These countries go to war tomorrow. Which side wins? Conventional weapons only.
>>60405413
Is that a joke? Orange would get raped.
Orange wins
>France pussys out
>germany loses as always
>GB tries to suck some cocks to save itself
>Ukraine
>Poland get's raped
>Orange has italy, who always won the war
>>60405782
I mean, you can't breach an united France/UK/Germany/Benelux/Pooland.
Orange would just be picked off one by one.
>>60405413
Russia+Turkey+Italy+Spain vs UK+France+maybe Greece+maybe Poland
Orange should win
>>60405891
Italy did shit all in WW2. I'd rather have Greece so we don't have to worry about an enemy south of us.
>>60405988
I'm pretty sure the Benelux can take on Spain.
Germany can take on Italy.
France and the UK can take on Russia.
Greece and Pooland can take on Turkey.
Hard to tell, but I'd say orange because of Russian manpower.
>>60405413
Orange
>Turkish and Russian military strongest in Europe manpowerwise
>Sweden has good tech
>Norway has great economy and oil
>Italy can be used to divert fire from the important countries
>Finland gets a massive egoboost from the winter war and attacks Russia, only to get shrekt by an army larger than their population
Also
>Serbia
>On same side as kebab
>>60406110
You forgot the North.
It would kind of mirror WW2, with the orange (Axis) making quick gains but the green (Allies) would definitely win in the end. The only really competent countries in Orange are Russia, Turkey and Italy in that order.
Greece would be blitzed fairly quickly by Turkey and a Balkan attack from the north. Russia would take Ukraine, all of the Baltic countries plus Finland within weeks.
Ireland would be retaken by Green within a few days. Iberia would be taken by Green within a few months. From there Green has a big advantage.
>>60405413
Belarus steamrolls through all of you.
>>60406177
>Serbia
>On same side as kebab
It's ok. I stand with my Turkish brothers against white menace.
>>60406177
The Netherlands has the biggest private oil production company (Shell) and the biggest oil trading company (Vitol) in the world.
Plus we have the biggest natural gas field of Europe (Groningen gas field).
And the Netherlands and France are the biggest food exporters of Europe.
You won't be shy on resources.
>>60406348
Scandinavia and Ireland would be utterly useless. Iberia would be useless except as cannon fodder. Italy has a pretty good navy I think. Balkan-folk are great fighters but would need financial support.
>>60405782
Well.. Orange has Russia, and Turkey..
Meanwhile green has the UK and France.
I think orange wins.
>>60406256
>Iberia would be taken by Green within a few months.
Not if Italy has anything to say about it. You said Russia takes all that in weeks, so practically all eastern europe would be free to attack the center so they won't be able to stop Italy from helping there.
>>60405413
russia can steam roll everyone desu...
And you have turkey which is pretty good aswell
uk is a tought nut to crack tho
>>60406518
France and Britain (two strongest nations in Green) would team up attacking Iberia I think.
Germany on its own should focus on the Russian front. They have a shitty military but once they're bloodlusted they could solo the world for at least a year or two
>having italy at the start of a conflict
>winning
sadly, green
>>60405413
>Crimea
Orange
OK, heres a simulation
>Greece gets taken in weeks
>So do Ukraine and Fiinland
>And Ireland
>Italy holds the southern front for some time due to Frances focus on Iberia and countries like Germany and Austria being focused on holding the west from yugoslavs.
>Denmark is lost in some time, but scandinavia remains for longer
>Odds are Iberia will be losing enough for the French and UK to divert their attention to more important problems
>By this time nearly every country bordering orange will be taken.
>This would grind on until either rebellions in occupied countries stunt the advancement of orange troops, or every country other than 3 or 4 in the west have to face Turkey, Russia and scandinavia, losing in the process.
>>60406348
>Finland
>
>>60406435
Turkey, Russia, Ukraine (Once annexed) and Norway have enough to keep the Orange going
if orange didn't have russia they'd be fucked, but with russia they win.
>>60406837
this time it would be different, Finland would get taken by Russia easily
Plus they'd have Sweden and Norway on the Western front.
>>60406873
If green didn't have Germany or the UK then they'd be fucked
>>60406783
The truth is that it'd be very difficult to have an overall win, but Orange simply has better starting positions and numbers.
The war would have Spain slowly lose to France, while East Germany/West Poland will be a WW3 shithole, and Austria/Czechs will be gangraped by Mehmet and his Janissaries.
In the end, Russia and Turkey would defeat Germany and the Benelux, but would stagnate at France's border because of UK naval might and airpower.
Fairly certain orange got this.
>>60406783
>Ireland, Spain and Scandinavia get picked off in a second by the west
>Greece gets taken by Turkey
>Russia is currently trying to invade Poland, because they can't win without quickly reaching the core of Europe, but all countries surrounding them are helping Poland to stave them off for a while
>the west aids the Polish front while attacking Italy
>italy falls
>Turkey, the Balkans and Russia now have to fight the entire west
>green wins
>>60406873
Oh boy, we communism and U.R.S.S again.
Whatever happens greece gets fucked
>>60406873
In a way: there's no realistic way Green could take out Russia. Best Green can hope for is stalemate.
