Should Germany pay Poland reparations for World War 2?
>>60111931
Germany should pay Europe reparations for what happen nowadays.
>>60111931
No, but Germany should get at least Schlesien amd Pommern back. They can keep Prussia. And Poland should get their former eastern territory back. Everyone would be happy then.
>>60112085
what happens to the people who live in Schlesien, Pommern and Russian territories of Poalnd?
>>60112085
>Caring about some small piece of land
please, it's almost 2017
>>60112191
I guess they enjoy their now much higher quality of living.
Yes gib money and make new Gothic game pls.
Or maybe not because G3 and 4 were fucking horrible.
>>60112191
They just have to learn one more language.
>>60112201
I think Poland will only get bigger after this trade.
Poland should give back rightful german clay.
>>60112279
witcher 3 was rather dissapointing, aswell
>>60112300
Bigger shithole full of cyrylic postsoviet monkeys. No thanks, agriculture is no longer on the first place of our economy.
>>60112263
>>60112300
I would rather not have a big minority in my country that doesnt even speak my language
>>60112430
I'd rather not have to save money for 15 years at average wage to buy a 40m^2 flat.
Germany is already paying via EU. What is really a pressing matter is that Russia rejects to pay us reparations.
>>60112620
>russia
>being able to afford anything
Reparations dont make any sense, they are all illogical. If you cant take it, it's not yours.
Poland should wait 10 or 20 years for Germany to turn into Turkmanystan and just take whatever reparations it wants lmao.
There was actually a plan to give a large part of Germany to the Netherlands, but the US pressured us out of it using the Marshall help as leverage.
>>60112645
We can accept payment in oil, gold and gas 2bh
>>60112620
THey don't pay shit, every country had the same money when they joined EU. See Portugal or Spain.
>>60112620
I hope you are joking
EU contributions are not reparations, but a neighbourly help to enable Poland to get back on its feet. Eventually, you are expected to become net contributor in EU
>>60112689
wtf? I hate the US now!
>>60111975
First post best post
Fuck off lazy fucking worthless satellite country
Germany and EU payed hundreds of billions of Euro since WW2to Poland.Polands whole infrastructure is build by germans, fucking untermenschen.
http://msp.gov.pl/en/polish-economy/economic-news/4015,dok.html
>>60112620
>he thinks germany doesn't make massive profit from EU
yes, I bet they are just that generous
>>60112689
>>60112732
I think Netherlands should have gotten the whole Germany + Austria
>>60112732
Really makes you think...
>>60112751
>>60112858
>>60112373
Don't know my PC was too shit to run it. Pay reparations Hans. Pay for my new PC.
>>60112946
give me back my car first, you thief
>>60113011
I already sold it. Prepare your TV and computer. I'm coming for them.
>>60111931
Yes. To all countries that got invaded.
Epigenetics m8, my grandfather was in a soldier-of-war camp and my ptsd still hurts. I need delicious neumarken.
>>60113011
It's part of the reparations Germany owes
In the long run the revenue from Auschwitz tourism will probably cover the damage. I guess the new cities in the West are also more interesting to tourists than the lost cities in the East
>>60112620
wtf
it's actually poland must pay reparations
being nazi's allie and get danzig FOR FREE without fighting (well, you fought with jews as well)... such a lucky nation, papa stalin definitely loved poles
>>60112085
>Germany
>getting anything back
>after what they did
Anton jr. pls
>>60111931
only if I get a slice aswell
like 100k euros
>>60112675
>Turkmanystan
I like it :^)
Reparations were Prussia.
>>60112807
You even occupied some of that territory. Then gave it back in the 60's but kept like some tiny hill. Don't you know your own history?
>>60111931
Germany and Poland should unite. Without genocide bullshit preferably.
>>60113137
>being nazi's allie and get danzig FOR FREE without fighting (well, you fought with jews as well)... such a lucky nation, papa stalin definitely loved poles
>>60113221
You just looked that up on wikipedia you autist, of course I know my history
>>60113234
Lmao they hate us you dumb cuckfucking fucker.
>>60113361
And we hate them.
>>60113403
good
I'll be backing you up from behind, in their backs
>>60113710
t. w*lloon
>>60113796
nope flemish
why do you think only walloons hate krauts?
No - Poland needs to return Prussia to Germany
>>60114135
All country or nuffin!
>>60111975
>mfw they're already doing it
>>60114135
why?
First of all the Russians offered East Prussia back and they declined the offer
Second, after what they did, why should Poland give them anything? Germany deserves everything that came to them after WW II.
>>60114290
>First of all the Russians offered East Prussia back and they declined the offer
PROOFS
>>60112689
Let's fix that mistake.
>>60112085
Spain and Austria should get Netherlands back.
