What went wrong?
>>60377501
We pushed it to far. We're not ready yet to be united under one banner no matter the political construct.
>>60377501
Nothing.
Some weak bastards keep whining, but life goes on.
>>60379407
this
>>60377501
Neo German Empire with immigrants and trading with China
Now both Germany and China are collapsing
>>60379407
this
Mostly local governments being able to halt progress and then blame the EU for it. This scheme is so common it threatens the EUs future.
The governments of the states have to much power in general, they have their own interest at heart which often contradict those of the European people. The democratically elected parliament should have more power instead imo.
>>60379407
dumb finnposter
>>60377501
Germany
>>60377501
EU a shit
>>60379177
What's the difference between EU and USA?
That's would be a main reason why EU is failed, I guess.
>>60377501
Too much freedom.
>>60377501
I want it to die.
>>60379919
They made a currency union before a political one.
>>60377501
Agricultural policy aimed at making EU independent on food imports worked too well and its adjustment to new agricultural technologies became hamstrung by interest of food transnationals.
Currency union has been conceived without compensation transfer payments that are standard in every other currency union, leading to persisting imbalances.
Foreign policy is still crippled by conflicting national interests and basically still carried out by individual nation states, and together with other national interests parts of EU are shooting each other in the leg and stabbing in the back.
There is no protection of external borders. All responsibilities for this were initially formally pushed to the border countries, but without resources needed to carry it out, and when border countries neglected these responsibilities there was no drive to either force them to or reform the system to make it more fair and sustainable.
Cooperation between nation states on issue of crimefighting is formally kinda there but in practice still weak. There is no EU police.
In other words plenty of things, but nothing that couldn't be fixed if there was political will to do the right thing against immediate monetary gain or emotional baggage of the common guy.
>>60379407
>>60379177
>>60379539
>>60379583
>>60379659
>>60379914
>>60380879
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>>60379946
this
I literally agree with all of this
France
Germany
Netherlands
Belgium
Northern Italia
Austria
AND THATS FUCKING ALL
>>60377501
The Germans
post your feels when britcucks stay in the EU and europeans keep voting on the gommies, socialists and leftist parties
>mfw
I'm just worried about the collapse of EU and Euro coupling with that of China because German economy and finance depend on China. UK is a little bit cleaver because they are ttys to escape from China but I don't know whether they can or not.
>>60377501
letting balts in, except estonia, estonia is good
>>60387167
naaah, we aren't contributing much but it didn't break the union apart.
>>60377501
Everyone is just taking money from us. If this is the union, it can't work.
>>60383533
the EU is mainly christ libertarian and this not because of the UK desu
>>60387895
Germans made a crucial mistake by inviting lots of the worst immigrants, particularly Muslims from imporverished and brutal countries.
Otherwise we'd be on the same side and modern Germany would be praised here in Poland, publicly.
>>60387971
>Poland
You are the biggest money consumer. You are wasting more than Greece, even though Greece is bankrupt. It shouldn't matter to you at all, if we take some refugees as biggest money spender in the union.
Also, France, UK and Russia has more muslims than Germany.
>>60379407
this
>>60377501
germans, scandinavians, southern europe, france and britain.... u know everything went wrong, wtf were they thinking
>>60388095
>You are wasting more than Greece,
The reason we were granted the most money yet another time is because we're not wasting it. We're using that money as the EU recommends and we have it very well documented, and you can see how it changed the country if you visit Poland.
Other countries waste the funds or don't know how to use them.
>>60388095
Regarding the refugees, I still don't understand why you did it. Why take so many people in that don't have any needed skills and don't serve any purpose in an economy that is rapidly becoming automatized.
I mean without refugees we'd have small populations living in extraordinary wealth due to robots doing all the work in 30 years or so. Now we will be replaced by these immigrants that breed rapidly, what was the point of it all?
>>60377501
It was attempted in a capitalist Europe.
>>60377501
No democracy.
Neoliberal economics.
Single currency.
No Keynesian fiscal policy.
etc.
>>60377501
It was great at first when we got all that money for infrastructures, but the pay was to halt agriculture and fishing so we wouldn't pass the quotas, that lead to the desertification of the interior and a centralization in the capital, the EU want us for secondary labor and not as producers.
>>60383533
>the EU is leftist
Spoken like a true /pol/ retard.
>>60377501
>Brexit
>Grexit
>Scotexit from Brit and Scotenter EU
>Caltalexit from Hispania and Catalenter EU
>Castilia get angry and Hispexit.
>Turkenter
>Allexit
Germans.
>>60377501
I just want to team up with Sweden, Norway and Finland... I don't want fucking Poland, Romania and Portugal and other shit countries in Central,- East and South Europe
>>60377501
The same answer that applies to every man made disaster
Man
>>60388405
yeah they wanted to force companies to enforce their ToS harder against hate speech
they certainly do fucking lean that way.
Wanting to unite diffrent cultures and langauges over one flag. That didnt work in every part of history.
To many poor countries, too many laws and not enough working together
>>60389278
It worked in case of Germany, Great Britain and the USA. You just don't see it as such, because they are one Country today.
It would be alright if they just didn't create the Euro and stayed a big market with freedom of movement.
>>60388286
>we
Look at the people who shilled for these people in the beginning of the crisis. You'll find CEOs and "celebreties". You can polish your image with being pro refugees.
Other than that you can get new consumers, and cheap labor because the refugees "have to be integrated" in the working market, by dropping the minimum wage for them.