Equally, best Orange can hope for is splitting Germany in two again. Iberia, Ireland and parts of northern Italy are going to go, though.
>>60406950
*France or the UK
Germany is weaker than Poland.
>>60405413
Let's take a look at green
>UK
"We'll just sit there and pilot a couple of bombers, aight? Cheerio"
>France
Le Surrendeur
>Ukraine
Will destroy itself
>Baltics
They're only good at shooting civies
So it's basically just Germany, Ebinland and v4 who will do all fighting.
Orange win ez
>>60407186
This. Germany has no real military and a population convinced that's a good thing. They'd be useless for a good while.
>>60406950
Bundeswehr is in crisis right now... Problably the italian military is superior..
The two military powers of green are France and UK.
>>60406177
>Finland gets a massive egoboost from the winter war and attacks Russia, only to get shrekt by an army larger than their population
Wouldn't happen tbqh. Our whole military system is geared towards defense, not an invasion.
We'd just bide our time in the woods, waiting for the Ivan to come to us.
Can't Green summon it's colonies?
>>60407088
Laughable analysis.
Ireland gets picked off in a second but is useless anyway. Scandinavia doesn't get picked off in a second at all because Mother Russia is at its doorsteps. Iberia has a combined population of like 50 million, with the Italian navy helping them they could last a while. Look what happened in the Peninsular War (of course, Scatalans would have to be removed by Spain too).
>all countries surrounding them would help Poland
Ukraine, Lithuania, Slovakia would be taken by Orange easily and quickly. Poland would be attacked from the East by Russia, from the South by Balkanites and from the north by Sweden. Hell, Kalingrad is probably armed to the teeth with weapons of mass destruction. Poland would fall without a doubt.
>>60407088
Spain would not fall in seconds. Also, lets not forget the might of Russians, they would definitely be able to power through. Scandinavia would be lent Russian troops, not enough to advance but enough to keep the invaders at bay
Russia and Turkey alone have about 2 million personnel available, which is more than all the Green countries combined. Don't forget those Russian planes. The greens can focus on attacking Iberia, which will lead to a Russian steamrolling tactic, or they can focus all their might on Russia, which will probably only slow them down while the smaller powers chip away.
>>60407274
>waiting for the Ivan to come to us
And the you get the vikings. Unless the UK actually fights this time around and punches them in the face.
>>60407088
You're retarded if you think Italy/Spain will lose to France when France has to help Germany.
This would be different if Germany was 1985 Germany.
>>60407261
They have the largest economy out of the greens, as well as some technological lead, in a case of total war, they will be able to produce large amounts of equipment
>>60407475
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/arctic-circle-cold-british-military-train-article-1.1703590
those sissy brits couldn't punch anyone
>>60407580
They also have millions upon millions of Russians + Turks who would side with Orange.
Then again, Germany is good at rounding minorities up.
>>60406448
and germany, and the support of the US
>>60405413
Tbh the Alps and the Pyrénées are easy to defend on our side. The Eastern and Western Front would really matter.
But I think green could win.
>>60407784
>USA
OP didn't mention them, that would be a deus ex machina in favor of Green.
As it stands, Orange would win. Russia + Turkey > France + England.
>>60407624
Holy Mother of keks
>>60407459
Turkey is the key.
With Turkey in the game, Orange wins.
Turkey + Balkans crush Greece and then crush Austria/Czech's.
Then they help Italy and attack Southeast Germany.
Germany is fucked after a few months while UK and France are safe.
>>60405782
this Tbh
>>60407784
OP specifically leaves out us
>>60407963
>>60405782
>let's invade Russia!
Orange probably wins
>>60405413
jews
>>60408111
Are Spanish forces a joke compared to French? How long would they last?
>>60407894
In all honesty, without Turkey or Russia, the Oranges would probably lose
I feel like Russia is more important in this due to siberian resources and military vehicles, but Turkey also plays a large part, with their half a million troops and humongous agricultural output
The West imports a lot of their food from orange countries like Spain or Turkey. They would have huge food problems in weeks.
>>60406616
>russia can steam roll everyone desu...
this is a meme. Russian army is bad at invading. Look at Georgia and Ukraine.
>>60408243
The French army would literaly destroy the Spanish one. The problem is that it would be impossible for us to occupy and pacify the country. A bit like in Iraq.
>>60405413
>That Greece
A gangbang to remember.
>>60405413
it would look like this one in a week, dunno bout rest but orange seem stronger
>>60408462
>Finland
>lasting a week against a Russo-Swedish attack
>>60408412
nah, just a regular saturday
>>60408243
While they are nowhere near good enough to fight an offensive war, they can probably hold their own defensively. Theres also Portugal to think about, not much but still something.