>>60114381
Yeltsin just after the fall of the USSR
google it
>>60114776
You're claiming a statement, so the burden of proofs doesn't lie with me, but with you, my friend
P.S. Yeltsin started the war in Chechenia to prevent it's independent, so you're statement looks like a lie.
>>60112721
>poland
>expected to become net contributor in EU
>>60111931
why should german give shit to poland when they have the entire EU which hitler had dreamt for so long more than half a century ago?
>>60112552
nobody forces you to live in downtown Munich. There's plenty of affordable places here.
>this poleboo chechen in sweden
>>60114997
I thought it was commonly known. YEltsin offered Germany to buy East Prussia (Kaliningrad) but the Germans declined out of political reasons, remember they were just re-united and that issue was already controversial enough.
It is for example mentioned here:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/jul/31/kalingrad-kant-home-return-german
They needed money and fast, Yeltsin was selling everything, Russia almost got split into 5 parts (that was an idea at one time).
It would be a move as stupid as the sale of Alaska back in the days. Kaliningrad/Konigsberg/Krolewiec is of strategical importance (sea access)
>>60114997
Chechnia was de facto independent. The islamists wanted a muslim republic with sharia law. They caused the mess they got afterwards.
(and pls leave the chinese drawings)
>>60115855
Fuck, germs are so stupid, Lithuania and Poland could have gotten rid of russian neighbourship.
>>60115930
Those fucking islamists only got political power because russians killed almost all secular Chechen rulers in First Chechen War. They killed Dzhohar Dudayev, who even didn't know that Chechens pray 5 times per day, (he thought that they pray 3 times, like in Iran, lel). This shows how much he gave a fuck about religion, he was actually an atheist, the soviet air force general
>>60115930
> and pls leave the chinese drawings
You make me:3
>>60112759
I think we would become an empire then. And after our conquests we would wnd up just like you. (Losing a lot of territory)
>>60114732
I would agree with Austria, but not with Spain. I don't want to be ruled by filthy Bourbons. Period of Valois and Karolingians, best periods of my life.
>>60116367
you dont know how it was back then. France and England were already scared of a reunited Germany.
Had we got back eastern Prussia aswell, they would have shat themselfs
>>60111931
You reminded me that my grandpa had a some sort of monthly benefit from germany for buchenwald and he always sent them to me. He was a great man, maybe the only one in my family who did not was angry as fuck.
>>60116367
How islamist are modern Chechens exactly?
I've heard ISIS members boast that 8/10 Chechens swore allegiance to ISIS.
>>60118196
>Period of Valois and Karolingians, best periods of my life.
this
and the Bourgondian Empire days not to forget
>>60118337
It was Britain that funded Prussia, it was Britain that saved Germany from getting partitioned after WW1.
>>60120426
Some ancestors of mine were marquis/seigneur under the rule of the Valois. When the Bourbon took the power they had to leave the country.
>>60120703
If it is paternal line and in one line, you could reclaim the title. At least in Belgium that is possible.
>>60113011
Here we go again...
>>60121025
It is. But my surname is Dutchified. So I don't know if that matters. And there are probably 50 people who share the same surname. At least I can try it
>>60121025
And they have lost their dinancy after the Late middle ages. So perhaps I have to prove it with DNA someway
>>60121141
No it doesn't matter, you have to provide the family tree and pay a fee for the conforming research, somewhere between 500 and 1000 euros.
There are people here who have done that. Jean Breydel reclaimed his knightly title and is now again ridder/chevalier Breydel de Groeninghe.
Everything above baron is hereditary anyway. The right to the use of the particule (van, de) is in both languages. Or you can even decide to keep the dutchified name but you'll receive an official title, and you will be invited to the yearly meetings of nobles.
Of course you will need Belgian nationality first, but that should be easy.
Polish and Russian noble families have done this to keep their title after having to flee communism.
Not many people are in your situation, you should consider it, one should always honour his heritage.
>>60121749
>conforming research,
* confirming research
typo
Do you already have a complete family tree going back to your noble ancestors?
When it is validated, it gets published in the State Gazette (Staatsblad) and you'll receive your title from the king during the yearly traditional ceremony.
I don't know if it is possible in the Netherlands, but I thought that there no new titles are commissioned anymore. So probably not.
The title received will be heriditary through the male line, so your first-born son. Although I've heard it has been changed now and (Salian law has been abolished, first daughter also has right now), but that could be only for the royal family.
