>he takes pride in something people with the same genes as him did centuries ago
CUZ WE WUZ SON
>>60339010
uh yeah, their actions is literally why I exist
>>60339509
Conditionality and identity go hand in hand
>>60339010
Is taking pride in my sister getting into med school allowed? Do I have to be directly involved to be proud of something?
>>60339010
>he takes pride in something people with the same genes as him did centuries ago
Isn't that what culture is?
>>60339010
It's about being part of something larger than yourself you fedora.
>>60339629
t. Heidegger
>>60340549
med school is full of dumb shits so no, you you arent allowed
>>60339010
>Black Pride
>Asian Pride
>Hispanic Pride
I bet you have no problem with non whites being proud of their "genes"
>>60339509
>>60340686
This Swede gets it. This exactly. Your existence is/was defined by their actions before you, and your country folk and ancestors' actions made you.
>>60340874
That's because all whites are racist systematic oppressors!!XD
>>60341025
So are you ashamed of the faggots that put a leaf on your flag?
>>60341073
Yes. I fucking hate this flag, and not because of /int/ memes, sincerely. Pierre Trudeau (current PM's father) did a number on this country. Ruined the housing market, the nationalism, and the population size. Canada was never meant to be this big, regardless of ethnicity. Because of this, houses and demand for houses near the big cities are completely fucked, and unaffordable. He also wiped his ass all over our previous flag, and the glorious province of Ontario made its own. Pic related is the old Canadian flag, found on some cool postcards. I know you may hate seeing the Union Jack, but I don't, sorry Pat.
>>60341073
The leaf is based, you filthy Irish queers
>>60341607
Fuck yourself.
By a comment so simple as this, I can gamble well that you're a) not white b) all grandparents/parents are immigrants c) both.
>>60340874
Lefties get triggered by white pride but are fine with non-white pride. Alt-Rightists get triggered by non-white pride but are fine with white pride. Both sides are utterly retarded.
>>60339010
>""""""Same genes""""""
All of the alpha's of Germany died during Roman times, and what was left was finished off during the two world wars.
Only cucks remain
>>60341683
And I can gamble that you're autistic as fuck. The red insignia is objectively the better choice, but you're really going to shit on our flag? Get out of my country.
>>60341683
Also I am white but yeah my parents were immigrants, from England.
>>60339010
There's literally nothing wrong with that unless you are a nihilist
Swede is right for once>>60339509
>>60341762
>red insignia is objectively the better choice
Damn straight.
Your country? Yeah right Raj. Look for whose flag is on the Ontario provincial one, right above the three-leaved crest.
>>60341735
God dammit I hate the autists of my country.
>>60341602
Now his (wife's?) son is doing a number on Canada, what a shame.
>>60341841
>Shitting on the flag of our country
Nice try cuck
>>60341807
Indians from England or white people from England? Serious question. Because my grandmother is English, and I actually mean that she's English, not some Hindi with a British passport.
>>60339010
So do you and every faggot that spreads the ideals of the French Revolution OP.
Let me be the first to remind you today that ideals of liberty, equality and tolerance didn't exist before the 18th century.
@60339010
>He blames others for what people with the same genes did centuries ago.
Not even getting a (You) from me, Hans.
>>60341706
Be honest, what do non-whites even have to be proud about? (other than East Asians or Turks)
>>60341885
White anglos from Kent. Cuck.
>>60339010
I don't understand that at all, have nationalists really accomplished to little with their lives that they have to piggy back off the accomplishments of others? that is literal nigger behavior.
>NASA put a mobile reconnaissance lab on Mars
Personal accomplishment achieved by proxy.
>>60341843
Go lick Elizabeth's haunted pussy you unpatriotic queer.
>>60341973
Sumer, Egypt, Rome, Ancient Greece, Spanish Empire, Portuguese Empire, jewish contributions, etc.
>>60341989
t. Nigger
>>60341866
Don't even get me started. He's pulling the same shit as his old man. Invite more immigrants, because then he gets their thousands and thousands of votes for the next election, no matter the platform. He panders himself ridiculously to all of his voter demographics, especially feminists. I'm all for equal pay and equal rights between men and women (which we've always had ffs) but this new wave shit is absurd, and he's an idiot to praise it.
>>60341984
Well clearly their nationalism and hard work was lost on you. Shame.
>>60342005
>Insulting the flag of your country
Seriously, how much of a cuck can you be?
>>60341973
Arabs and Indians accomplished some things of note a very long time ago. I can't think of anything that sub-Saharan Africans did.
>>60341989
>have nationalists really accomplished to little with their lives that they have to piggy back off the accomplishments of others?
