>go to poland
>every building has a funded by EU sign
why is poland so fucking useless lmao
you have your cuckstamp directly in the flag
>go to pooland
lmoa why??
>>59916423
Why are Poles so fucking retarded /Int/?
>Drive to Poland
>On Autobahnen
>Every Autobahn segment has a blue sign in front of it
>Built with European Unions money
>At my hotel
>Hotel was build 250 years ago
>Small Blue Sign
>EU gave money to restore this building
>Go to tourist attractions
>Blue Signs everywhere
Everything new in Poland is build with money from the European Union aka Germany. The new houses people live in are built because polish people go to Germany, get money and take everything home to build their houses.
The Eu pays for infrastructure that was needed , get some standarts in agricukture but asking any polish person they will say:
>FUCK THE EU POLAND WOULD BE BETTER WITHOUT THEM
How can so many people be so delusional? The only reason Poland is a First World Country now is because of EU money, they would be India tier without it.
>>59916423
>Meanwhile in chinese colony
>>59917088
>Poland
>first world
Pick one
>>59917094
They can atleast pay for their own Infrastructure. You lazy moochers.
>>59917047
kek
![autpstrada-630x472[1].jpg_6e7db1.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fwEB9AV.jpg "autpstrada-630x472[1].jpg_6e7db1.jpg")
>>59917088
nah. We paying 200mln euro more than we get from EU. Only in first years we get more.
Btw look at belarus, they have nice streets and new buildings and they are not in EU.
![1370591359_c3214a5bb609dfa7046ece103235b496[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UMuJTu5.jpg "1370591359_c3214a5bb609dfa7046ece103235b496[1].jpg")
>>59917191
Belarus
>>59917191
>We paying 200mln euro more than we get
lol no, you're getting over 15 billion, don't delude yourself pooland
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/11221427/EU-budget-what-you-need-to-know.html
>>59917191
>>59917290
*10 billion
>>59917290
>Data from 2013
>>59917191
They pay far less for the gas than we do
>>59917290
So? We are now in the same situation as Spain or Portugal were before. Few years of a good money, and then it's over, mr Szu Ping Chan
>>59917367
>pooland goes from 10 billion net receiver to 200 million net contributer in 2 years (2016 not finished yet)
ah yes, polish intellectual ability strikes again
>So?
So it means you're deluded leeches
http://tomaszcukiernik.pl/artykuly/teksty-o-unii-europejskiej/prawda-i-falsz-o-dotacjach-z-ue/
Bilans dotacji wyraźnie pokazuje że jestesmy, grubo na minusie na unijnych "prezentach".
>A tutaj
http://www.uwazamrze.pl/artykul/1015163/zbiednielismy-przez-unie
Według danych Głównego Urzędu Statystycznego w latach 1995–2004 średnie wynagrodzenie w Polsce po uwzględnieniu inflacji (czyli realnie) wzrosło aż o 56 proc., podczas gdy w latach 2004–2013 zaledwie o 18 proc. Kiedy byliśmy poza Unią, polska gospodarka rozwijała się szybciej.
Poza Unią także szybciej wzrastały eksport i import. W latach 1995–2004 wartość handlu zagranicznego po uwzględnieniu inflacji wzrosła o 130 proc. (eksportu o 112 proc.), a w latach 2004–2012 zaledwie o 58 proc.
W ciągu dziewięciu lat członkostwa w UE znacznie pogorszyły się też wskaźniki dotyczące finansów publicznych Polski. Łączny deficyt budżetowy w latach 1995–2003 wyniósł 256,5 mld zł, podczas gdy w latach 2004–2012 był ponad dwa razy większy – ponad 547 mld zł. Z kolei dług sektora instytucji rządowych i samorządowych – według danych GUS – wzrósł z niecałych 422,4 mld zł w 2004 r. do 886,8 mld zł w 2012 r., co oznacza wzrost o 110 proc.
Unia Europejska swoimi regulacjami napędza ceny. Wiele produktów bardzo podrożało tylko dlatego, że Bruksela wymusza minimum podatkowe (np. w wypadku akcyzy). Przed wejściem do UE polscy politycy zobowiązali się do stopniowego, ale znacznego podniesienia różnych podatków akcyzowych, o czym nie mówiło się wtedy w mediach.
od 2004 r. cena detaliczna benzyny bezołowiowej 95-oktanowej wzrosła prawie o 70 proc. (z 3,2 zł), a oleju napędowego aż o 90 proc. (z 2,8 zł). Czy ktoś jeszcze pamięta cenę benzyny w 1997 r., wynoszącą wtedy 1,5 zł za litr?
>>59917410
*miss
>>59917460
Bla bla bla, kys butthurt kid
>>59917684
>encounters actual proof against his indoctrinated world view
>b-b-but you're just a butthurt kid!!!
poles make me laugh, you're literal third worlders, you have the same exact mentality
>>59917813
>being that buitthurt
ayy drink something or whatever
>>59917813
>ukies make me laugh, you're literal cucks like sweden, you have the same exact mentality
have fun with sharia law.
