Muslims can marry up to 4 wives, point goes for Islam
>>60335785
You will never have one, point goes for reality.
>>60335840
This
>>60335840
Actually I'm already married one I love and will never marry other, point goes for me?
>>60335785
can't it be more than 4?
>>60335915
only if ur a radical mormon
>>60335915
no it can't
>>60335969
so progressive
before Muhammed men would have thousands of wives, but the prophet (peace be upon him) limited the number to 4 mashallah.
>>60335960
or a turkish Sultan seeking harim
>>60335969
sheikhs can
tho its probably 4 wives 20 mistresses
>>60335904
You are missing out on your first point
>>60335904
I'm married too but would still love to tap new ass. Instead I have to cheat and worry about getting caught.
>>60336010
where do the mistresses live?
>>60335785
I can't understand how women would want to put themselves into such a belittling situation really
>>60336298
Women have different psychology than dudes bro.
A woman would rather share a powerful man than be stuck with a loser.
Remember this when you start dating.
>>60335785
Why would you want to have 4 wives? I want my children to have one mother and one father, and not 4 mothers.
>>60336221
in one of the palaces probably
related: http://www.emirates247.com/news/emirates/uae-s-super-daad-with-90-kids-to-marry-again-2011-05-24-1.396622
>>60335785
>tfw polygamy in turkey is banned
WE TOOK THE BAD PARTS OF ISLAM AND TAKE THE BAD PARTS OF THE WEST
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5iozM5ZiNE
>>60336393
i don't, it is happining in war times when women become more than men but these days some doing it for fun, some girls are friends and want to share a guy to be both or all together, some don't want to feel lonely, sometimes a guy loves other woman and can't leave his woman so he marry both, some muslims use it as a system so that they never leave a woman with no man lel i rare seen this in iraq.. (twice saw it in my entire life) yet it exist
>>60335785
>wanting more than one wife
Pointless and uneconomical, virtually all polygamic societies either collapse or stagnate into turdskin shitholes - much like islamic societies.
>>60335785
Can 1 women be married to multiple husbands?
>>60336708
saddly no...
>>60336708
only if she is alpha
>>60336764
So a few rich sheiks are gonna get all the women, while thousands of men are gonna be alone. Thanks but no thanks.
>>60336828
>Nurgul Yesilgay
erry tiem
>>60336886
>çay
>>60335785
Atheists can take as many wives as they like.
religious people 0
atheists 1
>>60335785
>imagine 4 wifes nagging around
>mfw I just want to play Europa Universalis 4 in peace allah damn it
Yeah, no thanks
>>60335785
polygamy is allowed in Islam in cases of extreme scenarios. In fact polygamy is discouraged
Lucky :(
In Tunisia polygammy is illegal
why all arabs countries can marry 4 wives and tunisians can only 1 :'( , fkg democratic country
>>60336655
>some girls are friends and want to share a guy to be both
Sounds like beta women. Not interested.
>>60337486
Shame that "alpha women" have had more dicks inside them than public sauna.
>>60337486
>beta women
What
>>60336828
What am I supposed to be looking at
>>60336977
But religion gives you personal fulfillment and acts as a source of hope
>>60336618
What happens in the video?
>>60338049
its a movie adaptation of a turkish comedy about a woman called hurmuz and her 7 husbands
>>60338329
what do you mean?
>>60338202
Beautiful lies indeed.
>>60335785
>Having 4 mother-in-laws
4 points to monogamy
>>60338500
They probably beat their wives and mothers-in-law like cattle with sticks
>Embrace Islam
>Never practice polygamy except Sultans.
What was the purpose?
Can a woman have several husbands too?
>>60338602
That's a western thing m8.
>>60338469
I mean, what happens in that video you embedded? What were those women doing and why? Why were there so many people around them? Tell me, plz.
>>60335785
Such marriages are not recognised in the eyes of God. Marriage is a spiritual union of two halves, making an even greater whole, not a man and how many gold diggers he can entice.