Are you proud of anyone you're related too for any of their accomplishments? Don't be hypocritical, it's an apt comparison. Pride doesn't always have to equate with self worth but with satisfaction and admiration.
>>60342056
>Still years for British cock
And I'm the cuck?
>>60342047
Already said the red insignia was better. Just not going to insult our flag, zhang.
>>60342043
Incorrect, white dude from the states.
>>60342139
>Are you proud of anyone you're related too for any of their accomplishments?
No, everybody in my family is a fuck up.
>>60342188
What?
>>60342192
That's probably why. I guess being "Proud" is only an abstract for the worthy.
>>60342041
>Rome
Italy is white.
>ancient Greece
Greece is white.
>Spanish empire
Spain is white.
>sumer
The race that the sumerians were no longer exist.
>Egypt
The race that the Egyptians were no longer exist. Maybe the copts are close.
>Portuguese empire
Portugal is white.
>Jewish contributions
Made largely by Ashkenazi (germanic) Jews, who are white
>he denies what people with same genes as him did half a century ago
>>60340874
>>60341066
All those prides are also retarded you stupid cucks
>>60342041
Someone has taken stormfront, /pol/ memes too seriously
>>60342273
>Ashkenazi (germanic) Jews, who are white
well memed
>>60341973
What do europeans have to be proud about? Staying passive at their countries get cucked? What is the point in being proud of deeds that were not even done by your peasant ancestors?
>>60341973
Poo in loos invented some shit, so they have things to be proud of. Sub-Saharans (and their diaspora) and Arabs have very little to be proud of, so they just make shit up
>>60342273
>>60342320
>Meds are white when it's convenient to me
>Meds are moors when it's convenient to me
Not even the guy who posted that list, but you people are huge hypocrites.
I wouldn't go under "white" in the US, I think that speaks volumes of what you actually think.
>>60342370
Nice b8 Zhang
>>60342420
He says this as a 400 square foot house reaches a million dollars
>>60342415
Lay off the memes. Nobody in real life thinks Meds aren't white.
>>60342472
What are you on about?
>>60342041
>Spanish Empire
>Portuguese Empire
Your inclusion of these two denigrate the other civilizations.
>>60342349
I'm half Ashkenazi Jew and I got my blue eyes from the Jewish side of the family.
>>60342415
I've always considered Spaniards white. Don't fall for the /pol/ memes and banter.
As for the U.S. ,thats only because of the whole Latino thing.
>>60342402
>>60342098
In the grand scheme of things, not much tbqh.
>>60342476
Nobody except the census of the USA. Go figure.
http://www.latercera.com/noticia/mundo/bbc-mundo/2015/07/1433-639092-9-bbc-por-que-deje-de-ser-blanco-al-llegar-a-california.shtml
>>60342415
>Italians are not white! :DDDD
>You need to be blonde and blue haired to be white!
>B-but galileo is!!
The term white is only a term for cucks to take as many people's achievements to be proud of.
>>60342608
I did not know that. I think or Spaniards are white Europeans.
>>60341602
>Canada was never meant to be this big, regardless of ethnicity.
What are you talking about. "Meant to", by who? You can't have a country this big with this many resources and a tiny population. It's asking to A) get fucking invaded like what the Russians are doing right now in the north and B) ripped off by foreigners who bring in their own cheap labour and leave us with miniscule margins
>Because of this, houses and demand for houses near the big cities are completely fucked, and unaffordable.
The house prices have nothing to do with new immigrants. Bubbles were created in Vancouver because of Chinese money laundering and their cash invetments. Our Realtors and legislators couldn't give less of a fuck because they're getting paid and getting investments and jobs created. I'm conservative but this all started right under Harper's nose. He sold out the country to the Chinese.
>He also wiped his ass all over our previous flag, and the glorious province of Ontario made its own.
>Glorious province of Ontario
I like the union but Canada wanted to differentiate herself. Always has.
>>60341602
>nationalism is good
Top kek
>>60342652
How so?
>>60339010
My family came to the Netherlands in the early 1800s but I take pride in things done before that.
Got a year old ban message for using 3g kek
Seriously, there's nothing wrong with that, from a logical point of view.
You can be proud of your parents, ancestors, children, friends, race, species, country, etc.
If you say you can't, because you did not take part in their actions, then you can't be proud of literally anything.
EVERYTHING you have ever achieved was because of your genes (nothing to do with you), your nature (nothing to do with you) and your nurture (nothing to do with you)
so either you can be proud of anything or nothing at all.
If you choose "nothing", then you are stupid, because the word clearly exists and it has a meaning.
