How is this not European?
If you'd have proper schools in Korea, you'd know that a thing called Asia minor exists.
>>60810940
bc europeans were our slaves and we were their masters.
>>60810975
is he watching a guy fap?
lol why is whitey so butthurt about turks.
>>60810975
>europeans
you mean subhuman slavs
>>60811015
idk maybe it's because we made them our bitch, we subjugate them over and over again, we put their mothers into our harems we enforced jizzya and we colonized their smelly continent and once they tried opposite we kicked their ass into oblivion.
>>60810940
they do not share european values, religion and culture
Oh man, I'll be bumping this thread and enjoying it today.
>>60811100
Why did westerners suck so much when fighting Turks?
Did you have some sort of Turk way of dealing with them?
>>60810940
Turks are European. It's only basement dwellers and butthurt kurds who say otherwise.
>>60810953
From a geographic perspective it doesn't make sense to exclude Turkey but include Cyprus as European.
>>60811122
The only sensible answer ITT. Turkish culture is not based on European culture. Only Western Turkey can be considered European, nothing else.
>>60811122
They will soon.
>>60811310
Just like that Turk who played a ISIS song during a mixed fighting(called KSW) fight in Poland?
He got DQ and nearly 1 million euro penalty.
>>60811354
Sauce
>>60811122
>religion
>>60811100
You forgot already vienna turkroach? do u want to get rekt again by husaria?
>>60811482
>be poland
>help defend eastern europe from ottomans
>win
>a few years later all eastern europe turn on poland and take most of their land
>>60811519
Welp its not like anyone likes us anyway it was like that all the history until 18th century 4v1 was too hard
>>60811538
why did you defend them then you should've let the fuckers get turk'd
we are not european
we are not middle-eastern
we are just turks and fuck you all tooby hooby
https://youtu.be/ceOBeyRiwdU?t=193
>>60811176
early turkish armies had top-tier discipline, which started slipping after 16th century and the military systems became corrupt
the westernization efforts came too late at 1844, by ww1 the empire was in tatters and the turks did not have nearly enough manpower or industrialization to match the western powers
>>60811565
we hate roaches more than euros even tho Roaches like us
>>60811425
http://www.eutimes.net/2016/06/german-turk-mma-fighter-banned-for-life-after-using-isis-anthem-for-his-intro/
>>60811482
did you know hussars are an adaptation of the turkish deliler cavalry? the style was brought to europe by escaping serbian defectors
>>60811605
Well our quality was ranks higher than anyones so it kinda worked
>>60811267
Burger pls.
Westturks as in their coaststrip and the Istanbul area could be called european as they are mainly bastardized greeks who adapted islam like the bosnians.
The moment you go east, the asiatic cjaracter of the people and nation become apparent.
They will never be euros.
While cyprus is not geographically european it was mainly populated by them and can thus be seen as a appendage of the occidental realm just as noone will claim that the canary islands are heographically european just because they are populated by spaniards adhering to spanish culture.
>>60811594
>German-""""""Turk"""""
Now you know why I was surprised. A Turk would not do something like this.
>>60811482
Whew you're mad.
Just let them bait, I like the Turks vs rest of Europe thread. Stop spreading butthurt.
>>60811631
i am just proud of our history not mad kek
>>60811267
Is Spain Northern African? Is Britain South American? Is France Central American? Is Denmark Nort American? No.
>>60811630
>>60811594
http://fightland.vice.com/blog/polish-mma-event-accidentally-plays-isis-nasheed-during-aziz-karaoglus-walkout
It was a mistake, your article is a hack.
>>60810953
Asia Minor is European as Ceuta and Melilla.
>>60810940
Why is this still on the map?
>>60811654
They don't represent us.
>>60811655
Oh. Than I'm sorry. I didn't know it was a fuck up.
>>60811670
>Ceuta and Melilla
memes, kept to make some countries feel good
>>60811685
HAHAHAHAHA XDDD
LE NUKING TURKEY
OMG YOUR SO FUNNY
THE NUKE WILL LET TURKEY DISSAPEAR XDXDXDXD
DOG BLESS AMERICA :DDDD
>>60811777
American Turks are top notch.
