Brexit appears to be happening.
Opinions on this?
good
Respect your decision. Similar to us in a sense.
>>60783182
Hope you will deliver some happenings.
2 bly carh
>>60783182
>Opinions on this
dumb people are making too difficult decisions.
your untalented pm faggot will absolutely have his name in history.
>>60783182
won't happen. farming british butthurt after election would be awesome though.
IT
IS
HAPPENING
Good..................luck. Brits.
Brexit
How long until you will be able to renegotiate all the important deals with the EU?
This doesn't bode well for anyone
>>60783182
I feel quite indifferent about the future fate of UK.
But it is rather interesting, though. I want to thank you for the show.
>>60783182
The fire rises.
>>60787371
It's going to be a shitstorm
If Boris Johnson becomes PM, they won't negotiate shit
Eastern Europe should leave, not the UK.
Why do EUropeans want us to stay in the EU?
Why do you not support the collapse of such a shitty union?
>>60783182
I hope it happens
>>60787457
In case of a Brexit, there's no way the rest of the EU will let them keep any of the membership benefits. They will have to renegotiate
>>60787473
Thank you Belaruse
CRASHING THIS GERMAN POLITICAL EMPIRE
WITH NO (0) SURVIVORS
>>60787463
I don't care about the others, but yes pls, kick us out already
>>60787471
Because we are one of the few that provides money to the EU. So when we leave the parasites will get less and the other contributors will have to give more.
>>60787551
I know.
If European leaders don't want others and eventually France to follow, then they have to show on Britain that leaving the EU is a bad idea.
If the post-Brexit UK succeeds, then the EU is dead.
>>60787872
That means the UK won't be able to get a good deal
>>60783309
Britain has former colonies to count on. What do we have?
>>60787922
And with the fact that we import far more than we export that is only going to hurt European businesses.
>>60788033
Angry Koreans
>>60788068
What.
Flip your statement - it goes both ways m8
>>60788068
It's going to hurt you more.
It won't be anything personal, but British economic depression is in the EU's existential interest.
There were already some talks between the EU top dogs about this. The Financial Times reported it.
>>60788068
This >>60788178. If you then consider the difference in size between the British economy and the combined economy of the rest of the EU, you'll find that you guys are actually off worse.
>>60788250
the EU has depressed all European economies
>>60788365
It's actually pretty fucking cruel
British working class was taught by their tabloids to hate the EU and now it will be them who are going to bear the brunt of repercussions, not rich media moguls
>>60788415
Yes. Austerity is a disaster and it's not working.
>>60788503
>British working class was taught by their tabloids to hate the EU
Where are you getting this garbage? They're voting leave to control immigration.
>>60788503
most of the media is pro-eu, their propaganda just keeps backfiring
also 2-1, losers
>>60788562
>media
Yes, that's why I said tabloids
>>60788560
The British immigration problem has more to do with commonwealth Pakis and Poo in the Loos than with Schengen.
>leave EU to rejoin EU lite anyway
whole lotta nothing
Scotland indieref 2.0
>>60788624
shhhh dont tell them that
>all these jelly continentals
Britain isn't Europe who cares
>>60788624
Both, half of it is EU, and the government uses the EU as an excuse not to cut immigration when 77% of us want it lowered heavily.
The Labour voters are going leave en masse against the party's will for this.
>>60788749
can i leave with u?
>>60788739
a large amount of the mussys coming to the country these days is from the EU, particularly you and Germany because you're a cesspit of terrorism
>>60783182
exit polls won't take into account the paki and pole vote bro. Who wants to ask pakis or poles their opinion?
>>60787463
Would probably vote stay if all those commie shitholes weren't in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKYSM2dhWE0
Genuinely good video and just over 5 minutes for the normies
Share it
>>60783182
Just do it but please don't fuck up afterwards. You need to show Europe the EU is not necessary for survival.
The European Union is a financial disaster, and seriously bungled the refugee/migrant crisis.
Still, I've read reports that Brexit might be disastrous for the British economy.
>>60788883
Old farts want to leave and that's what matters
They always have reliably high turnout
>>60787457
>If Boris Johnson becomes PM, they won't negotiate shit
Will never happen, he is seen as the mad old uncle who clowns around, amusing to be around but no one wants him as head of the family.
>>60788938
>if we choose to give up our sovereignty now.............................................................
my sides, please vote stay I need doctors to sew me up. Literally teenage lowest common denominator hero bait. Complete rubbish designed to scare the stupid and the poorly educated, subnormal scum go back to your anime and your pillow girlfriend.
