. He was armed and looking for shit.
It happened nothing like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsuYjBrIwFI&list=PLg8uli-f8WHJgIMmITeKPrYeYvlORyOTP&index=170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCHm-NIg8WE&list=PLg8uli-f8WHJgIMmITeKPrYeYvlORyOTP&index=171
>>60842679
funny how Americans slag of the Brits for banning carrying knives around.
The stab ratings all over Britain went down because of it
>>60850212
Good thing we banned bath tubs. Now nobody will die by slipping in the tub! Surely what will happen is deaths will plunge exactly by the rate of people that die by slipping in the bath tub.
>the people still wind up dying in other ways. Mortality remains the same. Now we're all just fucking dirty by not bathing.
YAYY safety.
>>60850212
I'd rather be shot than stabbed tb h
>>60850248
did you even read what you wrote? That's fucking retarded man
England had a big problem with paki and black gangs especially in London stabbing each other. They ban carrying around knives and it dropped
in America niggers go around shooting up the place and everybody says guns aren't the issue
>>60847046
>and as for standing up to a tyrannical government you just have to place your faith in the army/police force would protect their family and friends over some faceless government organisation.
I actually laughed. If the entirety of Europe is absolutely anything to go by, you can't trust the government at fucking all.
>Mass shooting in a night club
>Democucks wants to impose gun control because the person was using a gun
>Said person was a allahu ackbar
>Imblying that Gun control would stop that
Also didn't the Boston bomber just use a couple of bucket of shit to create his bomb? Better plug everythinh that as an anus then!
>>60850274
Because they aren't. Because knives are still the cause of 5X as many deaths as rifles, for example.
Britain is an island of a country that is mostly urban in scope, with a bunch of social issues that America hasn't come to grips with, owing to it being so damned big and different ideas of personal rights and accountability.
In order to ban knives and have any effect you'd need to more vigilantly police peoples clothing and randomly pat them down. We already do that.
>>60850274
Freedom aint free, Padraig.
100% of people who come into contact with H2O and CO2 die!
THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE BANNED!
>>60843065
Fuck off to America then dickhead you'll be doing us all a favour
>>60850344
Those who exchange freedom for safety deserve neither.
>>60843065
>the lefties hate fun
It was the right that cracked down on guns
>dream of having an australian bf
>find out they all hate guns
This is soul crushing
>>60850329
>ban assault speech
>>60850352
You realise how retarded that saying is in practise right?
You know what's funny? Most gun related violence in USA is done with illegally acquired guns. So how will gun control stop that?
>>60850317
granted there's too many guns in the US to ever ban them but the idea that having such easy access to guns doesnt contribute to the violent crime rate is stupid.
and the argument that gets touted about having everyone owning a gun will somehow make us all safe is ludicrous
>>60850380
Illegal guns start out as legal guns
>>60850212
>The stab ratings all over Britain went down because of it
Proofs?
>>60850371
Its just a saying, but I agree with it.
>>60850400
you really think tyrone and co. go down to cabelas to buy a glock to ice some rival gangbangers?
>>60850406
So you think banning civillian ownership of guns would stop their government from sending guns to mexico?
>>60850352
you can't have freedom without safety
>>60850421
well they don't get them out of thin air
>>60850490
>you can't have freedom without safety
???
>>60850406
It's legal to sell your gun to another person without a background check actually. Or was for a very long time, I think it MIGHT have changed recently. So many of them start as illegal guns trafficked in from somewhere else.
>>60850406
that's actually not entirely true.
It's not difficult to make a gun. Criminals can make their own brand of guns with very little difficulty, and because of the nature of tinkering with tools and machining, a crack dealer or a drug mogul needs very little material or tools to actually make serial numberless, completely original and illegal weapons.
>>60850400
It's actually not very easy. You still need a clean background check, both mental and criminal, and depending on the state, you need to effectively be an accountable citizen.
This idea that you can just waltz into a store in any state and get a gun with no waiting period is something anti-gun advocates made up, not too different from Yellow Fear or communist scares.