>>60342098
Pretty much what the celts did, minus the interaction with other cultures which allowed for more exchange and advancement.
Warrior culture is something to be proud of, and the kingdom of kush and Mali empire were powerful.
>>60342415
THIS
Fucking Nordics taking Credit for everything Meds have achieved, and when it comes to a loss they instantly turn into Moors who are non-european. Fucking wh*tes
>>60342043
T. Underage alt right winger
>>60342273
>meditteraneans are white
Nice meme.
/pol/ teach you that?
>>60342602
>Don't fall for the /pol/ memes
It's not memes. Europe, the home of the white race, does not consider us white.
>and banter.
I don't care for the banter, not being white doesn't mean I want to be white, I'm just pointing out that Europe and the US don't even consider us white, making the other guy's list correct.
>>60342616
I don't disagree with this, and I'm the very first to feel disgusted that the "white man" in media is actually Med looking, but that's not really what I'm saying.
>>60342677
You are one of the very few. If there's even an argument on whether we "are" or "aren't" it's pretty clear we aren't.
>>60342774
>Pretty much what the celts did
The Scots have done and created a massively disproportionate number of things for being half an Island in the North Atlantic though.
>>60342880
Castilians are white but the rest of Spain has too much Arab/African blood.
>>60342880
I don't think I'm the odd man out here, I don't know a single person who doesn't think Spaniards are white. /int/ is literally a place where people try provoking other posters into anger 24/7.
>>60342996
actually "castillans" still have a lot of arab/african blood, it's only a few people in the northest points of the penninsula who never quite mixed race due to living in mountains and opposing the arabs all the time
>>60342785
But you're a Greek that fled to live in Germany. The Germans have achieved more than any other med in the last 8 centuries.
>>60342996
If anything, us Castilians are the most mixed. Half our country was repopulated by Basques.
>>60343002
I'm not just referring to /int/, the "discussion" that Spain is or isn't white precedes this board.
>>60342996
>>60343095
You both have a messed up view on what occupations were, as if they were massive perpetual orgies and intermarriage was the norm. The apocalyptic scenario you think of may become reality only now.
>White people
>Brown people
>Black people
Nice classifications. Firm, scientific. There are the same people who ask you for scientific proof or precise articles and can debate you hours on end, with links and copy pastes. These classifications seem completely progressivist in making, a clear example of gross misrepresentation and oversimplification. It's like these racialists/racist go hand in hand with the progressives. Like yin/yang. Progressives use racist terminology to get offended and racists use progressivist terminology to get offended. A circularly beautiful victimisation circle. The crown jewel of (mostly) American society
Can we also classify animals like this? There are brown, green and red plants too, all kinds of outward colours... Seeing as we're going completely retarded
>>60343192
I don't think it does in most circles. Believe what you want however, I can't prove otherwise. But I'm telling you from where I'm from nobody actually thinks Spaniards/Portuguese/Italians aren't white.
>>60343304
>Race is a social construct guys
>>60343327
Same here
>>60342771
>then you can't be proud of literally anything
What about shit you actually do, dumbfuck
>>60339010
Fuck off nigger
>>60343266
I am from the northern part of spain (asturias, specifically), I'm just here for an Erasmus scholarship so I know quite well how those things are and were m8 (and we do take a lot of pride in kicking the arabs outta Hispania and all of that)
also all my family is from the mountains of Asturias, so we look all pale with dark hair and green eyes in contrast to what i've seen from the cantabric mountains and below, which is usually dark skin and other dark features
>>60341602
>literally wrote our constitution
>BTFO'd Quebec when they acted up
>fucked up the country
KEK
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Trudeau senior was based.
>>60343365
That is not the point faggot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation
>>60343365
It's not, but beyond the broad classifications of caucasoid, mongoloid, negroid, and australoid the genetic differences between race a negledgable. So if you want white pride then you better let Arabs in on the fun.
>>60343365
"White" is a term romans and greeks used to distinguish themselves from the Easterners, just as we use "Europeans" now. It became a term everyone thinks implies X or Y or Z depending on what their goal is.
He's saying babby's first anthropological distinction should be "caucasoid - negroid - mongoloid - australoid".
>>60343409
>reading comrehension
>>60343559
>What is white?
>Caucasoid skull
>B-but arabs are still shitskins!
What did /pol/ mean by this?
>>60342771
That made no sense
>You got help in something so there is no sense in being proud of it!
This is christian tier logic
>>60343632
White = ethnic Europeans
Non-white = everyone else
Why is this so hard for people to understand?
