>Migrants are actually good for a countries economy
Why do I keep seeing this everywhere? What's backing this up? It doesn't make sense to me
Sweden's economy is doing much better than its neighbours (especially Finland) and they have immigrants up the ass
I guess it is the logic that the migrants will come and consume. In order to keep consuming they will work.
>>60332200
Migrant workers can help drive down the cost of seasonal work, but only if they're actually migrants. Otherwise they bring a whole host of problems with them
>>60332200
Nothing. Immigration is terrible for infrastructure and society. The only people who want it are those who directly benefit from it through cheaper wages etc.
>>60332200
It's good for rich people as they get cheap labour.
And the immigrants that don't do cheap labour jobs are already rich.
Both ends make the rich richer.
>>60332280
>Immigration is terrible for infrastructure and society
It worked for the US, Canada, and Australia until very recently when the government started actively importing people
>>60332302
That is because you were effectively still colonizing empty areas.
Its to flood the economy with cheap labor. It's good for the "muh GDP" numbers but not actually good for the quality of life for the natives that now have to compete with peasants. Politicians only care about GDP dick waving, not their actual people. Especially in Europe where nationalism is frowned upon.
Reproduction is good for economy but whites no longer reproduce so there are two options remaining for the government.
1.- Watch your whole infrastructure fail and see your economy shrink in an ever competitive market, suffer from currency devaluation and an export dependent society.
2.-Life in a multicult shithole with lack of social cohesion where everyone earns what they deserve and have the opportunities of a free ever competitive market.
>>60332302
Immigration used to work because no-one gave a shit muh raycism and muh oppression. You came and worked or fucked off which is why
>government started actively importing people
is pure cancer. It makes them a bullshit protected class and undermines any benefit immigration could have.
>>60332200
It's good for banks, that's why it's always bankers promoting it on tv
>>60332329
There's still a lot of federal land that could be developed in the US and the prairies in Canada could be further developed
The problem is 1) The US changed the immigration rules started importing workers from third world countries and 2) welfare and cohabitation programs have removed all incentives for them to integrate
>>60332200
>>60332341
Because >muh growth
Growth is supposedly always good in the eyes of economists.
>>60332410
What growth does it bring, asides crime stats ?
>>60332359
>where everyone earns what they deserve and have the opportunities of a free ever competitive market.
Only in undeveloped places with a lot of space. It does not work in the western world that is full and competitive
>>60332439
It brings bigger numbers to the balance sheets and income statements. That's about it.
>>60332439
Seasonal work mostly. That's what the migrant programs were for and they were fairly effective
Unfortunately, they stopped being migrants and started being permanent residents which fucked everything up
>>60332242
Partly true. They are doing better, not because of immigrants but because they been absorbing most of the damage with their currency. Stockholm and other larger Swedish cities have huge real estate bubble brewing combined with ridiculous loan payment times (up to 100 years in some cases). This has been caused by immigration to larger cities and the eternal American belief of "real estate prices never go down".
>>60332439
In theory, more people=more workers=more growth, which you need to maintain no matter the cost because once a major currency like the Euro or Dollar experiences deflation the whole financial order goes tits up.
>>60332359
>where everyone earns what they deserve and have the opportunities of a free ever competitive market.
Back to reason.com m8
>>60332444
sorry to ruin it to you Cletus but your blue collar job is totally overated, any half bred monkey can lift metal pieces. hence why Jose and Armando took yer jobs.
>>60332439
Manpower is actually golden. You can't buy people.
>>60332499
(You)
>>60332516
Germany is buying people tho
>>60332405
>and the prairies in Canada could be further developed
HAHAHAHAHAHA
We've had some fairly good ones. Snowy mountains were cuhrazy.
>>60332592
I didn't say it would be easy to develop
>>60332619
You need to have coast to be a globally relevant city. Can't do shit without a port. None of that area will ever be relevant.
They are really trying to copy the US which is the model of migrant policy success, and went from backwater colonial hicktown to world superpower in basically 100 years.
Europe as a result has been irrevelant (from an individual country standpoint) since the end of WW2. If you were leader of your country - how else do you propose making your country relevant again?
Don't say do nothing - then you'll just continue being America's bitch.
>>60332734
>the US which is the model of migrant policy success
Not anymore
>>60332708
Moscow's pretty relevant thanks to obscene amounts of rail connections.
>>60332734
The times of the great migration to America were blessed both by a fairly choice population of migrants, and social obligations that promoted integration. Without both you postpone the even potentially boosting a nation for almost a century, and warp it harshly from what it once was when it opened its arms.
>>60332708
Ever heard of London, Berlin, Paris or Moscow, m8?