>>60338500
Came here to post this.
These guys are insane
>>60338563
The fuck were the sultans doing anyway. They fuckd women but never married them except in rare cases. Pretty sure that's against islam too.
>>60338702
just some absolutely degenerate shit during a gay pride rally in istanbul
i don't know why
>>60339015
its not against islam and judaism as i know. so its probably not against chrisitanity too
>>60339074
What? Doesn't islam say you have to marry before sexing?
>>60335785
4 women on their period
you'll have to provide for them too
>>60339100
the palace people were officially sultans kul(which means slave-lite) including the women in harem
but the sultans were at odds with islamic authority quite often desu
>>60335785
>can't even find one decent western women to marry, let alone 4
What is even the point if all you can choose is boring, vapid and shit?
>>60339100
you can have sex with your "slaves"
>>60339262
Proofs? Sounds like bullshit.
>>60335785
Muslims can't eat this, -100 points
>>60339015
Basically this >>60339262
Muslims were allowed to have sex with their slaves, more like rape really since consent wasn't involved.
Muhammad did the same thing with a slave he owned called Maria, he even produced a child with her.
All while Muslims are against two consenting free adults having sex. Crazy isn't it.
>>60339303
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_malakat_aymanukum#Sexual_intercourse
alos in judaism, as i know, Ismael (son of Abraham's) is also child of a slave woman
>>60339074
It is against christianity.
Another proof that only christianity is the true faith, all others are morally inferior because they are the products of the inferior one, the devil.
>>60339479
are you sure?
>but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+31%3A15-18
>>60336685
>>60335991
>Pointless and uneconomical
Typical retarded shit from a Finns, never cease to entertain.
Multiple wives were a necessity, especially in time s of war when widows were widespread. No husband + lots of kids = social burden
Youve all seen how fatherless homes breed the most degenerate generations in America. Take a look at the black community.
Having multiple wives was a way for men with a more expendable income to support families so that they did not burden the state and require expansive welfare systems. Those kids needed father figures in their lives and that system worked perfectly to ensure social stability.
>>60339348
>more like rape really since consent wasn't involved
Except thats wrong you retard, consent is required whether or not theyre a slave otherwise its rape. Thats what rape means.
>and if your maidens desire chastity do not force them into otherwise
>>60340026
>perfectly
>for every Islamic chad there will be 3 forever alones who won't even get a gf in their 30's
>>60340107
>He thinks social degeneracy is better
Once again, take a look at the black community.
>>60340192
Luckily they can commit terrorist attacks on other Muslims and get 72 virgins.
>>60338485
I never said religion wasn't nonsense. But still, being religious is much better than being an atheist. Knowing that you'll never see your loved ones ever again when they pass away isn't exactly a nice thought.
But how many of those wives have moustaches?
>>60340317
chart is trending down though
does it take abortion into account?
...
why would you want more than one wife? are you rertarded?
>>60340382
That depends on how many camels you are willing to pay for them.
>>60340382
and unibrows of the same shape and size as their moustaches
>>60335785
>wanting 4 sets of in-laws
>wanting to fund and satisfy 4 women simultaneously
>wanting to have to deal with 3 horny deprived violent muslim males
No thanks. God intended for 1 man and woman to be together, and 1 to 1 ratio provides just about best outcome for all the trade offs.
>>60335785
Why would you want more than 1 wife though? Lovers and gf's I could understand but wife?! You get less than half of sex you'd get with 1 wife but more than twice the nagging.
>>60338909
mathna wa thalath wa ruba3
>>60340434
Yep, liberals realized that african americans were having so many fatherless kids that they would not be able to continue supporting them with social welfare programs, abortion was the perfect tool.
More black babies are aborted than born in NYC
>>60340579
Nice stealth deployment of eugenics desu
>>60335785
I don't want more than one wife, though
>>60340092
'Do not force them into prostitution'.
