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The fusion of Bundeswehr and Dutch armed forces is progressing. The Commissioner will now integrate Czech soldiers in the German troops. The target: the EU army.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article153382058/Die-Bundeswehr-wird-zum-Labor-fuer-eine-EU-Armee.html
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>dying for western cucks
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never

fuck the EU
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>>60316236
>Germany slowly integrating other countries into it again
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>>60316236
Join? no. Support? yes.
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Germany is back to their old tricks
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>>60316236
But only Sudetendeutsche
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>>60316236
No, a european army would tighten the grip of the EU over the european countries. The EU is an undemocratic and ever growing centralized power and a threat to europe.
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>>60316617
This time we will join them.
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Sure. I'd join.
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>>60316617
For the opposite cause though
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>>60316236
lol no
fuck merkel and the EUSSR
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>>60316774
>a threat to europe

i think you have bigger problems than the EU
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>>60317103
EU is the cause, rapefugees are just syndromes
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>>60316236
fuck no
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The funny part is that "the European army" will be used against Europeans if they ever try to rebel against getting cucked.
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Only when this army remove kebab. Would fight with my white european brothers. 10/10
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>>60316400
>>60317084
pssssssshhhhh

shut it DOWN
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>>60317178
Poland know whats up
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>>60316236
I would love to see you fucking retarded yuropoors plunge yourselves into yet another fucking war that burns the continent down.
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>>60317347
What if it will be your continent this time >_>
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>>60316236
Continentals have 0 fighting spirit, so fuck you.
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>>60316236
yes
gibe citizenship
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>>60316236
damn, i wanna see eu army vs turkish army. i would pay for that.

eu army would be great to leave nato and american dominance while focusing on getting better relation with russia to avoid getting nuked. eu army would be purely defensive
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>>60317103
The EU is responsible for most of the shit we are facing now. Our politicians are passing EU laws because they know they could not get through with it on a national level.
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>>60317485
>purely defensive
Ghahahah

Do you want me to tell you what can you do with a "purely defensive" army? Do I really need to do that?
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>>60316236
>European army

If there was one, you would all need to speak the same language.
Who would be the leader?
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>>60317578
lets go
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>>60317635
Jean Claude Van Damme dressed in his Street Fighter movie outfit.
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>Want to leave EU - but also want qt German Gf
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>>60317485
The US "dominance" is they only thing keeping you miserable cunts afloat these days.
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>EU Army
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>move to Germany for uni
>get drafted to fight turkey
>tfw born just in time to exterminate roaches

Fells good desu
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>>60317661
I'll try to make it easy. Have you ever played a tactical game? Can you tell me what does the enemy do if you fortify yourself and go defensive?

Or did you ever consider what thread does a defensive army poses to parties that would like to have a go at it? Can you image planning a strategy of invasion and knowing that the invaded ones will not retaliate in a proper manner because they have a "defensive army".
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>>60317635
>>60317635
>If there was one, you would all need to speak the same language.
English
>Who would be the leader?
Germany
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>>60317814
Yeah no way Germany would be the leader
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>>60317661
>>60317766

Play Fulda Gap.

>>60317814
Kind of what I was thinking, only because of your economic power, but France actually has a better military.
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>>60317732
you too.
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>>60317750
*cringes*
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>>60317766
yes i played defensive once, people couldnt get in my castle
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>>60317068
You should stop lying to yourself
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>>60317814
>Germany

You're below France and UK in military strength desu. And you don't have any nukes
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>>60317915
No. They surround you and fuck you up, this or they tear you apart internally.
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>>60317877
We created the US, so I don't complain about it devoting resources to protect us. We also got trident (paid for by the Americans haha).
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Why would you ever want to be involved in the clusterfuck that is the bundeswehr
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>>60317882
no i think jews wanted that lots of muslims and christians die on their soil, that maby one day all those corpses turn into oil.
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>>60317882