>>60811176
Westerners prior to the Ottomans never had to deal with any serious military threat. Sure, they were wars here and there, but the Ottomans were a completely different thing. By the time they rose they were the strongest empire with the strongest army, and since Westerners never had to deal with such a foe they got their asses handed to them.
>>60811654
Because he is an educated middle class turk who doesn't want to be associated with nigger turks chanting pro isis songs in the streets of turkish cities or with dumfuck diaspora in germany,belgium,netherlands e.t.c.
And good for him.
>>60811655
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKPmlfytC8E
LIES!
>>60811777
You see komsu we export them so others will have to deal with them. if we kill them everyone starts bitching
>>60811787
Muhhamed, please.
>>60811844
(Pbuh)
>>60811817
elhamdüllilah, what a lion
>>60811798
>>60811798
>strongest empire with the strongest army
>gets btfo by a german frau
>strongest army
HAHA turks got fucked by a women!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Russo-Turkish_wars
>>60811176
One unified state versus a ragtag assembly of hundreds of counties and duchy, kingdoms and empires.
One side familiar with terrain and climate, the other one not.
>be poland
>defend whole europe from turks for centuries
>turks respect that and be like oi lads we kinda like you lets stop fighting and split whole europe between us
>say fuck to turks and save europe yet again
>whole europe fucks you over and only turks are against that
So tell me lads why are polaks so fucking stupid.
>>60811913
Well yes, by that time most of europe already unified and the Ottoman economy was collapsing because in a VERY stupid move, they decided to attack one of their most important trading partners, Venice
>>60811945
Stop please. Why do we have to shit all over all turk threads? Let them all have some banter, I enjoy it.
>>60811777
good numbers
turks in the americas
turks in europe are mostly easterner peasants, they are disliked/hated in turkey and even have earned deragatory terms for themselves
american/canadian turks are mostly educated expats
>>60811916
>ottoman purely turksih
>turks
>turks
it is well known fact that turkish women got fucked by sudanese black men in the harem. ottoman empire was mix of arabs, central asians, africans and north africans. if you look closly this are over 30 countires. ottoman isnt purely turkish. this was the reason ottoman empire collapsed, cuz of innerfighting for power caused by arabs, then arabs pulled out and the cardhouse collapsed also to all the loses against catherina 2.
>>60811960
catherina just cut of your supplies and you died slowly. she was always horny rubbing her clit furiosly when turks got killed.
merkel will do the same.
>>60811995
i mean just look at all the retarded german turks in this thread
god damnit start your genocide already if you are going to you softass white faggots
TIL
almost europian love Turkey , but Turkey isn't Europe.
>>60812061
they are no a threat to us, they are our slaves.
we want to kill you, by kurds, syrian immigration and cuting off your money business, the tourism.
>>60812061
We're the last bastion of fucking hope you fucking faggot. While you sit at home probably cutting yourself while listening to some edgy music in your moms 1 room apartment getting wasted on EFES and posting cringy stuff on Facebook, we preserve turkish culture and tradition. Turkish turks are thiefs, liars and cowards, you have no self-respect and you shit on your own country. Because of people like you Atatürks vision of a nationalistic, secular democratic Turkey will never come to place. You are too lazy to fight the corruption under Erdogan, you people literally don't give a fuck, you always blame Almancis for your problems but you don't you realize that it is fucking turks in Turkey voting and endorsing AKP. Enjoy your next kurd bombing you fucking gavur pic, die in a fire
>>60812147
literal cringefest. kurds are domestic slaves. army cleaned up 7 of 8 strongholds already. they lost 8k men. we can send all syrians to europe anytime we want which is inevidable once merkel stop sucking erdo's cock. anyway you are pretty stupid for a german. my condolences.
insects cant be european
>>60812238
filthy kurd scum
you are more arab than turk
Because Putin said it.
>>60812413
Arabs actually contributed more scientific achievements to humanity than Turks
>>60812494
sure but the modern arabs are subhuman
>>60812957
>turk
>arab
pick 2
Because the Romans called it Asia.