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=24&verse=33
Slaves were not allowed to disobey their masters. Masters could easily demand sex, and the did. You'd be stupid to think that slaves in a harem were willingl there, or could say '"i'm not in the mood", and get off free.
>>60340317
God the 90s were truly a shit decade
Yeah but most muslims can't even afford a single wife and so the goat needs to take the place if no ugly fat female cousin exists.
>>60340858
>im not in the mood
>he thinks women really know what they want
Do you think they use that line on chad?
explains why duneninjas are so fucking retarded
They can marry how many wifes they are able to take care of. They must also give the same treatment to all, did you buy a diamond ring for one of them? Better buy one for all 34.
>>60340956
>western europe
Jesus WTF
>>60340356
If we didn't rely on the lie about the afterlife, we might already have life eternal on earth.
>>60335785
omg, i want to die, when i see this ladies
>>60339320
>if driven by necessity it's ok
taken from the koran according to wiki
There is roughly one female per male. That means that for every guy with 4 wives, there are 3 men without a wife. Now tell me, which do you think you will be?
If we move towards polygyny, the top 20% of men will take the top 80% of women. The remaining 80% of men will share the bottom 20% of women (prostitutes).
>>60343481
>There is roughly one female per male. That means that for every guy with 4 wives, there are 3 men without a wife.
The one guy is alpha(physically/in personality) and can economically provide for his 4 wives and those three guys are fat, autistic and unemployed like you.
Women should get to choose who they want to be with, they shouldn't be forced into marrying autistic manchildren.
>>60343788
Then those 3 guys with nothing to lose will go and kill that alpha. Polygyny will only work if that alpha has enough power to keep those 3 guys away. So it only works in a society with massive inequality (and the other side of the coin is that in a society without massive inequality, there won't be enough incentive for women to want to share). That's not the case right now: inequality is relatively low in industrial societies. But we're certainly trending towards inequality and thus in the long run polygyny.
>>60335785
>>60335991
Two rare flags in one thread
>>60342058
Doubtful. We most likely wouldn't be any more advantaged than we already are
>>60343987
>Then those 3 guys with nothing to lose will go and kill that alpha
No, you can't even talk to girls. You're playing video games or watching porn.
>So it only works in a society with massive inequality
Nope. It works in reality. You're a Bernie supporter. You want free university and free women. You're an autistic retard.
>>60340026
>Men can have multiple wives
>Women would get beaten if they even talk to another man
>MFW western feminists still think white men are the sexist ones
>>60344299
Christ you are obtuse.
>No, you can't even talk to girls. You're playing video games or watching porn.
There are obviously not enough such people to support polygyny. Unemployment for example is ~5% not 70%.
>Nope. It works in reality. You're a Bernie supporter. You want free university and free women. You're an autistic retard.
Obviously it doesn't work in reality as polygyny is illegal. And I know Americans tend to be a bit lacking upstairs but Bernie is running for president of your country, not mine.
>>60340560
What the fuck does that even mean?
>>60344529
>And I know Americans tend to be a bit lacking upstairs but Bernie is running for president of your country, not mine.
He dropped out
>>60344496
>Women would get beaten if they even talk to another man
Except thats wrong, retard. How do you think Muslim women go about their daily life without talking to any men. Theres literally nothing in islam that says they cant.
Also the whole beat your wife meme is bullshit as well. They use a miswek (toothbrush) to tap on the womans leg or shoulder.
Even for more serious crimes like sex before marriage, they use a thin cane to tap on her back and ass as public humiliation, not for pain.
>>60344529
>There are obviously not enough such people to support polygyny
Are you stupid? A fat socially retarded piece of shit like you isn't going to beat up an alpha and take his women.
>Obviously it doesn't work in reality as polygyny is illegal.
Something doesn't work because the law said so? You're an idiot.
>And I know Americans tend to be a bit lacking upstairs
You sound exactly like a bernie supporter. You think you're entitled to a woman. You want the government to provide you with free women.
