Explain western rightards to me
>live in a most wealthy and free society on a planet
>being free to choose your lifestyle and shit
>free speech, democracy and good economy
>wanting to go back to 19th century or earlier, live in authoritarian shithole, fuck human rights, fuck modern culture
What's wrong with them? The whole world is fighting to live like a Europe while rightards in a west want to live like 2nd/3rd world countries.
>>60433347
There is no honour in a peaceful and free society.
The founding fathers my have said free speech was a right, but during their time you could shoot someone for their free speech if it offended your honour.
Free speech is unrestricted speech nowadays.
>>60433347
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence
>>60433347
>free to choose lifestyle and shit
You said it. I'm free to vote for right.
>>60433611
Yes, but what's the point in supporting people who would constrain your rights?
>>60433427
You couldn't kill people in their times either, it was against the law. I mean, liberalism made the West great place to live, why would you stand against it?
>>60433769
>Yes, but what's the point in supporting people who would constrain your rights?
Let's ask the Russian
>>60433769
People are sick of the far left running rampant and want some order.
>>60433769
>Yes, but what's the point in supporting people who would constrain your rights?
lol it's the leftists who are taking away my rights
>>60433769
>the West great place to live, why would you stand against it?
It's no good for me.
Democracy is a sham, it is actually a form of Communism in my eyes.
In a Communist society everyone is equal, right? In a Democratic society everyone has an equal vote, no matter your class or status, everyone is equal when it comes to the voting time.
The founding fathers were a bunch of Machiavellians, something the Mafia consider themselves as well.
Really, an insight into their minds, that they think just like a criminal organization.
>>60433799
Idk I don't support Putin.
>>60433829
>order
But you have the lowest crime rates, including bribery. What order do you want?
>>60433945
What are you talking about? There are no real left wingers in the West, only social democrats but as far as I know they are pro legalize, supporting gay marriage, staying against racism. Isn't it widening your rights? It's usually people who are conservative support the power of police and secret services, censorship "to protect traditional values" and so. Actually 4chan has been banned in Russia for almost a year for posting hentai (hentai is considered child porn by the law in Russia).
>>60433347
tak
>>60433347
Capitalism is arse if you're not a millionaire or enjoying the financial security of an exceptionally beneficial employment contract.
>>60434249
We barely have non capitalist countries in 2016 and right wingers are very pro capitalist everywhere, and I guess in the west too.
>>60434422
>right wingers are very pro capitalist everywhere
Fascists are anti-capitalists.
>>60434490
Well, it's disputable. Fascists use left rhetorics when it comes to economical issues but they actually propose just a more monopolistic capitalism where government and capitalists are basically the same. It's what we have in Russia. Should we call it anti-capitalist? I am not sure.
>>60434490
Fascists can be protectionist state capitalists, there's no absolute mutual exclusivity. In general I'd expect the right wing movements to oppose the liberal part of liberal capitalism.
>>60433799
>implying we all really support them
>>60434170
>staying against racism
They erode my free speech because of this. Voice concerns about refugees? Fuck you racist! Enjoy your hate speech jail time!
>>60433347
>What's wrong with them?
I don't have a single friend
>>60434588
>a more monopolistic capitalism where government and capitalists are basically the same.
Yes, and the capitalists hate that, capitalists hate fascist for this reason and so fascists hate capitalists.
>>60433347
people just don't really know how to live in freedom, it's much harder than when someone tells you 'do this :DDDDD'
>>60433347
life is boring
>>60435043
What if we just let the people to live in Russia or Iran for a few month to feel how life in 2nd world is?
>>60434702
I read ton of shit about "shitskins", "niggers" etc in comments of every media from daily mail to guardian, and in public politics you have a lit of right wingers who say the same in a polite way (incompatible culture, threat of %insert nation name% etc).
>>60433347
>>live in a most wealthy and free society on a planet
>>being free to choose your lifestyle and shit
>>free speech, democracy and good economy
>Right wingers are against any of these
What does right wing mean in Russian? Whatever it is, it's not the same in English.
>>60436329
>What does right wing mean in Russian?
Literal, armband wearing nazis.
>>60436329
Putin is considered far right wing in russia and europe
>>60435948
Pretty much every person you define as 'rightard' (which probably implies alt right) has never left his or her own country.
It's part of the reason.
>>60434170
>America
>But you have the lowest crime rates, including bribery.
?
>>60436430
He is considered a liberal multiculturalist in Russia actually.
