>tfw communism is becoming popular among young americans
Are young people in your country looking to socialism/communism? I always find it funny that almost nobody over the age of 40 defends it.
>>60164121
>free healthcare and education
>communism
This cold war meme has to stop.
>>60164121
Maybe you should leave your house once in a while.
You've lost grip with reality, and you're not very intelligent in the first place.
>>60164200
He said socialism/communism, dumbshit. Just looking at your country should immediately make people hate socialism.
>>60164121
In my country it's other way around, only old people (>50 y.o.) follow communist or socialist ideology while the younger generation either hates communism or just doesn't care about it. I don't know anyone younger than 30 who unironically supports the commies.
>>60164121
>communism
>popular among young americans
I think you need to get off the internet for a bit
>tfw your country gets more violent as gibsdat increases
>Tfw dindu in my cunt will kill socialist hippies for me
>>60164121
I'd like to switch with them. I live in small closed city so they definitely will learn a lil bit about queues with free ee medicine and empty shops.
Why such exchange program not developed yet?
>>60164121
>Are young people in your country looking to socialism/communism?
No. Aside from some vocal crackpots cunts, everyone seems to be either a libertarian or a nationalist.
>>60164545
Because Americans still think that the evil Ruskies are fighting a Cold War against us
>>60164121
Pure market is when fat rich anglojews are destroying secular arabian states for cheap oil and the world get islamists.
I hate USSR for some reasons (polephobia), but like it for some reasons (it's still better than Russian Empire).
>>60164553
>libertarian
left "libertarians" are not libertarians
>Born in a communist 3rd world shithole.
>Come to America to get away from it.
>More and more young people are finding it desirable (thanks to colleges and universities).
Why are white people like this? Why support something with such a negative history you've never experienced first-hand?
>>60164634
What gommie shithole did you come from?
>>60164627
Yeah, I'm not interested in talking to you.
I'm a communist. Member of the communist party of Finland.
Debate me.
>>60164121
The kind of leftism that panders to women is pretty popular here
You know the kind
>"You as a women are perfect even if you are fat and smell bad, you are the savior of minorities and muslims, the only bad people are the oppressing stupid capitalist white men who have coodies, but you can save them as well by teaching them the joys of feminism"
It's hardly communism though, as Stalin would have had a field day with these sad little individuals
>>60164121
Both are stupid, both are victims of infosphere of their growing time.
Those who over 40 are against it are against not because they know anything.
>>60164634
Pure market is a shit for faggots.
I hate commies but only because they occupied Wilno and Lwów and murder poles (I may be polish).
But socialism itself is the only one true way.
In economical sense, of course. Cultural lefties are bioscum.
>>60164627
But they are anon.
Communism will win
>>60164634
I'm not white and I support communism, kinda. I need to do more research but I think it might not be such a bad idea
>>60164715
how will you make cofe without cofe making companies? and how will people buy it without money?
>>60164709
lmao fuck off newfag
>>60164715
Why haven't you overthrown the capitalist pigs yet
>>60164764
Yeah, it's a great idea. Just ask the hundreds of millions of people who are dead because of it.
>>60164761
No they're fucking not. Libertarians are closely related to classic liberals. They are inherently right wing.
>>60164715
Which gun is the best for killing capitalist scum?
Shit is top kek tier in here
>everyone hates communism because Russia and USSR bad times
>still lots of people feel dissatisfied with the outcome of the fall of USSR because they expected to get rich and live American dream suddenly when the iron curtain falls - they believe the post-communist stole the money and that's why the country is poor
>some want socialism back because everything basic was given for free by the state no matter how stupid loser you were
>even still, those stupid losers are mostly catholic and Catholics must be enemies of communism, John Paul II Solidarnosc fredoom warriors and stuff
>so current ruling party declares to fight the remnants of communism and smite EU leftards which are supposed hidden communist agenda anyway
>the only liberal leftists in here are high-middel class kids from to universities and rich parents that are actually disgusted by anyone and anything from working class or low social areas. They are leftist because it's "European" and "trendy" they mostly do SJW and LGBT shit not dwelling into real social matters concerning majorities, nobody treats them seriously.
>ruling party despite announcing themselves anti-communist go turbo-socialism the moment they are elected and give many for free for bought voters beating Norway or Canada style welfare.
>post commie catholics are happy because it's like good commie times but this time catholic - JP would be proud
>leftist hipsters fight the pseudo-communist catholic gov for being undemocratic and unsocialist because it disregards SJW matters and give money to catholic mobs
>>60164829
Well, I can't ask any dead people, but if Marx were still alive I'm sure I'd be able to get more information.