>>60812957
I don't mind lebs or egyptian christians but the rest of them are
well, they never were considered european. Plus them not being christians influenced a lot. Moreover their empire covered more the middle east and north africa than europe
>>60811267
>turkroach in diaspora
Ok mehmet
Because turks invaded it.
>>60811100
t. 3rd world shithole with terrorist attacks
>>60812494
Arabs werent as inbred back the as they are now.
Dont fuck your cousin.
Pick a bride from the neighbouring village sometimes.
Is it so hard?
turkey is literally europe's mexicans
prove me wrong
>>60810940
becuase it's in Asia you stupid fucking gook
>>60811267
Im a Turkmen Turkish and i don't wanna be European or anything. Fuck Europe i don't wanna stand with people that hate me
>>60811645
>being proud of things that you didnt part in
kek
>>60811795
>le cemaat
not all of them
>>60812238
TOP FUCKING KEK
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>>60810940
I don't mind even if it's European. Turks are also white enough to mistake for westerners.
>>60814308
Hello there Mehmet, how's your trip in Japan?
>>60810940
They should be European
>>60814355
>prosperity
>>60814355
I'd imagine you'd want to use soap more if you're literally wiping your ass with your hand.
>>60813974
Extremely accurate
Some are decent, the lower class peddle drugs and barely speak German
It's also a popular vacation spot
People are browner, more obese and more on the manlet side
Spot on Burger!
>>60814344
Nope, I'm a native Japanese, not a Turk. I'm only interested in Turkey/Turks.
I can't distinguish caucasoids. arr rook the same. To be honest, Western Turks look Southern Europeans.
>>60814247
>hate
There wouldnt be much hate if it were not for the diaspora frictions (hell, anatolian sunnis are probably still better then motherfucking pakis) and our politicians jewing each other all the time.
Ataturk made a bridge between you and western europe, Erdogan is deconstructing it again while we howl about muh human rights in a neverending stream while expecting you to be exactly as us which is a misguided and patronizing wish you now recoil from with just as shitty results imo.
>>60810940
>>60814355
How does fucking 10 year old singing boys help cure degenracy?
Are muslims like those blacks who have sex with toddlers thinking it will cure them of aids?
>>60810940
Only Thracian/Greek lands (including Istanbul) are European. Asia Minor and Middle-Eastern parts are not and will never be Europe.
>>60814489
I don't really think it is about Atatürk or Erdoğan. Maybe you are not like that but the thing is you say be european and we shall love you. Fuck that. We are being us. Also regarding erdoğan, his respect to human rights more than most the prime ministers. And it is still bad. You r media just uses it as however they like.
>>60811267
>From a geographic perspective
From a "geographic perspective" Europe doesn't even exist there is only Eurasia, so that's not really an argument
>>60811005
visitors had to kiss the sultans toe slipper
>>60814574
This.
>>60811605
>hussars
Was it brought and made by the Serbs yes, but not by defectors.
It was just the people who moved to Hungary after the fall of the Serbian despotate in 1459
>The hussars reportedly originated in bands of mostly Serbian warriors,[12] crossing into southern Hungary after the Ottoman conquest of Serbia at the end of the 14th century. Regent-Governor John Hunyadi created mounted units inspired by the Ottomans. His son, Matthias Corvinus, later king of Hungary, is unanimously accepted as the creator of these troops, commonly called Rac (Hungarian exonym for Serbs). Initially, they fought in small bands, but were reorganised into larger, trained formations during the reign of King Matthias Corvinus.
>Initially the first units of Polish hussars in the Kingdom of Poland were formed in 1500, its influences coming from Serbian[15] mercenaries. A small number of Serbian mercenaries were recruited and became citizens of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.[citation needed] The Polish heavy hussars of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth were far more manoeuvrable than the heavily armoured lancers previously employed. The hussars proved vital to the Polish–Lithuanian victories at the Orsza (1514), the Obertyn (1531) and the Battle of Vienna (1683).
>>60811581
>slipping after 16th century
You mean after you started relying less and less on janissaries and other christian soldiers, but more on turks the quality of your army slipped ?
wew lad, who knew.
because Islam is not European
/thread
>>60814768
you were conquered by jannisary-free city-state. is this irony or something.
