http://www.vox.com/2016/5/26/11774482/venezuela-socialist-collapse
VOTE VOTE VOTE:
http://www.strawpoll.me/10347633
I say after next week, but within the month. People can only starve for so long.
>>60088825
>vox
Why tho
can canada invade them and take their oil like murrica in iraq?
>>60089010
I'm a republican and I almost got a job there
:^)
>>60089047
It's too hot.
>>60089047
Venezuela's oil is really shitty, we're starting to reject it because it's too hard to refine. That's part of the reason their economy is going down the drain
Venezuela was always going to collapse into civil war in my opinion.
There is this massive disconnect between the urban population (especially Caracas) and the rural, indigenous and barrio population where the PSUV get most of their support from.
The issue is, most urban people view the rest of the population as basically subhuman and have no problem with most of venezuelas wealth being extracted from the country too the united states as long as the Urban areas get a decent enough kickback. This is why almost every Venezuelan online pretends Venezuela was some wonderland before Chavez because y'know, the 45% of the population that didn't have access to even drinking water? They are subhuman and don't matter. The fact that the Neoliberals in power had disasterous economic policies as well (actually worse than the modern PSUV while even having oil money backing them up) oh well, us in caracas got our kickbacks! Venezuela was awesome back then!
The PSUV should have lost power years ago, Maduro is an incompetent moron, but as long as the Venezuelan opposition continue acting like innercity Caracas and it's urban elite are the only thing that matters, then there will always be massive civil strife in Venezuela.
>>60089128
Their economy is going down the drain because the entire economic system is designed to siphon money into the bank accounts of the PSUV and their military friends and noone else. They throw some populist policies at the poor to keep them sedated and that's about it. This was fine while oil prices were high, but Saudi Arabia has artificially crashed prices to fuck over tar sands, Venezuela and Russia.
Also
>Price controls
>Socialist.
Kek, fuck I love when Keyenesian policies go wry they blame us Socialists. Please point in Capital whoever wrote that article where Marx claimed price controls were good policy, oh wait, he said the opposite.
>>60089311
>us Socialists
Commies >>>/out/
>>60089311
based saudis
Great, first Syrian and now Venezuela.
Also one more thing following up
>US has no hand in Venezuela
Fucking lol, is that why tens of millions of dollars are set aside on the US budget for "promoting democracy in venezuela" the millions of dollars that US energy companies pour into the Venezuelan opposition and student groups? The leaked wikileak documents talking about "McRevolution" against an incompetent Maduro?
The idea the US has no hand in it is fucking bizarre and completely devoid from reality.
Yes, the PSUV economic policies are retarded (especially currency controls, this is the big one) but what the fuck, why then pretend the US isn't also fucking shit up? Does anyone in the media have any ethics at all?
>>60089463
are you ready for venezuelan refugees crossing central america, into mexico, then making their way into america?
>>60089582
>then making their way into america?
The wall will have been built by then
>>60089582
Doesn't like 90% of Venezuelas population live in Miami already?
>>60089600
This
America is going for all out or nothing
>amazon as a border
Looks like all dem refgees going to Colombia
;DDDD
Literally all Venezuelans are emigrating to Chile now and it will be harder for me to get a job there when I move aswell
>>60089620
that's cubans
The civil unrest is there, but for civil war to happen they need a lot of money for weapons, food, transport, logistics. They also need to get the army to their side, or it will become some shitty guerrilla warfare.
Reminder that civil wars don't happen just because a bunch of angry peasants are angry, they happen when there is an organized and well financed revolutionary movement, most likely impulsed by elites opposed to the government, and with no intention to "save" people, but rather to get the power to themselves.
Maduro did pretty well, because if there's someone that is not starving in Venezuela, that's the army. Opposition gets their plans crushed, their finances stolen with expropiation and other shenanigans, their foreign support is cut because no one gives a fuck about doing something for Venezuela as long as they get the oil (which the government keeps giving away to avoid absolute collapse)
>believing CAPITALIST news companies
Yes, I'm sure they have nothing to gain by trying to paint socialism in a bad light. Keep eating up their propaganda sheeple
>>60089620
Cuban refugees
>>60089674
>falling for the socialism meme
Sorry, this website is for whites only
>>60089557
>Does anyone in the media have any ethics at all?
The MSM is pretty much just the PR wing of the American government (especially if there's a Dem in the White House - drone strikes are cool when Obama orders them!)
But you can expect an "explosive", "tell-all" book admitting the CIA's role in this ~20-30 years after the fact.