>>60789070
>amusing to be around but no one wants him as head of the family
I don't think so. He's seen as charismatic and outgoing.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Tories elect him as their leader after Cameron resigns.
>>60789002
>Still, I've read reports that Brexit might be disastrous for the British economy.
Hardly. There might be short term panic but that's about it. Most of Britain's economy is the CIty and that one will do just fine without the EU.
>>60788938
He starts with selectively providing the one statistic that makes it seem the UK has little trade with the EU.
He should have showed the number of UK businesses that trade with the EU against the total number of businesses that deal with foreign trade in general. Every country has lots of local businesses.
Look here for how much of British trade is actually with the EU.
https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/OverseasTradeStatistics/Pages/EU_and_Non-EU_Data.aspx
The great question is, seeing as about 50% of British international trade is with the EU.
As long as you guys are in the EU, people might prefer to import from Britain over China because of the ease and the lack of taxes on importing from within the EU.
Leaving the EU will have you compete against China, gl.
It's also really stupid to believe that leaving the EU will suddenly put a complete stop to all immigration from EU countries.
>>60789394
*The great question, seeing as about 50% of British international trade is with the EU, is how much this trade benefits from the EU free trade.
The EP has no power and the executive isn't elected, which is obviously a problem. On the other hand, immigration isn't hurting the country's economy nearly as much as you think, regardless of whatever effect it may be having on "the national identity" or whatever.
Leaving would probably be a disaster, but the EU has to change somehow or other.
>>60789394
>It's also really stupid to believe that leaving the EU will suddenly put a complete stop to all immigration from EU countries.
This is not about facts, we're dealing with emotions.
Referenda are popular tools of populists.
It's like watching a man threatening to blow his brains out and you're trying to talk him out of it. And then he does it anyway out of spite.
>>60783182
That's extremely close, and I remember some polls briefly showing support for Scottish independence just before the referendum
I predict Britain will choose conservative complacency as usual and remain a part of the EU
>>60783182
good, hopefully your newspapers will stop shitposting about us
>>60788033
The cold loneliness you created.
>>60788033
the spirit of the warrior!
>>60783182
death to the EU sdm
>mfw you'll successfully vote to leave
>mfw at the last minute the polls will 'change slightly' and you'll be forced to stay
>mfw some high-level informational leak will reveal that EU officials ordered a skew on the data to make you stay in, only slightly
>mfw it will be proven that you cannot leave
>mfw you have a war akin to the civil war and states trying to the federation
this might seem like a crazy idea, but why not lobby for increased transparency regarding the bureaucracy of the EU with the threat of exiting instead of just flat out exiting the EU?
Booked the day off work to party
>>60783182
Voters will often vote for stability at the last moment. People will often voice their dissatisfaction in opinion polls but in the back of their minds know that raw economic arguments are right.
>>60789537
Yup. It's pretty sad.
The polls are always slightly misleading on issues like these though. When confronted with the actual choice, many people go for the safer option in the end and will vote 'stay'.
At least they won't be able to bring up this stupid issue again in the near future.
>>60789779
Because sith deal in absolutes.
>>60789840
kek, hivemind
>>60783182
The beginning of the end of the EU. Also the beginning of another Scotland referendum
This referendum will show us how many retards there are in the UK. It's almost as bad as when Scotland was threatening to leave.
>>60789840
I don't think it works here.
Many people don't know how the EU works and what it does.
Politicians are elected on the national level, so it makes sense they blame all the bad on the EU and take the credit for all the good.
Young people are generally for remain, but it's hard to mobilise for status quo. The elderly who are generally afraid of change want to leave and they're going to show up on the ballot box.
They are indeed afraid of change, but this change is personified in the EU - globalisation and multiculturalism.
>eternal anglo literally quoting a """newspaper""" that nobody knows, even i've never seen that """newspaper""" on paper form.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3638055/50-perverts-killed-bar-Homophobic-headline-Turkish-newspaper-website-strong-ties-country-s-President-Erdogan.html
anti turk shilling is stronk tbqh, please leave eu so this shilling comes to an end. it's kinda like lurking stormfront and making headlines " right wing KKK supporter murican website wants to nuke people".
>>60790300
Stop reading the daily mail.
>>60790300
It's a tactic.
They're flooding public discourse with lots of hoaxes and half-truths and it doesn't matter if you debunk those myths, you're already in a defensive and they're setting the tone of a debate.