>>60164764
The thing is that most people either don't understand it and are just spewing Cold War propaganda, or else they do understand it but they automatically shoot down any attempt to understand and fix the issues that the USSR or other commie states had.
>>60164764
>Communism death toll: 200 million
>Capitalism death toll: Literally none LOL
>>60164691
Cuba. I understand the hate Cubans have for Communists in Miami (I don't live in Miami btw...there is only so much Cubanness I can take). What I don't understand is the hate those cucks have for their country. Motherfuckers are always wishing it would sink to the bottom of the sea. I digress. If you're a youth who experienced it first-hand then you won't want it.
>>60164121
Would exchange living places with those people tbhq they could experience what communism "gave" us first hand ;)
>>60164885
^ this
>>60164879
Pamiętuj co Piłsudski był socialistem. Da, komunisty byli wrogmi polaków i to jest fakt, ale to nie znaczy co trzeba iść w pure market.
>>60164886
>>Capitalism death toll: Literally none LOL
This is so factually incorrect I don't even know where to begin... literally half of the population of the Democratic Republic of the Congo was murdered in order to suck it dry from profits for extracting rubber. Several other instances of purely capital motivated genocides.
>>60164764
>I need to do more research
Read up on the economic calculation problem before anything else.
>>60164919
Your cunt and language exist only because commies was so anti-polish faggots so prefered to save you than Great Poland.
>>60164859
Economic freedom is guaranteed by right libertarians because they believe it to be the path to greater personal freedom. Left libertarians simply contend the opposite. There is no contradiction here m80.
Marxists took control of our education systems long ago.
Almost everyone that comes out of Canadian University comes out a communist
>>60164993
>Laissez faire capitalism is the exact same as European imperialism
Ok fampai
>>60165021
"""""freedom""""" when jews had occupied the market
lol
seirously anglo Canada shouldn't exist, only french
>>60164634
I don't get it. We have a shit ton of Laotian and Vietnamese immigrants because their quality of life ended up going to shit; so they moved here to escape it.
I get that it can have good intentions, but you can't find too many communist regimes that were "properly implemented" without a shit ton of bloodshed.
>>60165014
Fuck off pole
>>60165021
There is a contradiction here as limiting economic freedoms is per definition less free than not doing it. Socialists (and the many derivatives thereof) deal with freedom aggregates and readily ignore negative rights, not libertarians.
>>60165072
>Communism is the exact same as centrally planned state socialism
I can play this game too you know
>>60165130
It's not and I wasn't contending that it was
Impressive strawman
>>60165154
but... you were. :o)
>>60165195
I never said socialism you fucking retard
lrn 2 reed
>>60164121
>Are young people in your country looking to socialism/communism?
Ireland was founded by commies but the normies had to undo all the great things they did because of muh pope.
>>60164829
>Hundreds of millions
The numbers increase every day
Officially everyone hates communism, but i'm observing that many people (mainly from older generations) still have the communist mindset and they thing that the state should be in charge of everything and all private companies are secretly plotting against Poland.
>>60164966
Lepiej nie wypowiadaj się na tematy o których nie masz żadnej wiedzy.
I find it funny that people are worried about communism, when the world run by capitalism right now is plagued with extreme poverty and violence, accumulating environmental crises and cyclical economic crashes.
>>60165119
Not really, because laissez fair economics inevitable distribute wealth upwards, resulting not only in a concentration of political power in the hands of a minority, but impoverishes the rest of society, thereby making them less free.
>>60165130
Because all communism is authoritarian centralized state socialism right anon? If you don't include victims of European imperialist capitalism as victims of capitalism then you can include victims of the holodomor as victims of socialism.
>>60165744
Capitalists would argue that the rates of poverty have been decreasing worldwide quite consistently.
>>60165744
Under capitalism though we've been the best off in centuries. The innovation and advances in technology and medicine due to competition have made us significantly better off.
There absolutely has been some exploitation, but even people in those exploited countries have more access to things due to capitalism.
>>60165762
That's not an argument, it's pure conjecture and it's tacitly utilizing the idea of there being a "freedom aggregate", which, as I mentioned, is not something libertarians do. Libertarians are preoccupied with negative freedoms, not positive ones and not aggregates.
>>60165855
But thats's not because of capitalism, we just stopped killing ourselves in wars on a daily basis, the medieval mindset faded off
>>60165238
>not understanding what words mean
what I thought 2bh
>>60165744
The poverty rates right now are the lowest in history thanks to capitalism.