Not to say that Chavez/Maduro's Venezuela was some worker's paradise (I know fuck all about it 2bh), or that the CIA/USGov is 100% behind anything wrong that happens in Venezuela, but to think the US isn't partially involved is naive as fuck
>>60089662
>i have a couple billion laying around, what should i do?
>1. Feed my people
>2. Buy used Russian jets
Guess which?
>>60089645
>chile being the only decent country on the region
>get the shit from everyone else
I feel sorry for them
>>60089662
Ever wondered why the USA or other foreign powers haven't invaded Venezuela for FREEDOM purposes? Why no one says shit about human right violations? Why everyone recognizes Maduro's government as perfectly legitimate?
Because they don't need to, they are getting what they need from the broken venezuela. They went to Iraq because Saddam opposed them, they went to Libya because Gaddafi opposed them, they are in Syria because Assad opposed them.
They don't need to do the same for Venezuela because that asshole is open and ready to assfuck. The oil is readily available and they aren't planning some stuff like what got the others killed (Gaddafi's gold dinar, Saddam's petro-euro, Assad being against the oil pipeline).
Maduro's only real opposition to USA is using le yankee imperialist as a boogeyman to blame for everything.
>>60089394
>uh oh a different opinion!
>better insulate myself from it
>>60089740
Maduro can't feed his people because he's a fucking idiot.
Venezuelas economic policies are retarded and are so easily circumvented it's bizarre why they have not been pulled away or the Government hasn't overtaken all production of basic goods instead.
So this is how it goes in very layman terms due to the price controls and whatever
>Brazil is selling bread loaf for $10
>Venezuela says "I will buy bread loaf for $25"
>Brazil goes "Uhhh... okay"
>Venezuela tells people, look, we bough bread loaf for $10! (Where did the other $15 go? Notice that the PSUV politicans are all billionares?)
>Venezuela sells bread to local business for $5
>Venezuela tells local business to sell bread for $2
>Local business "Wut?"
>Local business sees black market
>Can sell bread on black market for $100
>Local business can sell bread in Colombia for $50
>Where does local business sell bread?
>Venezuela goes "but but but HOW DARE YOU ENGAGE IN THIS ECONOMIC WARFARE?!? FUCK YOU AMERICA!"
But hey, Maduro is a do nothing fucking retard, it's why he is hated by both Socialists and Capitalists.
The ironic thing is that if Venezuela was actually Socialist in the USSR/Chinese style it literally wouldn't have these issues because it wouldn't be playing this retarded game with price controls. It also wouldn't be in this issue if it's price and currency controls didn't even exist in the first place.
As I said above, the entire system exists because of that $15. It's designed to siphon public money into their own private bank accounts.
>>60089557
This desu.
>>60089631
Isn't Columbia even shittier?
>>60090176
Not at the moment, since 2012 Venezuela has gone to complete and total shit.
Also Colombia fucked off many of it's paramilitary thugs and delinquents to Venezuela kek. It's one of the reasons Venezuela hates Colombia so much.
>>60090089
Commie never been good a handling economy, look what they did with Argentina and US. Now the new govts are basically cutting everything to just stabilize things.
Anyway, i don't believe they'll go full syrian mode anytime soon. Unless they manage to get some weaponry for the cartels but i don't think that will happen without someone from outside give them the money for it.
I wish we would go back to our old times when we were the imperialist fucks of sudamerica and fuel the things there.
>>60090176
It is, but not so much.
Like in levels of shit, Venezuela can manage to be worse than Bolivia.
Brazilian northeast is fucking Norway compared to them.
From what I understand the vast majority of people against the government are all upper/middle class. Is this unrest entirely caused by them or has the government finally lost the support of the working class?
>>60090286
>gib welfare
>gibs welfare
>elections
>govt: the opposition will cut gibsmedats
>poor: sheeeeit
>commie govt reelected
That's why.
>>60090323
Sounds familiar
>>60090323
>gib tax cuts
>no
>sheeit
>rich urbanites chimpout
>>60090176
Look at this. Look at this and laugh.
>>60090089
>if Venezuela was actually Socialist in the USSR/Chinese style it literally wouldn't have these issues
Not quite, it still falls in the very first and basic mistake, which is giving too much power to the state, which in turn corrupts it, so it decides to fuck people over.
And this is south america, so the corruption factor multiplies x100.
>>60090286
As far as some venezuelan posters have explained to me, the people are actually so brainwashed that a majority still supports the government and gladly buys any bullshit mamaduro says. Even though Caracas became a real life pvp zone.