France has about 400,000 troops, which is double Spains 200,000, but france also spends double its GDP % on military, which shows that Spain can invest more to be competitive
>>60406443
>Italy has a pretty good navy I think
>>60405413
>greece gets blown the fuck out immediately
>ukraine gets blown the fuck out immediately
>baltics and finland get blown the fuck out immediately
>hungary, austria, czechia and slovakia get blown the fuck out immediately
>the slightly harder nations like Pooland, Netherlands, Belgium and Germany get blown the fuck out after the easier ones are dealt with
>which leaves the hardest ones - Britain and France
Which leaves Russia, Turkey and Italy, the most militarily and technologically advanced orange powers + scandinavian shekels and more tech + balkan and iberian raw manpower VS Briticucks and Frogcucks. Clear victory for orange.
ireland would probably get blown the fuck out fast though
>>60408573
>
>>60408506
>trying to invade a -20 celcius land instead of zergrushing more important points
literally why
>>60408462
>Greece gets taken out for sure
>Denmark's just fine, tho
Nah m8
Definitely Orange.
Swap Turkey and Scandinavia to green, only way they would stand a chance
Russia would carry the rest of orange and kill all of green by itself.
>>60405413
orange victory, no contest
>>60408686
True, perhaps they would not need to be occupied, just neutralized. It would take a week or so of strategic bombing to completely neutralize Finland I think.
>>60408698
>Denmark's just fine, tho
i don't think greens would rush there, they'd deploy their soldiers in more important points.
>Greece gets taken out for sure
i don't even dislike greece that much but come on
rate my autism
>>60408756
agreed
>>60408653
kek, I had never seen that one
Ukraine and Baltics will be lost fast. Greece will try to hold out against Turkey and Balkans. Poland with the help of other greens holds the Eastern front.
UK will wipe Ireland in a day like Germany does to Denmark.
Finland, Poland and Germany will beat Sweden. Afterwards Sweden beaters help UK to beat Norway.
France, UK and Benelux beat Spain and Italy.
Czechia, Slovakia, Austria and Hungary will fight in north Balkan and also help Poland.
Then the oranges' economy collapses and the conflict ends.
>>60408815
8/10
You should swap side and join us.
Russia, Turkey and Italy alone has 1.5 million ACTIVE manpower
In reserves much more
They have better tech and better navy.
>>60405413
These were chosen based on what?
>>60408815
Some bits are right, but if the Greens were putting enough effort to experience success in France, Iberia or the Balkans then the Russians would be much further into Europe than shown
>>60408896
10/10
And take back Carelia, trusted ally.
>>60407624
>Finland would have to fight against Norway
I don't want to do that at all. We should be the peacekeepers of the north together.
>>60408896
There is no way in hell it would go like that
can we join in pls
>>60408896
Awful
I don't think Sweden and to a lesser extent Norway would take any sides in the first place. Switzerland is neutral so Sweden should be too. But I am wondering about our defense. If it's just Russia (who will, mind you, be dedicating a lot of forces into Eastern European countries) we could hold out fine, but the attack is from two sides. Sweden has a larger air force and navy than as so we might get cut off quite fast. The Baltic naval situation would be quite interesting actually
>>60408920
>Better tech and navy
No
Regardless, Orange will win
>>60408797
I was making the comparison: Greece is out, yeah, but so Denmark. Securing the borders is the first thing you'd do.
>>60408896
how in the mother of fuck do you think greece would hold out against t*rkey and balkans alone?
>>60409049
NO
GO FIGHT CHINA OR SOMETHING
>>60409107
maybe ur right on denmark thing, im not sure on that anyway
>Serbia Against Greece
>Turkey same side as Russia
>Croatia, Bosnia, Albania same side as Serbia
What the heck is this
>>60409105
>I don't think Sweden and to a lesser extent Norway would take any sides in the first place.
It's a hypothetical. Also, Finland could not hold out fine against Russia lmao
1st week
>>60409283
>>60409230
That's the one thing we are prepared for
http://www.strawpoll.me/10407873
http://www.strawpoll.me/10407873
http://www.strawpoll.me/10407873
This doesn't settle who wins, I just want to see what the crowd favorites are
Of course France would crush us if we attacked but we wouldnt fall if they attacked unless it was a 3v1
>>60409163
Reminds me of the second Balkan war. Bulgary lost by default because they did not have enough troops to fight on all fronts.
>>60405413
make italy green, let green control meditarreanan and it would be a perfectly balanced
>>60409395
20% of their army is muslim, maybe St. James comes to the rescue.
>>60409354
It would take Russia a few hours to take Estonia. Then Helsinki could be attacked from Talinn, Stockholm and St.Petersburg. It would be a stomp.
>>60409335
2nd week
>>60407894
The Balkans would start killing each other the day after the war starts. It's they're nature.
Turks are only good for killing kurds living in caves in Easter Anatolia. The Greeks are lazy bastards but when it's about their freedom they're tough fighters. Remember that the Italians in WW2 were not able to beat them.
Also who says that the Germans, Austrians an Czech would wait until Turkey crushes Greece. They would beat the weak, unorganised Balkan states way quicker.
>>60409508
3rd week
>>60409459
>implying Catalonia wouldn't join us.
>>60409335
>>60409508
You're underestimating the time taken for countries to fall
Replace weeks with months and maybe it would play out like that
Also theres no way that Portugal falls before Spain, you underestimate our navy
>>60409462
The whole military system is trained for more guerrilla style warfare. We understand the invasion would be harsh, but the idea is to make it costly as shit for Russia so they wouldn't try it.