>>60165762
>there is only a limited amount of wealth in the world so in order for you to be rich, someone else has to be poor
You fell for the meme. Wealth isn't static
>>60166034
Capitalists would argue that there are less wars now because economies are dependent on each other and war is bad for business.
>>60166080
>being this much of a memelord
>>60166121
That's bullshit tho, war is great for business. Capitalists love that shit http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
>>60164121
You always find that almost nobody over the age of 40 defends it because of the cold war and the whole us vs. them narrative of it. Honestly, socialism, or as you would find in this century, corporatism, is the best model for the majority of people.
In the polls the biggest party is Wilders (right wing conservative / anti-Muslim party).
The second party is the VVD (right wing liberals / business lobby)
The third party is the CDA (center right wing Christians / farmer and missionary lobby)
Feels good mang.
>>60164121
Murican against socialism when you have to pay for education, healthcare, and other stuff that free in Europe. Smart decision.
>>60166299
Americans are largely very attached to being exploited by health insurance companies, hospitals, drug companies, etc. and will vehemently defend their right to be robbed.
It's rather amazing how things have gotten this way.
>>60166445
It's rather amazing how much of an edgy faggot you can be
>>60166475
It's okay. It's normal to enjoy being fucked in the ass.
>>60166170
global trade in WWII slowed to a near halt; wartime is SHIT for international businesses if your ships are getting blown up by u-boats or stuck in front of a blockade
Postwar environments are great for businesses, but not during wars
>>60166498
I wouldn't know, I'm not Euroscum
>>60166170
War is great for AMERICAN business. Not so much on a global scale.
>>60166299
Nothing is free, because you have to pay for it with your taxes. And the quality of the public hospitals and schools is almost always lower than the private ones.
>>60164859
>libertarians are closely related to classic liberals
you're memeing here svergiebro. Libertarians took a selection of various thoughts made by classical economists whilst ignoring the rest of the conclusions they reached, making a frankenstein of an ideology. Libertarians often overlook the fact that adam smith said the division of labor made people stupid, and that early economics was called the dismal science because of the implications of capitalism.
>>60166475
Caring about how much of my money pads corporation margins vs actually paying for healthcare I'm getting is now "edgy" to americans. Neat.
>>60166641
in other words, left libertarianism is what was originally argued by people like Ricardo, Malthus, etc.
Karl Marx was more of a classical economist than Milton Friedman was.
>>60166532
Considering the American education system you might indeed not know that you are being fucked in the ass.
>>60164470
You're full of shit. I went to a college in Texas and it was filled with commies.
I don't mean free education or healthcare either, I mean full fledged self proclaimed commie retards
>>60166696
>Americans are very attached to being exploited and being railed by corporations
I'm attached to my personal choices and I don't appreciate it when fucks like you tell me what I have to do
>>60166733
>>60166807
I saw a documentary about the American health care and welfare system on Russia Today, which is of course filled with anti-American propaganda. But it is an interesting perspective from time to time considering we only get pro-west propaganda in the Netherlands.
And they were talking about how right wing lobbies in America convinced Americans welfare was bad by giving the impression only lazy niggers would use it.
And while white Americans themselves needed it just as much the whole idea of niggers enjoying welfare made them against the idea.
Is that true?
>>60167029
There's definitely a large stigma against welfare amongst conservatives. Anybody with right-leaning beliefs generally believes that most that are on welfare are skating and mooching off of the taxpayers' money and that the wholes system either needs scrapped or needs drastic reform. I'm not really too educated on the specific issue to have an actual belief on it though.
>>60166807
yet you are yet to vote in a congress that isn't corrupt, and have as a country resorted to litigation instead of legislation to enact public change. If allowing for a dysfunctional government is one of the personal choices you take pride in, then you're pathologically stupid.
>He doesn't support a limited government
>>60167211
In the Netherlands people consider people on welfare leeches as well. But also consider it a necessity because it's considered shameful as a society to let people live below the poverty line or deny someone necessary health care.
So politicians always have to walk a fine line between those two thoughts. But politicians being politicians they always fuck up and swing between denying people health care and allowing the wrong people to get too much welfare.
>>60167029
This is why right wing politicians often campaign on reducing or removing social "safety nets", "handouts", etc. There are large swaths of Americans who, quite innocently and genuinely don't see the problems that the poor and many african american communities face, because they do not live in those burdened places. In addition, they've been sold on the idea that those less well off than themselves are taking resources away, taking money from their pockets for no good reason, just handouts for the lazy.
Social and geographic isolation has a way of closing the mind.