>>60121749
Well, they came from Arras (France). But their territory wasn't that big I guess (perhaps a few towns) and the name of my family is just incorporated in the names of two towns. The territory itself disappeared of the map. Another family, which was probably richer, annexed it to their territory. In the 16th century, when the Bourbons came in, they went to Canterbury for a few years. They've married some other French people there and after that they ended up in the Netherlands. I say "they", but it's perhaps just one person. In the Netherlands, they've gained freedom, but they still married francophone people till the beginning of the 18th century. During the years they've translated the name in a Dutch version. The particle "de" was lost. And this is the way I got my surname. During the 18th en the 19th century the family used to work in the textile industry. (Not very noble), and in the 20th century I was born. The paternal line hasn't realy had any noble jobs after their "exodus". Some were just soldiers and one of them starved for this country in the Dutch Indies. Perhaps it's worth to reclaim the title, but it's expensive and my family will never get their territory back, I guess. Post-medieval rulers will claim it otherwise. So if I have more than enough money, I'm willing to try to restore it in France and even connect the right coat of arms with my name. I am just aware of the fact that my life isn't going to change anyway, but thank you for you help.
>>60122316
I have a brother, so that's not going to work our well. However, I'm willing to do this for him.
>>60122839
The jobs and positions you don't have to worry about. Not everyone with a noble title is rich and upper class. There are people with titles and/or epitheta who are factory workers. History have not always been kind, or sometimes they became poor because of gambling, or not jumping on the industrialisation wagon in the 19th century.
There are different types of nobility, but in your case, old medieval nobility, a proof of nobility on paper isn't necessary, none of the old medieval noble families have them, because such a thing wass introduced in later times, and they assumed everyone knew they were nobles.
You said the title was marquis, that's one above count and viscount. A family tree in paternal line is all you need. Believe me, there are people, historians and dedicated amateurs, who will do alot of the research to validate your claim. This is all done by one organisation in Brussels with the largest archives on the matter. It can of course take some time, birth records, marriage and death certificates will have to be checked in different local archives, in different countries in your case.
But as a marquis, often the whole family is noble. If there were specifics around that in the past, that will have to be researched, but a common example is: the male head of the family carries the title, and the other males are either a lower title (in your case that would be commonly baron or knight), or untitled but officially considered noble (jonkheer).
Only titles come on your identity card though.
Also, you will in your case likely recieve back the right to the particule, and also an epitheton (the name of the land your family owned).
Of course you will have no real right to the land, but you can reclaim the right to carry the name of the land that was historically possession of your family.
So your name would change into
[first-name] [title] [particule] [last-name] ([particule] [name of possession])
() can be repeated if more than 1
>>60122937
But I have read that the brothers of Jean Breydel have got their title either, so perhaps I'm able to fix something. I think I should just hope that I will get one son and a lot of daughters
>>60122839
>I'm willing to try to restore it in France
You cannot restore a title in France. You can however recieve the right to carry an epitheton with particule with the possessions historically belonging to your family, but then you well need to be a French citizen.
The father of former president Valéry Giscard d'Estaing did that, here he referred to a direct blood-connection with the high noble family the dukes of Estaing (and now we know the connection was probably a fraud but he got away with it).
That is also possible, then it would be [last-name][particule][noble family name], without title.
All is forgiven if you wake up and become what you are supposed to be germany. Help yourself and then us.
>>60124046
Jean Breydel was the case of a hereditary knighted family. Knights are the lowest noble rank, not necessarily hereditary.
Marquis, however, is the highest of lower nobility, or the lowest of higher nobility, depends on how you look at it.
Have you checked your ancestor's name in the Almanach de Gotha btw? You'll find it on archive.org
>>60124597
Thank you for this information. I will take a look at it. Let me give you a response when this thread is still alive.
Why can't we just all get along
>>60112721
2015 was the year when the cumulative net contributions of Germany to the EU exceeded the original Versailles demands.
>>60124897
My pleasure. I wish you good luck with your endeavors.
>>60120317
Most of them aren't very religious, but those who are salafists they are really . Some of salafists do support ISIS, others support Al-Qayeda.
>>60127321
I've read up a bit on the history of Chechen, surely mass conversion to islam is a fairly recent phenomenon? I've read that although christianity and islam were both present, most Chechens were polytheist pagans until the late 19th century?
>>60130352
>mass conversion to islam is a fairly recent phenomenon
We converted to Islam very fairly late, that's true, but I don't know when exactly. I think we started to convert much earlier, but not the whole nation at once, just in stages.
>I've read that although christianity and islam were both present, most Chechens were polytheist pagans until the late 19th century?
I think it could be so, especially among highlanders. But now we are losing our old traditions and culture and getting much more islamic and russian influence.
I would like to if we preserve our old pre islamic culture.
absolutely
>>60130704
The Ossetians, another Caucasian people, have also amongst the rural people preserved their pagan traditions and folklore. Now it is being revived by the younger people, both from the rural areas and the cities.
Due to the proximity, I think the costums might be similar. They have been compaared to old Celtic costums, apparently they are quite similar.