>>60344698
>How do you think Muslim women go about their daily life without talking to any men.
They don't go. Or they go it if they are with another male family member.
>They use a miswek (toothbrush) to tap on the womans leg or shoulder.
Citations needed.
>Even for more serious crimes like sex before marriage, they use a thin cane to tap on her back and ass as public humiliation, not for pain.
>sex before marriage is a serious crime
>is not for pain
Yeah, look at all the fun this guy is having
>>60344972
fun fun fun
>>60344972
>Are you stupid? A fat socially retarded piece of shit like you isn't going to beat up an alpha and take his women.
The fraction of society that are fat, autistic, unemployed, socially retarded, play video games, watch porn and can't talk to girls is actually quite low. I would guess that these kinds of total losers make up around 5% of the population tops. That's not enough to support polygyny. For a society to embrace polygyny, that fraction probably needs to be around 50%.
>Something doesn't work because the law said so? You're an idiot.
Yes, I base my views on reality. Reality is that there has been no polygyny in the West for over a millennium, and that there is no polygyny in any industrial countries. You sound like a socialist talking about how your system really could work if we just gave it a shot.
>You sound exactly like a bernie supporter. You think you're entitled to a woman. You want the government to provide you with free women.
Seeing as a Bernie supporter is going to at least nominally believe in feminism, and that the government controlling women's sexuality is antithetical to feminism, I will have to once again take issue with your reasoning.
Are there any statistics on the average number of wives a man has in Muslim countries? I couldn't find any but I get the impression the vast majority only has one.
>>60344698
I'm not saying all Muslims but the sort that would have multiple wives including many being let in Europe in their hordes would certainly do the things I've listed.
>>60345283
Are you implying this is more injustice than say...the male suicide rate in the West, men getting divorce raped in the West, men going to prison for false rape accusations?
>>60345206
>They don't go. Or they go it if they are with another male family member
I work with Muslim women, I know two that wear the niqab as well, they talk to me all the time. As long as its in public and not secluded, they can talk to whoever they want.
>Citations needed
>Ata' said: "I asked Ibn Abbas: 'What is the hitting that is ghayr al-mubarrih?' He replied: '[With] the siwak and the like'." Narrated by al-Tabari in his Tafsir.
>"Lo! My last recommendation to you is that you should treat women well. Truly they are your helpmates, and you have no right over them beyond that - except if they commit fahisha mubina ( open lewd sexual act). If they do, then refuse to share their beds and beat them ghayra mubarrih (without indecent violence). Then, if they obey you, do not show them hostility any longer. Lo! you have a right over your women and they have a right over you. Your right over your women is that they not allow whom you hate to enter your bed nor your house. While their right over them is that you treat them excellently in their garb and provision."
Essentially the only situation in which you can tap a wife with the toothbrush is if she has already cheated on you and the first two steps have already been taken (ignoring then forsaking her in bed).
There are some who say a light spanking can be used but lets not get too kinky now :^)
Its nearly impossible to prove a woman has cheated on you because you would have to get 4 trusted and reliable witnesses who saw the precise things which happened and their testimonies cannot be conflicting.
>>60345372
So youre just making up shit based on your preconceived notions of how Muslim men are even though youve never actually witnessed or taken the time to research and understand them.
>>60345590
No.
And you just used all 3 of islam apologists ways of defending islam.
1. Lie.
2. Tone it down.
3. What about these other unrelated bad things?
Surprise me now.
>>60345283
Have you ever lightly spanked a disobedient kid? Even though it doesnt hurt at all, the humiliation is enough to make them bawl.
>>60345880
Ah yes, apparently Adults should be treated like Children.
Tell me, does the Wife get to whip the Husband if he's been cheating?
>>60345288
>The fraction of society that are fat, autisti blah blah blah
You're digressing. You said if there's polygyny then guys with no wives will end up killing guys with multiple wives. My position is guys like you are too weak and too unorganized and content with your own hands.