>>60436566
So what is OP complaining about?
>>60434045
You're fucking delusional m8. Read some political theory sometime before you spout dumb shit.
>>60433347
>but anon, you have to be a neoliberal multiculturalist to be rich!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore
Russia shitposter, you're trying to say that we have to be liberal multicultaralists who support idefinite globalization if we want prosperity and freedom.
That's simply not true.
>>60436621
Being Russian
>>60433347
Because our people are not able to handle freedom.
>>60434045
A fascist state won't give you a gf Darren.
>>60436697
At least try
>>60436645
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
>>60436566
Of course no, he is considered right winger here, but not a radical right (those are Prosvirnin or Strelkov, and we also have neonazis like Tesak).
>>60436329
>What does right wing mean in Russian?
Traditional values (i.e. anti-gay attitudes and support of religion)
Force of religion (building church or mosque in every place possible, state funded religious TV channel and radio, religion lessons in schools, imprisoning for blasphemy)
Strict control of the state on everything from media to economy; big power of police and secret services
Parliament is not a place for discussion (famous phrase from a United Russia head in 00s, Gryzlov, i.e. parliament just signs what Government and President propose)
Radical anti-western attitudes
Economy is overflown with regulations and based on a few giant corporations controlled by president's clan
Kinda like that.
>>60437801
So you're talking about the cuckservative right. They're fucking retards yeah.
Mainstream right wing in US = Free market economy, smaller government, more military spending
In the modern US and Europe, the left wing is the one trying to ban and regulate things.
>>60433427
Honour is for Albanians and Mexicans, haha.
>>60438038
What's different in the West then?
>>60439536
They're retarded, yeah, but none of their policies still wouldn't turn 1st world countries into 3rd world countries like you claim they would.
>>60433347
In the US both major right and left parties are more authoritarian than their counterparts are.
I think it's mainly that people get fed up with inefficiency of the government, and wish to delegate power to a few in exchange for some semblence of progress.
>>60433347
>free speech
>good economy
>democracy
Stopped reading here. Get your head out of your ass
>>60439677
t. I was born in golden billion and consider it shit
>>60439924
t. someone thinking the west is heaven.
It is richer, but what is the matter when your government doesn't listen to you, you have media's controlled by arms merchants... There is no democracy. You are just choosing an assholes that will rule you without regards about you.
Part of the "authoritarian shithole" bit is expelling non-whites and since most of these people live and breathe memes that's all they really care about
>>60433347
>modern culture
What is modern culture ?
>>60440097
The left party was far more authoritarian than any parties for decades.
>>60439536
right wing tends to dislike regulations and taxes
they also try to downsize the state where viable or when they know it's profitable for themselves (because corruption exists everywhere)
>>60439924
it's good, but if you think there is any democracy, you're in for a surprise.
Most of the time the bigger interest groups have politicians of all parties in their pocket, ence you can have left-wing parties cutting benefits and privatizing national assets and right-wingers supporting social liberalism and increasing taxes.
ITT: people from countries with great living standards prove why they don't actually deserve this.
>>60439993
I highly doub murricans believed total democracy would work, or why would they enact laws (aka the constitution) that cannot be changed by any amount of democracy?
didnt the founding fathers despise tyranny of the majority?
I'd say the answer lies in the most proven method of governance within a country's history
>>60440371
Well, it's totally opposite to Russia because our liberals are free market supporters. Liberals are in centre or bit left wing here. But our serious left wingers, communists, are for restoration of plan economy.
>>60433347
A few reasons
a) right wingers are cucks
b) They never leave their basement so freedom is useless to them
c) They hate everyone else so they want to deny them their freedom
d) They shill for traditional marriage, societal restrictions etc. knowing it will never affect them as they are not part of society, and they want to punish the normies they hate so much.
>>60440805
Nice projection faggot.
>>60440914
eh if he means alt right he's correct though.
Probably the most cancerous political ideology of our lifetime.
>>60441024
How so ? It is not interfering in universities or medias.
Yet
>>60439993
>It is richer, but what is the matter when your government doesn't listen to you,
You are able to realise, that places with a government that also doesn't care about you, and where people earn 1/10th of your salary, while the general cost of living is about the same, that these people will think you are full of shit and overly spoiled, right?