It wouldn't be easy by any means. And I'd argue it wouldn't be possible to make Finland a part of Russia without a huge resistance. Nobody, except like Johan Bäckman, wants to be a part of Russia. We're our own people.
They'd probably have to genocide us until we stopped sabotaging and fucking with them.
I feel like 90% of posters here are using memes in lieu of knowledge.
I'm butthurt so I'm posting this here.
(Note: this does not in any way answer what would happen in a 2-front war, don't waste time by replying "but teh swedes would rape u x-d")
The Finnish defense forces have during their existence had a single objective: Defense from Russia. Our entire army is built for a fight against them. Every piece of equipment, every exercise, meant for a defensive war against them on our clay. All of our strategies are planned to counter theirs. We can easily simulate a war and prepare for it, since we know who is attacking, where from, what are their communication protocols and what their combat doctrines are.
Our army is the best army (in Europe) to fight against Russia. It is one of the last traditional armies in Europe along with Russia. Conscription means that the size of the army relative to our population is extremely large. It is not designed to fight offensive wars and manage crises in third-world countries filled with sandniggers, like the armies of most European countries. You won't do shit with an army like that in traditional warfare.
A good example of this is the Karelian Jaeger Brigade, which is has the most firepower, is the most modern, and the most efficient unit in Europe. You wont find a bunch like them in Europe, not even in
>Muh super-advanced operator unit *insert name here*
The training that is offered is excellent. Regular conscript-infantry gets to shoot more rounds during their training than the average professional soldiers in paid armies. They get extremely advanced and demanding shooting and combat training.
Every time Finnish conscripts are on an international exercise, they perform outstanding. The last good example being Cold Response 2016 in Norway, where a Finnish mechanised battallion formed of _conscripts_ without any REAL combat experience caused extremely large losses to a Norwegian mechanized battallion formed of professional soldiers with combat experience in Afghanistan and Iraq.
You see this shit? You see my map? Do you know who wins? Orange wins. That's right, no one can beat Balkan. We're like Space Marines in clad in the ceramite plates of the Teminator armor weilding Power Fists and Boltguns and you're the fucking Imperial Guard with flak jackets and a laser toy for a rifle. We're the Mega Nobz playing football with you Gretchins. You're like an Eldar Guardian trying to win a melee match against a Khronate Berzerker. Balkan always wins.
>>60409714
you must be new here
>>60409508
actually it'd take at least 2 weeks to deploy troops around germany probably, not even mentioning the guerilla warfare that'll happen after invasions
>>60409663
The other guy ITT actually convinced me that they don't need to take Finland at all. Just neutralize them. Helsinki could easily be taken. The Finnish military could be demolished.
You don't really have to occupy them, just keep them contained. What would a bunch of guerilla fighters be able to do? Cross the border and attack Russia or Sweden? It would be a massacre.
>>60409714
meme science best science
UK, France > Italy, Spain
Benelux > Denmark
Germany, Finland, Poland, Ukraine = Russia, Belarus, Norway
Greece = Turkey
Baltics = Sweden
Central Europe = Balkans
Overall Green > Orange
Oranges would also reduce to northkoreanism and eat sand and grass
>>60409805
>Greece = Turkey
>>60409663
You can be forced to surrender and demilitarized, along with reparations. The resistance would be less than through occupation
>>60409805
>Greece = Turkey
>>60409805
>Germany, Finland, Poland, Ukraine = Russia, Belarus, Norway
kek
>Baltics = Sweden
kek
>Greece=Turkey
kek
>>60409741
kek
>>60409572
4th week
>>60409644
Well, it's full of muslims after all.
>>60405413
Is there any particular reasoning behind how you divided these up?
>>60405413
Europe loses again
>>60405413
>Turkey and Russia in same team.
No chance for the orange one.
>>60409918
was expecting this tbqh :DDDDDDD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R5A0pg4oN8
What would USA do? Seriously, would they just wait it out or try to intervene? Would they help greens? Does NATO stop existing? Do Islamic terrorists side with oranges? Are the Jews worried or celebrating?
>>60409918
America could unironically solo Green + Orange
>>60409805
>Greece = Turkey
>Germany, Finland, Poland, Ukraine = Russia, Belarus, Norway
>>60409805
>Germany, Finland, Poland, Ukraine = Russia, Belarus, Norway
L
>Greece = Turkey
M
>Central Europe = Balkans
A
>Overall Green > Orange
O
>Germany, Finland, Poland, Ukraine = Russia, Belarus, Norway
>Greece= Turkey
>Green> Orange
Oh come on now
>>60409870
Yeah Sweden really isn't even Baltics tier and Russia has no other defense capability than nukes. So maybe those equations should also be in favor of the Greens
>>60406110
Nonsense. Russia would nuke everyone, orange wins, and Holland obtain again its natural state of Spain's colony. Welcome back, son
>>60410026
Nah, it's fairly doubtful that they'd be able to beat all European countries and Russia simultaneously
>>60409938
we can send them into france in hordes didn't you think of that
>>60409770
>Helsinki could easily be taken.
Sure. Doesn't mean you'd just take over the country and have the people submit, though.