>>59916423
the EU money barely cover the cost of additional bureaucracy needed to redistribute them and the regulations hurt our economy and cause millions euro losses. the farmers literally throw away their products to meet some imaginary limits imposed by the EU
>>59917813
Poland is a nice place
>>59917868
>>59917877
>you're all butthurt!!!
>muh sharia law!
>AHA sweden lmao xD
>polish retorts
no wonder third worlders don't want to go to your country, you're in the exact same situation
>>59916423
>go to Australlia
>entire city is overcrowded with Asains and abos
whose laughing now
>>59916423
This, this so fucking much.
>take train, it's EU funded
>>59917988
You must be crazy if you think conditions in Poland are in any way comparable to Arab shitholes (apart from the oil rich states).
>>59918163
It was a hyperbole, a hyperbole is when you use an exaggeration to make your point.
>>59916423
>>59918255
top kek
>>59917088
This is all true. There is no lie in this.
>>59917684
marshall plan was irrelevant. 1% of GDP? come on...in exchange of helping american products to enter our markets, we had quotas for american products and films.
>>59918226
Anyways, to respond to OP, most of these projects are only partially EU funded. Most of the buildings with EU flags of them were just renovated, not built with EU money. They were often built under communism or before it. For example our local library has like 3 EU flags on it and "EU contributed to this" propaganda, yet the library was there since 1981 and it was present in a different building since 1951. Basically, EU repaints old commieblocks or rebuilds them into American style glass kitch then calls it a day.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sala_Kni%C5%BEnica_J%C3%A1na_Johanidesa.jpg before
http://sala.dnes24.sk/images/photoarchive/sized/700/2014/10/21/sala-kniznica-beseda-spisovatelka-nina-protusova2.JPG after
Sure, it is prettier that way, but they actually destroyed a whole comfy reading room in the process. I had a place to read in privacy outside the home, now I don't, but of course, EU bought a few shitty Dell computers. Progress.
>>59918255
Lol, your whole Southern region is a huge money drain, gets EU funds and has a similiar GDP per capita to Poland, but more mafia, poverty and unemployment.
>>59916423
>>59917290
Poland get's annually less than 1% of it's GDP in EU aid you retards.
>>59918403
You guys think the fall of communism was out of altruism and not to open a big new market and flood it with cheap shit?
>>59918519
italy is a net contributor to the EU, unlike Slovakia
>>59918589
No, the GDP of Poland is 550 billion US dollars measured by the UN. It gets a net of 13.5 billion dollars from the EU. This is nearly 2.5% of gdp.
>Somali mathematics
>>59918760
they opened new markets to make communism fall.
>>59918812
You realize EU basically subsidizes their farmers in Western European countries, taking our farmers out of the market because the subsidies mean the Western product is even cheaper than ours because it is artificially made cheap? Nothing like preaching free market abroad and protectionism at home. BBBBUT WEE GIVEZ YOU FEW SHEKELS, STFU NEOCOLONY.
>>59918972
This
>>59918255
fucking lel
>>59918812
>It gets a net of 13.5 billion dollars from the EU.
It gets $4-5 billion EACH YEAR.
>>59918972
they want quality
>>59918972
Yes, all CAP subsidies should be stopped and the CAP itself abolished immediately. CAP subsidies are already factored into the aforementioned net contributor/receiver figures. Fact remains that eastern countries leech upon western money.
>>59919028
Incorrect, it gets a net amount of 12 billion euros, this is 13.5 billion dollars
>>59918403
>marshall plan was irrelevant.
Sure it was, the EU funding is irrelevant for us too XD
>>59917988
>being still assblasted
chill out kid, you're ok
We used to make shit in this country, build shit. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pocket.
why is pooland the biggest thief in the EU
>>59916423
So do half the buildings here. I can't wait for the collapse of the railways in 10 years when they can no longer afford to do much needed modernisation and the government refuses to help.
>>59919139
>yet more talk about arses
is there something you're not telling us mate. you've yet to say a single thing beyond muh butthurt
>>59919175
>things that hurt when i drop it on my foot has more economic value than things that don't hurt at all
ah yes
>>59919236
They are lazy moochers
>>59919108
Then I got deceived by some anon, but still, it's only 2% of the GDP.
And Poland gets less of EU aid PER CAPITA than many EU countries.
>>59919236
>get a shitload of free EU money
>tourism is based on concentration camps tours
devilish
>>59919329
That's not really the issue. No European countries should receive a net amount from the EU at all.
>>59919329
t.polish diaspora
>>59919317
>>59919406
Fuck the EU aid, you better pay up $750 BILLION in WW2 damages.
>>59919384
yea Tesco should be able to buy everything and export the profit back to england, while supporting the english farmer who cant even grow his own fucking nail, since he lives on a rock
>>59919406
>t. polish agents
FTFY
>>59919441
Haha you already build your roads with our money. Also get over it. We don't owe you anything you moochers.
