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Invited: Poland,Lithuania,Latvia,Estonia,Ukraine,Belarus
>>60005830
>ukraine
>>60005858
no bully edition
>>60005858
Poroshenko looks ike that Sir Allister from Games of Thrones.
Yea?
>>60005920
remember no hate
>>60005963
Poles should remember that..
>>60005988
no one hates Lithuania m8 we love you
>>60006010
>we love you
Its not nice to lie.
>>60006040
What lies? we only hate Russia,Germany
>>60006053
I get bullied a lot in /polska/
I'm playing Poland in EU4, soon to be the commonwealth.
I'll make it work this time, guys.
>>60006127
>/Polska/
>not a general with autists
>>60006127
becuase you are a faggot who only posts "/balt/"
>>60006224
I am not that guy.
>>60006321
:DDDD
pls invite
>>60006241
it's becuase you have an african flag
>>60006464
I don't see what does korean has to do with this tbhq..
>>60006456
your country was one of the 4 reasons PLC died off
>>60006513
sorry
>>60005830
>C*tholicism
>Elective monarchy
>lack of Polonization
>not ressetling Ukrainians
>not destroying Russia in 1612
>not destabilizing HRE with France
>not annexing Prussia
>not allying with Ottomans
1) Shitty monarchy.
Unlike other European monarchies that continued to centralize, in Commonwealth the nobles (Szlachta) and magnates wielded the most power. It's almost like the situation in pre-feudal western Europe when the "King" was mostly a titular title and wielded considerably less power than his """vassals""".
2) Got gangbanged:
For a long time Poland was the most civilized nation in the area, but with emerging Swedish, Russian, and Prussian Empires, they got #REKT to the point there was no chance of recovery. Sweden probably did the most damage, and Prussia, Russia and Austria just divided the rubbles... Combined with reason number 1m there was no effective Polish gov to do anything about it.
3) Ukrainian rebellion:
While by itself it wasn't THAT disastrous, the rebels soon made an alliance with Russian Empire, so the commonwealth had to fight not only enemies outside their border, but also enemies inside. Which is sux, right?
4) Eastern Europe became increasingly irrelevant:
The Pope always liked big strong Catholic states, which Poland was one of them. Normally, he wouldn't let (Orthodox) Russia or Protestants to have a piece of Polen - but sadly after the "Thirty Years War" no one gave a fuck what the Pope thinks anymore.
Also any trade routes through the eastern Europe became obsolete 'cause new sea trade routes and colonization and shiet.
>>60006624
this, especially the Ottoman and HRE part
for fucks sake we had no single ally what our """diplomacy""" did even think
>>60006624
Liberum Veto
>>60006747
That too.
Funilly enough there were no Lithuanians in PLC, only żmudzins and Ruthenians.
>>60006779
>Ruthenians
meme people
>>60006817
Just like Lithuanians, which started to exist after WW1.
Before that you didn't even speak your own language but Polish and Ruski.
>>60006844
We did speak lithuanian. But it was mostly people from villages and peasants.
>>60006880
traitors
>>60006950
>betray
>expect to be loved
>>60006974
>Be korean
>Get genocided
>Can't do anything about it
lmao
>>60006950
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_K%C4%97dainiai
>>60006880
There was no Lithuanian in PLC.
Only Polish, Ruthenian and Latin.
>>60007002
>be Lithuanian
>?
meme irrelevant nation
>>60007031
Just because it wasn't an official language doesn't mean it didn't exist..
>>60007056
You cared enough to reply.
>>60005830
>ukraine
no such thing
>>60006624
>this faggot again
you have refined your opinions a bit to make them less retarded and more correct but again Catholicism had absolutely nothing to do with Poland's fall.
Most of your other things are pretty correct however if I really wanted to point to things that were really instrumental to the fall of the first Rzeczpospolita was:
Sigismund's fumble with the Russians during their Times of Troubles
Whichever king's retarded decision to grant Prussia the ability to pass to Brandenburg and then another ones's equally retarded decision to give Prussia sovereignty
The failure of Poland to get rid of the retarded veto and to centralize before it was far too late.
>>60007094
Lithuania was irrelevant in the PLC, the country was basically just a larger Poland
who wants to fuck my boipucci
>>60007481
>but again Catholicism had absolutely nothing to do with Poland's fall.
>be pole
>be attacked by teutonic order that wants to genocide you despite being christian
>some time later
>be step away from annihilating Muscovy then be cucked by pope who got letter from Ivan the terrible saying that he will convert to Catholicism if he tells poles to back off
>King dies
>Another polish-muscovite war breaks out soon after catholic zealot is elected as the new king
>He's one step away from installing his son as Russian tsar as muscovites are tired of war and boyars want privileges and golden freedom like polish nobles
>At the last second he backs it off saying that his son wont convert to orthodoxy and chance to have strong ally is destroyed for centuries as poles were seen as invaders
>rulers excommunicated and cursed left and right by Vatican for hosting jews and other heretics
>some time later
>get partitioned due to political crisis, pope bribed by Austria doesn't helps
>some time later
>almost every uprising condemned by bribed pope
>some time later
>Vatican supports nazis
fuck off faggot, you know nothing about my country
ITT: faggots
>>60007094
>Just because it wasn't an official language doesn't mean it didn't exist..
It was "revived" in the road to WW1.
>>60007585
t. didn't read his whole post
But I agree about catholcuck bullshit.
>>60007620
Sup faggot
>>60007625
Peasants spoke it mostly because they were the least affected by polonization.. Still the language existed..
>>60007714
What I meant is that it wasn't official in PLC.
>>60005830
is this the place for Programmable Logical Controllers?
>>60007743
I agree with that.
>>60007758
t. Kurwland
>>60007585
Sigismund being a dumbfuck zealot for the Pope's wrinkly dick doesn't mean much as he would have presumably been a zealot for whatever alternative religion you propose because a zealot is a zealot. You being a different religion would not have changed any of those events and likely would have gotten you into more shit with people. The mistakes were the shit veto, the fuck up you described with the Russians (although the fuck up was from your king being a zealot not Catholicism specifically), and dealing with Prussia poorly.
>>60008010
He's just a proud atheist, iykwIm
>>60007743
Just because it wasn't an official language doesn't mean it didn't exist..
>>60008659
I'm aware I've seen this guy before, he comes up whenever the PLC is mentioned and his views have actually been noticably shifting from being completely wrong to partially correct
>>60006513
That wouldn't be possible if not for the cossack traitors.
>>60006513
Good shit.
>>60013201
It was really the cossacks fault.
>>60013374
Sure bro. I suggest you take a trip through Poland / Lithuania. You'll come across traces of Swedish historical presence practically everywhere.
They had an old Swedish cannon and a board mentioning how Swedes and Finns had burned down their castle on three different occasions in a bumfuck town called Birzai. A town with less than 15 000 inhabitants, can you imagine?