>The Finnish military could be demolished.
Do you think our military is located in Helsinki?
No. The military wouldn't be demolished. :D
>Cross the border and attack Russia or Sweden?
This would never happen. As explained earlier, Finland has DEFENSE forces. Not an invasion force.
>just keep them contained
We literally already are. We're just prepared for an invasion, not to expand our borders. If you want to take the country and bring your troops here, expect trouble from the people.
>What would a bunch of guerilla fighters be able to do?
Well, there was Vietnam, so something. Like said, Finns want to be their own people. There's no way invasion wouldn't cause an uprising.
>>60409982
Favourite version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_30VjNREhAM
>>60409918
kek
>green has Finland
>orange has Italy
Yeah, it's over, green wins hands down;
>>60409918
G*d bless
what will der juden do meanwhile
>>60410099
They wouldn't kill their brother-in-fatih.
>>60409992
Usa would intervene for Green (eternal allies UK and France) but that would make this thread less fun because they would win
Islamists would help Orange. Plus Russia has crazy Chechens that they would unleash. Turkey would use Islam as a rallying tactic
Jews are celebrating and while everybody is fighting they'd be genociding Palis and occupying the entire Middle-East.
>>60410108
Just dont reply to him, he knows jack shit. He just baits all finnish posters with "ayy lmao russia can take you in 2 days"
>>60409992
>What would USA do?
This. If America does nothing, it means American empire is kill, thus any outcome is positive.
If America rides with any color, this color wins.
>People in this thread unironically thinking Germany, Spain and Italy are still major players
If you're going to pretend this is still the 1700s, at least give Austria and the Netherlands their due
>>60410083
>Russia has no other defense capability than nukes
JUST STOP
>>60410197
>Plus Russia has crazy Chechens that they would unleash
what the fuck are you talking about? chechens are hilariously bad fighters
>>60408462
But we have weapons of mass destruction. You can to nothin
>>60410218
>>60410108
Russia can flatten Finland easily. Could they occupy you? Yes, but it would be unnecessary. Look at Afghanistan. Russians couldn't occupy it, but they destroyed that country completely. They would do the same to Finns.
>>60410159
>implying shitsolinni's onanist brigade has anything to do with Italy's modern military
>>60410189
Just tie them up and strap them on the sides of military buildings.
>>60410243
This.
>>60408920
because both countries have conscription
>>60410165
>what will der juden do meanwhile
Lend money to both sides & colonize the fuck out Israel's neighbors.
>>60410260
all that shit is designed to roll over poland, not to defend st petersburg
>>60410243
>implying they wouldn't be given some time to prepare
>>60410280
>hilariously bad.
Simply false. American Special forces soldier who fought Chechens in A-stan:
>"Chechens are a different breed," a Special Forces soldier who has fought them told ABC News.
>"They fight till they die. They have more passion, more discipline and less regard for lives," said the soldier, who did ten tours hunting high-value targets in Afghanistan. "A few of them could have just given up but decided they needed to die."
>>60410323
>Russia can flatten Finland easily.
Here you go again. I recommend you make yourself familiar with our defense forces etc before you post this.
2/5 made me reply.
>>60405413
>Why is sweden fighting instead of jewing off everybody else?
>Russians obviously let greens to push into their country and wait for winter.
>Britts would never leave their island and istead settle for starving the irish.
>Greeks get totally and completely obliterated even when Italy suddenly switches sides.
>France surrenders when spaniards finally stop their siesta
>In the end green loses and germany has lost 3 WWs in a row
>Helsinki never gets captured and finns keep bragging about it for the next 100 years even though we lost the war
>>60406636
Clearly the focus wouldn't be on the Iberian peninsula but on keeping Russia at bay.
With Germany mostly demilitarized, France and UK would invest a lot of efforts trying to build a front on the German border while the Germans get bloodlusted.
France would mostly have to deal alone with the Latin agressions, which should be doable since we have a bigger army and our borders consist of mountains, something that is easily defended.
A tactical mistake would be to rush in to save Greece's ass, on the map it is clearly isolated and surrounded by foes and saving it wouldn't be worth the effort we'd put in, at least not before having wrecked Italy and the Balkans beforehand. Greece would have to endure.
Once Germany is militarized and if France has held off the other Latin countries at bay, it boils it down to the Big 3 against Russia and Turkey really.
Once the other orange subcountries have been subdued, Turkey is a conquerable country (I am assuming that ireland and the Nordic countries have had little to no offensive impact here, since Ireland would most likely get rekted, Denmark would get caught between the German army on land and the British navy on sea, and Sweden& Normay would turtle their way through the fight).
History has shown that invading Russia is, if not a mistake, at least a major and therefore dangerous commitmentc : the safest way would then be to let them come at us and crush them wave by wave, waiting for the people to get triggered and start a revolution.
Invading Russia triggers the patriotism of its people and they'll fight tooth and nail for it, but if you let their government use them as a canon foddler while you only play the defensive card and focus mostly on ruining them, you might hope for a good old revolution after which they'd pull out of the war.
Green wins.