>>60850528
Offences of what? Link the whole thing.
>>60842594
We will tbqh
What did they mean by this
>>60850667
It means roughly this
>>60850357
Not all. The vast majority just don't care either way it goes. And the minority that enjoy guns do it in their own leisure.
Only problem is the leftys constantly complaining even when they've got what they wanted
>>60850667
And also this
>>60843065
>lefties
the howard government cracked down on guns you dumb cunt
>>60846607
>RK-95
Ayyyyy lmao nice gun my americunt friend
>>60850878
I think we've talked before, are you the guy with the air rifle
>>60847101
if i sharpen a stick for killing humans does it perform better than the same stick if i had sharpened it for hunting?
>>60842594
merica is barbarian
>>60850906
yes ;_;
>>60847339
I kinda thought about the whole musket argument. Despite it's slow rate of fire it was still state of the art at the time, and damn scary as hell.
Get a handful of guys together and you could still royally fuck up a village. Because the force stopping you is using the same weapons, and they take just as long to reload too, so they are match for match on guns and bayonets.
The really scary part was getting hit by one of the rounds. Swords and bows are nice and all, but they don't require amputation just from the toxicity of a lead ball in your body. Your doctor had three items to deal with an infection: a meat cleaver, a bone saw, and the olden days version of wire cutters. No anaesthetic either, you got it cut off and hope you lived through the night.
Dunno about you, but if I was in those times, those weapons would be the damn scariest thing a person could point at me.
>>60850936
fucking jap monkey go behead some more chinks
>>60850953
That's not entirely true, at least in the late 1800s they did use an anesthetic in the form of chloroform.
>>60850953
And to make matters worse, it was legal to own and operate machine guns and similar high ordinance stuff. Including cannons.
It's still legal to own and operate cannons in North America, so long as you're properly licensed and have paid the $200 tax stamp.
Yes. I said cannons. Breech loading cannons.
However, you don't need a license to own or operate muzzle loading cannons.
>>60851100
Of course, in fact with enough paperwork and cash you can legally own a fully functional tank, just need a stamp for each shell is all.
For about 30 to 50 grand you can import one from some Eastern European country too.
>>60851138
I think one of those Google guys has a fully functional MiG-29.
>>60850807
Murrikans can't actually get Sakos because of their import restrictions.
>>60850937
Look on the bright side though, at least you're not in Brasil.
>>60850984
Which was quite some time after the amendment was written, in the late 1700s. They knew what they were getting into when they wrote it.
>>60842679
>knife surrender bin
>>60850352
"Quotes aren't always smart, no matter how famous the source"
- Abraham Lincoln
>>60851214
"A witty saying proves nothing"
-Voltaire
I don't get it these mass shootings keep happening yet they refuse to admit there is an issue.
>>60851229
"Do not trust Australians"
-Einstein
>>60851235
Because there is none.
You're more likely to die of a shark attack than get murked by some autist.
>>60851235
What are you talking about, people very well recognise that there are mental health issues all over modern societies.
>>60842594
Funny thing you mention our rights. I'm a student and I just applied to a job at an airport so I could make money for books and guns.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/565083541
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/565150703
Colt or nothing, mang.
>>60851246
"Once you go black, you never go back"
Benjamin Franklin
>>60851235
That's not true. The argument is over what the issue truly is.
The anti-gun people don't want there to be guns. The pro-gun people and regular Americans say "too bad"
the anti-gun people go, "Okay, well how about just these ones with the black barrels?"
The pro-gun and ambivilant Americans ask, "What will this accomplish?"
The anti-gun people go, "Pwease? I'll reduce gun crime."
The pro-gun and lackadaisical Americans go, "Naw."
The anti-gun people moan about how nothing gets done.
The pro-gun people say, "hey, lets talk about ending the war on drugs and getting this country boned up on access to mental health screenings. That'll reduce crime holisitcally."