>>60789834
have a nice party then
>>60790343
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1271200/more-than-100000-turks-a-year-will-flock-to-britain-after-it-joins-the-eu-pushing-net-migration-to-a-staggering-420000/
what about this? literally nobody cares/thinks about immigrating england in here and getting visa isn't even hard. i don't know if i should just cringe or accept those at temporary propaganda.
Voting Leave mostly in the hope Scotland will finally fuck off if I'm honest
>>60783182
Betting shop odds still massively favoring remain tells the real story.
I just say Quebec referendum.
>>60783182
Death to Germany
so britain will essentially become a big american aircraft carrier of the coast of greater germania
>>60791478
>massively
Nope have another look, they've been cut loads over the last few days.
Currently at 4/6 to stay and 6/5 to leave.
>>60791910
Yeah it's about the opposite of what the polls would suggest.
>>60783182
good luck, fuck the eu
>>60789394
50% of Britain's international trade is with the EU because the EU doesn't allow Britain to sign trade agreements with any other countries. A UK outside of the EU can sign tailored, bilateral agreements accommodating the UK's specific circumstances with the United States, with Canada, and with every other sovereign state on Earth (i.e. every state that isn't an EU member). Brexit isn't closing the door to Europe, it's opening the door to planet Earth.
Why would the United Kingdom want to focus its international trade on what has been the most economically stagnant continent in the world for decades?
>>60788033
>Britain has former colonies to count on
t. clueless nipp
>>60788560
fuck off immigrants from the EU arent as bad as the ones from other parts of the world and its only like half of the total anyway
>>60793322
>the EU doesn't allow Britain to sign trade agreements with any other countries.
well, yea thats the point. We make agreements as a bloc of 27 countries of 500 million, rather than on our own. And if we leave we loose access to the single market and the 50 or 60 trade agreements the EU has in place
Also, they're by far our largest export and our neighbors, of course we're going to focus trade on them.
>all these ill-educated neckbeards and tedious old people voting to leave.
>literally no appreciation for being European
Absolutely disgusting t b h
>>60793322
It's not growing any more because it has reached a massive size already.
Preferring potential over already realized potential is completely retarded.
Nobody is stopping Britain from signing trade agreements, what is this bullshit? Why on earth would the EU not allow Britain to sign trade agreements?
I don't get it when people in the EU say you shouldn't be able to get the good things about the EU without the bad.
What are the bad? Why does anyone want them? I guess people mean people from poor countries moving to rich and taking all the shit jobs.
>>60793980
like what
and the way to do it is fix the bad through reform like we have been doing, not get out and run
>>60793933
>Nobody is stopping Britain from signing trade agreements, what is this bullshit? Why on earth would the EU not allow Britain to sign trade agreements?
Because the EU is a political union
>>60794051
>Reform
There's that word again, Dave couldn't get some good changes even while begging to have something to stop people voting leave.
>>60794068
That makes perfect sense, I now completely see what the EU would have to gain by not allowing Britain to sign trade agreements.
>>60783182
>Opinions on this?
It would be shot in a foot. Idiotic solution
>>60794119
I don't know if you're joking, the EU is one trade bloc economically, it is a single entitiy. It is one thing politically. Britain can't made trade agreements because it is just a part of a greater bloc just like Texas can't made trade agreements because the US is one economic entity.
>>60794118
well one of them was maybe kind of important
>"It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union."
>"...the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom."
And what else do you want? We have a lot of influence in it but have so many exemptions (schengen, euro, political integration etc.)
>>60794271
I never understood this
can we only trade with what the EU can trade with? I thought we didnt have one with the US, how can we trade with them?
>>60794432
We trade with the US with tariffs on things
>>60794271
It can't make free trade agreements that go around EU protectionism and would practically make other states part of the EU. It can make pretty much any kind of agreement that doesn't compromise the EU economy.
Negotiating new trade deals for the UK will take a very long time, and will have lower priority for nations than negotiating deals with the EU. You're not opening up anything.
Plus you do want to trade with the EU, we're close and wealthy. You simply can not move all your trades to non-EU countries, and thus will still be subject to most of the EU's rules in anything you produce that you might possibly want to export to the EU.
Only when you're not part of the EU, you don't have any say in those rules.
>>60794432
because Americans occasionally like to buy shit from the UK, and British occasionally like to buy shit from the USA. Tariffs do not mean your economy is completely cut off, I've owned cars made in Britain and I've only traveled to Canada twice. British shit typically costs a little more, but its better made than NAFTA crap we get from Canada and Mexico.
Welcome to the global economy, you trade with whomever you want and are not forced into being Germany's little bitch.