>>60343526
But that was exactly his point
>These classifications seem completely progressivist in making, a clear example of gross misrepresentation and oversimplification.
Hurr durr the nomenclature is too simplified so it's not accurate. Nigga I know genetics are a mixed bag and far more complicated but it's perfectly rational to use terms like "White" or "Black" or "Arab" what have you.
>>60342771
thats nigger tier desu you can take pride in family and your own individual accomplishments but why on earth would you want to take pride in something you did not do yourself? you are taking away from those who did accomplish great things when you pat yourself on the back for inventions and ideas that were not your own
>>60342047
M8 literally every party is pro immigration, and generally immigrants actually vote Conservative, not liberal. Do you really think that traditional Muslims are going to vote for DUDE WEED LMAO and gay pride parades?
They're bringing in immigrants because with our current system, we generally only get well educated and skilled people that our country needs. We are literally cucking the rest of the world out of their best and brightest.
>>60343466
Well, italians may have something to say about occupations too y'know. The actual percentages of berber and germanic heritage left in the italian genepool are low enough to laugh at the /int/ narration on occupations, guess it's the same in Spain and we can agree on that.
>>60343466
That's not because of moor admixture, it's the way the iberian tribes looked like (as described by the Romans). You probably have green eyes because of:
a) Celtic tribes, which existed in your area
b) influence of visigothic nomads which came to the Peninsula and populated mainly the northernmost areas.
The moors that entered the peninsula were few, it was not a full scale invasion. They got their territory by alliances with warring tribes. Around 95% of the population when the Arabs invaded were Mozarabs (Christians) that later converted to Islam. Race-mixing was not a thing in the scale that it was, for example, in the Spanish colonization of the Americas.
btw this >>60339509
>>60343559
See my answer here
>>60343702
>>60343605
Technically sure, but fuck that. We all know what we mean by "White" and it's not nuanced by some anthropological terms in real life nor does that cease it being legitimate.
>>60339509
Are you proud of the stars that made the carbon in your ballsack? They're literally the reason why you exist.
>>60343713
>you can take pride in family
>and your own individual accomplishments
>but why on earth would you want to take pride in something you did not do yourself?
you're so fucking confused i wonder why you even post
>>60343713
>You can take pride in your family
>You can't take pride in something you didn't do yourself.
Pick one, Jesus.
>>60343702
Maybe if you are just describing the physical characteristics of the ethnic groups, or using the name of an ethnic group (like "Arab"), but to talk about white or brown as their own races doesn't make sense.
>>60343713
Why do you people keep equating "being proud" to self worth?
proud
proud/
adjective
adjective: proud; comparative adjective: prouder; superlative adjective: proudest
1.
feeling deep pleasure or satisfaction as a result of one's own achievements, qualities, or possessions or those of someone with whom one is closely associated.
>or those of someone with whom one is closely associated.
Like your race and ancestors
>>60343699
>Turks are white
What did he mean by this?
Also how far does this go in terms of Ethnic europeans? Are indians white?
>>60343857
>>60343889
i'm guessing neither of you have any significant contributions to humanity?
>>60343771
got a point there m8, I'm not saying that racemix is as bad as /int/ or /pol/ say, or that spaniards ain't white (or any med for that matter), only that discrimination against meds "not being white" happens (even in my region we kinda say that people from the south aren't truly spaniards)
>>60343800
I know that stuff, honestly we got a lot of that history in elementary school (muh asturian pride), and as far as I can trace back my heritage it's celtic so no wonder everyone in my family has green/blue eyes (which is quite common here in the mountains)
also I know iberians were naturally darker-skinned and haired, and that the arabs generally didn't mix a lot with the local mozarab populatioin (because of reasons of class differences even), but as I said to the italian guy i'm mostly pointing why people would think spaniards ain't white
>>60343843
>t. neil degrasse tyson
you're the unfortunate result of thousands of conscious decisions and actions, thought it was simple enough as he put it.
Tbh there's nothing wrong with taking pride in your family or ancestors, but there something wrong with letting that pride guide your actions. If you do something or don't do something because it would offend the sensibilities of dead people then you're an idiot. Especially when this crosses in to politics, of the memory of a dead person is more important to you than the wellbeing of living people then you have seriously screwed up priorities. Basically national or even racial pride is all well and good, but keep that shit out of politics.
>>60343946
ok then pat yourself on the back for things you never did anon
>>60343702
Because people with blue eyes + pale skin and people with brown eyes + tan skin are the same race.
Seems like an appeal to ignorance but it is just an opinion at this point
>>60343960
> i guess your actions didn't affect humanity HUH? SEE THE POINT I'VE MADE?