>>59919441
*$850 BILLION
>>59919455
>buy everything
free trade, this is good, yes
>export profit
i see no problem
>supporting the english farmer
couldn't give a shit where products are bought from, read >>59919063 If a farmer can't make economic profit from his use of capital and land, he is making us collectively worse off by continuing with his business
>>59919543
t. anon projector
>>59919543
You owe us and pay up.
>>59919643
Nope you had 70 years to get over it. What have you reached in this time nothing. Still butthurt about previous generations. This attitude is why your country is shit and needs eu money to get things done
If you indriduce a union with commie style quotas and regulation, ban russian companies to modernize nuclear plant in Bulgaria or build a new one in Hungary because "some fagglords in Brusseless suppose that will make EU dependent on russian supplies of nuclear fuel so let't be dependent on american fuel instead", ban building gas pipes for southern countries and instead make Germany a monopolistnin reselling russian gas then ffs deal with some irrelevant spendingsnon your vassals. That's almostnthr only thing why al these countries were willing to join your faggunion.
>>59919643
>another Pole that escapes from his third world shit hole and has the cheek to talk favourably about it
>>59919730
Give $850bn and Poland will return the EU aid it got. I think this is a very reasonable deal.
>>59916423
Poland - int kurwa. Nation of chicken fuckers.
>>59919770
>escapes from his third world shit hole
That's big coming from Bongistan.
>>59919823
No give back the EU funds. We owe you stealing subhumans nothing
>>59919862
>examples of third worlders coming to a first world country somehow proves something
>yfw you realise you're the exact same as these people, escaping from pooland to go to Sweden with all the muslims
deary me
>>59919865
GTFO with that subhuman bullshit eternal Kraut.
>>59919865
Said the biggest thief in European history. You owe us hundreds of billions, millions of lives, furniture and art and the last 70 years.
>>59918255
lel
>>59917088
>>Blue Signs everywhere
It's how Germany does war these days.
Instead of making guns, tanks, planes and funding wars they just throw money directly at country they want to conquer.
As usual they start with shittiest and stupidest prey like Poland.
>>59919928
I can't wait to see Britain burn. Muslim fith columns best columns. Karma will make you pay for what you've done.
>>59920004
Says the pole who left his 3rd world country to live in fucking sweden
>>59920094
>his 3rd world country
That's very funny kraut.
>>59920004
>desperate damage control
It's funny when you see people escape from their own countries because of how much of a shit hole it is. And even funnier when they vehemently deny this, and say that the countries him and his fellow comrades are escaping to are somehow worse than the one they have escaped from
>poolish logic
Poorland
>this pole patriot from Sweden defending his country in every thread involving Poland.
>>59918255
Finally some quality content.
Russians, please nuke Sweden before it joins NATO already.
>>59920145
"Escape" because you can earn 3-4 times as much money for the same job you do in Poland, thus technically you could retire 3-4 times faster than normal.
>>59920128
If it's so great why don't you live there? Why do you live in a country full with "muslim fith columns"
poles getting spanked itt
>>59919996
Germans are superior and deserve lebensraum.
>>59917088
At least there doing useful stuff with the money unlike Greece
>>59920200
>>59920227
I'll go back in few years.
>>59920128
Still, you are a dirty immigrant.
>be Poorland
>lose WWII before it even begins
>>59920236
>>59920265
How are the sharia patrols going in Copenhagen?
>>59920128
why are you in sweden
the polak never said poland is great
he merely claimed krauts, and pretty much all western shits owe it money, so when you little fags cry about "mooches" and "thiefs" you should look to your Imam and ask him why does muslims deserve support, while working ppl doesnt
hopefully russia will glass you, and we will personally guide Ivans to rape your mothers, then shit into your dead mouths
>>59920222
>openly admits first world countries are richer than third world ones like pooland
finally, we're getting somewhere
>>59920280
Poland also lost cold war.
>>59920200
This
>>59918255
This
Although
"""""""""""""""""Refugees""""""""""""""""""
>>59920337
>Hungarian grasp of the English language.
Jesus Christ that was incomprehensible. All I could gather was some kind of jealousy towards the end.
>>59920337
We should just give , you back to russia and rebuild the wall desu
>>59920337
>turning Russia into a bogyeman
Fuck off. We only need stable gas purchasers and unlimited access to energy market uncluding nuclear plants.
>>59920347
I didn't say that you retard (nor are denying it). I only implied that there is a difference in living costs and thus salaries between Poland and it's western-northern neighbours.
>>59920415
>>59920448
Yeah, because Poland is a shit hole.
It's because the EU is a nightmare that infringes on the rights of its member states and gives them no choice in the matter.
The EU's unelected government takes their country's money in tax. This is non-negotiable.
They then spend a fraction of that money on the country that supplied it and put up these signs as if it's a charitable contribution instead of robbery. They also hinder trade with countries outside the EU to the point that the nations can't depend on themselves.
Don't blame the Polish. Blame the greedy European bureaucrats.
Poles are the Jews of Europe
>>59920431
Poland should start building a wall with Germany.
>>59920448
>I only implied that pooland is a backwater swamp and many poolish people escape to civilisation
fixed
>>59920451
I see you've given up with English for now, that's probably for the best
>>59920506
Well, until Germany got through with them anyway
This is the most entertaining thread I've seen in quite some time. Keep it up, lads.