Orange would win for sure
>>60408686
>he doesnt understand geopolitics
LET ME JUST SUMMARIZE THE FINLAN STRONK ARGUMENT HERE
FINLAND CANNOT HOLD OUT AGAINST ANY SUPERPORWER
THEIR TOTAL POPULATION IS THAT OF AN AVERAGE CITY
JUST FUCKING STOP
>>60409663
>guerilla warfare
That's just the meme they tell you in the military service. Our actual strategy is to take the fighting to the suburbs of St Petersburg in four days and then negotiate peace
>>60410097
>Conventional weapons only
OPs situation is shit, making a better one.
Starting positions...
>Finnish are experts at gorilla warfare and have over 300 ways they can kill a Russian soldier with their bare hands
topkek brah
>>60410428
just because they're autistic cucks who are suicide bomber-tier doesn't make them good soldiers
saying "russians unleashing chechens" is like saying "english unleashing welsh"
>>60410535
>Our actual strategy is to take the fighting to the suburbs of St Petersburg in four days and then negotiate peace
Shhhh, stop spilling military secrets perkele
At least use spoiler tags
>>60410501
Napoleon was a Frenchman of ITALIAN descent.
>>60409918
POETRY
>>60410577
If Red focuses fully on purple, they win
If they focus on yellow and blue, they draw/somewhat victorious stalemate purple
>>60410280
>chechens are hilariously bad fighters
Nah m8
>>60410599
They are good fighters, they beat Russia in the first war and were completely bombed to shit in the second war. Yet they hold Moscow ransom and billions are sunk in their shithole because Putin doesn't want another war.
You don't fight Russia successfully with suicide bombing only.
>>60410577
Just Prior to the happening: Rebel advances in eastern Ukraine; Republika Srpska holds an independence referendum and votes yes; Serbs of Northern Kosovo hold their own referendums as well, voting to secede from they call autonomous province of Kosovo and join Serbia directly.
>>60410692
Brawny crypto Jews.
>>60410026
Without using nukes ? Doubtful.
They could fuck our shit up for a long time while we would never be able to bring the fight on their soil though.
>>60409918
God bless you Hungry
>>60410624
And your point is ..?
>>60410853
Lafayette was gay desu.
All we know is that Finland wouldn't last an hour
>>60409982
Never before have I seen a tl;dr of my country's culture so complete and accurate.
>>60410523
Huoh... ensinnäkin on ihan vitun typerää verrata eri maiden asevoimia johonkin "Global Firepower":n tyyliin. Eri maiden asevoimat ovat rakennettu suoriutumaan eriävistä tehtävistä.
Suomen Puolustusvoimien päätehtävä on kotimaan puolustus Venäjää vastaan. Suomen Puolustusvoimat on tässä tehtävässä maailman paras ja pätevin asevoima. Meillä ollaan koko itsenäisen Suomen olemassaolon ajan suunniteltu ja harjoiteltu ja varustauduttu sitä yhtä tehtävää varten: isänmaan puolustus meidän omalla maaperällä Venäjän asevoimia vastaan.
Meillä kaikki doktriinit ja koko taistelutekniikka perustuu siihen, että se on mahdollisimman tehokas Venäjän asevoimien doktriineja ja taistelutekniikoita vastaan. Meillä voidaan esikunnissa käydä erittäin yksityiskohtaisia simulaatioita ja harjoitella skenaarioita koska tiedetään kuka hyökkää, mistä hyökkää, millä kalustolla hyökkää, mitkä ovat vastustajan viestiprotokollat, mikä on vastustajan doktriini ja perustaistelumenetelmät jne.
Suomen Puolustusvoimat tuketuu rauhan aikana ja erityisesti kriisitilanteessa suomalaiseen yhteiskuntaan niin syvällisesti että se on maailmalla _erittäin_ kadehdittua (katso esim. neljä kertaa vuodessa järjestettävät Maanpuolustuskorkeakoulun Maanpuolustuskurssit https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maanpuolustuskurssi). Yleisesti Suomen ja suomalaisen yhteiskunnan kriisinkestävyys on maailman huippuluokkaa.
>>60408381
>Better_Europe.jpg
>>60410692
>>60410722
they're shit fighters
just because they fought a pre-Putin russian military and still lost twice as much men as the russians doesn't make them good fighters, fampai
>>60410962
Xghcghhvfrfjjkvcf gfghvgffghh haha epic hhvccghvggg hhgghhh... Maybe.
![New-Picture-22[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MAacwT9.jpg "New-Picture-22[1].jpg")
>>60410129
>>60410962
Suomen Puolustusvoimat ei ole suunniteltu ja rakennettu käymään hyökkäyssotia kolmansissa maissa pitkien huoltoyhteyksien päässä, toisin kuin esimerkiksi Yhdysvaltain asevoimat. Euroopassa ylivoimaisesti suurin osa asevoimista on nimenomaan suunniteltu kriisinhallintaa ja rauhaanpakottamista varten kehitysmaissa, siksi niiden asevoimat ovat verrattain hyvin pieniä ammattiarmeijoita hyvin kevyesti varustettuina koska kaiken tulee olla ilmakuljetettavissa. Tällaisella kriisinhallintaarmeijalla ei tee hevon vittuakaan konventionaalisessa (perinteisessä) sodankäynnissä missä kaksi tai useampi kehittynyt valtio ottaa toisistaan mittaa.