>>60339010
>german flag
it's ok, we know that you're raised to be unpatriotic cucks
>>60343960
>Let me just ignore my hypocrisy
If you have no problem being proud for family members aka "Not you but people who have your genes". Why is it wrong to be proud of your ethnicity/race/ancestors?
>>60344035
You're literally retarded.
>>60344023
>Especially when this crosses in to politics, of the memory of a dead person is more important to you than the wellbeing of living people then you have seriously screwed up priorities. Basically national or even racial pride is all well and good, but keep that shit out of politics.
Between saving the life of ONE family and instantly stopping a genocide in Uganda every saneminded human would pick the first option.
Extend the same concept to your own tribe, city, nation, culture. There you go, nationalism and ethnonationalism exists again.
>>60339010
Because more people will want to be like that guy who invented something we would get more people who invent stuff..
>>60342738
Explained simply:
Culture decides how our brains are programmed among other things. It is the difference between Japanese people and Americans in business negotiations. Heritage has little to do with this.
>>60344102
Because you actually had involvement in your family member's lives that could have shaped them to what they are.
Such as "I am proud of my son"
That is like asking why you are not a guilt ridden cuck because the slave trade if you are ashamed of what your child does.
>>60344048
White is an ethnic European with ancestors from Europe that is a product of European culture. It's subjective sure. A Spaniard is white, a North african is not despite historical mingling. Are you going to keep being autistic or are you going to keep pretending you can't in real life differentiate white from not white?
>>60344262
Being in a society that funds scientific pioneers is enough of an involvement. A science-supporting american must be proud of NASA. Easy.
>>60343365
We already have broad racial characterisations, left to us before the Nazis made us into a fucking taboo, a political hostage for all other races
We should expand from that terminology. Not use these shitty, American racial categorisations, which are nowadays employed and de/revised by the American population. You New Worlders should shut the fuck up about races because you're running "white" people into the fucking ground with your shitty discourse. Now every Taliban fifth column from Afghanistan or a Kenisha from Atlanta blames and sees "white people" as a giant collective, not to mention an evil collective and other negatives. So that means a Bosnian, for example, in the U.S is held in the same regard as a WASPie evil 1%er. The New Worlders discourse bunches "white people" in the same basket. We're all the same to others because the U.S influence is strong around the world and the epitome "white" in the car U.S is that evil 1%er or a fat munchkin redneck in a motorised cart. Every day I find this shit on social media..."white people can't dance/cook/are fat/don't have rhythm/are weaker physically" and "look at white people do this". Yes, these are the culturally enforced stereotypes brought by the U.S because this is the AMERICAN "white". You can see a fucking Paki in the U.K calling a native Brit "white", pulling the same card as other races in the U.S do. No matter how much if a human garbage this Paki is, he is not to judge a Brit by his race because they're both of the same race, the Paki is just a variation, a shitty educated, possibly criminal and smelly variation of a Caucasian. These niggers can fuck off because my people have rhythm, have a better cuisine and are not obese. Americans are not and must not be the representation of our race
And for fuck sake, a "Moor" and a Castilian intermarrying is not race mixing. They're both Caucasians, one can be browner than the other, due to various variables, especially climate
Fucking New Worlders
>>60344262
>Because you actually had involvement in your family member's lives that could have shaped them to what they are.
So has my race and ancestors shaped me and my parents and so on and so on. Now individually I can be proud of my sister for going into Med school when it was all of her own volition and I had no part in it, yet I can't be proud of my race/ancestors for the exact same thing? I posted the definition of Proud and it's definitely applicable.
>>60344430
But your funds did not go to the romans for example so there is no involvement.
Unless you build a time machine.
>>60344225
Ethnonationalism by definition prioritizing the wellbeing of your own group over others on the basis of arbitrarily selected differended. Nations are such a slippery and maleable concept. There was no individual nationalism of Arab countries until after they were granted independence, and in the 60s you could have called Quebec a separate nation from Canada, but not anymore. Nations can literally appear and disappear overnight, they are entirely socially constructed. If you put these arbitrary distinctions ahead of the wellbeing of other people then you are misguided to say the least.
>>60344256
Really because OP said
>he takes pride in something people with the same genes as him did centuries ago
Seems like the basis of culture is upheld by the enthusiasts of a heritage preserving and worshiping their folklore/art/music and norms. Not too say culture doesn't evolve.
>>60344510
>a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
>Why yes, I am closely associated to a scientist 1000 years ago that was not even my direct ancestor.
What did he mean by this?
