Slavs,what are your views on Iran?
>>60699949
I understand the Croatian argument for Iranian heritage but it doesn't apply to Russian or any other type of slavs...
>>60699949
home/10
>>60699949
iran people today are arab and mixed, not related to ancient iranians
>>60704056
>iran people today are arab
>>60704056
Aryans mixed with native Iranids right after they invaded old Iran. Brown Irans is not a thing because of Islamic invasion even if you accept Aryan invaders as Scandi tier white people but whatever.
>>60699949
sandnigger hellhole
>>60699949
ancestral homeland of my people ;^)
>>60704517
Bulgars are literally Turks
>>60704667
that's scientifically impossible
>>60704731
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgars
>white people
>Aryans
hahahahah fuck you guys actually believe this
>>60704752
turks = people of modern day turkey, basically arabs
bulgars = iranic/hunnic people with a turkic mix
nothing to do with turks
>>60704186
you dont even know what you talking about, shut up
>>60704851
>pajeets
>aryans from the early vedas
lelelelel
>>60704752
They're East Iranic,big difference.
>>60704943
>bulgars = iranic/hunnic people with a turkic mix
what?
lol you arent iranic and hunnic are mongoloids
you guys are slav and germanic mixes
>>60705256
they are iranic, for fuck sake
look migration maps, iranians didnt traveled there
>>60705330
bulgars were iranic/hunnic
bulgarians are mix of bulgars, slavs and thracians
and no we aren't germanic lmao not even close
>>60705866
>bulgars were iranic/hunnic
they were a turkic tribe then slavs came and absoved them
>>60706074
the slavs were already there when the bulgars arrived
>>60706074
nope
look it up, slavs arrived later
Somewhat ok, but still cant understad why commies gave away all that imperial russian infrastructure russian builded there to Persia.
>>60706370
what are you talking about?
>>60706313
don't teach me about my history
the slavs were there when the bulgars came and they used them as mercenaries against the Byzantines
>>60706313
Slavs never arrived from anywhere especially not from the east. We have been where we are today since the Copper Age.
>>60711232
The people? Yes, for the most part
The language? No.
>>60711371
The slavic language is very archaic and native to this region as well.
But you probably know shit about languages so please do not comment on things you have no idea about.
They like us, we like them.
>>60715496
Sorry to disappoint you but this theory is outdated now (if it ever was anything more than nationalistic bullshit), because it has no coverage in genetics.
>>60715846
not really there's some pretty decent presence of R1a in iran, although their genetic makeup is mostly greek/anatolian, kind of makes sense tho r1a goes pretty high in zones arround teheran and the mazandareans from the caspian sea
We're not turks you fucking cucks...
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056779
>We found that the Y-chromosome gene pool in modern Bulgarians is primarily represented by Western Eurasian haplogroups with ∼ 40% belonging to haplogroups E-V13 and I-M423, and 20% to R-M17. Haplogroups common in the Middle East (J and G) and in South Western Asia (R-L23*) occur at frequencies of 19% and 5%, respectively. Haplogroups C, N and Q, distinctive for Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations, occur at the negligible frequency of only 1.5%. Principal Component analyses group Bulgarians with European populations, apart from Central Asian Turkic-speaking groups and South Western Asia populations.
>>60699949
I'd run too
>>60699949
Scythia is our homeland, from Poland in the east, Xinjiang in the east and Persia in the south.
>>60716179
>there's some pretty decent presence of R1a in iran
Of course there is R1a in Iran. The thing is that the direction of R1a migration was Europe --> Iran/India not the other way around. Genetics is much more complicated than just haplogroups.
R1a-M417 (pic rel) most likely originted in Eastern Europe. Then it was brought to Asia by Indo-Europeans.