>>59920490
No you retard, what I said is that there is a difference in living costs. If you go to a country with a 3-4 times as high living cost, thus you generally earn 3-4 times as much, and you earn the same money 3-4 times as faster when you save up and return back.
>>59920540
>>I only implied that pooland is a backwater swamp and many poolish people escape to civilisation
That's very funny, when in history we taught the west civilisation.
>>59920670
generally curious what is your job in sweden
>>59920499
pretty sure elected governments have to ratify new states into the eu, process takes years
perhaps some states were a mistake
>>59920726
Studying. :)
>>59920771
what are you studying and what do you want to work as
>>59920812
Tech-information -> programming.
>>59920670
>history
somehow relevant to poolish people escaping in the 21st century
>>59920856
wages aren't that bad in poland for programmers though
>germans who think they can talk shit to anyone else
golden lel
>>59920872
Don't provoke destiny bong, you'll soon be escaping as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ-D9atKl7Q
>>59920929
Exactly, around 7-8000zł in Poland. In Sweden that would be like like 40-50.000kr - £4089,31. You can live as a demigod in Poland with that.
>>59921142
>pooles think they'll be as rich as the west some day
>the same pooles escape pooland
>come to first world country
>scrape poo from the bottom of a toilet
>WE WUZ TEACHERS
>WU CREATED WESTERN CIVILISATION
>You'll be escaping someday!!
>pooland so great Xd!!
no mate
>>59921142
going to go back after your studies or try work in sweden for a bit?
>>59921413
I already worked on and off for a bit, so it will be easier if I stay here for a bit.
>>59921284
>>pooles think they'll be as rich as the west some day
How things are going in the west we'll make the the gap less wider sooner than expected.
>>WE WUZ TEACHERS
Well...
>In many aspects, Polish culture had a positive influence on France. At Wawel, the French were introduced to new technologies of septic facilities, in which litter (excrement) was taken outside the castle walls.[19] On returning to France, Henry ordered the construction of such facilities at the Louvre and other palaces.[19] Other inventions introduced to the French by the Polish included a bath with regulated hot and cold water, as well as forks. Henri III (1551–1589) [...] he is widely credited for having introduced the fork into France.[20]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_III_of_France
>>59921666
Your growth is something like 0.5%-2% higher than UK growth over the last couple of years, hardly life changing.
>New technologies of septic facilities
>even 16th century pooland's positive influence on the west was cleaning poo
>you cannot fabricate this sentiment
baths, forks and cleaning poo is really the life blood of western civilisation, Franciszjszek. good boy, but there's another toilet to clean now, you've taken too much time on your break, back to work
>>59921603
you a c++ lad
Lads, what are the stereotypes concerning the relationship between Poles and Czechs? Is there bad blood?
>>59918255
10/10
>>59921853
>Your growth is something like 0.5%-2% higher than UK growth over the last couple of years, hardly life changing.
Still an achievement with all the sabotaging traitor sellouts since the 1989's in government.
>really the life blood of western civilisation,
The Latin civilisation - not guilty until proven by court (NOT king) already in the 15h century, semi-democracy (elective monarchy) cooperating with parliament, freedom of speech and writing, freedom of religion, rights of women inheritance already in the 16th century etc. etc..
There is a reason why people from all over Europe flooded to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth during its Golden Age.
>>59922090
Java and C#.
>>59922313
>low growth is an achievement for a poor country like pooland
>elective monarchy
>semi-democracy
don't make me laugh
pooland didn't invent freedom of religion, nor is female inheritance the lifeblood of western civilisation
Just face the facts. Pooland is shit, that's why traitors like you and hundreds of thousands of others escape to first world countries to clean toilets.
>>59917088
This is bullshit, Poland isn't first world
>>59922687
>low growth
Wtf are you talking about? Poland has had the highest GDP growth in Europe for years now ranging from 3-5%.
>>59922687
>pooland didn't invent
But it was ahead of Europe nn the 15-17th centuries in many areas while the west was backwards.
>>59922765
Oh no, it's 4th world. You even know what that scale came from you retards?
>>59923624
3/4% as it's been for the last 3 years or so is extremely low for a developing nation like pooland. let's not forget the 2.5% of gdp that the EU gives to pooland, that pretty much accounts for a lot of the growth.
>ahead
oh wow, you were ahead of europe for a period of nearly 300 years. that's amazing. look how far you've come, cleaning toilets is done much more efficiently now.
please forgive the ignorance of my compatriots itt
>>59924066
>so is extremely low for a developing nation like pooland.
Because Poland isn't really a "developing nation".
>>59924066
>let's not forget the 2.5% of gdp that the EU gives to pooland,
Dropping asphalt on dirt doesn't produce growth.
>that's amazing. look how far you've come, cleaning toilets is done much more efficiently now.
Yeah, that's what WW2 and 40 years of communism does to you.
>>59917094
DELET THIS
>>59924525
>Pooland isn't really a ''developing nation''
yes it is, don't kid yourself. poor living standards and low incomes.