Can't wait, it would pave the path to Putin's glorious Eurasian Union.
>>60783182
what will it change. nothing
>>60783182
Godspeed UK
Rupert Murdoch is cumming in his pants right now. It's amazing how much you can change the world and direct people by controlling the papers.
>>60797019
>tfw I used to have a subscribtion to The Times
He's never going to another dime from me
>>60789070
You're saying that Boris isn't by far the most popular politician since TB?
>>60788503
Media and tabloids are mostly remain you retard
>>60788033
High technology, declining birthrates and xenophobia.
Sounds comfy as fuck to be honest.
>>60783182
EU can't claim to be larger than the US anymore.
>>60789394
EU forces the UK to negotiate treaties only the EU approves.
>>60797414
So this whole chirade has been orchestrated to preserve US number-peen.
Couldn't handle not being #1?
>>60789840
You overestimate the intelligence of the average Brit.
>>60797367
No they're not
http://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/study-shows-majority-press-coverage-eu-referendum-campaign-was-heavily-skewed-favour-brexit
Saying the tabloids are favouring remain is just pants on head retarded even without that study.
>>60791478
Recent bets are 60% leave 40% remain
Long-term bets are 60% remain 40% leave.
Nice shitpost though
>>60797443
not only that, but the trade regulations make it impossible for new industries to grow without the will of the free market
Honestly it might quash euroscepticism eslewhere in the EU when people will see what will happen to the UK after they leave. Tens of billions of pound have already vanished from the UK economy, and that was just because polls were leaning towards leave. This is peanuts compared to what actual brexit will do
>>60793751
>And if we leave we loose access to the single market and the 50 or 60 trade agreements the EU has in place
And it would be plausible to renegotiate these treaties during the 2 year transition.
Chile negotiated 75 in the last 2 years.
>>60793905
You are from fucking New Zealand.
>>60797603
What do you think trade negotiations involve? It's not just two parties agreeing to trade with each other without tarifs, there is asymmetry in the advantages of each agreement determined by how economically powerful the parties are relative to one another. The UK negotiating with China is far better better for China than the whole EU negotiating with China.
>>60797538
I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say, here are the real odds though:
Remain 1.59
Leave 2.34
I.e. by betting £1 on remain, you win 59p if you're right, by betting £1 on leave, you win £1.34, over twice as much.
You fucking dumbass.
>>60797765
Bookies odds are more reflective of how people are betting in general than how likely the outcome actually is. They generate money by modifying the winnings according to how much they get from people betting on each outcome.
>>60797514
>press coverage
>what I said
Anon...
>>60797765
Gambling is illegal in most of America, don't be so cruel.
>>60797735
Yes but with 28 other nations that all have to approve the treaty, the EU is never going to fucking negotiate decent trade treaties.
With EU
More market power and better negotiators
But 28 countries and 28 parliaments
Without EU
Full independence
Less market power and weaker negotiators.
Then again, China has FTA's with EVERY European country that is NOT EU.
>>60797765
More people have put money on remain, so the odds are lower to avoid a big payout.
>>60797853
Yes, tabloids are overwhelmingly for leaving
>The Daily Mail included the most pro-leave articles followed by The Daily Express, The Daily Star, The Sun and The Daily Telegraph
If you lived here it would be blindingly obvious. To say tabloids are mostly pro-remain is spectacularly ill-informed.
>>60797765
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-14/why-bookies-are-still-pretty-sure-brexit-isn-t-going-to-happen
Current odds are 60-40 remain.
>>60797836
>>60797969
No this is not how it works at all. Don't know where you guys got this myth from.
Most bets for the Scottish independence referendum were for Yes yet it still had a great payout while the one for No was still shit given how unlikely it was. Still made 25% profit but oh well. The bookies though made some great money from idiots that day who thought throwing money at something would make it true.
>>60798026
You just said in your previous post it was 60-40 leave. Either way your article is agreeing with what I'm saying.
>>60798212
The Scottish referendum was nowhere near as close.
>>60798212
I can understand betting on sports, but betting on politics seems strange for some reason
>>60797765
odds are starting to favour leave, they'll soon become even if the polls keep on going the way they are going
it's because polls were favouring remain, they are now showing leave as can be seen in the op image
>>60798212
>agreeing with what I am saying
>Betting shop odds still massively favoring remain tells the real story.
>massively favoring
For those comparing this to the scottish referendum please check the polls before comparing them, they aren't really similar at all.
Scotland was remain the whole way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014#2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#2016
>>60798310
I guess it is more predictable, and therefore less risky and stupid.