>>60344225
Also what you're describing is just the concept of the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few. There isn't really any reason why that should only be applied to your particular group.
>>60344468
See that makes more sense until you equate north africans being the exact same people as Castilians.
>>60344654
>or those of someone with whom one is closely associated.
How are you not closely associated with your ancestors? They are your ancestors. This is not a subjective thing they literally spawned me. I would not be here today had they not decided to make me.
>>60344616
No, culture is different because norms and traditions aren't the same as "honoring the achievements of the past". Culture is much more ambiguous and subtile. Read anything relating to world culture and it will tell you it is the software of our behavior, Geert Hoffsteed for example. I am not in the mood for debating about the semantics of culture with someone who hasn't read any literature on the subject.
>>60344838
M8 I have a black friend who I hang out with on a regular basis. I'm more closely associated with him than with my great grandfather who died before I was born.
>>60344861
>traditions aren't the same as "honoring the achievements of the past".
Nigga what?
>>60344654
Why are you even trying? these people need a lesson in basic logic, but hey memes on 4chins that stroke their egos are way better
it just feels GOOD when you identify with a scientist a 1000 years ago
it also feels good to joke about niggers and how they are inferior to "your people"; the neckbeards on here won't have a chance to be condescending to anybody irl, so let them have it
/pol/fag
>>60341973
Islamic empires and golden age.
I bet you get off to black hate threads and /pol/ threads
>>60344560
back to >>60342771
>>60344577
Again, nation is just one box of the matrioska, the shittiest one most of the time because nearly no nation's border respects the actual ethnic borders.
>>60344656
The italian couple who was butchered near a refugee center in Italy by a negro would be still alive if the Italian Republic didn't take the chance to give people from violent areas of the world in a shelter, even if it meant letting hundreds of thousands africans rotting on the bottom of the sea.
That's all i'm saying, that a sicilian couple's life worth more than 100.000 subsaharians, because they're italian people. Perfectly natural, universally bashed concept in the western world.
>>60344913
So you know him personally, so what? That doesn't retract from being a product and associated with your ancestors far more. I don't look at you and think, "I associate him with black friends", I say "I associate him from his background"
>>60339010
>complain when black people take pride in their inventors and civilizations
>post about how great the romans and british empire were
>>60344838
>i have 99.778% dna in common with my ancestor
>i can be proud
>that nigger there has only 99.776%
>WE WUZ KAAANGZ LMAO :D:D:D:D:D:D
>>60344934
>That's all i'm saying, that a sicilian couple's life worth more than 100.000 subsaharians, because they're italian people.
But it's impossible to rationally justify that, there's no objective measure of human life so you either have to either assume that it's all equally valuable or equally worthless.
>>60343180
Man I wish I would show my historian dad this map so we would laugh about it but he's dead.
>>60345043
>Trivializing the distinction between Ethnic Europeans and Africans because fuck it, we're all the same in the end, we all bleed red, right :DDDD
I can be proud of my race and culture, what of it?
>>60345104
But there is. The level of attachment you have for X and Y. If X shares things with your persona and Y doesn't, you've already made a choice. It may be different in the most cosmopolitan areas of the new world, i won't doubt that.
>>60345004
My personal relationships with people I interact with on a regular basis are far more important to the formation of my personality than genetics are. My ancestors may have contributed something but if you could compare my life to theirs you'd find far more similarities between me and my black friend than between me and even my grandfather.
Why racial or ethnic pride seems so silly to me is because it puts the memory and sentiments of dead people ahead of the wellbeing of living ones.
>>60345241
That attachment is socially conditioned m8. A nation is an imagined community, you haven't, and never will meet the vast majority of Italians, and the connection you feel to them is entirely psychological. You only feel that connection because you have been conditioned to place specific traits that you share with them as somehow significant, when in reality they're arbitrary.
>>60344720
Because you do a predictive mistake, like the stormcucks or the progressivist cucks, of translating skin colour to other factors
Are a Castilian and a Lebanese Arab of the same race? Yes. Does that mean they're on par with each other culturally and equate in all other elements? No
If you accept what I'm saying above. Clear and broad descriptions, clear and specific subdescriptions of races, instead of this kindergarten tier "white/brown/black" shit, then you must also accept that achievement is not related to skin colour. An Italian is more successful than a Maghreb Arab not because he has fairer skin tone or lighter eyes but because if historical and economic circumstances. They're both part of the same Caucasian race that boasts Ireland and Ganges as its homeland, but we apply other adjectives based on objective cultural, political and economic categories as well as our personal beliefs
When you say a Frenchman and a Punjabi are of the same race, people here tighten their anus because they believe the person is saying a Punjabi and a Frenchman are exactly the same, and that an insult to French culture and their skin tone, achievements. That is not the case. Separate physical from non physical
>>60345244
>My personal relationships with people I interact with on a regular basis are far more important to the formation of my personality than genetics are.