>>60332734
It's impossible for any European country to become as powerful as America because they lack the resources. Plenty of them are relevant though
>>60332708
>American education
>>60332734
Mainly this. Trying to emulate America was a mistake, even for America. People claiming Migrants are good for the economy are still stuck in the 70's and 80's when Europe was getting productive human beings instead of dipshits abusing free housing and money while not bothering to learn the language or develop skills in better facilities in their new adopted countries. The day of the Indian doctor is gone, we now have Turks taping drywall and Afghans running gas stations or delivering pizza.
>>60332870
Berlin isn't really a good example, it's proof against your position when lined up against say, Hamburg.
Paris is weird.
London is basically a port.
Milan is a good example though.
>>60332870
>Berlin
Not even the most relevant city in Germany, complete shithole
>>60332778
Not just rail connections. Basically, every big road in the western part of Russia starts at Kremlin, which is a huge pain for everyone
>>60332941
desu I'll take any migrants over Indian 'upper' class. They're absolutely insufferable people.
>>60332200
Cheap labour, supposedly. Then again, most of them don't want to work and keep leeching welfare, so it probably has the opposite effect.
>>60332200
If they are skilled workers or entrepreneurs then they can create tax revenue, jobs, investment.
If they leech off the government, not so much.
>>60333016
>They're absolutely insufferable people.
Really? Poos seem alright here
>>60333060
Fresh of the boat poos really are not nice to be around. Ones who have been here for many years are much better.
>>60333060
All our poos are doctors that disappear when they aren't working
>>60333054
>f they leech off the government, not so much.
Not so much, yeah, but they're still consuming shit which boosts company revenues and increase gdp growth. That's why it's a-ok in the mind of a politician to import them at the cost of the average tax payer.
>>60333060
We only get the good poos.
>>60333136
take*
>>60332839
I'm pretty sure most o the first settlers and the uncountable migrant waves that came to US were all considered criminals at their time.
What really made US great was social responsibility, lack of cultural stigmas to follow and the idea of every lad for its own. On the other hand Givesmethat and far rights have always hold the country back.
>>60333060
Your low and middle class are generally pretty good. It's the upper niggers that are a pain in the ass.
>>60333084
Even consecutive generations manage to be annoying.
Oriental asians manage to integrate well and maintain distinct identities of their origins. Upper class indians try to squish both together, fail to do so without noticing the failure. And then strut around and brag about it.
>>60333129
> and increase gdp growth
But they buy stuff with money they got from welfare, how would that even work?
>>60333016
>>60333060
>>60333084
The problem with poos is that the first and second generation had a fuck ton of stifling competition among themselves and us so we got the best of the best of the poos. Now that they fucked off the newer poos born here work under the table or don't aspire to what their parents did.
>>60333183
>And then strut around and brag about it.
This I cannot tolerate amongst even my own diaspora
>succeed in white country
>So and so ancient civilization was a reflection of our genuine superiority
>expect the remaining sudos or 1.3 billion Indians to immigrate and find accommodation among 200 million whites...
>..to find the same success
>
>>60333184
kek
>>60333227
> work under the table or don't aspire to what their parents did
Seems like they have completely assimilated
>>60333184
Kek
>>60332200
Immigration isn't always good for a country. But because liberal economics are based entirely around growth, when a population begins shrinking, the GDP can't properly grow. Migrants are a quick and dirty way to keep the GDP growing.
Even if many immigrant groups do not properly assimilate, they work and contribute to the economy all the same.
>>60332302
>actively importing people
That doesn't happen you dumb shit. You think Angela Merkel is buying plane tickets for Syrians?
>>60332888
Enbloc they are relevant. Hence this whole push for the EU for the past 20 years.
>>60332764
America still is despite all the handwringing over recent immigrants. America is the great destroyer of cultures and languages. Within 2 generations the kids of immigrants do not speak the language or keep the customs of the old country. Just look at Little Italy in NYC - 50 years ago it was still a migrant ghetto. Today you can't even find Italian speakers.
Same thing will happen with this Mexican wave. Coming from SoCal only half of the kids of Mexican immigrants can even speak fluent Spanish, and by the next generation none of them can.
>>60333253
>This I cannot tolerate amongst even my own diaspora
American blacks no longer count as African
Africans can actually be decent people
>>60332200
Look at Australia's economy before European immigrants came. Makes you think, eh?
>>60333357
Yeah, but it's American tradition to obsessively worry about each new wave of immigrants what parts of our """culture""" it's going to destroy
>>60333369
>major industries: sticks, fire
Damn.
>>60333442
Don't forget didgeridoos.
>>60333471
>hollow sticks
>>60333496
They are actually hard to make and hard to play as far as I know. Abos are still monkeys though.
>>60333369
Whites aren't immigrating en masse to any country any more. Immigration of highly developed people is good for a country, regardless of race. That's assuming the country isn't already overpopulated
>>60333442
>fire
Not in Tasmania.