It's still decadence and degeneracy though.
>>60789696
can't wait
although it won't be a good time to be non-white
>work in the uk
>have thousands of £££ in the saved in the bank
if you leave:
>all my hard earned savings will be work fuck all overnight
>I will have to spend 4-6 hours a day everyday in border checkpoints with guns being pointed in my face
>my fucking face when
Supposedly it'll make us even wealthier so I'm all for it.
>>60797938
Well since you say the EU can't produce decent trade agreements, what EU trade treaties do you find deficient? And again, merely having a trade agreement doesn't say anything about the quality of it, especially for the economically smaller party. China negotiated a deal with Iceland with the view of influencing Iceland as an ally in the Arctic council (unless you believe they were really that interested in the fish exports).
>>60798369
Yes 60-40 is massive. 60% in politics is quite a big lead. When if you went by the polls, it should be UNDER 50%. It's a massive discrepancy.
>>60798310
They were practically giving money away. The odds for Yes were <1% to any thinking person at that time yet they gave you around 25% profit for No a couple days before the referendum. Very generous.
>>60798443
why don't you exchange all those £££ for some €€€ and put them in a nice, european, greek bank?
>>60798443
I doubt they'll close the NI border, the UK and Ireland have has common travel since Irish independence and you're not in schengen so it doesn't matter.
>>60797603
Greenland took 2 years to leave the EEC
How the fuck are we supposed to leave the EU in the same amount of time?
>>60789696
That's basically what happened with the (rigged) Québec referendum, it didn't matter what Québecois actually wanted, the eternal anglo would have forced us to stay anyway
>>60798476
additionally, the agreement between China and Switzerland is clearly imbalanced:
>The bilateral Free Trade Agreement
concluded in 2013 between China and
Switzerland comes into force on 1 July
2014. Switzerland will abolish all customs
duties on imports of Chinese industrial
goods. C
>China is abolishing or reducing the
large majority of its customs duties on
imported Swiss industrial goods, in whole
or in part, either when the treaty comes
into force or after a transitional period
(usually 5 or 10 years, but, in some cases
12 or 15 years).
This is the nature of negotiations between a large economy and a much smaller one, the larger party does not give free trade from the kindness of their own hearts. The EU is clearly in a much stronger position in trade deals than the UK is alone.
>>60798550
The exchange rate has been shitty since boris cunt johnson endorsed the leave party, I've been holding out and hoping they will stop this madness so the exchange rate would rise...but they only got worse. If I take it out now I would be fucking myself in ass if they vote to remain eventually.
>>60798606
they wont close it but you will have checkpoints back. I remember them as a kid going on summer holiday to Donegal, it took hours to pass them and you were interrogated and bullied by the army before they let you pass. Going to Donegal we had to pass the checkpoints twice and it was horrendously tense and intimidating with rifles being pointed in your face.
>>60798448
US investment, and if we're the only native English speakers in the EU, we will have much more influence than we currently do in the political institutions.
Life is finally looking up for little old Ireland
>>60798529
>60-40 is massive
It literally is not. Massive means fucking 80-20 or more, not 60-40.
60-40 is close.
>60% in politics
This isn't politics. This is the betting market.
The betting market is saying there is a 40% chance of Britain leaving the EU.
Not that the candidate is getting 40% of the vote versus 60% of the vote.
>>60798745
>we
Motherfucker try living here on the border now if they leave
>>60798723
They had those because of the troubles and I'm sure the UK does not want more armed troops in NI riling up republicans and causing tensions again.
>>60798793
It's a 20 point discrepancy, it is quite large.
I'm going to bed now. Vote remain if you're sane.
>>60798476
>which one do you find deficient
Oh maybe the Canada-EU and TTIP treaties that are in negotiation/finished.
Or maybe the white guilt treaties with Africa.
Or maybe the overtly protectionist quotas with the banana republics of Central America.
>China negotiated a deal with Iceland with the view of influencing Iceland as an ally in the Arctic council (unless you believe they were really that interested in the fish exports).
They were interested in both.
>quantity doesn't say a thing about quality
It doesn't. But quantity has a quality of its own.
Usually once you get a trade treaty, you can renegotiate later for a better one.
It's always the initial barriers to trade that are hard to break, and the EU has proven that it cannot negotiate trade deals in a timely fashion.
It is 2016 for god's sake.
>>60798889
Will do (a poo)
>>60798874
10. If Leave goes down one, Remain goes up one. It is zero sum.
This just in, Brexit BTFO
>>60798793
>Odds are literally the opposite of what the polls would have indicated
You know you could just admit you were wrong and an idiot, there's no shame in it. Well, a bit of shame.