Being right wing is not a bad thing. The problem right now is the internet is replete with loud, obnoxious altrighters, because:
>It's a form of backlash against the annoying, whiny far left (e.g. Tumblr) that's been becoming more prominent over the last few years
>As more young people gain access to the internet, teenagers going through their edgy phase now have access to stuff like /pol/ and Breibart and take up altright ideologies purely for their shock value
>Neckbeards, robots and other such folk who've never done a good job of fitting in with society decide to blame a perceived lack of order and sensibility on 'degeneracy' and 'leftist cuckery' when really they're just autistic
Of course Tumblrinas and trigglypuffs are fucking annoying but meme spouting far righters are just as bad. That image comparing /pol/ to furries is incredibly relevent nowadays.
>>60441075
Let's hope it stays in the US.
>>60433347
>free speech
most of our governments are voting against this actually. they say we have to "restrict" freedom of speech to prevent hurting peoples feelings. for a very long time already you can loose your job and destroy your reputation by saying things those people consider "wrong". the left even brags about how wonderful they are for ruining peoples lives with different opinions.
> democracy
as democratic as you, Vlad. ours is just better at pretending. my countries economy goes to shit and our government is busy talking about men wearing dresses that want to be legally girls.
>good economy
my province has had two credit downgrading with likely more to come, massive job lay offs in all sectors. but at least they can still bring in brown people to work minimum wage jobs and high paying jobs through some paper work abuse while the rest of us sit unemployed.
remove your rose tinted glasses. life everywhere is not perfect, and places where it is better it's a constant fight to prevent everything from going to shit.
>>60440567
No, they are not. Where did you get that?
Read their program.
>>60441205
>>60433347
Most conservatives and nationalists in Europe are actually fairly left-wing by international standards. National healthcare, subsidised tuition fees, welfare and other forms of socialism are generally accepted and liked in most European countries.
The problem is the left-wing in Europe is starting to drift into authoritarian territory. I consider myself a socialist but I already know if I even dared post something on FB about how maybe I disagree with letting in millions of religious fundamentalists into Europe I'd get called a right-wing bigot and have my account shut down.
tl;dr It's hard to be a moderate in Europe because of a polarized political climate so a lot of people just say fuck it and become walking /pol/ memes instead.
I am a paleoconservative myself.
Alain de Benoist and GRECE in France, TeKoS in Flanders....
>>60441643
>tl;dr It's hard to be a moderate in Europe because of a polarized political climate so a lot of people just say fuck it and become walking /pol/ memes instead.
Pretty much. A lot of people nowadays were raised to be very nice and left wing - tolerant of race, religion, homosexuality, etc. And there's nothing wrong with that - that's how I was raised. But because people are being brought up with this ultra-tolerant ideology and instilled with a fear of the intolerant, right wing bogeyman from a young age, they'll become very offended as soon as they hear a view point that's mildly sceptical of a certain race, faith, sexuality, whatever. People who aren't very right wing but constantly get accused of being intolerant bigots eventually, as you put it very well,
>say fuck it and become walking /pol/ memes instead
because if everyone gets offended every time you open your mouth when you try to be moderate, you might as well just go the whole mile and start quoting Hitler.
Obviously you know that democracies are not workable. To put it in words you can understand- gays and hohols have the same power as me in voting. These same gays and hohols control the media and most other institutions in a democracy because they want to push their agenda. They ruin the economy, commit genocide on our (white) people, and destroy our spirituality. What part of that is appealing to any sane Russian? Oh right.... only for gays and hohols.
That's why we who understand reality in the west wish we had a strong leader like Putin who upholds our traditions and makes sure the destabilizing elements of the country are put down like the dogs they are. And we wonder why any Russian would want a liberal democracy like here where it's a shithole, we don't have enough to eat because our food goes to immigrants.
>>60443021
How do gays undermine culture and commit genocide? All they want to do is put their dick somewhere different. Why is it a big deal?
>>60443021
>And they said Americans couldn't bait properly
>>60443178
By undermining traditional family structure, promoting immigration, and discouraging having white children (by promoting race mixing); they destroy the social fabric of our societies. They envy straight people and want to destroy society in their petty vengeance. It's rather disgusting 2bh
>>60443376
>traditional family structure
You mean mid-1900s nuclear family?
>promoting immigration ... discouraging having white children (by promoting race mixing)
You're making an awful lot of assumptions. Being gay does not necesarily mean you hold certain political views. Take Milo, for example.
Gays are such a minority that have only recently gained social acceptance they're not really capable of vast conspiracies desu senpai.
