French or Italian?
what are you even asking
>>60793653
France. Italy isn't organized enough.
>>60793692
Language, culture(s), people
>>60793768
varies immensely for italy depending on the region so i can't give you a clear answer. france has a more unified national culture and national identity.
>>60793653
Italie is less white
>>60794855
Debatable
>>60793653
>>60793768
>Language
Italian
>Culture(s)
French
>People
Italian
>>60793653
A mix of both.
Just imagine how good it can be.
>>60794927
That's called Nice
>>60794927
We should really unite ourselves
>>60795088
And it's pretty nice.
corsica!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h6CXMaXE-s
>>60795154
>>60795154
The south east should go to italy, the south west to spain, britanny and normandy to the uk, the north to the greater netherlands, the east to germany.
>>60795374
Disgusting
>>60795374
Then we invade the Benelux, we reform the Frankish Empire, WE INVADE GERMANY, SWITZERLAND, AND CATALONIA AND MAYBE THE BALKANS, AUSTRIA, THE WHOLE SPAIN AND AND AND
>>60795154
>>60795374
Fuck off. I don't want to unite with a mudslime country. Go join the Arab union.
>>60793768
Italian, french, neither
>>60795554
Southern Italy is already a muslim shithole 2bh
>>60795374
The only thing worth in europe.
Other countries are disgusting and pleb as fuck.
>>60793653
I vote for fr*nce
>>60795374
>that flag
W E T
>>60795436
>>60795554
That's okay, I prefer Germanic countries.
>>60795743
>anglos
>>60795743
I don't want to be British
MAKE RED BLUE AGAIN
>>60795154
We wouldn't want.
>>60793653
>my country is 18% Italian
GET THEM OUT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>60795765
Cucks like other cucks.
>>60795963
lmao
Just ask one of your fellow dagoman, he will tell you "ma qué !!! muslims are welcome here !!! Mussolini bad bad !!!"
Don't call us cucks, cuck
>>60795963
ma qué !!! muslims are welcome here !!! Mussolini bad bad !!!
>being a shithole
Italy
>everything else
France
>>60795851
what's wrong with italians, exactly?
also notice that italian diaspora=/=italians
>>60796035
>>60796105
Did you really use a proxy for this stupid shit? Enjoy your nigger caliphate. France and Sweden are going to be the first countries to fall.
>>60796174
Brown effeminate cucks, show off cunts, arab rapebaby scum
France
>a varied history of conquests, inspiration, fine dining, beautiful sophisticated women, poetic language, breathtaking landmarks and countrysides, etc
Italy
>eyyyy gimme da spaghetti and meatballs! i gotta fine wine from my brother Vivicini eyyy spaghetti and meatballs
>>60796227
That's not how you spell UK
>>60796174
Dunno
>>60796227
>proxy
No. Who d'you think I'm ?
>>60795743
desu
>>60796265
You have double the amount of mudslimes as them. France is literally 10% muslim.
>>60796300
I'm okay with this, Serbro
>>60796300
Disgusting
Even pic related is better
>>60796235
Moors never conquered any part of the peninsula.
>>60796174
>Refuse to assimilate
>Speak Italian all the time
>Smell like a bottle of cologne all the time
>Their shouting voices are their whispering voices
>They try to tell me about my own country
>>60796410
I don't see the issue with my image, I could only see some reasoning with Sardinia, Venice and Alasce staying in France, but everything should be French rather than Italian or Spanish
>Catalans and North Italians are Gallo-Romance, like the French
>Basques are far more culturally linked to France, even to the point of Basque berets becoming French stereotypes
>>60795154
it would be like the ancient tower of Babel as neither French nor Italian are able to learn a foreign language
>>60796410
>implying Spain is relevant nowadays
>you don't even have the right to post in this thread peasant
>>60796581
You're a Ligurian, bro.