You solely exist because of your ancestors decisions,not only is that's far more important than your personal relationship with a black guy you know. It's the defining factor of your existence.
>Why racial or ethnic pride seems so silly to me is because it puts the memory and sentiments of dead people ahead of the wellbeing of living ones.
Racial or ethnic pride doesn't equate too hating other ethnicities and races. For fuck sake, I'm proud of Humanity in general. We got too the fucking moon. Now I may not be related too Neil Armstrong but I take satisfaction and awe from the outcome and people for generations should too. There are things race specific you can be proud about as well. Forgive me but I associate myself with my background, it's majorly important.
>Forgive me but I associate myself with my background, it's majorly important.
>>60345329
>your point of view wrong because you were conditioned and mine isn't
alright, here's the dead end.
>>60345514
>You solely exist because of your ancestors decisions
Sure, and I'm glad that they made those decisions, but I don't see it as a reason to venerate them. They didn't do it for me, they just did what they did and luckily I was born because of it. Ten million years ago two chimps decided to fuck, and because of that I was born. Should I go build a memorial to them?
>It's the defining factor of your existence.
Not really, my existence is far more defined by my personality, behaviour, beliefs, desires, hopes, dreams etc. Those are all almost entirely conditioned by my environment.
>Racial or ethnic pride doesn't equate too hating other ethnicities and races.
No, but it can turn into that really fucking quickly.
>>60339010
And people take pride when their football team wins even if they have never touched a ball in their life, that's the way it is, I'd rather have this than the current opposite a.k.a getting blamed for things your ancestors did
>>60345386
So we can't equate skin color and ethnicity to a particular culture and shared heritage and history anymore? I agree it's divisive but, so? Castilian are a related ethnic group, too Arabs but they are not the same and they both encompass Caucasian but they are not the same race of people. What is wrong with admitting this?
>>60345642
I didn't say that mine wasn't conditioned, I'm just saying that national attachments are arbitrary. If you agree that human life has value there is no rational way to differentiate between one human and another, since there is no objective way to determine who is more important. So it follows that all humans are equally important or equally worthless.
>>60339010
So what? Do I get parts of your clay for free?
>>60345692
delete this
>>60345692
I really liked your post, here, take your well deserved (you) lad.
>>60343972
You are from asturias?
That's nice! I used to visit Leon and the mountains too. Asturias are one of the most beautiful mountains i've ever seen.
I live in the border with Galicia. It's nice here. One of the most green regions of the Peninsula.
Also, you are right. It's proven that the northwest of Iberia wasn't occupied by the moors cause there wasn't economical interest to them in this region (no olives, no wine, bad weather, christian rebels, etc) so they stayed south wich was richer in merchantile terms.
>people in this thread not realizing most of their ancestors were farmers who lived a miserable life
>>60345692
>but I don't see it as a reason to venerate them
Then don't, I do. It makes sense too, you owe your existence to them. Your trivializing the importance of procreation to sustain the human race. Don't build a memorial, do whatever the fuck you want, I just feel a sense of pride.
>Not really, my existence is far more defined by my personality, behaviour, beliefs, desires, hopes, dreams etc. Those are all almost entirely conditioned by my environment.
No, your existence is far more defined by the fact your ancestors created not only you in the first place but your language, your culture, your civilization, your ability to not die of some fucked up disease from birth etc. I'm not talking about who you are personally, I'm talking about your existence.
>No, but it can turn into that really fucking quickly.
I get this is where the vitriol and knee jerk reaction is coming from.
>>60345774
>If you agree that human life has value there is no rational way to differentiate between one human and another, since there is no objective way to determine who is more important.
Yes there is. Don't make me repeat myself, it gets annoying. Let's talk practical things, not debating absolutes here.
>So it follows that all humans are equally important or equally worthless.
Are you too slow to consider there might be a spectrum between the stance of a fervent christian and the nihilistic atheist's?
>>60346028
Meh, like I said earlier, I don't see any particular reason to venerate my ancestors in general, although that doesn't mean I'm not open to venerating specific actions or accomplishments.
Just keeping that shit out of politics is what I'm really concerned about. If it's a personal thing for you or anybody else then I don't really care.
>>60346040
>Yes there is.
Like what? What completely objective way is there to judge the value of one life over another?
>Are you too slow to consider there might be a spectrum between the stance of a fervent christian and the nihilistic atheist's?