>dropping asphalt on dirt doesn't produce growth
you're wrong, it doesn't produce meaningful growth, but it produces growth statistically, as government spending is a component of GDP. So your europe beating growth is a pile of shit really. It comes from EU money, not meaningful as it's just a bunch of road and buildings, not especially high at all. I left a nice skid mark for you btw
>>59924222
>asking foreigners who despise you for forgiveness
lmao Sebastian Brzęczyszczykiewicz you fucking Slav subhuman this is exactly why your country will always be shit
>>59924790
>you fucking slav
>check flag
>>59924747
>poor living standards
Poland has good living standards compared to outside of Europe, average living standards in Europe.
>low incomes.
Depends on your qualifications like everywhere else, and the living costs are like 2-3 times as less than in the west.
>>59924747
>you're wrong, it doesn't produce meaningful growth, but it produces growth statistically, as government spending is a component of GDP.
I meant as in economical and industry growth.
>It comes from EU money,
No it does not, and Poland from this year is loosing more money from the EU in visible and hidden expenses than it gains in aid.
>>59924525
>indonesia
>dutch flag
YOU ARE GODDAMN RIGHT
>>59924974
>complains about eu
>is a polish migrant who works and lives in Sweden
>>59925063
I hope Poland leaves the EUSSR as soon as possible. Good that more and more Poles are becoming more sceptical to this bureaucratic abomination.
>>59925118
Go back to poland hypocrite.
>>59916423
what's wrong with that
>>59924974
>compares himself to african shit holes
confirmed for backwater swamp. if you're compared to normal nations like the UK, you're utter shit.
You don't even know how GDP is calculated mate. If the governments spends 5 billion pounds building a giant dildo so you can all shove it up your arses before you escape to a first world country, your gdp will increase by 5 billion pounds. government services are not calculated by their actual economic benefit, only what's spent.
>loosing more money from the EU
oh no, not this again. you're a sizeable net receiver, this is a fact. there's no point making up statistics to try and deny it.
>>59924885
I'm a jew visitting Auschwitz you dumb asstralian emu fucker.
>>59918255
lel
>>59925270
>if you're compared to normal nations like the UK, you're utter shit.
Haha funny, especially when considering that British architecture is literally ugly shit.
>>59925270
>You don't even know how GDP is calculated mate.
I know how its calculated, and it's not calculated by how much money you throw at something, but it's the total cost of services and goods produced.
>>59925270
>you're a sizeable net receiver, this is a fact.
Actually no, Poland not is a receiver since 2015 as calculations show. >>59917890 That's why Poland should leave the EU as soon as possible.
>>59925281
thats even worse :::::::::::D
>>59925560
>suddenly brings up architecture
????
>poolish chain of thought lmao
or is it side stepping the fact that pooland is shit?
>total cost of services and goods produced
government services don't have a marketable price you idiot, this is why the amount of money spent is calculated. why are you so dumb, why were you not euthanised at birth you literal animal
>muh meme map in backwards language disproves a national newspaper with credible sources
polish intellectualism strikes again
>>59916423
Another "HAHA LOOK LET'S ALL GANG ON FUCKING POOLACKS XDD" thread.
What the fuck is wrong with you.
>>59925560
>because we dont receive more than we give we should leave
You what mate?
That is the tolerance of europe. In bad times such as the recent economic ciris and the recent refugee crisis you pay more and in good times you receive more.
You cant just join and expect to only receive.
>>59926091
>You cant just join and expect to only receive.
But where is your "HAHA FUCKING LEECHES" argument if we literally pay more than we get?
I always see Dutch being most butthurt in threads like that. What's up with that?
>>59926250
you don't pay more than you get
>>59925913
>>suddenly brings up architecture
Then what do you mean by "backward swamp" if not infrastructure and architecture?
>>59925913
>government services don't have a marketable price you idiot,
They are still valued at their market value you retard in GDP.
>>59926091
Get cucked.
>>59926318
We do. >>59917890
>>59926331
>what do you mean
I mean having a decent standard of living, and money. both of which you don't have
Government services are not sold. The marketable price is subjective, therefore economists don't try and estimate the marketable price. it's completely down to the cost.
>Consider the Keynesian idea of burying £5 notes in bottles in mineshafts and having the private sector dig them up, or Krugman’s proposal to stage a fake alien invasion to boost anti-alien defence spending. Both would boost GDP, but neither would add to worthwhile economic activity. There are better ways to measure whether policies are conducive to wealth creation. If we take total government expenditure out of GDP calculations, then the resulting measure, Gross Private Product (GPP), gives us a much better idea of worthwhile economic activity.
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/economics/yes-we-like-this-idea-from-liam-fox
>>59926350
This doesn't prove anything. Literally could be done in paint, isn't based on anyone credible. I can draw two bars on my own, post it, and claim the pooland is a net contributor of 500 billion euros, doesn't make it true.
Good thread.
You actually like us right?
>>59926666
>This doesn't prove anything
Of course it doesn't.
It wasn't made by pro-UE people.
>>59926736
No.