The anti-gun people then say, "GREAT! We can put BIO-METRIC LOCKS on every gun that law enforcement can voluntarily switch off if they want to and need to! And then we can make the net of mental health so narrow that you'd best live in a gun free suburb or a member of the police/military, or you simply won't be considered mentally healthy enough to own a gun!"
To which the pro-gun people say, "No."
And the anti-gun people say, "Well how about ending the war on drugs a little AND make it harder for citizens to get guns at all?"
"No."
And so nothing gets done.
>>60851309
Gunowners have compromised plenty enough already.
1934, 1968, 1986, 1994, all compromises with gungrabbers.
>>60851286
>colt
Eehh. Colt wouldn't be even among my first choices for an AR. Personally I went with Daniel Defense, but I would choose other manufacturers like Noveske, Hera, Schmeisser or LWRC before Colt
>>60851347
You guys in Canada have it worse, I argue. A lot of your laws are just so absurd and restrictive. They really are terrified of militias.
>>60851286
Look up palmetto state armory if you want to build an AR, prices are good.
>>60851396
Yeah, we got it pretty bad in the 90's too.
At least we're better off than all the other commonwealth nations.
>>60851446
>build
Cmon man, you're just assembling it.
>>60851476
NZ has it okay, they can have semi-auto centrefire without mag cap restrictions.
>>60851392
Not interested in paying for DD when I can have the gold standard, especially when I plan on keeping it simple.
>>60851446
Not interested in PSA. I know the people on /k/'s /arg/ would give me shit for going Colt or bust, but I plan on putting together a C7A2-like rifle, and I love the thought of owning the real AR-15. (I say 'real' because of the trademarking and patent rights that Colt own)
>>60851476
There's always hope. I'm in Maine. Up until recently, open carry was restricted to a license. Now you can pretty much open carry as you please.
I don't, of course, because lets be honest. New England, literally 96% white, unless you're in Ellsworth or Lewiston or similarly drug affected towns or cities, there's just no need to fear. It's bretty gud, man.
>>60851486
Hey, that's the term used to describe ordering parts to put together. Why bother going above for an extra detail when everyone understands what you mean when you use the terms there?
>>60850356
Probably thinks it's the lefties that banned the guns because he always hears Americans talking about it. Doesn't know anything about his own country that American media doesn't tell him.
I see people that are guilty of this online quite a bit.
>>60851511
Isn't bcm the gold standard though?
>>60842675
fpbp
>>60851551
Because it bothers my autism.
>>60851511
Curious, not judging. Why so much desire for a 'real' ar-15? It's not like all the decent ones aren't built to the specifications of the design.
>>60851574
I'm sorry to hear about your autism man, my friend had his autism bothered recently too.
>>60851561
Not really. The reason Colt is the 'gold standars' is because of the renowned reliability and the prestige of the gun. Every soldier in the US military nowadays technically carries a Colt. Colt owns the original prints and the machining data for the AR-15. When the government contracts another company like FN, Sabre, or others to make M16 or M4 series rifles, the technical data package, or TDP, is given to them by the government who, in agreement with Colt, is allowed to share the data so long as some of the money for each rifle goes to Colt. With colt you get MPI and CL barrels and BCGs, tight tolerances, and great fit and finish.
>>60851596
Mainly the collectible allure of having "AR-15" rolled onto the receiver next to the "Pony-Globe" logo. If I were to go full-autism and put a gorillion cheese grater rails, five optics and BUIS, a light, a laser, a VFG, and a nice stock, I might consider a different brand. But for the simple rifle I plan to use as a car, defense, and target gun.
>be british
>get caught owning an air rifle with no license
>get exiled to austalia for being a convict
why are anglos so perfidiously stupid?
>>60851731
They aren't stupid, my polski friend. They just don't like Polish people. They knew what they were doing.
>>60851709
Fair enough, it's what you want so have at it fellow American
>>60851760
>lose most of their empire
>not being stupid
>still trying to disarm everyone
nah they're stupid as pineapples and Im glad the pakis (and not only them) are fucking them up the ass like the stupid whores they are.