>>60166807
Your "personal choices" here are just how money is taken from you to keep you healthy in the most basic sense. It does not benefit any individual citizen to be overly attached to one way of doing things, yet, you find yourself in exactly that trap. It should alarm you that you have such hostility to new ideas, possibly better systems of figuring out how the country can take care of everyone.
>>60164791
Buy direct from farmers in Africa and South America
>>60164810
We have but they came back. They'll be gone soon again
>>60164861
AK47
>>60167957
what are the best gommunist-sanctioned pepes
>>60164305
Funny thing, I was at work earlier today and these two guys were talking about how good socialism would be and using France as an example for it. They said that in France, around August or so everything is closed for like a month as people just have vacations then and it's all paid for by the government. Or something to that effect.
Born in 1989 in Yugoslavia, left in 1994.
I feel that the US is still paranoid about socialism and it's kinda biting them in the ass. I mean, it's the current year and I'm still paying off a surgery I had in 2012. However, like, Soviet and Yugoslavian socialism is shit as it doesn't take nationalities into account. I think a more Sweden-like economy with Hungarian-like immigration laws would be ideal.
Daily reminder that in Finland communists are actually working people and the liberal left are hipster students
>>60168887
Socialism, taken very broadly, can be increased over time as developed countries can afford to take more care of their populations. But that growth is due to capitalism being the primary ideology in the first place, and socialism as a primary ideology is a scary thing indeed, I don't see how the US could be too afraid of it.
Countries like Sweden do it better but they are still, if you research them, rather depressing countries. Surveys supposedly say everyone is happier in Sweden than Europe on average, but they also take more anti-depression meds than on avg. (contradiction), and have other things going for them that allow society to be happier, such as a homogenous population.
Don't fall for the socialist meme, and research more.
>>60170018
That's due to weather and genetics though.
The Nordic HDI is in the top 15, only Finland isn't in the top 10.
young people are socialists until they have to pay taxes
>>60170018
>homogenous population
>Sweden
I can confirm that the anti-depressants and alcohol are due to the weather
>>60170373
Only Norway and Denmark are in the top 10.
Usually we have, if a person is younger 30, it is more communist than the old man. Old people usually admire the Soviet Union, forgetting about the idea of communism.
You, incidentally, also did not know what communism is.
>>60170487
(not him)
sweden is also suffering heavily from their immigration failures, foreign born people make up over half of their unemployed
I'd say people are moving from socialism to liberalism
>people who pay zero taxes and live off of government grants/loans want more free shit
get back to me in 10 years when they have a job
>>60170611
already happened to your country in the 80s/90s, ironically sweden is used as the posterboy for """socialism""" but your country's welfare system used to be much more extensive
it was also a disastrous failure
>>60164200
>""""""free"""""" healthcare and education
This meme has to stop.
>>60170657
>it was also a disastrous failure
No it wasn't. It worked for a while and as times went on and the economy changed the government adapted
>>60170557
wtf, sauce pls
cant be real
>>60170840
http://www.thelocal.se/20151209/six-in-ten-foreign-residents-will-be-jobless-by-2017
>>60170838
You realize there was a point in time that Sweden was not only the wealthiest European country but wealthiest by a massive margin, right?
Sweden's deficit exceeded 20% of their GDP in 1994, spending was out of control and GDP was falling.
>>60170995
And when the economy got worse the government had spend less and our social standard got lowered. I don't get your point
>>60164121
Our youth, and myself among it, play the condescending know-it-all totally unbiased bystander, trying to reconcile and collect opinions from different ideologies and political options in general. Everyone here loves the socialists' "affordable healthcare/workers first/generous maternity leave" blabla, liberal money making ("let's be the next liberal economic success story, like Taiwan and South Korea!") with a dash of protectionism of course ("much strategic resources, much water/farmers/roads" and so on), Russian balls to the wall diplomacy ("determination, we mustn't be meek followers)...
All mixed and mashed with patriotism, some with more patriotism, some with less
The underlying opinion of all Croats is: "we're not eastern, we are Europeans, we are Croats, not "Yugos" so stop bunching us with them and we don't like anything political that comes with the red colour"
>>60170995
wtf i hate sweden now
>>60171203
The economy got worse because you taxed everything that moved to pay for your welfare programs.
Look at the tobin tax on the stockholm exchange, it produced less than _4%_ of the expected tax revenue. It was a complete and total disaster. Over 50% of the trading share ended up moving to London, which caused a net loss in capital gains taxes and the currency exchange tax ended up losing Sweden taxdollars.
>During the first week of the tax, the volume of bond trading fell by 85%, even though the tax rate on five-year bonds was only 0.003%. The volume of futures trading fell by 98% and the options trading market disappeared