>>59926867
I asked actual people not L*thuanians.
>>59926666
>I mean having a decent standard of living,
Poland has an decent European style of living, but not great like in Germany, France or the UK with cuck welfare.>>59926666
>Government services are not sold. The marketable price is subjective, therefore economists don't try and estimate the marketable price. it's completely down to the cost.
Not market place services are not counted as GDP, and some government services are valued at their current market place value.
>Other things not included in the GDP are government social security and welfare payments, current exchanges in stock and bonds, and changes in the values of financial assets. Since GDP measures the market values of goods and services, economic activities that do not pass through the regular market channels are excluded in the computation of GDP. GDP doesn't include activities that go on in black market channels. This is particularly important to note when looking at third world countries that may have a significant part of their economy involved in the sale of black market goods, in which case their level of productivity would not be accurately reflected by looking at GDP.
Porandu same never mind, that faggots are trying to make you hurt but I love you nya
>>59926969
Poland has a shit style of living, literal cockroaches, that's why thousands are escaping.
Jesus, i've just linked something by an economic think tank, yet you still persist with making shit up. Government services are calculated by cost, and not marketable value. You're making it up, it is objectively false. There's no point trying to lie about it.
>>59927225
>Poland has a shit style of living, literal cockroaches, that's why thousands are escaping.
We search for jobs in the West because we have such possibility and because of this: >>59925403
It is not really about standard of life in majority of cases, although some people who move out from shitty villages in Eastern Poland may do it to improve their standard of life indeed
>>59927225
>Poland has a shit style of living,
To it doesn't.
>that's why thousands are escaping.
Because you could earn 3-4 times as much money in a neighbouring country and theoretically retire 3-4 times as fast when you return.
>Government services are calculated by cost, and not marketable value.
Costs that are not at their marketable value are not counted into the GDP.
GDP is literally the measurement OF MARKET VALUE GOODS AND SERVICES.
>>59927454
>and theoretically retire 3-4 times as fast when you return.
Yeah, practically everyone whom i know and who resides in UK has NIN number, nobody works illegally. Everyone wants to have two retirements: Polish ones and Western one. Even if you work for 10 years in the West, you will have the same retirement as if you worked in Poland for 30 years.
>>59925118
>I hope Poland leaves the EUSSR as soon as possible. Good that more and more Poles are becoming more sceptical to this bureaucratic abomination.
As song as we can suck money from it, it is unrealistic. Poland sucked barely half of all EU funds reserved for us: around 100 bln euro out of 230 bln. I hope that EU won't disintegrate before we suck it all.
Anyways, if you compare our EU funds with money that Eastern Germany received from Western Germany in last 20 years (around 2 trillion euro), it is nothing indeed. But it is better to have than to not have.
>>59918519
the poorest southern european would still be an arabian sheik compared to the average slovakian
>>59928669
>t. poor southern monkey detected.
>>59919552
> milionòw dolaròw
Don't know why it makes me laugh
>>59916423
>why is poland so fucking useless lmao
Communism. Not even once.
>>59928773
Why? And it's milionów dolarów amigo.
>>59928279
>around 2 trillion euro
If we are honest now, that's exactly what Germany should pay to Poland for WW2. Poland was fucked twice after war. First one, when USA offered Marshall Plan to Poland but soviets that occupied our country said: "no, Poland doesn't need capitalist money, Poland needs friendship of soviet nation". It was first time when we could gather huge money on reconstruciton but get literally nothing.
Second time was in 60s when Germany was paying billions of reparations to victims of nazi crimes, mainly Jewish people. They offered the same reparations to catholic and Jewish Poles living in communist Poland. Around 20% of our citizens could live like in paradise, but communist rulers said: "No, thank you, we forgive you for what you did to us and we resign from your reparations".
That's how Poland was fucked. We lost 30% of population during war (3,7 mln of Polish Jews and 2,3 mln of Polish catholics), most of our country was turned into a fucking black hole and steaming pile of rubble. 45 years of communism pauperized us so much that in 1990 we were poorer than Bulgaria.
If you look at this all misfortunes, our EU funds seem to be barely a handout.
>>59928926
Let's not forget who caused the misery. UK and America.
Germans and Russians were just tools.
>>59929061
Bullshit, it's a jewish civil war
Germans and Russians were just tools.
>>59928926
>(3,7 mln of Polish Jews and 2,3 mln of Polish catholics),
-- 3mln Polish Jews and almost 3 mln Polish Catholics
>>59928669
Bitch harder, fucking Greeks have less purchasing power than us now.
>>59929135
UK and America are the biggest goys of global jews though.
>>59929186
I secretly hate Germans so much.
>>59929373
But Jews the most and their subjects.
>>59929378
>secretly
>>59929373
Of course you must ridicule Poland now with your antisemitism, /pol/tard, as if Poland didn't suffer from antisemitism enough in previous century
>>59929454
Jews hate Poland retard lmao.
>>59929454
le antisemite XDDD back to /pol/
You fucking imbecile. Normal Jews suffered because of global zionists from UK and America. When Poland reported to America that Holcaust is hapening, they laughed at us and told us to fuck off.