>>60851709
>>60851772
FN makes some for the gov too.
>>60849288
wow uk looks like shit.
>post bait thread while half asleep last night
>wake up - 300 replies
>mfw
>>60852842
Anglo perfidy strikes again
truly, the rusemasters of europe.
>>60845866
Like this?
>>60852377
Read the post again.
"When the government contracts another company like FN, Sabre, or others to make M16 or M4 series rifles, the technical data package, or TDP, is given to them by the government who, in agreement with Colt, is allowed to share the data so long as some of the money for each rifle goes to Colt."
The FN civilian AR rifles are most likely sourced from other mfg's and final assembly done by FN with some FN parts. Otherwise they'd have to be paying Colt royalties for using Colt's data.
>>60853106
So how come Colt is always on the brink of bankruptcy all the time?
>>60848925
>cuckada retard complaining about suicide when his country is legalizing it
I'm glad to live in this country desu, never felt unsafe and I love seeing guns in Walmart
The US is the enemy of humanity.
How does that feel?
>>60853328
I thank god every time I wake up that I was born in North America.
Literally everywhere else seems like a shithole.
Better than the left defending Islam to be quite honest with you.
>>60851163
regular posters know that Sako and weeb collection belong to a finnish poster on /int/
>>60850667
Shall-issue means that if you apply for a concealed weapon license you /shall/ be issued a permit if you qualify.
May-issue means that you /may/ be issued a license.
>>60853342
Pretty rich coming from a Muslim nigger.
>>60853588
And unrestricted is basically you don't need a license to carry?
>>60853588
So SHALL= if you qualify based on the criteria they can't say shit
while MAY = they may still say no because LOL FUCK YOU THAT'S WHY.
>>60853666
Pretty much, if they don't like your face you don't get a license.
>The 2A is bad
the worst normie meme t.b.h
>>60853651
It's a little more complicated than that, the rules vary by state. For example in Idaho the unrestricted carry only applies to state residents.
>>60847875
Ok now i see
i thought this would be a lol xdd nigger gets shot caus hes blak lol xddd
Turns out he got shot because he didn't follow the cops orders and tried to pull a toy gun?
Why the fuck would you do this ever? makes me think i'm the only black person who is not a fucking tard
>>60853868
death wish maybe?
suicide by cop is a popular method.
>>60853868
you're going to feel this a lot, honestly. You're probably in your teens or early 20s or something.
All I can ask of you, as a white man who is actually in his 30s, is don't go down that rabbithole man. Don't become a self hating black republican. It'd be a lie to say a lot of black people aren't stupid, but there are so many reasons for that more than genetics. Diet, stress levels, parenting style, environment, climate, inter-related culture, paranoia, hidden insecurity, and casual drug use.
The world is a pretty fucked up ridiculous place. being a little sane goes a long way.
>>60853146
Because people don't literally buy new AR-15s from them every month. A lot of their other stuff is expensive and not worth it IMO. The only gun worth buying from Colt is the AR, and they don't really listen to what their commercial market customers want.
>"We want a .308 AR!"
Here's some shit with a 1:12" twist so you can't use your heaviest/highest BC loads!
>"We want a 20" rifle!"
Hm... Let's wait until 2014 to reintroduce the 20" rifles to the civvie market, and then we'll only make them in small batches so that they are never on the market and massively overpriced when the retailers finally get them!
>"We want some of your cool 1911-style handguns in cartridges other than .45!"
Here's a single 1911 in 9x23mm, and here's one in 9x19mm. We're not going to offer other things like our 1911 Rail Gun in anything other than .45, though"
>>60852842
What? There's no reason bait can't be a conversation piece. Plus it allows us to practice what to say to someone offended by our gun ownership.
Besides, everybody knows banter is just a word thrown out when somebody is too lazy to make a point, or is trying to escape an explanation.