>>60090227
>>60089557
>>60089311
Same fucking thing in Brasil
>>60090348
You have no idea...
>>60090354
Like the opposition wants to created jobs and fix the economy, but idk why these people aways wants the welfare, like fuck. I think they like living in the shitter.
>>60090361
>Not quite, it still falls in the very first and basic mistake, which is giving too much power to the state
Seems like it wouldn't be a problem if there was real democratic mechanisms to keep the government in line. Also the USSR economy steadily chugged along even in the face of low commodity prices, at least until everything went to shit in the 80s, but a lot of that had to do with Afghanistan, military spending, logistic issues etc.
>>60090384
>Austerity
>Fixing economy
Choose one and only one
>>60090430
I meant venezuela.
Let's be honest anything is better than their current situation.
>>60090286
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/11985
This is a pro-PSUV source, so when this is criticizing the PSUV and calling Maduro out, you know they are serious. They also talk about how the Grassroots are basically preoccupied with now trying to live themselves so they are unlikely to defend the Government if a civil war/coup arises.
>>60090384
>Like the opposition wants to created jobs and fix the economy
Yeah I'm sure that's what they say, and it might be true, but if you think that the urban bourgeois will vote for them out of anything besides pure self interest you are fooling yourself.
>>60090450
Austerity almost always makes things worse though.
>>60089431
>based saudis
>reading comprehension
they're the same lads who intentionally fucked over our economy too dumbass
>>60090466
Just gave a example, of course there's aways someone with some interest, that's everywhere.
Just meant that people ignore the guys that want to fix it just because of pure ignorance.;
>>60090420
Based beaver of wisdom explains it better
can someone give me/other people sheltered by the American New$/Celebrity Prolefeed the lowdown on what the fuck is going on in Venezuela
>>60089645
Many of them are coming here two. Not that it bothers me, some of the grills are hot :3
>>60090517
Nah the Saudi's true target was US frackers. There just ended up being a ton of collateral damage.
>>60090450
>>60090466
Maduro only choice now is to seize the means of production give it to the workes, kill the bourgeois, and put some decentralized planing going on like Cybersyn in Chile.
>>60090323
is this in english
>>60090604
I will make a bet Maduro will be thrown from Government in a coup (or the next election) or be forced to reform.
The PSUV have shown time and time again they are just social dems with populist language.
>>60090537
>beaver4.png
Rest of series please.
>>60090176
Colombia is WAY shitter. Not just a little bit.
>>60090578
well at least its not turning out too bad, our east coast oil is some beautiful stuff, espceially compared to our tar sands so its still selling pretty well
too bad the tar sands is unimaginably huge, estimated at 2.2 trillion barrels in the Alberta tar sands alone, and with daily production before the oil crisis at over 2 million barrels a day, thats quite the hit to our economy and employment.
Venezuelans fall for muh perestroika meme. They would better to change Maduro to a reasonable person who shares Chavez convinces. In other they would be oil colony of the West again. We have seen it in 90s. They may complain now but pro-western government would do it worse, I a sure.
>>60090676
sure
>>60090537
The mistake is that more money = more power in a capitalist society, Nationalism is just a distraction that make it harder to the working people see the truth
>>60090661
Fucking Socdems man
>>60089645
fuck off we are full
>>60090537
Except he literally doesn't. Nationalism is just base tribalism, it teaches people blind faith and sacrifice, it is by nature irrational and promotes irrational thought. Also how do you define the good of the nation? Whose decision is that. You literally wind up in the same dillema as in socialism. Not to mention that whole bit about corruption isn't very well defended, if a corrupt politician enriches themself, then they may be hurting the nation, but they aren't actually hurting themselves unless it backfires on them (they get guillotined or something)
Nations are entirely socially constructed, they aren't real, tangible things that exist in nature, to put that at the centre of your ideology isn't just irrational, it's just plain stupid.
>>60090782
>>60090826
>Human nature meme
Everytime
>>60090811
Thought venezuelans were friends
>>60090089
>Government hasn't overtaken all production of basic goods instead.
This. The only good option for Venezuela is becoming more socialist.
>>60090785
>Fucking Socdems man
Pls no bully.
>>60090864
I never said anything about human nature. I just said that building your ideology around something that doesn't actually exist in any measurable, tangible sense is stupid.