Bookies literally giving me over twice as much for my money, for an option that should if we believed the polls be actually more likely? Get a fucking grip
>>60798619
IIRC, the timeframe for a UK full exit is 2-4 years.
>>60798859
They have to protect their borders so I know its going to be the same shit, they will have to screen everybody going in so that means passport checks and huge queues of traffic. It's not going to end well for anybody.
>>60798965
The UK has a separate free movement agreement with Ireland. It won't change unless your government changes it (or the EU makes you change it)
>>60798702
I've clearly stated that if you can read.
After 68 years, the EU (ECC) has a grand total of only 25%-30% of the world economy in trade deals. And 23% of that is the EU.
No China trade deal
No US trade deal
No Argentina
No Brazil
No Japan
No SK
No Russia
No India
No Nigeria
No Mexico
The EU has fewer trade deals than the heavily protectionist USA.
>>60798910
Piss off Trinity.
>>60799004
Why would the UK government leave its backdoor wide open to continued unrestricted migration though?
>>60783182
it's not even going to happen don't get excited. we saw (and I predicted) this exact shit happen with scotland.
>>60798965
UK and Ireland have also had common travel since Its independence and Ireland is not in schengen. I am sure the UK trusts the Irish government to screen anyone that goes into Ireland and we'll likely have a means to send anyone that illegally enters the UK back to ireland.
>>60798904
>Oh maybe the Canada-EU and TTIP treaties that are in negotiation/finished.
>Or maybe the white guilt treaties with Africa.
>Or maybe the overtly protectionist quotas with the banana republics of Central America.
How exactly are these deficient though? For instance I've explained how China has not removed tariffs on many Swiss exports, and for those it is removing tariffs there is a delay period of up to 15 years. Meanwhile Switzerland has had to remove all tariffs on all Chinese exports immediately.
>They were interested in both.
A country of 1.4 billion is not especially concerned with the fishing industry of a country of 300,000 people, I can assure you. This was about the Arctic council.
>Usually once you get a trade treaty, you can renegotiate later for a better one.
Your negotiating ability is still determined by your relative economic size and influence.
>>60798723
don't be greedy because over a couple of percent
one option is losing a small percentage of your cash, and the other option is risking losing 100% of your money
it's like gambling, you're always better off just quitting the table and going home and you shouldn't be sorry if it britain doesn't leave. no point feeling sorry about things like that. whenever i make a wrong pick in life i just remind myself that i'm no prophet and that i could have just as well gone to a casino and put all that i have on red.
would you feel sorry for not going to the casino and doubling all you have in one minute? same thing as with your savings. sure, you can gamble and end up with a bit more, but would that be a smart thing to do?
>>60798874
You're retarded
>>60798943
You stated
>Betting shop odds still massively favoring remain tells the real story.
Massively favoring is not 60-40. You have to be a retard with poor english grammar to use "massively" in a 60-40 situation.
Everyone that isn't a fucking butthurt faggot like you, would not call 60-40 a "massive" difference.
>>60799053
no we didn't
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014#2014
>>60799004
The agreement still requires valid documents like passport checks n shit.
>>60798948
yea article 50 gives us 2 years guaranteed but it could be much longer
>>60798943
How are these so volatile?
>>60799111
>Your negotiating ability is still determined by your relative economic size and influence.
So why doesn't America and the EU join together because no we are totally going to be more powerful?
Maybe because 29 fucking countries have different interests and are unlikely to all agree to pass a trade deal.
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>>60799117
forgot to mention that i don't know much about the scenario you're talking about (britain exiting eu and what happens with your money in that case), but if you feel like there's a considerable risk, then don't take it
and i'm not talking about just this situation, but everything in general
>>60799117
I used to have a good thing going with currency exchange scams since I have bank accounts in both Ireland and the UK so I could change money without any exchange fees, its like ghetto FOREX. I think I'll just wait until june 23rd and then run the bank if they vote to leave, its a gamble but could pay off big.
>>60799027
It takes two parties to make a trade deal, this could just as easily be a reluctance on the part of other countries, nor is this to say that the UK by itself will be in any better position. I'm sure the UK could make lots of trade deals outside th EU, but the UK is clearly at a disadvantage against the US and China if it is negotiating alone.
>>60799240
The risk is my savings losing 75% of its value
Have we started the fire?
>>60799172
Calling 500 people up isn't very accurate
There's gonna be variations.
All we know is that Leave and Remain are most likely about equal right now.