>>60793653
The french are great and the Italians are cultured
>>60796666
Chill out, Satan
>>60796581
well, you're literally a non country so I don't see why your opinion should matter
>>60796725
Hey.
Be cool with Monaco.
>>60796235
>arab rapebaby scum
So much sarcasm, Jose De la Couthinho...
>>60793768
>Language
france
>culture(s)
italy probably
>people
the italians seem more welcoming but are more likely to fuck your wife/gf/sister/mother/dog but the french are snooty. Call it a tie
>>60796700
This country existed before the Lingurians ever came here, and the Grimaldi family has been effectively Frankified.
Our official language is French, and the majority of our population is French, deal with it.
I prefer French food but I prefer Italian people
>>60796666
Implying i'm spanish and not a foreigner enjoying spain fine weather
>>60796848
what
most people would say the opposite
>>60796923
CHAV
>>60796796
>the majority of our population is French
exactly, not everybody. Your little excuse of a nation is always been multicultural and multiethnical, so it's you who need to deal that italians have always been there and get over it.
>>60796796
You don't get it. Your area has always been culturally and ethnically Ligurian. You're a Ligurian who speaks French.
>>60794855
>France
>white
>>60793653
italian
>>60796978
>it's you who need to deal that italians have always been there and get over it.
Fucking Italians say this shit everytime. Ethnic Monégasques haven't been Lingurian since the 1400s, they're all French by blood.
Getting outbred doesn't give you a right to anything.
>>60796953
Nope, i'm a fellow frenchman
>>60797099
GABACHO
>>60797099
Where are you bro ?
>>60797220
Where am i from or where am i staying in spain ?
>>60797087
Monégasque is a dialect of Ligurian.
>>60797343
Im in malaga
>>60793653
test
>>60797087
>Ethnic Monégasques are all French by blood
but that would include 18% of shitalians, amirite? ;)
>>60796666
>a Frenchman calling someone else a peasant as an insult
How deeply ironic
>France will NEVER EVER have cities of great historical and cultural significance like Rome, Florence, Venice and Vatican City.
>they only have Paris which is a literal African colony in Europe
I swear, if Merdazzogiorno didn't drag us down we would beat them at everything.
>>60798047
That's why we are a unified country you know?
Before France created Italy you were just a bunch of backstabbers. We are a old nation, Italy is new and already forgotten. And Venice will be under water in 30 years.
>>60798047
Lyon ? Toulouse ? Bordeaux ? Orléans ? Strasbourg ? :^)
>>60798256
We were better off under city-states anyway. You and the Savoy bastard turned the peninsula into an irrelevant shithole.
>>60798336
Nowhere near as important as any of the cities I mentioned. France is too centralized around your capital. We have more diversity because of the city-states.
>>60798047
Maybecause "Italy" used to be a shiton of small states and France a fucking Centralised Kingdom/Republic where all the other cities are ignored.
>>60798336
literally who?
And new orleans is in usa m8
>>60798450
Yea, I understand, Orléans is a shithole, Tours is better desu
>>60798424
Come on, Venice is just a touristic place and Vatican is not even Italy.
>>60798336
>Lyon
>Toulouse
>Bordeaux
>Orléans
>Strasbourg
vs
>Milan
>Florence
>Venice
>Turin
>Bologna
nigga please
>>60795154
It already happenned a lot in history.
We were always close and especially with south east of france which i'm from.
>>60798554
Strasbourg wins, desu
>>60798554
And?
>>60798500
One of the most important touristic places in the world:
http://www.eupedia.com/italy/highlights_italy.shtml
http://www.eupedia.com/france/highlights_france.shtml
>>60798554
You can add Marseille, Lille, Grenoble, Nice, Nantes, Montpellier
>>60798634
Marseille and Lille are disgusting shitholes, lad.
>>60798583
Yes, maybe, its german clay anyway
>>60798736
And Italy is Austrian clay.
>>60798634
you can add Pisa, Assisi, Naples, Palermo and basically every region's chief town
>>60798583
I don't like gothic architecture.