Dude in your most recent conflict you got blown the FUCK out by poor, ill equipped Russians who, in turn, got blown the fuck out by Germans. Modern turkey might as well be called Cuckey because you're that pathetic
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When will the anglos finally learn it's impossible to stop Germany from taking it's natural position in Europe?
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>>60317949
actually they didnt, i had huge walls and towers full off crossbowmen.2guys attacked me.
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>>60316236
No, I'm not a traitor.
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>>60318053
Ah, so you advocate that Finland should be Swedish?
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>>60317999
>Dude in your most recent conflict you got blown the FUCK out by poor, ill equipped Russians who, in turn, got blown the fuck out by Germans.
kurds are not russians bro.
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>>60316236
We arent Europeans so I am not interested in that potato EU army.
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>>60317449
AHAHAHAHAH

esprit de corps

We made it. Stay on your boats and islands. Coward.
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>>60317882
>battles 1000 years ago have any significance today
*cringes so hard my katana falls out of my sheath and impales me*
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>>60318068
haha for centuries finland was cucked by swedes, one day russians come a long and free finns, give them parlament and autonomy, finns still butthurt on ruskies

i think they love to serve
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>>60318068
>tfw the eternal hun ruined the unification of Scandinavia
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>>60317960

>We created the US

That's some top-tier damage control there George
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> The Commissioner will now integrate Czech soldiers in the German troops. The target: the EU army.
>""""""""""""EU""""""""""" army
>Mfw
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>>60318075

I'm talking about WW1 btw
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>>60318075
The kurdish language (and most of their identity) was constructed in the USSR to undermine the turks.
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>>60317960
If US had to choose between EU or UK it would be EU everytime
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>>60318068
(You)
swedes are shit people and bad posters
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>>60318181
You should be proud of such heritage.
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What kind of faggot would fight for a eastern european shithole?

eu can suck a dick
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>>60318243
Why would they choose between the two? This makes no strategic sense.
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>>60317999
we skinned greeks french and armenians without proper army in recent one.
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No.
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>>60316236
You can almost literally only trust us. History has pretty much, with some fucks here and there (minor or major) proven that.

With the USA across the sea in power, things are going very well.
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>>60318337
Because UK will be caliphate next year and Trump is not fond of it
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>>60318286
It's not like Denmark would have anything to contribute, besides hosting a vote to ban pork in the army mess.
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>>60316236
>dying for Brussels bureaucrat, rapefugees quotas, bananas and curved cucumbers regulations and subvention for useless overpriced projects
totally
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>>60318425
Denmark has an army
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>>60318447
I'm quite sure they have some sort of it.

The question is, can it fight? Because I highly doubt it.
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No. If war breaks out I'm moving to Iceland.
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>>60316236
No. Not for the current EU.
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>>60318376
>things are going very well.

Only because there is nobody that is even close to the America. And we never saw anyone else be in control in the modern time.

History has proven that first thing for US is profit
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>>60316236
>the EU army

Don't you guys speak different languages?

>pissing away even more of your sovereignty
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>>60316236
I wouldn't even face the chance of getting hurt by negligent practices from army officers during training for my country, let alone die for some place like Denmark or Estonia.
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>>60318497
They fought in Afghanistan
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>>60318437
still sounds better than 60% of European nation states desu
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>>60318536
Obviously the higher ups would speak english and then relay the orders in their native language
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>>60318590
>English
good cucks
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>>60318573
'''''''''''''''''''''''''army'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
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>>60318643
why the fuck do you autists have to call everyone cuck? English is European language taught in every country, its also extremely simple, its perfect for international european army
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>>60318643
Says someone posting from a country cucked by the English language.
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>>60318654
They spend a higher percentage on it than you at least
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>>60318757
i'll have you know i'm 100% pure british heritage
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Germany paid greatly for WW2 and learned from its past mistakes. Realizing it can never conquer all of Europe with brute force, it now seeks to sneakily bring them all under its control
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>>60318765
lol how is that achievement? Nordic country vs post communist eastern european one. Nobody gives a fuck about army here, we have 1 old USSR tank and 2 jets, everyone just goes to Legion anyways
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>>60318205
The american language (and most of their identity) was constructed in the USSR to undermine the turks