>>60799278
and what would you say are the odds of this happening (britain leaving the eu)?
>>60799268
Yes. My whole point is that it most likely will be
With EU:
Quality but less quantity trade deals.
Without EU:
Quantity but less quality trade deals.
>>60799040
Not sure how the illegals entering Italy would even get to Ireland without drowning.
>>60799350
It looks more than 50% likely at this moment in time
Still going to gamble though
>>60799121
Bookies favor remain at 2 to 1 in terms of how much money they are willing to give out, yes. If they had let's say remain at 1.5 and leave at 1.6 that would be a slight favoring. The way it stands it's massive.
>>60799419
>If I cashed out now I could be potentially losing thousands of £
>if they actually lose their mind and leave I will be losing thousands of £
I'm fucking scared boys, so much propaganda and shilling for both sides I dont know what to think
>>60799397
well good luck then
i mean, if you think there's a good chance you can pull out your money quickly enough in case the gamble goes wrong, then it's much less of a gamble in the first place
i get the ''who dares wins'' saying, but imo, being unwilling to spend like 3% of what you have in order to eliminate a considerable risk of losing 75% of what you have is a bit unwise
>>60799379
Ok, I can see the logic of your stance. Major trade agreements with the US and Japan for instance are however progressing, so it's more a matter of slower negotiations on trade deals than a permanently limited number in comparison to independent UK negotiation.
>>60799388
It would be calais x1000 at the NI border
>>60799503
Sounds tough, you should probably consider getting some actual financial advice, not from NEETS on a Mongolian cartography site.
>>60799570
If they could get boats to Ireland they'd just go straight to the UK, it's closer and they don't give a shit about entering legally.
>>60799539
>>60799606
The exchange rate is currently 1 = 1.26, back in december it was 1 = 1.45. If they leave the exchange rate could go 1 = 1 or lower, but if they stay it could go back to 1.40 or even higher.
Any financial advice is directly tied to the likelihood of the UK leaving the EU and hence the exchange rate, since it is so close nobody can really so what the best course of action is at this point in time.
>>60799664
I think the royal navy would have a thing or two to say about that though
Please exit!
It will quicken the fall of impotent retards that sit in bruessels and the wave of butthurt will be absolutely hillarious!
I need this after the fpö failed in austria.
>>60799742
The navy can only make them turn back, shit gets complicated if the boat starts to sink and they rescue them. And no, they can't just let them drown.
>>60788033
Not anymore with Hong Kong in Chinese hands, LOL
>>60799606
>implying the actual financial advisors know anything
m8 those fags are running biggest scam in the world
i'd rather summon up some jews itt and have them decide what's best
Blind nationalism and misinformed fear will accelerate the dictatorship of our 2 "opposing parties" into an authoritarian state by handing power over to the "unelected bureaucrats" in the house of lords away from the democratically elected commission and European parliament. If Brexit wins, democracy loses. So much sacrifice for mere "sovereignty" as if a tyrant is any less of a tyrant if their share your nationality.
>>60799778
kek, Germany wins the most out of the EU. It will be fun, indeed.
>>60799978
thats true, these guys are talking shit they dont believe to make a profit, it how the game works
>>60788624
No. The majority of people from outside the EU who are coming here are skilled and contribute economically because otherwise they wouldn't get a visa.
We don't want Polish and Romanian subhumans coming here and sending our Albion shekels back to their potato and cabbage farming family of inbred, which the EU provides in record numbers.
>>60800032
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell
UK should never have joined the EU, British empire was over but UK/Australia/NZ/Canada as a combined force would be much more unified and powerful than the EU could ever hope to be
no chance globalists would let this setback go through, exit polls on voting day will not match the final vote count
>>60800361
Seems fitting, but i'd argue we're approaching a Huxwelian dystopia more than an Orwellian one. How little it matters, mere semantics at this point
>>60800479
The majority of Brits support a Commonwealth union
You, NZ and Canada would never go for it though. You'd be flooded with people escaping this shit hole.
>>60797765
>>60797908
>tfw can own a gun but can't bet
>:'^[
I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA
>>60783182
>Opinions on this?
Your economy is gonna go to shit, and you're gonna have to take in even more niggers, so I don't see what's the point. You brits of all people have the least reasons to complain about the union, given that you're politically cancerous and are not even eurozone, why do you even want to leave?
That said, perhaps some good will come out of it. The EU needs big changes, and those only ever happens after big events. Maybe you leaving will be the catalyst for institutional innovation, or maybe it will completely disgregate the union. In any case, change.
