What's the purpose of this "country"?
B
>>60736703
Everything.
E
>>60736703
It's the answer to the question "What if Russians were white?"
B
>>60736703
A buffer zone between central Russia and the EU/NATO
to be integrated into soviet union 2.0
When do you think Belarus will have their revolution?
It's bound to happen at some point, right?
B
>>60736960
Why?
>>60736703
Being Putin's cumdumpster.
It's said they got russified so hard, they used to be actual Lithuanians.
B
E
L
>>60737019
>said
*sad
>>60736960
No, why? Lukaszenko has massive support, just like Putin. I heard people generally consider him to be the lesser evil, and wwho knows, maybe they're right.
>>60736960
yeah but we need to finish the ukrainian revolution first
t. cia operator in Poland
A
>>60737019
Gay
>>60736960
Lukashenko is bad but he doesn't actively bait unrest, very very unlikely anything will happen
>>60736960
Why would we need a revolution? Why do you fuckers want us to end up like Ukraine?
A
>>60737019
Yeah, but their language was Ruthenian. Whole Duchy adopted it as its official language.
>>60736703
peace and harmony
>>60737019
>They used to be actual Lithuanians
Being Lithuanian is a good thing since when?
>>60737019
Lithuanians used to rule Belarus, did not make us Lithuanians. Language was still Ruthenian.
>>60737098
This is a fact, żmudzin
>>60737104
democracy lad
you need it
>>60737142
this 2bh
>>60737174
That's shit.
>>60737179
Democracy does not seem to be worth the effort. Look at glorious democratic Ukraine or Russia of Yeltsin era. Nobody wants that.
>>60736703
mini russia
>>60736703
to confuse nato.
>>60737212
look at Poland and USA famfalam
B
>>60737212
Democracy sucks, it's just a shame you have the guy you have as head of state
>>60737266
Poland AND USA
no USA(germany) and it slave poland ;D
>>60737266
>Look at exceptions
>Not the rule
>>60736703
A bulwark between Russia and the West.
>>60737306
what
>>60737324
most democratic nations are on the top of HDI and incomes
>>60737138
It was a good thing until you got butthurt about ebul psheki wanting their city back. And it still could be a good thing 2bh, our conflicts aren't nearly as messy as the ones with Ruskies or Ukies.
>>60737202
>Lithuanian calls Grand Duchy of Lithuania a shit
?
>>60737324
Be the exception, join V4 :3
>>60737324
What rule? Calling what they have in Ukraine and in Yeltsyn's Russia democracy is a joke.
>>60737390
Lithuania is shit, the grand duchy was shit, nothing good about this country.
>>60737376
That's a technology and rule of law thing, very little to do with having parliaments instead of something else in my opinion
>>60737376
Most democratic nations are in places like Africa and Latin America. Places like the USA are exceptions, and even then they have major problems.
>>60737398
That is what democracy looks like in reality.
>>60737006
>>60737104
I don't necessarily want it to happen, in case you though I implied that.
But isn't that how it usually goes?
Country advances, people get richer, middle class develops, middle class has resources to think about things other than daily necessities, middle class sees injustice, people become discontent, revolution happens?
>>60737099
>>60737087
I agree with that, I certainly don't think anything will happen soon, nobody wants another Ukraine situation right now.
But Lukashenko won't live forever, eventually there's bound to be some change.
>>60737423
Don't selfhate yourself so much fąm, there's plenty of much worse places on this planet
>>60737513
>Country advances, people get richer, middle class develops, middle class has resources to think about things other than daily necessities, middle class sees injustice, people become discontent, revolution happens?
No because what would come from revolution would be worse than what came before. People who advocate revolution are delusional about what comes after. 90% of revolutions result in something worse than what existed before.
>>60737324
Exceptions? Most Western democracies are still preferable to living in Eastern Europe.
>>60737548
Not really.
>>60737443
The sole exception to this may be Singapore, but that's a pure meritocracy, not your usual autocracy.
How would you explain that every other country with good rule of law and developed institutions is a democracy?
>>60737572
We are not western! Revolution here would not magically turn us into Norway.
>>60737482
>Most democratic nations are in places like Africa and Latin America
No, those are oligarchies just like Russia and Ukraine.
I mean real democracies like US, EU, etc.
>>60737513
>middle class in Ukraine
middle kek
>>60737423
Come to Norway, like 35000 of your brothers and sisters. Or better yet, don't, until I get a job again.
>>60737610
Coincidentally the countries which lived through the Enlightenment and got swept up in the discourse of representative democracy, I'm not a politics/philosophy/history student sorry I can't give a better answer
>>60737618
Then don't revolt, reform from inside the system.