>>60089740
>>60090890
>Socdem leads to fascism or neo-liberalism when capitalism enters in crisis
>Neo-liberalism leads to Socdem
Cues the cicle of life
>when will this ride ends
>>60090927
i marked the wrong one m8, sorry
>>60090782
>>60090785
>more money = more power in a capitalist society
That's pretty much unavoidable in many cases. The media for example is a beast you can't really control because muh free speech.
>>60090826
>Nationalism is just base tribalism, it teaches people blind faith and sacrifice, it is by nature irrational and promotes irrational thought
Based canada, the absolute non-country.
Nationalism is about belonging. It's about feeling an integral part of the nation and thus feeling you have a duty towards it. That's the core aspect my people lack.
Nationalism as a way to feel superior, to have empty pride, to be close minded i agree with you is pure tribalism and has to go.
>if a corrupt politician enriches themself, then they may be hurting the nation, but they aren't actually hurting themselves unless it backfires on them
Did you know that in japan, if they catch you stealing something in school, they will most likely expel you and put a big, fat mark in your curriculum, and you will get absolutely discriminated and despised by people as a huge piece of shit? There was this case of an student that got accused falsely by a teacher and he killed himself 2 days after because he knew his life was fucking over.
Imagine the same happened to someone that enriched himself at the cost of the people. We need to bring back that sense of "honor" if i may call it that way. That feeling of blame that makes the person feel like an absolute and irredeemable piece of shit if he harms others for personal benefit.
And there's also the people around realizing that stealing from the nation is the lowest of low and stopping the bad dudes on their tracks.
Antanas Mockus explained this and i agree wholeheartedly.
You say nations are pure social constructs or whatnot. Political ideologies are just ideas too, democracy and freedom are just ideas too. Look how far they have come uniting people to fight for great goals.
More beaver for the amerifat that requested it
>>60089740
>>60090934
Well. Here we go again.
I wouldn't like to live in fucking Venezuela, but if you search for actual data, Chavez took a shit ton of people out of poverty.
I know this is not relevant for you, because you are not poor, but it takes more than a meme about toilet papper to make smart people think that Chavez was wrong in what he did.
The debate is much more complex. Are you willing to use real arguments?
>>60091098
>Inavoidable
>What is communism
>>60088825
>All those miss-matched shields
What a shitshow
>>60091148
This is the last one i have
>>60091159
The problem is that Chavez was a socdem not a socialist.
You can't be half a gangster, same thing with PT here.
>>60089645
Venezuelan are good. Glad they choose to come here.
>>60089582
We built a wall but unfortunatly that aint gonna work
>>60090176
No, venezuela has thrice as much homicides, it has 70% poverty (we have 27), it's much more corrupt, their gdp per capita is now lower, their economy is nuch worse, etc
>>60091223
>mfw frontier with venezuela is militarized and now they need a visa to get in
>>60091098
>Nationalism is about belonging. It's about feeling an integral part of the nation and thus feeling you have a duty towards it
There is nothing unique about nationalism in this way, you can substitute any ideology or religion for this. Christianity, internationalism, communism, etc. Nationalism is just one brand, and it's one that seems to have a tendency to get out of hand and turn ugly very easily.
>You say nations are pure social constructs or whatnot. Political ideologies are just ideas too, democracy and freedom are just ideas too.
Not really, freedom is a real, tangible thing. It's an actual physical reality that I have the freedom to vote, freedom to speak my mind, travel where I please, etc.
How do you define a nation? Through language? Canada and the U.S. are both have many languages spoken across both countries, yet they are both still nations. History? My family is polish, I have no shared history with Anglo Canadians, yet I still identify as a Canadian. Shared homeland? Jews were scattered to the four winds for hundreds of years and still maintained a cohesive national identity.
Nations spring up or dissapear overnight, the individual Arab republics didn't exist before WW2 and afterwards they were fully fledged countries. In the 1960s Quebec could be called a separate nation from Canada, but now that isn't true anymore.
Personal freedoms, those are real things that impact people's lives, that's what matters, and if nationalism can coexist with that then fine, be patriotic, but the second nationalism becomes an excuse to restrict freedom then it can just go fuck itself.
>>60091159
You dont know what you are talking about.
Venezuela's poverty rate stayed in 30% fron 2007 to 2014, according to official stats.
And people say socialism would work in the US.
>Socialists trying to defend these people or trying to say it wasn't socialism.
>>60090696
HDI means nothing, Unpd doesn't even use updated figures. colombia has a higher life expectancy than argentina, for one.
>>60091373
Or they are pointing out that a few bad policies don't mean the entire system is the blame.