>>60798634
>Nice
Don't you dare.
>>60798774
only trieste and gorizia T B H
can't argue with that, they did a pretty good job
MAMA MIA, ITALY IS-A BETTER THAN-A FRANCE-A BECAUSE WE-A WUZ ROMANS AND-A CHEFS AND-A SHIT. WE-A MADE THE SPICY-A MEATBALL
>>60798832
all true except for the last part
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/eupedia_rating_system.shtml
>his country doesn't have three of the greatest European cities inside it
>London and Paris are both Muslim shitholes
Lmaoing @ your life
>>60798792
Your cities are only known because they have football clubs and some food recipes named after them
>>60798958
Xd muslim shithole XDDDDD
Argument of the year, get back to /pol/ and get a life
lmao
They always say we're arrogant, but look at Italians ITT
>>60799044
The french surrender, what a shock kek
Moooonkey
>>60799044
It's maybe just one frustrated guy
>>60799135
>just one guy
HA ! You don't know Italians
>>60798634
>Marseille
Kek, this disgusting city full of fucking beurettes
>>60799347
>tfw no beurette gf
>>60799380
Fun fact: You can only fuck them by the back door because the front door is haram before wedding.
>>60798591
not a single city in emilia-romagna is rated 4 stars at least? what the fuck. fucking bullshit.
>>60793653
Reminder that neither of those are white since they both speak romance languages.
>>60800984
Your language sounds like throat cancer tbqh
>>60797410
I'm in Granada
>>60800984
Daily reminder we're the original franks :^)
>>60801641
Eh too bad, not feeling rly confident picking chicks alone, maybe will end up too>>60801726
>>60797396
>Speaking a language makes you genetically the same as someone else
Italian logic
>>60797476
Monégasques are not counted as Italians here.
>>60802262
What did he mean by this
France is part of Spain, ruled by our King Felipe VI
Italy is great as well, but France is the highest form of human achievement. All of human history has been building up to France and the French culture. Truly, it is the greatest thing that will ever exist on Earth.
>>60802376
Look, go be butthurt somewhere else, k?
>>60803085
>>60802631
Just shut the fuck up.
You've been sucking France's dick for days now. You are either a proxy or just an obsessed autist
>>60793653
French, even though I'm part Italian
:^)
>>60803195
What is wrong with what I am saying? Some factual error?
>>60803195
there's nothing wrong with liking France
>>60803133
No one wants to join your thread Guiseppe, it's like the color of your skin, shit.
>>60803722
Rare,i mistook you for Poland/Indonesia again.
Enjoying that HDI,bro?
filthy italian scum
The french are pompous assholes
both
italian ofc
there are some mafia in italy
french have only arabs
France is the only place on Earth where natives will mock you for learning their language instead of being supportive. This guy took a lot of time to learn my language it is great idea to be impolite for him!
Notes from France:
>Unless you find a good ethnic restaurant or the ubiquitous Italian ristorante-pizzeria, you are stuck with French cuisine, which is overrated at best.
>French restaurants have a well-deserved reputation for the worst service in the world (you will wait forever for a waiter to show up, bring you the food, bring you the bill, etc).
>Smoking in your face is a national passtime, so always prefer tables outside. (This is rapidly improving and now most restaurants have a non-smoking section). Unfortunately, the government is not cooperating. On most trains, the non-smoking cars are the first ones to get sold out. People are virtually forced to travel in smoking sections, unless they can plan their travel way ahead.
>>60807055
Language is a problem, compared with the rest of the world. Most French speak only one language. I was at a station (a place where many tourists go) and asked (in my broken French) one of the tellers whether she spoke English, German, Spanish or Italian. She asked me (in French) why I didn't learn French before coming to France. I told her (in French) that I was traveling through Portugal, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Hungary, Poland: was I supposed to learn all of those languages? She mumbled something (still in French), didn't seem to be grateful that I was making my best effort to speak her language, and didn't make the slightest effort to make it easier for me to understand her French. Alas, this is not the exception, but often the rule. Even in border areas like Strasbourg or Nice you will not find many people who speak a second language. While better than USA citizens, the French are still a long way from accepting that there exist other languages and that French (unlike English, Russian, Spanish or Arabic) is spoken pretty much only in France, therefore it is not the language a traveler would learn first.