Unfortunately most germans are dumb as shit and fell for that all.
>>60389434
GB forced the others
The US doesn't have THAT much difference in culture
Germany is too focused on Ordnung to split
>>60377501
Poor countries went wrong. It should have been the union from from the 90s + scandies and that's it.
>>60388286
Have you ever thought, that non of the Germans want this? Merkel just went full retard and now right wing parties are booming.
>>60377501
Nothing, it united a violent war torn continent
>>60379919
the EU is very diverse compared to the US in language culture, ethnicity, history etc. it can never be fully united
>>60389434
Europe has several diffrent ethnics, your named countries didnt have diffrent ones. Maybe excpetion would be USA.
>>60377501
My main complaint about it is that most of the institutions aren't elected. European citizens have no say in who gets to go to commission for example and that is a huge problem.
>>60390052
Except if you push out already existing natives by introducing rootless immigrants to the union who cling to their faith and rarely if ever participate in politics.
>>60390168
MAybe they want to unite us against them ;-D the only thing that unites people are someone they hate together.
>>60389434
>Germany
>Britain
>Different "cultures" in the same borders
Wew lad maybe 100 years ago.
>>60383399
If that was the extent of the EU we would like to stay please.
>>60389579
>GB forced the others
nice b8.
>>60377501
In terms of giving Europe peace, it's worked in the sense that it's currently inconceivable that these countries would go to war with eachother.
It has a hole in the middle, of course it's sinking
>>60389608
Seems right
>>60390307
I should have said England forced the others.
Through war and conflict did they unite under one flag.
>>60390403
that's bullshit mate. well, regarding scotland anyway. I suppose that is kind of what happened to wales and ireland.
>>60383533
mfw
>All the EU shilling ITT
>>60390389
I was talking about cultural differences within *each* country. Germany doesn't differ that much in it's cultures and nor does Britain have that much cultural difference within itself.
Of fucking course the two countries are radically different in mentality.
>>60388456
kek
>>60390633
>nor does Britain have that much cultural difference within itself.
there are pretty big regional differences, let alone the culture between countries more generally.
>>60390633
Yeah my mistake, I already feel retarded.
There are still sight differences, like dialects and holidays. Economical wise there are differences and Ossis do have a slightly different mindset.
>>60390633
We had different language and massively different cultures in the past, which got only "unified" by a new common language, which is todays High German. The netherlands is one of the remnant from this clusterfuck in the past. They didn't adopt to all the language changes.
>>60390633
>nor does Britain have that much cultural difference within itself.
Each country in the UK has its own distinctions, and that is ignoring the fact each technically has a language, slightly different culture history traditions etc.
I would think this is true for other European countries too, maybe to different degrees
>>60388351
>No Keynesian fiscal policy.
European debt levels are too high and aggregate supply (AS) curves are too close to being vertical, Keynesian fiscal policy today would be suicidal
>>60377501
What always goes wrong?
France Germany and the UK either take an advantage or form an alliance and whoever is left out throws a fit and flips the gaming table.
>>60379919
The US went to war with itself when half of it decided it didnt like the terms of the union. The EU wont do that.
>>60377501
1) Corruption and lack of accountability from non-Core-Euro politicians meant that Core-Euro taxpayers are subsidizing Core-Euro industry by transferring money to non-Core-Euro countries that waste it on imports from Core-Euro countries, and then the formerly mentioned taxpayers believe non-Core-Euro countries are living way above their means when their human-capital levels are perfectly in line with their economic output.
2)Single-currency means that the triumph of modern economics, monetary policy, is not available to countries, which leaves fiscal policy and changes to aggregate supply as the only reasonable methods of growing the economy.
Since change aggregate supply is a pain in the ass, unrestricted expansionist fiscal policy went rampant for a long time, and to top it off it was completely ineffective.
I really, really hope the pro-EU posts in this thread aren't serious
is EU even important than asia?
>>60379539
>says Japan
>>60388405
This is bait
>>60395194
no, it's spot on. leftists in norway are the ones against EU membership, giving the attribute to one side is /pol/ tier shitposting
>>60387167
>implying
>>60379919
Different languages
Historical butthurt due to wars
Refugee wave
Padania is not a recognised country
>>60390052
>it can never be fully united
Never is a big word.
>>60377501
It can't decide whether it wants to just be a trade agreement or a full on nation, which leads to ALL SORTS of problems.
>appointed, not elected legislatures
>complex gobbledygook laws and regulations
>straight up ignoring referendums that disagree with their opinions
>not taking each nation's situation into account when making laws
>making sweeping decisions on many sovereign nations
>general corruption
Put the power in the people's hands or keep it as a small scale trade union, don't let shadowy committees hoard all the decision making.
>>60379919
I mean shit, the EU is basically the Articles of Confederation. There's not really a worse government than that garbage.
>>60397749
This desu. If there's one thing you can trust us burgers on, it's federations.
>>60393989
>>60394300
Are you that economics student?
>>60379539
>collapsing xDDDD
>>60399201
Sim
>>60399259
I'll remind you that that essentially means Germany's fate is intertwined with that of the collapsing countries.
A shame actually since I might end up moving there
>>60383316
> le polish leech face
>>60390091
You elect your party in the parliament and they are making the laws. It works like in any other country. Most of you are just mad, because of whatever reason. It's a per capita system. Just deal with it!
>>60389056
Please do this, so Russia can annex all you irrelevant somalian-cock-loving jokes of countries at once :3 even if this means no more Ikea's meatballs
>>60377501
Germany.