Tästä kertoo hyvin esimerkiksi se, että Suomen sodanajan Puolustusvoimien Karjalan Jääkäriprikaati on koko Euroopan ylivoimaisesti tulivoimaisin, modernein ja suorityskykyisin yhtymä. Vastaavaa pumppua ei ihan oikeasti löydy mistään muualta Euroopasta. Ei edes niistä joidenkin ihannoimista ammattiarmeijoista.
Suomen Puolustusvoimien tarjoamaa sotilaskoulutusta ei myöskään tule vähätellä ollenkaan. Suomessa jalkaväki-aselajin varusmiesyksiköt ampuvat jopa maailman mittaluokassa erittäin kehittyneitä ja vaativia taisteluammuntoja ja suomessa samaiset varusmiesyksiköt myös kuluttavat sen koulutusajan aikana kovaa ampumatarviketta huomattavasti enemmän harjoituksissa kuin suurin osa ammattiarmeijoista(!!).
>>60408653
There's a reason we put signs with "keep off the lawn"
On the other hand boats are meant to go on water and it failed anyway
>>60410745
Srpska declares independence along with Northern Kosovo; Both immediately request annexation by Serbia. War between local groups has already begun in Bosnia and Kosovo; Meanwhile in Ukraine, pro-Russian rebels make advances and the West officially allies with Ukraine more directly. Without Republika Srpska, what remains of Bosnia aligns its self with the Turks and Albanians...
>>60411013
>>60410962
*Smashes keyboard*
>Finland weaker than an African country
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>>60411006
Disagreed.
Who cares , orange would win anyway.
>>60411094
Stop please
>>60405413
Is the west getting backed by the US? Cause that's what would happen. Also why would Sweden and Norway be out event but Finland our ally. We are closer to Norway than Finland.
>>60411013
>>60410962
What is this ugly looking thing you describe as language?
>>60411013
...does it even mean anything?
>>60410962
>>60411013
This is just random shitposting used to cover your wounded nationalism
>>60411165
>turkish
at least use proxy :DD
>>60411121
>total population: 99,465,819
Orange would win. Finland, Baltics, Ukraine and Greece are completely surrounded and would be gone fairly quickly. Ireland and Denmark would go down as well, but the green central euros would then be surrounded to the north, east and south. France would have a tough time against the mediterranean nations and the UK would likely act very defensively, perhaps launching an invasion on Norway, but the Russians would likely reinforce in Scandinavia making it hard for the west to break through.
Orange win easily. Green side has only UK but they are not so strong actually. In couple weeks Russia will reach Germany's border. And Turkey will help from South.
>>60411221
>An African country has a higher population than Finland
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Btw it's interesting thread but I would like to remove Russia from a map. Without Russia it will be more interesting and hard to decide.
>>60411121
Don't underestimate small populations. Belgium owned Congo, a country more than 50 times the size of Belgium and with a much larger population.
>>60411200
Ne proxy'si amk
>>60411285
you have like 65 million people
>>60411263
The UK isn't equipped to fight an invasion of Europe, that's for sure. I'd settle for depriving Paddies of potatoes.
France is more of a power than you're giving them credit for, though.
>>60411343
>Belgium
can't make that shit up
>>60410962
>>60411013
Too bad we can't win any wars with DEFENCE FORCES. Still, dog bless :D
>>60411128
SVE DZAMIJE U OBLAKE LETE
>>60411094
The west decides not to intervene in the Balkans due to concern over Ukraine, Greece, Romania, Cyprus, Israel announce intent to side with Serbia; Turkey, Albania both back Kosovo and Bosnia. Rumors spread of Croatia joining either side; Bulgaria keeps quiet. The stage for war in the Balkans is set without direct Western intervention. Serbia is fast to make advances in Bosnia and Kosovo.
Russia masses troops on the borders of Ukraine and Georgia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3idbJF0iB0
Bring in the artillery boys :D
>>60411261
>France would have a tough time against the mediterranean nations
Lol. France is one of the world's main producers of military and aviation tech. It also has the most extensive and is the most developed military force in the region, by far (besides the UK).
>>60411602
And we have natural borders protecting us from both the Iberians and Italy
>>60411364
We're an African country too retard
>>60411664
You mean that Iberia and Italy have natural borders protecting them from you
>implying we would help France and Germany
>implying we wouldn't just use the opportunity to oppress the shit out of Ireland
>>60411735
Works both ways yeah kek
But in that case it was because anon claimed we'd be fucked by them
>>60411789
>When you have to make shit up to impress people
Anon please
>>60409918
Can't argue with that
>>60411789
Relatable.
>>60411602
>>60411664
Yes, however they would stand alone against Spain, Italy, reinforcements from the Balkans, Turkish and eventually the Russian navy. At best they would defend themselves successfully.
>>60406448
Lol
>>60411929
You seem to forget we'd get help too, for once it's not France against the rest of Europe
Does anyone here actually know how powerful Russia is?
Like are they as powerful as France and the UK combined? Can they easily capture Poland?