>>60806905
This scares me so much. Honestly is makes me want to give up learning French sometimes.
They might never accept me into their culture ;(
>>60807113
Learn Italian instead. Much easier to learn. Much better people. Much better history and art.
>>60807224
If I give up on French for this reason, I would likely learn Castilian Spanish. Spain seems to have a lot more to offer, and overall seems like a nicer place to live.
>>60807055
It has been forbidden to smoke inside a public space (restaurant, train or train station...) for 10 years now.
People can only dmoke at home or in the street
>>60807055
Everything just told is bullshit.
Go back getting shot Deshawn.
>>60807513
>>60807443
Could either of you spread some insight on >>60806905 ?
>>60807572
Never saw someone being rude for a foreigner trying to speak except for salarymen that are late for work and don't want to deal with tourists.
Most of people won't be helpful because they can't speak english but rude attitude is probably only a parisian thing, that's also why every part of france hates parisians
As for the smoke thing posted earlier, smoking/non-smoking areas doesn't exist anymore everything is non smoking
>>60807224
>Italy
>History
Top kek. Italians were too busy being balkanized while France was conquering the fucking world.
>>60807685
Thank you, you have reignited my enthusiasm.
>>60807572
>I should have compassion with an anglo who got mocked for being an anglo ?
No seriously, nobody really give a shit over here, most French don't speak English or other languages, that's true. So you don't really get "helped", but that's simply because most can't.
And mocking is relative, I doubt there's people who get pleasure out of mocking a person learning the language. I guess he just said something funny, people laughed, autismo kicked in, and so he thinks people were mocking him.
>>60807751
All right. Thank you for the response.
>>60793653
Both, the food is too good and I like learning the recipes
>>60807747
Don't expect anything from Paris and if some people actually know how to talk in english don't expect them to be too numerous.
Some french will be rude, but keep in mind that french are also very rude between themselves.
>>60807911
I am glad that not many speak English, it means that they will not be as encouraged to switch to English.
>>60807911
Unrelated but is it really seen as rude to not talk much or say hi to owners/cashiers when shopping in stores?
>>60807911
This. The rude thing is maybe true but it's towards anybody, not just foreigners.
>>60807957
Actually some will try to switch in english because instinctively they think it's easier for you to understand no matter how shit their English are
>>60807968
Nope.
Except if they say hi and you don't reply.
>>60808021
Are there areas that have nicer people usually?
>>60807968
>to not talk much
no, that's fine.
>say hi to owners/cashiers
well, not even greeting is rude everywhere.
>>60808059
Nicest people I've ever met were near the Luxembourg border. Alsace/Lorraine (legit clay) is known for being welcoming
>>60808124
Nice. What about Bretagne?
>>60808059
No. The french are a sick depraved people and history proves this.
>>60808147
they will run at you with torches and forks, they'll capture you and keep you until you told them all the secrets of independence.
>>60808147
I know they're super butthurt about Normandy (especially because of Mont St michel). Don't know too much about their attitude towards foreigners.
>>60808147
Alright except if you say something about Normandy
>>60808222
>>60808197
What is their problem with Normandy?
>>60808228
People forget that france was a federation a long time ago and that some regions got historical grievances on each others not only those 2
Bretagne was an England thing while Normandy was a norsemen/viking area
Outside the past history, both regions fight for Mont st michel, who makes the better cider etc etc. And even if exceptions exist, a breton will always be look down by normands and opposite.
>>60808228
Middle age past grievances, wars + banter
>>60808228
bantère.