>>60814457
Donërçi please, focus more on getting Japanese women to like you, not this shitposting
>>60811585
>even tho Roaches like us
?
we're neutral towards you at best. there may be some autists you like you, but trust me, majority is neutral with the rest generally disliking you due to history.
>>60814768
>implying akıncıs and sipahis weren't better than janissaries.
janissaries were shit tier and they were the reason that we started to decline.
>>60814768
t.bh lad janissaries were too independent and uneffective after a while.
>>60814399
LOL
so bad
I fucking knew it & I was only in austria & hungary for 3 weeks and I realized this shit
>>60810940
"Europe" can't be assorted as a geographic term, since there are no natural definitives. It's primarily a cultural collective and Turkey sure as hell is not European.
They are a country in the Middle East, that helped forge said Middle East significantly
>>60814949
this. they literally got enslaved after this fight
>>60814949
Balkans was conquered mostly because of Balkans stupidity nothing else.
Look at the facts.
When Turks finally started getting land in the Balkans
>Byzantine Empire, involved in a decade long civil war between Kantakouzenos and Palaiologos
>Bulgarian Empire, split into three states warring between each other.
>Serbian Empire, split into 7 states warring between each other
If only one of them wasn't busy fighting itself and others, Turks would have never had a hold in Europe.
You kinda just got lucky and came at the right time.
>>60815095
janissaries were the best and considered the elite.
>>60815100
yes, after a while, which would be right after your army went to shit.
Even most of the Turkish best commanders, were of European and Christian origins.
The Sultans surrounded themselves with Europeans and considered Turks especially those who remained in Anatolia as savages.
In your own language things got so bad, that Turks that lived in Europe couldn't communicate with Turks from Anatolia.
>>60815153
>greeks
>white
>>60815172
That's simply not true, last I checked the Serbian despotate which was the last independent Serbian state, fell in 1459, nearly 100 years later.
>>60815215
>janissaries were the best
literally no
>>60815257
that led to your enslavement, you could've prevented it if you'd win this battle
>>60815268
WUZ
>>60811267
t. Ahmet Değirmencioğlu
>>60815095
>>60815215
aren't sipahis and akıncıs cavalry, and janissaries infantry? why are you two autists comparing them?
>>60815282
EUROPEANS
>>60815293
im not comparing their roles, im compairng their quality and efficency. janissaries were trouble and they were shit tier.
>>60810940
Turks rejected Greece and went with Islam
>>60815340
it should be KHANS REEEEEEE
>>60815276
No, what lead to our enslavement is this
>>60815215
We were fractured in 7 states, warring between each other.
>>60815424
It is not like Turks were united or something. First home of ottomans are Balkans. Unification of Turkic beyliks are much later
>>60811100
>>60815424
as i said, you could've still hold your own shit if you'd win that battle that you should've easily won
>>60815215
there was battles between jannisaries and turks in anatolia during 15th-17th century. they literally get fucked by bunch of farmers. thus ottomans brought whole austrian front to anatolia. which called jalali revolts
jannisaries were more likely blood tax. no muslim empire had 35-40% christian population. empire needed to milk them since islam doesn't allow christians to join army.
>>60811267
being European is a lot more than just geography, that's why there are criteria to join the EU and Turkey has met hardly any of them, if they meet them they can join, but they never will because they are ignorant and backwards islamic barbarians and have been for 1,000 years
>>60815471
citations on that image has been debunked countless times and you are still posting this :/ man i pity armos but at the same time feel sad for them :(
>>60815471
a*menians were even worse. they paid jizzya to moslems for 1000 years, they called them masters then they got removed by them. and they started making up battles on wiki.
pathetic and sad t bh.
>>60815515
>janissary numbers peak at our stagnation and decline era.
it should prove by itself
>>60815528
EU isnt Europe m8
>>60815587
>>60815515
ratio*
>>60815587
>>60815623
>>60815515
From 1402 Janissaries were the number 1 force in your army.
At the greatest extent of your empire janissaries were the number one force.