>>60434702
But... your posting freely about it here. And I know you haven't been arrested for it. You just have an unpopular viewpoint
>>60443824
But they make a coalition with others who support them- mostly useful idiots like russian"""bro""" but also other groups who have an interest in destabilizing society.
>>60443369
You're right Muhammed, everything that isn't nice to you is bait :^)
>>60443178
>All they want to do is put their dick somewhere different. Why is it a big deal?
That is legal since forever, what those movements want is gay marriage. Gay marriage gives gay marriages the same priveleges heterosexual couples have regarding tax. In many cases de-facto union was already available for gay couples, but those only give minor stuff.
Those priveleges exist to promote natality and the living conditions of the kids (even though it's not efficient at all).
Personaly, we should just trash marital status laws. leaving the pretty ritual for the church to cash in.
They have had no real adversity in their lives so they adopt a meme ideology and develop a massive victim complex in order to give themselves some kind of meaning.
They're also gullible and find critical thinking difficult.
>>60433347
there0s a dufference between american right and euro right
americans;
ignorant as fuck
really, they are super fucking ignorant, most of their most retarded ideas stem from knowing jack shit about what they are talking about
obsessed with race and religion (like all gringos, really)
euros:
hyper nationalistic
paranoid about foreigners
on a roll because the left fucked up big time and basically justified all their paranoia
>>60433347
if you look it up, you will notice that the right is pro-democracy and anti-authoritarian in the west.
Only leftard support, gommunism, islamism and anti free speech laws
>>60433347
>live in a most wealthy and free society on a planet
>Im relativly free to chose my lifestyle
>I notice, more and more people are allowed to chose foreign lifestyles hostile to ours.
>Braise Galif Erdogan:DD Alllahlallalalaaa...
>All is good, freedom will prevail and everything will blanda up in the end.
>it doesnt blanda ups. They segregate. They are kinda scary desu. So violent. So rude.
>Get annoyed that the lifestyle and traditions I grew up with which I valued get discredited.
>Complain
>get branded NAZI
>Grow bitter
>get into history, start being fascinated by our history and folkbeliefs
>Durkaing intensifies
>German Selfloathing intensifies and excuses durkaing
>Media is activly gloating about our ethnic group disappearing. Interest in history confirms this cant be good.
>EU is no alternative either. Comission threatens Muh democracy.
>My rightwing bias intensifie
Fire must be fought with fire.
A traditional rightwinged society like we had in the 60s with some concessions but also some rejections of modernity will prevail against both the hordes of barbarians who will bring despoty and theocracy with them while also preventing us to fall into apathy because there is an identity to be proud of and a connection to the next generation that would be ereased if we were like brazillians for example who only care for their family because there is no ethnic identity.
>>60443993
Sounds a little far fetched 2bqhwyf. I don't really see why wanting to put your penis in manbooty causes you to crave the down fall of Western civilisation, especially if you were brought up and socialised in a Western setting.
>>60444097
Ah, so the issue some people might have is that gay couples who may very well never have kids want in on tax breaks intended to give couples with kids a good quality of life? Of course, if I have understood that right, shouldn't that also mean these same people should be opposed to straight couples who aren't intending to have children?
>>60434170
the western left is basically fascists in denial.
they are pro some rights we didn't have before but want to take away other rights, mainly free speech, and force people to follow their viewpoint through other means
also the gringos have basically legalized corruption, read about political campaign donations
>>60444311
exacly, we should trash those tax breaks altogether. It's not like that many couples use those for their purpose anyway.
But then the marital status become pointless, so we also throw them away to avoid needless bureaucracy. Or use (de-facto) union for the purpose of representing a couple (regardless of its participants) filling the taxes together.
>>60444722
Nice. I can get behind that view.
>>60436441
I was once in thailand.
A very rightwinged country.
I saw many young people at work, also slums and trash who were a reminder that not everything is well, but both on the countryside and the city people seemed to be content and optimistic with how things were going.
We talked with the locals who appeared to be very proud and happy people despite their humble lifestyle.
Nobody will ever tell them that their ways of honouring the buddha and putting fruits on their ancestor-altars are ridiculous, outdated and insufficent in some vague way.
And while there may be injustices, poverty and problems they have a future that belongs to them-testified by their numerous youth and their strong cultural selfesteem, not to other people from afar.
Wait a minute you guys aren't all trolling? I'm just here for the (You)s
It's always interesting to hear how many young people turned to the right because their feelings got hurt: a girlfriend broke up with them, a bunch of people made fun of them on facebook, a professor didn't like their paper - and this is some kind of great injustice.