ps how do you know such secrets ? becarefull, i will put you now on the fsb list.
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>>60318720
english is germanic language, mix of greek, latin, spanish, french, etc
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>EU army
>not under British and French leadership

no thanks
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>>60318908
That's common knowledge. There is no FSB list, there is only a Rosinformmonitoring list.
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>>60318821
yes it is true, the 4th reich, i dont know why germans so obsessed with world domination, germany is like a retarded kid which got beaten up and he keeps on trying to fight,
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>>60317750
Miriam ist not germanic
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What does this mean in the light of a EU army?
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>>60318880
How is percent of GDP spent related to the prosperity of a country? A poorer country will still be spending less. And besides, Slovenes aren't exactly living badly compared to the other post commie shitholes
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>>60318090
>We arent Europeans
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>>60316774
This.

They're trying to rid the countries of their democracies.

A European army could also invade countries in the EU that are disobeying EU rules, like the refugee fining system.
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>>60319031
or this

(it's GFP though)
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>>60318995
>Rosinformmonitoring
it is part of fsb

good luck my friend.
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>>60319056
>Spain
>European
We arent and It is better. Stay with USA and We will be ok
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>>60319034
but im not Slovene
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>>60319071
This is not strictly true, although the two collaborate extensively.
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>>60319107
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>>60319034
>>60319070
Oh god
You're Slovakian, not Slovenian
I've gone full retard
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>>60317960
>We also got trident (paid for by the Americans haha).

What a stupid comment.

We lease missiles from the Americans, but we own our warheads.
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>EU Army
>"Cucks" kek
>Euros not comprehending EU Army has existed for 70 years.
Pic related
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>>60318532
I'm sorry the world is happy.
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Not one led by Germany.
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>>60319160
But... I already know.....murica
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>>60319180
Except its not
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>>60319144
The whole system was initially financed by them b/c the UK was broke back in the day
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>>60319192
No 'murica bout it, amigo. I wrote the tax checks for your EU army since my first day on the jerb.
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>>60319070
>France
>UK
Germany

Our top allies in Europe, literally in that order

kek
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>>60319181
why not?
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>>60319070

Don't take GFP seriously, that website is for stupid memetards.
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>>60319249
germany is a useless military ally though
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>>60316236
Fuck the EU
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>>60319181
The last times austrians led us into war we failed catastrophically. Maybe we should get shot this time?
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>>60319244
I dont defend that shitty "army". OTAN already exists to defend ourselves. it is stupid to create EuĀ“s army
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>serving for globalist kike brainchilds intent on the deconstruction of the nations your ancestors built and died for

yeah no
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>>60319192
You people need to learn, or perhaps open a history book that without us in power 1/6th of you would all be dead easily. Could we sit on our piles of money and shut out the world besides profiteering off broken continents? Yes.

But that ain't right. It ain't right.
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>>60319252
Because Germans aren't leaders. The only thing they are good at is work.
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>>60319335
who would kill us?
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>>60319371
Yourselves. I say again, open a history book, it repeats itself. Honestly now...
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>>60319342
And destroying Europe
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>>60319233

No it wasn't.

We had plans to buy Polaris, but instead agreed to buy into the Trident system.

>>60319249

It really isn't.

UK has far closer military ties with the US compared to France.
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>>60319279
austrians are germans numbnuts
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>>60319405
Only one who would be killing someone is Yugoslavia
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>>60319451
We are less German than your Anglo-Saxon ass.
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>>60319335
Not exercising power means losing power.
Prime example: Reluctance to deal with Syria lead to losing a lot of (subjective, the most important) power in that region.
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>>60317192
>dat OD moleskin
>those BFA's
>dat perfect ponytail
>dat 90's-stache
This picture is so fucking good.
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>>60319490
yes sure thing heinrich
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>>60319435
>far closer