Bush and Clinton crashed the economy because of specific policies, that doesn't mean that capitalism is always doomed to fail forever.
>>60091368
>>60091373
Americunts that think Bernie Sanders is actually socialist.
Just a quick leason
Socialism check list:
>Abolition of private property
>Workers own the means of production
If not both it cant be socialism. At best socdem.
Venezuela was never really a Socialist state under Chavez to begin with. Much of what he touted as "21st Century Socialism" was always a bit of a facade to the more traditional Latin American populism/nationalism. Also, the welfare state created under Chavez targeted his biggest support base through a form of clientalism.
Funny enough, if you compare some of the rhetoric of Chavez and former Venezuelan President Carlos Andres Perez, they share a lot in common. Especially as both benefited from high petroleum prices at the time. I am sure some other Latin American posters can back me up on this.
>>60091467
Clinton crashed the system because big bankers ran wild under him. Bush spent his first year and a half in power getting them under control. 2008 happened because democrats manufactured a housing crisis
>For decades, Venezuela has suffered from a severe case of Dutch Disease – an economic phenomenon where one extremely profitable sector thrives at the expense of other sectors of the economy. In Venezuela’s case, a booming oil industry meant other sectors of the economy like agriculture have long been neglected. Generations of Venezuelans have avoided this problem by simply importing everything they need from abroad.
>However, if private industry can’t obtain foreign currency, then it can’t import goods. This is a huge problem in an import dependent country like Venezuela. On top of this, the discrepancy between official and unofficial exchange rates creates its own unique phenomenon not so different from Dutch Disease. Importers are given an incentive to not actually import anything. A great example of this was a once rampant scam known as the carousel. Popular back in the late 2000s, the scam involved an importer applying for foreign currency at one of the government’s preferential rates, then importing a load of the product (such as medical supplies). However, the supplies were never unloaded. Instead, they remained inside the freight truck, and were again exported. Meanwhile, the importer sold their foreign currency allocation on the black market for a nice profit. The importer then applied for more foreign currency to purchase more medical supplies, and drove their freight truck across the border yet again. Under this scheme, the importer made far more money than they ever could through legitimate business activities by simply buying foreign currency cheap from the government and selling it at a higher rate on the black market.
>What happens to an economy if every business simply relies on playing with exchange rates, instead of engaging in productive activities like importing, selling, constructing, manufacturing or providing any kind of service to the public?
>In the end, the only game in town is making money off speculation and corruption.
>>60091507
Let me take everything you just said and condense the Venezuelan economy model in one two words:
Heterodox Economics
>>60091506
You're right, and similar to how specific policies caused the 2008 collapse, specific policies caused the crisis in Venezuela, but it wasn't the entire nature of the system.
>>60091480
Isnt that communism?
>>60091331
You are just taking nationalism as a force of destruction. Yeah, it's been used that way. We had world wars regarding issues like that.
You are missing the point that social cohesion is needed. The borders can be arbitrary, the people in that mix are arbitrary as fuck. I have absolutely nothing in common with the sandniggers of the coast. Why should i care?
Jaime Garzón talked a lot about this. Lack of nationalism just causes you to feel alienated. People throw garbage to the street? Well that shit's not mine.
Corrupt fuckers steal our tax money? Well that shit's not mine.
Kids in Guajira are starving to death? Well they are not friends of mine or anything.
It's that exact apathy and sense of dissociation with the rest of people that keeps us down.
He explained that we needed to look back, find ourselves along with the roots of our conflicts and problems, and finally get together to make OUR country the great country WE all deserve.
It doesn't matter if you feel it's arbitrary, it doesn't matter if you can't touch it. What matters is finding that feeling that you belong and that this is OUR country, OUR streets, OUR people, so we better keep them in the best shape we can.
>>60091576
To marxist-leninist no, but to anarchists yes.
>>60091575
Venezuela was a socialist country following socialist policies
What's amazing about Venezuela's economic situation in general is the willingness to forget the "Lost Decade" period of the 1980s.
Venezuela is a shit hole. Why does anyone care if it collapses?
>>60091742
Ebin
>>60091742
Instability tends to get exported. And Venezuela is a lot closer to the US than Syria.
Venezuela is under attack so much in the media because the media is trying to discredit Socialism and is playing a role in trying to destroy the "pink tide" in Latin America handing it back to the right.
As someone who studied Contemporary history for years, I have a personal saying "If you want to find out who the US is going to coup, watch the New York Times" and this is something you can trace back easily 80 years. Almost every coup the US has ever been engaged in, has been followed first by months of propaganda from the NYT.