>>60737676
>Real democracies
>US and EU
hahahaha good meme
>>60737564
Kek, do young people in Belarus worship communist times?
>>60736703
to be the second Russia
>>60737513
>But Lukashenko won't live forever
I don't think it's that much of a problem
>>60737733
Go pick some potatoes. :^)
>>60737564
>90% of revolutions result in something worse than what existed before.
Can't spell "exceptional" without "exception".
>>60737676
>I mean real democracies like US, EU, etc.
US is an oligarchy as well. EU is a bureaucratic system. EU parliament cannot even suggest legislation, only the commission which is just bureaucrats can.
>>60737722
That is what happens anyway. No system does not change over time.
>>60737738
There is all sorts of opinion.
>>60737733
Not perfect democracies like Switzerland but okay-ish.
>>60737879
I meant EU as a group of democratic nations. All those nations individually have their own democratic parliaments.
>>60737879
Commissioners are selected by national governments
EU itself isn't a country
>>60738039
>EU itself isn't a country
For now.
>>60738083
I wish it was. But not in the nearest future 2bh.
>>60738039
EU exerts as much pressure/influence on individual states like Ireland and Greece as any Empire ever did, doesn't matter whether it's technically a state or not
>>60738139
>I wish it was.
You're so afraid of Russia you want to throw your sovereignty and your history out the window
>>60738139
kill yourself please
>>60738208
Not only because of that
>>60738575
Please don't bully me /pol/
>>60736703
To produce brutal death metal albums.
>>60738083
>>60738151
EU is in a weird place. Nation states in the EU can't function on their own, but the EU isn't a powerful federation for now. It's democratic mandate will have to be strengthened before it becomes one.
>>60738139
Agreed.
>>60737776
>>60737019
Highly unlikely,they even had to use an East Slavic language because the Lithuanians were illiterate vermin.
>>60738607
>>60738768
I don't understand why you guys want federation so much, I'm in favour of a union that has no political power, i.e., one that is just based on freedom of movement and commerce, not law-making
It seems the current union is going to have to die before that comes about
>>60738915
The future is not nation states but big unions of states. Alone we can do close to nothing when negotiating with USA or China.
>>60738915
I'm an internationalist
Nationalism destroyed and weakened Europe many times in the past. I don't think we can survive another round.
>>60739012
But if we have a European single market like I said I always want us to have you are negotiating trade deals with Europe, not with individual states
>>60739064
You need unified foreign relations for that (i.e. the French will want to cover their lazy asses like they do now with TTIP) and if you want unified FR you need a common army, etc etc
>>60739107
I have no problem with a common military as long as Russia and others are part of the single market
The purpose of this country is a harassment to Poland.
>>60739193
I don't think Russia will want to join, their economy just can't compete with European. Too inefficient and corrupted.
>>60737564
That's true only true in the short term.
Revolutions are necessary for progress. And that btw is why democracy is so great: It allows for revolutions with very little friction.
>>60737676
Well, Yanukovych wasn't in power for a very long time so he couldn't establish himself like Lukashenko. And the Maidan revolution wouldn't really be all that notable on an international scale if it were not for the Russian intervention. Governments fucking up and then being forced to resign isn't that crazy.
>>60737776
Is that really going to happen? Looks a bit young.
>>60739404
Lukashenko is only 61
>>60739533
that gives him like 15 years max
that boy is 12
27 is quite early but turned out okay for Kim Jong Un
>All this EU loving
Convinced me that you are all mentally ill west of Belarus.
B
>>60739822
The majority of people do not like the EU tovarish
>>60739822
>mfw Belarus will chose the path to the EU soon
>>60740039
Not going to happen
>>60739822
we're north, m8
>>60740062
Wait till the gas price rise again so Lukashenko will smile to the west again.
>>60737104
> end up like Ukraine
We only started, unlike your swamp.
>>60741456
belaruse is much more after russia compared to ukraine, and since they were unable to join EU neither will they
>>60740062
You gonna get ucrained if you do that and will have russians invading with the retarded ripoff of the confederate flag.
Seriously, what were they thinking as they made it?
>>60741833
probably Russian naval jack
the invasion started in Crimea where russia has its navy stationed
>>60737482
>live longer in US
>have more money in US
>have more babies (sex) in US
I see no problem here
>>60737482
>use 3.7 times more electricity
>implying that's bad thing
this site is shit man.
>>60741624
Belarus is much better than Ukraine
>>60743769
I was looking at the other statistics like HIV, infancy death, murder rate, unemployment, prison stats.
>>60736703
invented by russia so they have someone to be friends with
kinda like the creepy genetic engineer in blade runner
>>60739822
It's the famous atlanticist pole.