Stretching that a bit much dude. Keep in mind the whole, "Revolutionary War". And the whole, "Operation Overlord" thing. We speak the same native language, and that brings quite a bit to the table. But as relations go, the difference is not as large as you might think. That's all I'm saying.
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>>60319435
Sorry rather we

*bought into Polaris, but then upgraded to Trident.
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>>60319490
<3

join /v4/ embrace your vendish heritage
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>willingly fighting for some cuck nation/union that won't even defend itself against immigrants

yeah m8s go die in some mussie shithole while abdul is busy stealing your womens and tax money
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>>60319547
Incorrect. Overexercising power leads to a world-wide underlying fear.

I will say a third time, read a history book. Fear is powerful as God is, yet it is short-lived.

Soft power is the future.
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>>60319334
/thread
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>>60319649
>Fear is powerful as God
So powerless?
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>>60316236
>Fight a world war to save europe from the Germans
>Fight another world war to save europe from the Germans
>70 years later, the Germans rule over Europe

HOLY SHIT JUST FUCK OFF YOU GERMAN RATS
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>>60319649
All in moderation.
But the dollar is literally military-backed.
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>>60319490
you are austrian in the way a westfalian is westfalian and you are german in the way a westfalian is german
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>>60319576

Honestly, after the NSA leaks I find it comical that people don't realise the extent of co-operation between the UK and US.

I'd love to link dump you, but I'm posting from mobile. Seriously, bother doing some actual research before having an opinion.
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>>60319715
US military is at least, attempted to be moderated - or at least I must believe it. And yes, it's utterly backed by "do what I say or I'll make you do it because apparently the great equalizer is death"

>protip getting drunk senpai, muh bad if I'm getting belligerent
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>>60319787
It's called the 5 eyes, yes. The main Brit power is intelligence. Please stop being a little faggot even though this is 4chan I think we're having an interesting discussion.
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>>60319695
Nah, in WW1 you fought to support the Russians and the 1900s version of the Taliban, the Serbs.

We were in the process of turning the biggest Empire in Europa into a federal state a hundred years ago.

You killed progress, threw back Europa, enabled the Nazis, the Commies, terrorism and the so called refugee crisis.
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>>60319816
What are you drinking
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>>60319878
Bacardi and coke. I'm a poor and muh rich as fuck buddy bought me 1.75L last night. It's a good time, gonna play some Overwatch with some friends come 8:00pm here.
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>>60319622
anyone who knows whats going on would take a stand if it werent for supranational lawmaking.

also nice flag
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>>60316236
oh fuck off
a merger of the Bundeswehr and the Dutch armed forces is just twelve guys pretending broomsticks are guns in a field
try again when something important happens
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>>60319872

no u r the fegut

Two things I can say off the bat.

1. Only tier 1 partner in the F35 project
2. Only other nation that is a part of the US's nuclear second strike capability
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>>60317103
Germany?
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>>60318162
Pretty much
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>>60319732
There are so many differences.

Because we are talking about the military here, lets start with the standard rifle of the army.

Because ours is accurate, yours has been off for 20 years with nobody noticing.

Probably because your army isn't allowed to shoot people, that would make them Nazis.
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>>60318376
>With the USA across the sea in power, things are going very well.

If this is "pretty well" I'd hate to see worse.
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>>60320154
>his country has a green president

Literally can not fabricate.
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>>60320154
I've had a friend that was in the Austrian Bundesheer, they weren't even allowed to lift their feet above a certain height when marching to avoid looking like they are goosestepping to the press.
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>>60318376
>Genocide the Europeans
>All goes well
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>>60319249
>allies
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>>60316236
Join? Hell no, I have an education.
Support, depends. No for the undemocratic, retarded piece of shit the EU is today, yes for a real european army.
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>>60320187
hey, no major wars in a long time
Sounds pretty ok to me.

>>60319961
enjoy your evening americanon
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>>60320203
By 30,000 votes difference, which were probably manipulated.

Also only 30,000, when every other party, all the media and even the church warned of the big bad Nazi cripple.