I have considered it, but I haven't found any way to rationally justify such a position.
>>60345726
>So we can't equate skin color and ethnicity to a particular culture and shared heritage and history anymore?
What are you on about? Then why did I use "Italian" or "Punjabi" then because of exactly that. Summarising a group of people based on their shared heritage and history. Colour, now that's one way not to do it. Attributing colour ti the reason why one is better than the other. Of course a Swede is lighter than an Armenian, they have different historical circumstances, cultures and such. But ut they belong to a broad term of "Caucasian", one belonging to a shared group of Scandinavians (for a lack of better term, we can't really create better terminology since these disciplines are not allowed to flourish, because everything is "racist" nowadays) and other to the Caucasus group.
>Castilian are a related ethnic group, too Arabs but they are not the same and they both encompass Caucasian but they are not the same race of people. >What is wrong with admitting this?
They're not the same based on what? Even those genetic maps show that these Semitic elements penetrated Europe through the Balkans and Iberia/Apennine peninsula
They belong to the same Caucasian race, but are characterised by different adjectives/values corresponding their region/culture and such. This is something I already said above. It's not hard to admit that they belong to the same race, but differ ethnically, culturally. Separate and stop confusing ethnicity and race. It is not the same thing. An Irishman and a Moldovan are of different ethnicities but are of the same race. They even diverge culturally and politically, as well as economically. Does that mean we should create a hundred different races to appease to this mindless nitpicking, clearly stemming from our personal, political and cultural bias?
>>60345692
This is a good post, have a (you)
>>60346222
Of course you don't find one, you completely discarded it because it's conditioned by social conditions resulted from hundreds and hundreds of years of history, which is clearly "irrational" to your average cosmopolitan new wielder specimen.
>>60346677
>new worlder*
>>60346677
Then what are some objective ways of determining one human's worth over another? There are none.
>>60339010
Humans are retarded m8.... it's like taking pride of 11 guys (that have no idea who you are) winning a football game... it doesnt matter if it's the world cup or a friendly game, it's just retarded getting so excited about it.
>>60346354
>Attributing colour ti the reason why one is better than the other.
When did I say this? Why do people keep thinking that I'm racist. I jut have pride in being white, I don't think I'm better than other people simply because of my skin colour. I just acknowledge and associate that it's where I came from, it is who I am, it's a skin colour tied to a specific geographical location my ancestors came from and all the great and amazing things white people have done and the cultures I have they created that are inexplicably linked. I also share pride in being Caucasian and being human.
>They're not the same based on what? Even those genetic maps show that these Semitic elements penetrated Europe through the Balkans and Iberia/Apennine peninsula
They belong to the same Caucasian race, but are characterised by different adjectives/values corresponding their region/culture and such. This is something I already said above. It's not hard to admit that they belong to the same race, but differ ethnically, culturally. Separate and stop confusing ethnicity and race. It is not the same thing. An Irishman and a Moldovan are of different ethnicities but are of the same race. They even diverge culturally and politically, as well as economically.
Fair. I associate them by their cultures and if you say they are the same genetically I'll take your word for it, but just from appearance alone, Castilians and Lebanese Arabs looks like different people to me.
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>>60343857
my goodness thank you for the (you's) anons i really appreciate it
>>60347269
Bravo
>>60346844
Should i set a Bot in order to keep the conversation going?
>>60345241
I think you're mistaking "objective" for "making an objective rank of populations in order of importance" or just trying to piss me off.
>>60345692
>They didn't do it for me, they just did what they did and luckily I was born because of it.
So you say your ancestors made you by accident? If your parents were just egoistic there is no sense to get children. If you decide to have children, you want to give something further from you and let some parts of you or your family survive in the future. Some of them worked really hard for their success and it's okay to be proud of your family.
>>60347118
You understand that conditions exist that allow some things to happen, yes? The reason I wrote this last sentence so clumsily is because I don't have the right anthropology background to go in depth.
Of course they look different to you. The Balinese and Siamese cats are of the same group but one has longer hair and stockier body while the other is, well, Siamese...It means they share fundamentals. Caucasians share fundamentals with Mongoloids. We both, as it's caricatured here, bleed "red", are human...but we can't deny other differences because of this fact. Even comparing amongst ourselves and comparing ourselves to other races
You, as a "white" share roots with Rajputs, Iranians, Georgians, Serbs, Lithuanians. There is something latent and ancient holding you together. Recognising this doesn't annul all the accumulated differences through unique histories and cultural developments
>>60341607
Hey man I think you leaf looks pretty good why the hate