>>60411735
Just bomb them first near the mountains, i.e., the towns and roads (supply lines). Then wait until the weather is shit (snow or heavy rain) and start invading. France most likely has more experience in such environments and under conditions of that sort.
>>60411896
>France posts their proudest battle
>their entire army surrendered
YOU COULDN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
Go look up Operation Compass if you want to know what fucking Italians up really looks like.
>my home would become a warzone in a week
ah fuck it, i'm bailing to Argentina
i would never fight against my european brethen
i think orange would win anyway, they have secured all the routes to resources (North Africa, ME, Caucasus, etc)
>>60411526
for fear of economical loss, Finland declares military neutrality for any conflicts within the next 5 years.
Greeks begin advancing into Albania, and Israel backs a Cypriot advance into Northern Cyprus, quickly taking Famagusta. Serbs quickly overrun Kosovo with Romanian assistance; Greece and Turkey make little ground advances on each other aside from a few skirmishes. Much of Bosnia under Serb control. Croatia declares neutrality,
>>60411896
Nah I'd fight with you Pierre and Hans, but starving paddy is first priority.
>>60412037
You mean the Italians you were able to keep fighting thanks to the French who covered your asses when you ran away to Britain at the beginning of the war ?
Also
>His country never captured a fleet with cavalry
Tell your wife's son to stop replying to me please
>>60412021
>Does anyone here actually know how powerful Russia is?
No. Opinions vary from "they could take Europe within a year" to "France+UK would fuck them up easily". It doesn't help that nobody really knows how much modernising Russia's armed forces needs.
>>60412184
surrender monkey please
>>60412085
Serbia declares annexation of Bosnia and begins to advance on Albania more; Greece turns to Turkey with Israeli support.
>>60411789
why anglos are so bully
>According to legend,[1][2][3] in 1845, Ottoman Sultan Abdülmecid declared his intention to send £10,000 to victims of the Irish potato famine, but either British diplomats or his own ministers requested that the Sultan send only £1,000, so as not to donate more than Queen Victoria, who had sent £2,000.[4] The Sultan sent £1,000 along with three[3] or five[5] ships full of food. The British administration allegedly attempted to block the ships, but by local tradition the food arrived secretly at Drogheda harbour and was left there by Ottoman sailors.[3][5]
>>60412089
> :'(
>>60412230
Well meme'd, as always when you don't have anything else to defend yourself
>>60412255
shit forgot pic
>>60412328
are you surrendering?
>>60412007
Probably not a lot of help, would the UK send men all the way down to southern France? Belgium and the Netherlands are quite far away as well. Germany could send some help, but they would be struggling in north against Scandis and Russians.
>bulgars, czechs, spaniards, austrians, italians, belgians, germans, dutch, britts, portuguese, french, danes, romanians, irish and macedonians wouldnt even fight (<40%)
Actually the combatants would be:
-Green-
Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovaks, Ukrainians, Hungarians and Greeks
vs.
-Red-
Russia, Sweden, Norway, Belarus, Turkey, Serbia, Albania, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Slovenia
Russia has this. No more mannerheim line to help us now
Orange would need an extremely quick victory because if the war continues for a while, green wins due to pic related
There is no quick victory for orange (nuking wouldn't work as green can nuke orange back)
Therefore green wins
>>60412391
I only surrender to relevant countries
>>60412184
>pour massive chunk of your defence budget into the Maginot Line
>leave a fucking gap at the top
>oh shit Germany is attacking at the weak point
>who could have seen this coming
>we fucked up our defences Britain please bail us out we're sorry for being so useless
>Britain actually comes to your aid and frees your second-rate country from Germany's grasp
>HURR WHY DID YOU RETREAT
>WHY NOT STAY IN A STRATEGICALLY HOPELESS SITUATION WHICH WOULD'VE LEFT YOUR ARMY ANNIHILATED
>IN WHICH CASE FRANCE WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN FREED
>IT'S ALMOST AS IF I'M FLAILING TO ATTACK YOU AND HAVEN'T THOUGHT THIS THROUGH AT ALL
>>60405413
So basically it comes down to Russia + Turkey vs Germany + France + GB ?
Green easily
UK/France are both near Russian level and Germany would only need a year or two to mechanize and mobilize
Nords are puss, Balkans and Meds are terrible at anythign resembling modern warfare
many Turks would die in Greece as usual
>>60412450
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Dutch_War#War
"The song "Auprès de ma blonde" or "Le Prisonnier de Hollande" ("The Prisoner of Holland"), in which a French woman grieves for her beloved who is held prisoner by the Dutch, appeared during or soon after the Franco-Dutch War – reflecting the contemporary situation of French sailors and soldiers being imprisoned in the Netherlands."
Ahaha surrender monkeys
>>60412429
FINLAND WOULD DO FUCK ALL
>>60412316
>How were your roasties today Mick? Oh wait..
;) Luv u really
>>60412468
>WHY NOT STAY IN A STRATEGICALLY HOPELESS SITUATION WHICH WOULD'VE LEFT YOUR ARMY ANNIHILATED
Gee that sounds almost like the reason why France signed an armistice