>>60793653
Italy
>>60799044
we're better than you even at being arrogant, lmao
>>60793768
>Language
French, Italian sounds ugly desu
>Culture
Italian hands down
>People
Neither
TOSCANA
>>60796581
>>Refuse to assimilate
literally the opposite is true
>>60810530
>>60793653
fuck italy and fuck france
TOSCANA MASTERRACE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVbgv7bIR_c
>>60810728
nice flowers.
>>60810728
my nigga.
>>60810728
Pizza coat of arms.
>>60796250
Italy
>The birthplace of one of the worlds greatest empires and the cradle of the European Renaissance. From the beautiful Mediterranean vistas to unique regional flavored of different areas in Italy, the country is undoubtedly one of the most beautiful in the world.
France
>Hon hon! Muh democracy hon hon! Vould you like a baguette vith your wine? Ahhh! Ve surrender!
>>60798825
Tyrol is majority German speakers mio amico.
>>60812201
Except for their capital HAHAHAHAHA. Snowniggers btfo.
>>60812337
Whatever you say.
>>60812520
SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT
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Those snowniggers will never take Bolzano away from us.
>>60812337
>>60812664
Hey you're the olivenigger, stop appropriating our insults for you and then changing them
>>60812689
t. butthurt irrelevant snownigger
>>60812664
One thing you and France have in common have is that you both have rightful German clay.
>>60812828
At least I'm not an Italian olivenigger
>>60812864
>rightful German clay.
ayyy lmao
>>60812864
Map is bullshit. Trentino is 100% Italian. And parts of South Tyrol are majority Italian speaking.
>>60813007
Ok, Trentino is Italian, but South Tyrol as a whole is majority German.
>>60812975
Yeah, you're only an inferior snownigger who was civilized by the mediterranean master race.
>>60803195
He is right, though
>>60813036
Meds are the nigger now and have been for hundreds of years. You're mad you work for a guy named Hans.
>>60812864
the only rightful german clay is the tartarus
>>60813161
>>60796235
>Brown effeminate
you are talking about spain
>>60813292
He's some Britshit tourist. Don't fall for it.
>>60813313
Antonio Banderas is spanish, not British
>>60813428
I mean the guy you were responding to.
>>60795520
Only thing you'll end up doing is retreat, as always. Once you loose the italian part will cheat on you, as always aswell.
We both are best states in Europe.
Fuck Germany and its shitskins, we are(well, Italians are, but whatever) bastions of whiteness and culture.
>>60813545
I'm sorry to crush your dreams, but France is just as bad as Germany in that regard.
>>60813539
Fuck you slavshit snownigger. Get out this thread.
>>60795520
>>60814121
NEXT
RUSSIA
AHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
i swear it's in our blood to try and invade russia.
>>60793653
I like Italy a lot but I'm afraid I will have to side with my frenchbros on this one, sorry Luigi.
>>60816655
why crumpet-senpai?
>>60816655
No problem, Nigel. Shitaly is a fake country anyway. It should be split into Padania, Toscana, Papal states and Naples/Sicily.
>>60812975
shoooo shooo leaf
Italy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> France
>>60793653
Italy
>>60793653
France.
>>60797051
she's hot, alright
who's her husband again ?
>>60793653
Italy of course
>>60819907
Italian women were made for the french cock
>>60821007
They can have them. They're ugly anyway.
>>60807055
>Loi Evin
>No smoking allowed in public space
>1991
USA. The post
Veneto >>>>>>>>>> Francia
>inb4 it's not a country
I don't care. Fuck Italia. Obviously they're better than us as a whole because of the human garbage living in the south and that cursed nigger island.
>>60796235
>arab rapebaby scum
The irony...
I want to visit Veneto (rovigo especially)... I still have family there.
What should I expect from there?
>>60823267
Don't go during the summer if you plan on visiting Venice. The smell gets kinda bad because of all the algae there producing a chemical reaction.