The NYT posts anti-Venezuela pieces almost daily, often several in a single day (often hilariously cherry picked as well, trying to play off murdered PSUV grassroots activists as "opposition", a hospital where "babies are dying" as the fault of the poor PSUV public health policy... despite the hospital in reality is a foreign run private hospital, talking about how everyone is starving and how everyone hates the Government but with basically no analysis into what the issues actually are.
If the media actually spoke the fucking truth CORRUPTION is the biggest problem in Venezuela, then they might actually highlight the importance of independent media and government watchdogs and the ability to hold our politicans to account, but hey, can't have fucking that can we.
>>60091742
>wanting 30m economic refugees
>>60090537
>nationalism works
Top
Fucking
Kek
>>60091742
The neo-liberals gain some breathing room.
>>60089311
>The issue is, most urban people view the rest of the population as basically subhuman
That's because they are, and during the 80s, they flooded Caracas and other cities, building many of the shanties surrounding the city that are still present today. They're literally the cause of the Chavistas surge in popularity, and are absolute scum.
>Us socialists
Opinion discarded.
>>60090036
Hopefully the next fire will destroy the entire country
look at my kitty, do you guys rike him?
>>60091832
Okay, how about we call it "Sense of belonging", or "Sense of responsibility towards your fellow citizens".
Perhaps "The will to get actively involved in political discussion and decisions, and thinking of the state not as a separate entity, but as a part of myself".
The moment people started seeing the state as that group of fat fuckers far away doing their business which may or may not benefit me while i cross my arms and shitpost my time away, rather than something that we all integrate, and as citizens our duty is to participate in it. That was the moment democracy lost its meaning. That was the moment our countries stopped being ours.
>>60089582
if they look like this then I'm cool with it
>>60091871
What you think that made them flee to the cities, oh wait it was the fucking neo liberal government.
>>60091871
And US is so brainwashed that you guys are getting fucked by republicans(Right-wing) and "democrats"(Center-right) and still think that everything is ok.
>>60091823
They wont make it over the wall. Those that do will be shot.
>>60091970
The previous government was shitty, but the Chavistas only helped their voterbase, ended up destroying the country, to the point it'll take decades to recover.
At this point, I welcome whatever group (95% likely it'll be the militarists, as the previous times, maybe they'll also try to seek US support).
>And US is so brainwashed that you guys are getting fucked by republicans(Right-wing) and "democrats"(Center-right) and still think that everything is ok.
And? The right is virtually nonexistant in Venezuela, and it's far worse. Venezuela already IS shit, I should know, I'm from there.
>>60090227
tbqhwy Venezuela received them with open arms
Chavez even made Tiro Fijo a meme in his country
They got the Oil
They will end up like Iraq.
poor venezualian people
I feel sorry for them
wtf wait thats wrong!
nah I dont give a fuck about any human!
LEARN TO FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOMS AND RIGHT TO EXIST BITCHES!!
>>60092085
lol oh you yankees and your wall
let me explain something to you
if your jewish merchant overlords had the money and resources to build a "wall" south of the border, that money and resources would find their way to pissrael where a wall would be built where needed and security would be hired where needed
>>60092466
20 billion dollars is not that much, you know
>>60089311
>Saudi Arabia has artificially crashed prices to fuck over tar sands
Retard here, can you explain how exactly they fucked up prices
>>60092376
is this pasta tho
>>60089431
>This guy
>>60091224
Build a bigger wall
>>60092665
Your mom's pussy is pasta to my dick's sauce and meatballs, faggot.
>>60089311
I agree with you but Karl Marx is a bad example of socialism, he just regurgitated his theories without any empirical research to demonstrate them.
>>60092644
Because >muh Iran >muh Shias will have market share in oil exports and also to fuck up US shale production. They realised they could do that because they needed something to level their profits in the long term after China hit the market with lower demand.
>>60089394
>>60091871
Why are the braindead posts always American?
>>60091341
Those official stats are just western propoganda you dumb sheep, Venezuela is actually a prosperous country, don't believe the jew lies :^)))))
>>60088825
>tfw have a friend in Caracas
>Tells me how things are going wrong days before the news picks up on it
>Everyone predicts a war will happen soon
>He feels that the next day could be "the" day
>tfw I hope he can get out of the country in time
>>60090089
>As I said above, the entire system exists because of that $15. It's designed to siphon public money into their own private bank accounts.
That's the whole point of socialism
>>60089600
>>60089623
>The wall will have been built by then
by when?