>>60345965
She can do him one better, get a divorce or get him executed, dumbass
>>60345724
No. I'm stating what anyone who would think marrying four women is a good idea would behave like.
>birth distribution between males and females is almost equal
>every fourth man has four wives
>three in four men will never have a wife
>and then people wonder why muslims are so angry and violent
>>60345631
>anecdotal evidence
You find one verse of the texts and believe it's what most muslims do? Give me a citation that doesn't come from the religious texts.
>Its nearly impossible to prove a woman has cheated on you
I guess all the stonings were impossible and people just have been collectively imagining them.
>>60346064
I hope you realize something like 1% of Muslim men have more than one wife. You have to be rich and have all the time in the world.
>>60346064
>No. I'm stating what anyone who would think marrying four women is a good idea would behave like.
If the women are ok with it and the man can provide for all his wives and children what's the problem?
>>60346010
And my point is that the losers you speak of are only a small fraction of the population. The reason we don't have polygyny is because most men aren't the losers you speak of.
>>60346255
>pew poll done in a couple of third world shitholes on numbers barely reaching into the thousands
>projected onto a population over 1.6 billion from all over the globe with different cultures
But because its on a pretty diagram it must be legit!
>I guess all the stonings were impossible and people just have been collectively imagining them.
>Muh zero sum game
I didnt say impossible I said nearly impossible you fucktard.
>>60345880
Yeah, but we're not talking about lightly spanking.
We're talking about whipping someone one hundred times.
>>60346298
Envy
>1 man lives the pimp life
>3 men become angry, bitter and join ISIS
This system has clearly worked very well for Iraq.
>>60345880
>>60345965
>>60346015
>This conversation between Sudan and America
What the fuck am I reading
>>60346015
That's not how shit works in civilized countries
>>60335785
>Muslims can marry up to 4 wives
No wonder they're all blowing themselves up
One is enough senpai
>>60346015
http://quran.com/4/34
Muslims can beat their wives if they are 'arrogant'.
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/bukhari/007.072.715.html
Muhammad told an Abused Woman that she can't divorce her Husband and till after she has sex with him.
Wow, so many choices for Women.
>>60346298
Except, a lot of the times the Wife isn't ok with it and doesn't have a say in the matter.
http://www.islamawareness.net/Marriage/fatwa_05.html
The first wife’s consent is not a prerequisite for a man to take another wife. The Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas was asked about this and replied as follows:
>It is not obligatory for the husband, if he wants to take a second wife, to have the consent of his first wife, but it is good manners and kindness to deal with her in such a manner that will minimize the hurt feelings such thing might produce. So it’s incumbent on the husband to be kind to his wife, discuss the matter with her in a gentle and pleasant manner, and this should be coupled with spending whatever money may be necessary in order to gain her acceptance of the situation.”
Note that it's admitted that taking another Wife will emotionally hurt the old one, but instead of abstaining from having a second wife, they try to 'minimize the hurt feelings', as if the Husbands Lust and Greed are more important than his old Wife.
And how are these feelings minimized? By
>spending whatever money may be necessary in order to gain her acceptance of the situation
In effect, bribing the wife, cause that's all Women supposedly care about, right? Forget Commitment, Stability, Cooperation, Muslim Women don't need them from their Muslim Husbands, all the Husbands need to do to bring another Stranger into his Wife's, and maybe Children's home is to bribe his Wife, right?
Fuck Islam, and Fuck your Way of thinking. The sooner this cancerous religion dies, the better.
>>60346782
HAHAHAHAHA
>>60346380
Were is your pretty diagram defending islam? Or negating this?
>I didnt say impossible I said nearly impossible you fucktard.
>because it doesn't happen often, it's not bad
>toning it down
Yeah, muslim apologists in the thread.
Don't worry woman being stoned, it was "nearly" impossible for it to happen!