I wonder how many of them and how many of the salafist retards in the west feel some kind of deep personal humiliation. We don't have a society yet that allows men to really talk about their problems.
>>60445117
Did you know there are programs that allow people like yourself to travel to so-said 'conservative' countries to for example local farmers in exchange for food and lodging? I advise you to look into it if you're interested in what a conservative society is actually like, not just on a holiday.
As for myself, I'd really rather live in a country where coups don't happen on such a regular basis.
>>60443021
What a retard. Conservative values are just being destroyed by a history. Those are not gays who do it; your econo.y develops, and it causes culture of society to change. It's natural process and countries who try to stop it fail in a long distance: we all see it very well in Russia. If you hold your society back it polarizes greatly, creating serious tensions that one day would wash you off.
>>60443376
>promoting immigration
Top kek, aren't you American? You are a nation of immigrants, retard.
>>60433347
Every generation needs its revolution.
>>60444243
>it doesnt blanda ups
But it does. I've been to Europe and as far as I can see most of people whose families live in the west a few generations already don't really differ from locals. Of course they are not Germans but they are civilized people.
>>60433347
Leftards dont want free speech and people choosing their life style though.
They want the acceptancy of degeneracy as the norm.
And freedom of speech only if nobodys feelings are being hurt.
High taxes, being against free market->again the left.
Western society needs correcting towards the right and center if is gonna survive.
>>60436697
singapore is literally multicultural
>>60449610
Thanks Texas even though you're not really a western nation
>>60448053
Well, I actually live here and while you always find some fairly well integrated immigrants in the citycenters, hardcore tribalism runs rampant and honourmurders have become a thing again.
Also erdogandrones.
Thousand of fucking Erdogandrones.
They breed fast and stay in their own little parallelsocieties, while I know some genuinly nice middleeasteners (always atheist or alewite) and the media circlejerks about muh exotic restaurants, their addition to this country has been overally negative and will spell doom over us in the future.
Weve got areas were arab clans run the show, manage their ingroup conflicts with little sharia courts and manage to avoid the law by simply threatening the kids of judges.
Immigration is not a bad thing per se, but the culture must be compatibel (and sunni muslims have proven to be too much trouble) while you should try to keep your native population in a higher numerous relation to foreigners.
>>60449763
Singapore is also very authoritan in order to keep it from blowing up.
>>60447118
Eh, sooner or later this kind of ass-conservative farmer culture will overwhelm us anyway if we dont get more intolerant. But I appreciate your message and may even think about it as I already felt great in the gender segregated, traditional, rightwing scoutgroup with whom I travelled around the balkan.
Might make myself feel more humble towards the daily plight of some people.
Besides that, maybe you didnt get it, but I am in favour of a stronger right in order to prevent falling into the thirdworld peasentry mindset that has proven to outlast the liberals easily by their demographic strenght and ethnic nepotism alone and which you try to portray as the horrible boogeyman I need to experience.
I read books of Peter Scholl Latour. A fighter in the indochina war, later on a journalist who visited every war torn hellhole on this earth, intervieved Ayatollah Khomeini on his flight from exile and immersed himself and wrote in an incredible sensible way about the local cultures from afghanistan to the kongo where he often dwelled under warriors, sects and peasants regardless of how exotic they were.
In the end, he turned to the rightwing, complained about the fall of the west-by its own fault and weakness-and as he died last year even the most liberal papers didnt dare to write bad about him as he was such a redeemed person.
I take him as an authority over Internet liberals on this matter.
>>60450837
I really do think you overestimate the amount of order in those countries.
Especially Thailand, the 2014 coup almost instantly changed the laws of the country. The country itself didn't have any say in it.
You might say 'well they don't listen to us here either', and that is partially true, probably more true for Germany, but politicians do tend to bow to pressure. It just happens that liberal pressure is way stronger right now. It's tipping more and more in the conservative side's favor the last year, but it's nowhere near equal. Could take up to 4 years of the same stuff for that to happen.
Also, in most 'order' countries, governments can literally do whatever they want, it would severely increase the feeling of injustice that you are probably feeling about your country right now.
However, if you think that you might be better off in any such countries, I think you should try it out.
http://www.wwoof.net/
>But it's just liberal hippies doing this!
Probably, but most farmers accept just 1 person, meaning it wouldn't matter.
Organic is just keyword for the farmer isn't rich, doesn't have a big farm, and can't afford fancy schmancy GMO material for big farms.