They even swapped the chancellor for that.
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>>60319426
>eternal Teuton strikes again
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>>60319649
>Overexercising power leads to a world-wide underlying fear.

We pretty much didnu nuffin in Syria

Now 500,000 are dead and ISIS controls half of it
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>>60317814
Wew even poland have better military than you
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>>60320256
oh good, even the German right wing supports globalist horseshit.
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>>60320298
There were no major wars 1814-1914
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>>60320362
master fisherman detected
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>>60320362
I don't know about all that my fellow American.
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>>60320311
>this damage control
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>>60316236
I will never fight for Germany. It is a nation that will never stop trying to destroy Europe, one way or another
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we must found an european army to fight the united american states of islam. they are the biggest threat to human existence. their muslim president is responsible for the european refugee crisis.

Hail Putin!
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>>60318243
Lel no. The U.K. is post of the five eyes
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>>60316236
I would join a European army after someone pulls the weeds.

Let's face it, Europe won't be relevant until we at least have a substantial amount of people at our disposal

I'd also be more supportive of it when only the 'actual' European countries would form the block. So NL, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, France, and UK. Switzerland can join but they won't. Denmark and Scandinavia are a maybe.
We can use the rest as satellite states. Eastern Europe is only in the EU for the EU monies anyways.
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>>60320298
Thanks breh.
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>>60316236
jesus christ, why are women allowed in the military.

What a joke.
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>>60320401
Nuclear weapons have changed the dynamics of war mi familia.

There was no major war 1814-1914.
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>>60320736
Okay retard
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>>60320736
What would you call the Crimean War? or the Russo-Japanese War? Boer War?
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>>60320736
>There was no major war 1814-1914.
MURRICA, FUCK YEAH!
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>>60320762
(You)

>>60320825
Not major wars.

Napoleonic, 7 years war, 100 years war, 30 years war, war of spanish succession, Taiping rebellion, three kingdoms, dungzar war, WW1, WW2, DRC war, and Iraq-Iran were all vastly more casualties and nations than any war 1814-1914.
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>>60320856
Was there a war with more casualties and nations than any of these 1814-1914? Look here>>60320884

Instead of shitposting, provide an answer... if you can.
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>>60320884
>>60320920

Taiping revolution 40 million casualties
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>Fighting NATO allies
Lol
An EU army would be for internal duty, oppressing the people and keeping the wogs in line
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>>60320982
>war
>nations
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>>60321108
>what is Turkey-Greece
>what is Iceland-UK
>Canada-France
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>>60321178
He just said that a major war is one that has similar casualties to the ones he named.
Taiping happened in 1850.
Is Shaka's conquests (2 million casualties) more agreeable to you?
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>>60320982
He specified between nations anon.

That's a rebellion. Not a war.
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>>60319622
Easy way to kill off excess whites
USA did this with blacks in Vietnam
Then only the upper class and a massive underclass of subservient wogs
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>>60321283
British Empire, Qi dynasty, France, and Taiping were the involved parties.
Not really what you'd call 'just a rebellion'.
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>>60321271
No I stated
>were all vastly more casualties and nations than any war 1814-1914.

The Taiping rebellion is not a major war since practically no other nations got involved.

Also, almost all the deaths were because of the economy collapsing. Might as well call the Holomodor a war.
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>>60321342
B-but you also named the Taiping rebellion in your examples
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>>60321198
NATO members
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>>60321318
It's literally just a rebellion.

Britain and France never got involved in any significant way. It was only arms support.

Also, three nations is nothing compared to the wars I listed. All of those were 5+ and usually 20+.
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Ya'll need a coast and border guard first.
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>>60316236
>tfw Europe tries to invade Russia for the fourth time
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>>60321394
>a mistake in a post negates the overall point

I could have listed David Robinson and George Washington and my point would still be accurate.