>>60335785
>4 times the alimony
>>60346298
Because it's an extreme double standard. Women never get that option in the first place and many are even banned from touching men. Even if it's just a handshake.
>>60346872
Also I hope the person or people I'm arguing with is/are American Muslims and not some brainwashed cucks.
>>60346788
To be fair almost all religion is cancer.
>>60336064
driiiiiiiiiiiiing
>>60347169
While all fedoras are cancer
>>60335785
They have to, after all they need to re-populate countries where most males were crucified, blown up or decapitated.
>>60335904
Not wanting to marry 2 womenz is considered cuck in Islam.
>>60335996
concubines are not wives. often, sultans married one woman at a time (with exceptions). the married woman had special status and was above the concubines.
>>60346788
>Muslims can beat their wives if they are 'arrogant'.
>ignoring all my posts that address that very verse
Refer to >>60345631
>Ata' said: "I asked Ibn Abbas: 'What is the hitting that is ghayr al-mubarrih?' He replied: '[With] the siwak and the like'." Narrated by al-Tabari in his Tafsir.
>"Lo! My last recommendation to you is that you should treat women well. Truly they are your helpmates, and you have no right over them beyond that - except if they commit fahisha mubina ( open lewd sexual act). If they do, then refuse to share their beds and beat them ghayra mubarrih (without indecent violence). Then, if they obey you, do not show them hostility any longer. Lo! you have a right over your women and they have a right over you. Your right over your women is that they not allow whom you hate to enter your bed nor your house. While their right over them is that you treat them excellently in their garb and provision."
It deosnt just refer to "arrogance" its arrogance after wrongdoing aka cheating.
>Muhammad told an Abused Woman that she can't divorce her Husband and till after she has sex with him
>Muh hadith are more important than the quran
Are you just pretending to be retarded? Women are fully capable of divorcing their husbands before consummation of the marriage unless otherwise written in their marriage contract.
>>60338500
women have no authority..
I thought that was clear
>Sudan attacking Islam
>America defending Islam
Can't make this shit up
>>60347757
>Pajeet thinking hes relevant
>>60347803
t. Hunter Chase Muhammad
>>60340526
> Lovers and gf's I could understand but wife?! You get less than half of sex you'd get with
what logic is this?
Infact, a husband is even advised to "share time" with each of his wives and not discriminate against them. Meaning, you have to fuck all of them.
>>60347567
Alright, I concede the Quran verse 4:34, but you'll have to explain why you use one Hadith verse to explain the Quran verse, and discard another (Bukhari 72:715), without explanation.
Also how do you explain the fucked up rules when it comes to polygamy, that I addressed in my previous post?
>>60347757
Not uncommon. Drop by on a /mena/ thread sometime, there are some Muslims there as well as Atheists.
>>60347757
This thread is magic.
>>60347958
>why you use one Hadith verse to explain the Quran verse, and discard another
Just because one woman was ordered to have sex as per the conditions of the contract she willingly signed, doesnt mean its a free for all and that all women must do the same regardless of their marriage contract.
>Also how do you explain the fucked up rules when it comes to polygamy
A husband cant marry another wife if his is not okay with it, he has to fulfill his duties as per his marriage contract to remain faithful to her. Sure, different madthabs have different views on it, but you cant take the extreme and say that fatwa holds more ground than other established concepts.
Some say its okay some say it isnt. If you ask me, it isnt okay.
Men shouldnt be taking on multiple wives unless its a necessity anyway (like in times of war when widows are more prevalent)
>>60348384
Alright then. Well I'm glad you view it as wrong. Apologies if I came across as too rude.
>>60348502
Its not your fault. A lot of the Muslim world is still stuck in that degenerate medieval mindset of "Because this vague hadith says so and so I can remove all the conditions and apply it to every possible situation". All of it spread by those shitty wahhabi clerics funded by petrodollars. You can thank the British and Sykes Picot for that