Your highest ranking leader below sultan, was a Serb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokollu_Mehmed_Pasha
In 1402, Battle of Ankara, we saved your Empire, Serbian and Wallachian Knights.
We got out the Bayezid son from there and the entire Ottoman Treasury.
Bayezid would live too if he listened to us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ankara
>The battle began with a large-scale attack from the Ottomans, countered by swarms of arrows from the Timurid horse archers. Several thousands were killed and many surrendered to Timur. Serbian Prince Stefan Lazarević and his knights together with Wallachian forces successfully fought off the Timurid assaults and cut through the Mongol ranks three times. Each time Stefan advised Bayezid to break out with him, Bayezid declined to do so. But the Serbians managed to save one of Bayezid's sons and the treasury from the Mongols and made their way to Constantinople. The Serbian troops wore heavy black plate armour which was very effective against the Timurid arrows. Timur admired the Serbian troops who according to him "fight like lions".[27][28]
Compared to the European heavy knights, your army was shit.
Compared to European trained soldiers your army was shit.
You were only a force, while Europeans were guiding your army and were the number one force in your army.
Good thread
>>60815768
>From 1402 Janissaries were the number 1 force in your army.
no as it been proved just above. i don't know what they teach you balkans in history classes but janissaries were subpar forces, bad on battlefield, bad on discipline, talentless enough to get beaten by villagers and caused countless trouble that played big part in our stagnation. the entire janissary system was meant to use christians as cannon fodders while controlling their population. it's simple as that.
>>60815591
>this little englanders painful insecurity
Didn't say it was did I?
>>60815768
zengids alone crushed first crusade which i won't bother to post it again since anon posted earlier, nizami jedid crushed napoleon then it's destroyed by jealous janiisaries, jelalis destroyed them earlier stage as well.. i always know about balkan pseudo history. i assume "we were enslaved and conquered by them and forced to pay slave and blood tax to them but some ranks were one of us" considered solid argument in there.
but only jannisary contribution was siege of malta which was failed. they were literally leechers unlike what they told you.
>>60815768
also if you want to citate from quotes, there you go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Military_history_of_the_Ottoman_Empire/Selected_quote
anyway i gotta study now. wasted too much time.
>>60811945
>get ass kicked in 1 on 1 wars with ottomans
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade_of_Varna
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ottoman_War_(1672%E2%80%9376)
>Ottomans siege Vienna
>Take forever to break the walls
>After 2 months Ottomans are exhausted
>Crimeans abandon them
>Christian vassals abandon them
>Small exausted Ottoman force is left
>Smelly poles show up 2 months late
>Play a role in lifting the siege (along with germans and austrians)
>WE SAVED YUROP AND SHIT
Is there a single eastern european shithole that doesn't claim they "saved" europe?
>>60810940
They elected Erdogan that´s enough for me. When they come with somebody who is sane and secular they can apply again if I had any say.
>>60810940
Takbar
>>60810940
Allah Akbir
>>60814560
>I don't really think it is about Atatürk or Erdoğan.
Oh, their influence on your country is massive.
After the ottoman empire died, you had some semi-arabic empire practising theocratic feudalism lying in shambles.
Ataturk followed the model of european secular nationstates, suceeding in a way that giving him the title of the oriental bismark would be appropiate.
Turk was a derogatory term under the ottomans because arabic/imperial culture was valued higher. He gave you an ethnic pride back in exchange for being a superpower but fashioned your country in a way that it was not that different from a typical european state.
The spaniards had the authoritanian Franco still in the 70s mind you and our culture was so conservative it seems like another world looking back to peoples attitudes here in the 60s. Occident and Orient are culturally very different but the general sense of morality and political attitude was most similar during the late 20th century imo.
Im under the impression the common alevite is like our devout catholic of the 60s concerning family/political values as an example.
Now that liberal humanism that swept over from america (our soviet subversion if you ask other people) is our new religion we expect you to live up to its values in our naive arrogance fostered by whatever decadence gave birth to our current state of weakness.
On the other hand wahhabbis are vomiting their interpretation of islam all over the middleeast, alienating the other muzzies from the more secular/old-western minded ones amongst you.