Why do you think that happened?
>>59929454
Oh shut the fuck up.
>>59929504
Most Jews don't give the slightest fuck about Poland, those Jews who live in Poland love Poland and those who hate us are businessmen who want money and they are a tiny minority. Cut this bullshit
>>59929520
>. Normal Jews suffered because of global zionists from UK and America. When Poland reported to America that Holcaust is hapening, they laughed at us and told us to fuck off.
It may be true but it doesn't mean that you can use here word "Jew" in such disrespectful manner.
>>59929540
>>59929608
hello
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky3rDhH4h4o
>>59929608
>doesn't mean that you can use here word "Jew" in such disrespectful manner.
I think at this point just saying the word "Jew" is offensive to them.
Should I get offended when someone calls me a Pole?
>>59929632
> Israelis
Yeah, if you talk about those who dislike Poland, use word "Israelis" instead, it may be more accurate
>>59929540
>those Jews who live in Poland love Poland
Top kek!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynAwAbk8VJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6UVJsk1VcA
>>59929699
Urban is a commie, he laughs at Jewishness and ridicules it as well.
>>59927386
Poland is pretty shit, i've been once and it's not nice at all. It was weird seeing the abject poverty on white people, quite shocking.
>claims western countries
have 3-4 times higher living costs
>also claims that it has 3-4 times higher incomes
>thinks you can retire 3-4 times quicker
this is not how maths words friendo.
>MARKETABLE VALUE
shouting doesn't make your point any more valid mate. government goods are not valued by economists when put into the GDP, it's about the cost.
>>59929729
>commie
No shit, he's a Jew.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkKJmPsV4Tc
>>59929909
>>thinks you can retire 3-4 times quicker
When you save and return back to Poland where living costs are 2-3 times less with your savings you retard.
>>59929540
>Jews who live in Poland love Poland
you just made this up
>>59929909
Abject poverty? Maybe with gypsies. I find it funny when Western Europeans or Americunts call something "poverty". Like 90 percent of your "poor" have multiple PCs, DVD players and air conditioning, of course you have a warped view of poverty. I posted what "abject poverty" actually means. Commieblocks are not "abject poverty" because they actually contain normal people as opposed to niggers.
>>59929909
>Poland is pretty shit, i've been once and it's not nice at all. It was weird seeing the abject poverty on white people, quite shocking.
Oh my god, that's horrible. Where you exactly been? :D
>>59918519
I was expecting slovenia from that level of butthurt and stupidity but i got slovakia instead... not that anyone knows or cares what's the difference between those two "countries"
>>59930020
You'd have savings proportional to living costs and incomes in the west, also considering taxes are a lot higher, both direct and indirect tax. This literally proves my point though, pooland is so shit, people have to leave for 20 odd years so they can actually earn a normal amount of money
>>59930412
This is what you think abject poverty means. This just illustrates the difference in living standards between you and me.
>>59930436
krakow
>>59930516
So you been to Kraków and you saw "abject poverty"? Hard to believe it. I lived in UK for some time (birmingham), and to be honest, i saw more bums and poverty that i could ever seen in the city where i currently live (Wrocław). I don't really think that Kraków is much worse.
>>59930589
Yes, it's abject, it would be humiliating to lower myself to live at that level. No wonder pooland has a high suicide rate
>>59930703
I think that you never been to Poland and you are making things up now, kid.
Suicide rate for Poland is quite normal, lower than in France f.e. Maybe you don't kill yourself because you are accustomed to live in shitty small row-houses in neighborhoods that look like dens
>>59930703
dude you sound salty, are you the guy that stalked those 2 polish girls and got a restraining order?
>>59930516
Many Poles don't leave to earn "normal" amounts of money, but to earn abnormal amounts of money faster while saving.
It would hypothetically be comparable to British people migrating to some near x country where they would earn 3 times as much as they would earn in Britain etc for thee same job. If there were such countries close to Britain, you think many lower/middle class Brits wouldn't do that?
>>59918812
Gdp is abosolutely irrelevant
Ylu should messare EU funds to polish govermment budget...and since 70% of goverment budget are pensions, social service etc. these EU funds are absolutely huge for polish economy
Its basicly 10bn € of direct investments to polish infrastructure
Polacks are retarded, EU funds helps a lot
>>59930889
This is nearly double the UK's rate. I'm not saying suicide rate is a measure of living standards, simply that i understand why many people do
>>59930894
>dude
foy. and no.
>>59930928
cleaning toilets doesn't make ''abnormal'' amounts of money mate, sorry to let you down. This hypothetical situation is pointless, there is no country in the world where you can work the same menial job and earn 3 times the amount of money than at home. The UK is by no means rich, but is not comparable to pooland
>>59919441
>>59919552
go home
>>59931098
>these EU funds are absolutely huge for polish economy
Not even close.
>Its basicly 10bn € of direct investments to polish infrastructure
No it's not.
>>59931098
>Polacks are retarded, EU funds helps a lot
And you're retarded.