>>60716604
>Poland in the west*
>>60716620
*by Proto-Indo-Europeans
>>60699949
The desperation in this thread to be Iranic...
wew lads
>>60718092
Well given distribution of R1a1, most probable location of Slavic "homeland" (which is somewhere in Ukraine) and fact that Slavic and Iranian languages are in the same satem group of IE languages, it is very probable, that Slavs and Aryans are somehow more closely related than most other Indo-Europeans.
So yeah there is some logic in this.
>>60718092
Well given distribution of R1a1, most probable location of Slavic "homeland" (which is somewhere in Ukraine) and fact that Slavic and Iranian languages are in the same satem group of IE languages, it is very probable, that Slavs and Aryans are somehow more closely related than most other Indo-Europeans.
So yeah there is some logic in this
>>60718208
>>60718217
ignore double post, connection error is behind this
>>60705238
Poo>>60704943
land going full WE
>>60716604
>Scythians
>Iranic
When will this meme end?
>>60716620
>>60715846
>muh genes
>>60716397
Bulgars were Turkic, man.
>>60700382
It apply moreso to Serbs though.
>>60711232
>Slavs were always in the Balkans
Just stop.
Croats are of northern Illyrian extract that were cucked by invading Iranics and slavoids to accept their language, culture and name.
>>60718390
Your point? We are talking here about R1a not much older R haplogroup.
>>60718463
By "we" I meant West Slavs who are the original Slavs. East and South Slavs of course aren't native and came from what is now Poland.
>>60718727
I know you're probably the we wuz wends shitposter, but this time you are actually making sense.
You are probably correct in this matter.
The I2 haplogroup on the balkans in further divided in 3 more haplogroups.
I2 DN
I2 DS
I2 Dinaric
DN -> originated somewhere in Russia
DS -> originated somewhere in Poland
Dinaric -> originated on the Balkans, younger haplogroup than both DS and DN.
For Serbian population the haplogroup breakdown goes as pic related, using more than 1000 samples.
I2 DS is the highest one with 23% followed by R1a with 19%, which would suggest that we did come from somewhere in Poland.
>>60718348
>The Scythians, also known as Scyth, Saka, Sakae, Sacae, Sai, Iskuzai, or Askuzai, were a large group of Iranian Eurasian nomads who were mentioned by the literate peoples surrounding them as inhabiting
Agreed upon by linguists, anthropologists, geneticists, and historians.
Disputed by Mongolian Finns.
Who's word do you think people will take?
WE WUZ KHANZ N SHIT
>>60719307
Their Iranian origin is based on a few names scribbled down by Gayreeks, nothing more.
>>60719118
Yeah R1a-M458 and I2 DS are Slavic markers and most likely originated in Poland and then spread during expansion.
>>60719307
>>60719606
>https://borissoff.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/was-scythian-an-iranian-language/
>>60719606
"Gayreeks"
You're undeniably a fucking moron.
Sad your ancestors weren't wiped out during the The Finno-Korean Hyperwar.
>>60719631
>>https://borissoff.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/was-scythian-an-iranian-language/
>Wordpress
Kek
>>60719307
>>60719606
>>60719631
>>60719683
At this point historical sources and linguistics are quite irrelevant. It's 2016 guys, we have indisputable modern genetics.
>>60719874
R1a, G2a, and J2a. That is what science has shown. All Y-DNA of Scythians fall under those branches and those branches alone. There is a heavy movement towards R1a, followed by G2a, and then J2a.
Scythians may have been a mix of different genetic clusters, sharing a definite Iranic culture. That is the simplest statement you can make that is most commonly agreed upon.
Look at pic related. Of course there were different ethnicities. But to say "[all] Scythians were ancestors of Polish people or Ukrainian people or Turkic people" is preposterous.
>>60720154
>"[all] Scythians were ancestors of Polish people or Ukrainian people or Turkic people"
LOL who says that? Naturally Scythians are not ancestors of Slavs. If anything it's the other way round. Scythians were probably derived from Proto-IE who's direct continuity in modern day are West Slavs.
>>60720461
*whose