>>60801041
>you're politically cancerous and are not even eurozone, why do you even want to leave?
you're politically cancerous and are not even eurozone, why do you even want to leave?
Maybe attitudes like this have something to do with it?
Fuck off you wop cunt.
>>60801180
>Maybe attitudes like this have something to do with it?
Top kek, you're leaving out of spite? Is the UK a nation of 5yo kids?
>>60801041
>Maybe you leaving will be the catalyst for institutional innovatio
yeah I'm sure the EU oligarchy will be like "oh shit UK left, time to give up all our power and make this union democratic"
>>60801250
Of course not, but you'd be an idiot to think that doesn't come into it.
>>60801251
You'd be surprised. Many governments are very much against how the EU is run right now. The fucking bureaucrats in Bruxelles are powerful, but the source of that power are the national governments. I'm not saying it's gonna become more democratic, but perhaps the balance of power might shift away from the commission and towards the council.
>>60801359
It's not like it's false tho. You're not eurozone and you're uncooperative, left leaning, and borderline a fifth column for the US. In short, politically cancerous.
>>60801443
>uncooperative
So we have do what Brussels tells us? What kind of union is that?
>left leaning
Again, see above (and if you think we're left leaning by European standards that's another story).
>borderline a fifth column for the US
Who isn't these days?
I seriously question what you think the EU is supposed to be, clearly we have differing ideas.
>>60801531
>What kind of union is that?
An union in which shit actually gets done. An union in which one member can't rule over everyone else, which seems to be what you brits want.
You have representation, but you throw a bitch fit everytime the majority goes against you. Which is often, since you are uncooperative (in that you are the nimby par excellence) and left leaning (in that you take moral positions left and right, but then you're nimby and you don't wanna deal with the consequences, expecting others to pay for it).
Take immigration. You don't want to let us close down everything because poor niggers, but then you don't want to contribute to take them in. You're as cuntish as it gets, and are the last nation that should complain about EU prepotency.
Europeans please tell me this.
If you an vote to leave a "Union", what exactly makes your Union a real Union? USA went to war to preserve our Union.
Will the European Union just sit on its butt and watch a major state like UK just fall off?
Isn't the whole idea of the EU to eventually become a real union like the USA? Isn't this a step backwards? If you Union can be left the second its inconvenient then what makes it a Union?
>>60801793
Union is just a word. Legally speaking, the EU is uncomparably looser than you guys were in 1860.
>>60793905
>literally no appreciation for being European
Pardon me, but isn't the EU one of the biggest pushers of foreign migration and interracial marriage in the world?
>>60783182
Good, EU is undemocratic.
>>60788365
It doesnt work like that
>>60801793
eu is confederation, us is federation
>>60783182
good thing. eu is shit. i want to see what happens
>>60801793
EU is a union of independent countries with separate internal politics regarding most issues except money and trade. Leaving the union would mean regaining control of trade and money politics, but also being pushed outside of the "internal market", having to re-negotiate trade agreements and stuff.
So if you leave how likely is it that Boris is next PM?
>>60802167
Very, almost stuck on.
Cameron might even get replaced out mid -term, depending on how he handles the fallout of the vote (whichever way it goes).
You can basically choose to live and work under any legislation in the union without having to bother applying for visas or citizenships and given the variability of laws and cultures you can choose a country that fits you. That's really a lot of valuable freedom we should be more proud of than we are.
>>60800679
We want this though.
White australia policy by stealth
>>60800479
this is true but honestly Australia/Canada/NZ would never accept such a union
it would hurt the local oligarchs and they would stop being big fish in little ponds
>>60805619
I can only imagine how buttblasted Quebec would be.
>>60783182
It'll either force the EU to reform into something worthwhile, or collapse it entirely.
It's a win-win situation.
>>60788033
US
>>60797938
You're pretty dumb bro. NZ was the first country on earth to have a free trade deal with china. We have a population of 4.4 million.
>>60783182
Whats the point of Brexit anyway? Is it just because you dont want any more of immigrants emotionally except for those trained cucks from former your colonies?
Im sure this is a typical Brit sperging out insular way only Britbongs expect but no others even follow. Youve frequently ruined your own cultures and industries with it.
This is gonna fail so hard contrary to their expectation, and this is the biggest shit ever in your history. That is, Britshitland is gonna officially be finished. You aint as strong and relevant as you think. Also GBP will turn into a literal piece of shitty worthless garbage as much as youll never return to the traditional position in international market and politics.
>>60794776
Why the fuck would you buy an English car?