>>60816015
>>60816056
s-senpai is that you
http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-aspirant-japan-arrested-turkey-trying-cross-over-syria-2342462
>>60816094
Because secular nationalism failed and got activly torpedoed by the west too after we grew out of it ourselves and saw it as backwards you are going back to autocratic and theocratic means of governance as it has become apparent that europe is declining.
Just look what erdogan is doing with us at the moment. He activly incites the turkish diaspora here to segregate and turkifie their neighboorhoods. (you can look up quiete blatant and crass statements from him in his speeches towards "our" turks here in germany.)
thus gaining a foothold and influence as turks started getting political influence.
Third generation turks at our lower class schools are often zealous followers of Erdogan.
Then he exploits our limpwristness towards the refugee crisis by getting paid by us for holding back refugees because we are too afraid to be violent ourselves-all the while having the oppurturnity to blackmail us by releasing human waves of syrians.
Of course you dont want to be euros, but the way you are heading to in the long run seems like the other negative extreme desu.
>>60815905
You only train elite units in small numbers, they were your elite units as it's been proven by your picture.
If you insist on wikipedia, here
>. They were subjected to severe discipline, being prohibited from growing a beard, taking up a skill other than soldiering, and marrying. As a result, the Janissaries were extremely well-disciplined troops, and became members of the askeri class, the first-class citizens or military class. Most were non-Muslims, because it was not permissible to enslave a Muslim.[7]
>They began as an elite corps of slaves made up of kidnapped young Christian boys, and became famed for internal cohesion cemented by strict discipline and order.
Why they turned to shit later ?
>According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, "in early days, all Christians were enrolled indiscriminately. Later, those from Albania, Bosnia, and Bulgaria were preferred."[9]
>Later, those from Albania, Bosnia, and Bulgaria were preferred."[9]
There you go, why they turned to shit.
Your commanders were Europeans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokollu_Mehmed_Pasha
> as Grand Vizier (1565–1579, for a total of 14 years, three months, 17 days) under three sultans: Suleiman the Magnificent, Selim II, and Murad III.[3] He was assassinated in 1579, ending his near 15-year rule as de facto ruler of the Ottoman Empire.[3]
A Serb was the de facto leader of Ottoman Empire at it's greatest extent.
>Sokollu Mehmed Pasha (Ottoman Turkish: سوکلو محمد پاشا; Serbo-Croatian: Mehmed-paša Sokolović, Cyrillic: Meхмeд-пaшa Coкoлoвић, pronounced [měxmet pâʃa sokǒːloʋit͡ɕ];[2] 1506 – 11 October 1579) was an Ottoman statesman. Born in Ottoman Bosnia into a Serbian Orthodox family
>>60815955
>>60815948
This proves nothing, Napoleon and other leaders said a lot of stupid shit, example
>Give me 100 000 croatian soldiers and I will conquer the world
.t Napoleon
>>60816108
This jap looks adorable.
Not the stuff jihading barbarians are made off.
According to Turks here, they teach Ottoman conquests as a colonization effort. Possibly to directly demote Balkan Christian entities in a political effort all while euphemising the conquests itself. It is a logical step in Turkish historical self preservation but a gross attack on history itself
>>60816145
>>According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, "in early days, all Christians were enrolled indiscriminately. Later, those from Albania, Bosnia, and Bulgaria were preferred."[9]
>>Later, those from Albania, Bosnia, and Bulgaria were preferred."[9]
Albanians converted pretty late, in the 17-18th century mostly.
>>60816343
At which point they were unable to be janissaries since you can't enslave a muslim.
Turkish army went to shit late 15, early 16th century.
which would be the later about which that quote speaks.
>>60810940
Turkey is not European because they had one single job in the Northeastern part of the country. And they failed.
>>60812238
Pointy
Jesus christ Korea I was eating.
Turkey and Europe two words that shouldn't be used in the same sentence.
>>60811267
>America owns a tiny bit of Asia
>therefore America and Americans are Asian
>>60815578
>those battles didn't happened!
I guess genocide isn't the only thing you're denying
>>60816145
Turks get Serb'd