Also, you in no way negated my point by using the Taiping rebellion. I listed it. Therefore you need to find a war either worse than that and with more nations 1814-1914.
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>>60321514
But it's 1850

Also I already named Shaka's conquests
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>>60321572
It's not fulfilling this request
>were all vastly more casualties and nations than any war 1814-1914.
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>>60321304
>excess whites
We canĀ“t even substain our populations m8
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>>60321572
The Taiping Rebellion was a rebellion. Not a major war.

Shaka's conquests were in Africa, and were fewer deaths.
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>>60321468

Fucking Yuros seem to be incapable of learning. There must be really something wrong with these nuts.
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>>60320920
Crimean war cost the lives of over 300,000 people and involved Italy, the Russian Empire, Britain, France, and the Ottoman empire.

The Taiping Rebellion cost 30 million casualties.

The Russo-Japanese war cost the lives of 100,000 people.

The Mfecane cost the lives of over 1 million africans,

Java War cost around 250,000 lives mostly civilians.

Caralist wars involved Western Europe and cost 100,000 thousand lives

Austro-Prussian war cost 100,000 lives

Franco-Prussian war cost the lives of around 300,000

Russo-Turkish war cost around 100,000 lives

Boxer Rebellion cost around 100,000 lives.

Mexican Revolution (which began in 1910) cost around 1.5 million

The First Balkans war cost around 500,000 dead or wounded

The Second Balkans war was around 150,000 dead or wounded.

Paraguayan war cost about 1.2 million lives, but cost Paraguay about 70% of its population.

Circassian war led to about half a million killed

Panthay Rebellion cost around one million

>>60320884
No I wasn't the one who called you a retard.

>>60321636
See but you just said in your original post that there were no MAJOR wars. But there were.
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>>60321636
ok so accordingly to your very narrow definition of major wars neither are major wars.

Luckily the Napoleon wars didn't end until 1815 and therefore technically count.
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>>60318997
well we almost got them twice, if hitler wasnt a fuckwit and did not invade russia
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>>60318510
This, i'm sure Iceland has some datacenters for me to work at.
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>>60321743
Most of these statistics are considered exaggerated.

And you still haven't fulfilled my request here
>were all vastly more casualties and nations than any war 1814-1914.

Almost all the major wars I listed had more deaths, and in the case of the Taiping rebellion, had far fewer nations involved than any of the wars or rebellions you have listed.

>But there were.

Which? Were there any outweighing the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-1988 in casualties and number of nations involved?
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>>60316236
Fucking hell, Germany doing it again?
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>>60321781
>neither are major wars.

What? How are major wars not major wars?

>Napoleonic wars didn't end until 1815.

Oh wow you got me! I was a year off! Then 1815-1914. Great fucking post Netherlands!
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>>60322152
>Tfw this whole string of posts started with me meaning no war involving the Netherlands, which is the only thing that matters to me as a reason for the no-war union

Please reconcile
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>>60322066
>Most of these statistics are considered exaggerated.
if you're going to make such ridiculous claims in your far-fetched autistic theory that "no major wars happened during 1814-1914", at least provide some fucking sources instead of just pulling statements out of your ass
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>>60322066
Iran-Iraq by your definition wasn't a major war because it only involved Iran and Iraq. And while the Paraguayan war cost about the same amount of military and civilian casualties if we are to go with the hightest estimates for both wars, it did so without advanced artillery and aircraft.

The DRC war is akin to that of the Taiping rebellion considering that the mass amounts of casualties were civilian caused by disease or starvation.

In regards to the Iran-Iraq war I think the first Balkans war involved more nations and more soldiers died. I would say that the Mexican Revolution involved more nations, and more people died. I also think that the Crimean war should be considered a major war, since it did involve most European powers and cost many lives. As with the Franco-Prussian wars.

I fail to see why any of this matters though. Like, if you're trying to make a point that the US fucked up the world, then why is it that the last major European war was World War 2? Sure, African and Asian countries have gotten rowdy, but none of those have involved a lot of nations, so are therefore by your definition, not major wars.
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Nah. Why should i fight for the USA? I would join the Russian army to fight USA.
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>>60316236

>gross
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