>>59930889
I think he is a troll. And he assumes things about my living standard. My family actually owns a decent small business that I help to maintain and we live in a nice, big house. On the other hand, I was in London and saw plenty of rundown parts and also a shitton of muslim peddlers and beggars.
>>59931167
>This hypothetical situation is pointless,
No it's not, and would that mean that British living standards would be shit compared to that country? No, it would only mean that that country has other salaries compared to their living costs.
>>59931167
>there is no country in the world where you can work the same menial job and earn 3 times the amount of money than at home.
For Poles there is - Germany, Britain, Norway etc.
poland seems pretty smart
takes money from EU
upgrades all shit
doesn't want to be in EU anymore
creates Warsjaw shore with juiceheads and sluts
win - win for everyone
>>59931175
Your budget is now -3%/GDP in the situation when your economy is growing...
Without EU funds there would be no money for infrastructure projects
Or you can borrow some but than your buget would be -6%, so bad credit(C+) and hello greece
>>59931349
For your average salary of €756 in Poland you could earn, doing the same job, €2330 in Britain, then return where the living costs are 3 times as low while living standards are quite decent = profit.
>implying Poland is playing the long con trying to bankrupt the EU
>>59931167
Man, i am somebody who lived in UK, besides i know a lot of people who live there and i know how their complain about high cost of living, lack of good jobs and shitty salaries.
Most of Poles do a lot of tricks to be able to save money there, like living in the same flat/house with other Poles f.e. If you think that your country is such a candy, you are mistaken. Your government sees how many Poles come back from UK to Poland, how this emigration looks (it is usually rotational, not permanent), how much money they transfer to Poland instead of spending/investing in British economy - that's why they are not very fond of Poles, you know?
>>59931478
>Your budget is now -3%/GDP in the situation when your economy is growing...
GDP is 2% of GDP, it's nothing, and it's not relevant.
>Without EU funds there would be no money for infrastructure projects
Ehh, EU aid amounts for like 30-60% of major infrastructural projects in Poland, the rest is paid by the Polish population from taxes. It would only mean that some projects would take longer to build, 2-4 years more to gather the capital.
Removing EU aid from Poland wouldn't mean that nothing would be built, they would still be building, just at a slower pace.
>>59931349
>For poles there is
Yes, that's the main point of this whole thing. Pooland is very poor and has low standards of living.
>>59931603
>lack of good jobs and shitty salaries
literally anyone with a half decent degree or a useful trade can get a job
>>59931657
2.7%...close to dangerous 3% and this while your economy is booming
Imagine recession in poland and you will be like Greece(-10-15% budget)
30-60%???
Yeah nah...source pls
In most cases(highways, trains) its 80%
>>59931794
Jesus, mate, you act as if you were trying to persuade all Poles on this imageboard that we all should move to UK because Poland is such a horrible shit, at the same time your government and your political parties say that we "take your jobs" and create whole generations of hobos and losers living on a dole. You should finally make up your mind about this: are you a country with unlimited amount of jobs that can be taken by "poor Poles" or are you a shithole where "all jobs are already taken".
>>59931804
>Imagine recession in poland and you will be like Greece(-10-15% budget)
That's up to the bankers and their game, they could to that to any debt based country (almost all).
>>59931804
>Yeah nah...source pls
It's on the EU signs tard.
>>59931804
>In most cases(highways, trains) its 80%
Very few projects are 80%, and in generally smaller ones.
>>59931804
I think that you overexaggerate influence of "EU-funds" on our economy.
We take barely 4 bln euro netto / year from EU. At the same time we spend 20 bln dollar on gas/oil from Russia and 12 bln dollar on our army. It is not such a big amount of money if you compare it with size of our economy. It is less than 1% of our GDP. If we lost it, we would barely feel it.
The only pain that we could really feel would be banning Poles from working abroad. It generates much more gain for Poland than EU funds
>>59931907
i do want poles to come to england. it makes things cheaper and much more convenient for me. i don't dislike poles, i'm simply saying poland is very poor and has low standards of living, as well as being pretty dependant on the EU even though poles are one of the most vocal people when it comes to euroscepticism. immigration is said to have minimal effects on unemployment, it's the lump of labour fallacy
>>59932094
If you don't want Poles to come to UK, stop advertizing your shithole as a paradise then. That's a good-uncle advice ;)
>>59932138
are you actually autistic. read the reply again, i want more poles to come to england.
>>59932185
Ah yeah, shit, sorry. I read it wrong. OK, if you want Poles to arrive to your shithole, you are doing good now. Don't forget to vote "no" for Brexist as well ;)
>>59932230
Brexit*, sorry ;)
>>59932230
>poles escaping their shit hole to come to another supposed shit hole
hmmm yes
I'm voting to leave Tbh
>>59931794
>Pooland is very poor and has low standards of living.
Lower salaries and LOWER costs of living doesn't necessarily mean a country is poorer than a country with a higher salaries and HIGHER costs of living, nor that it has lower standards of living. And no, Poland has more or less a decent standard of living, shit standards of living are in Ukraine or Russia.
>>59932312
>I'm voting to leave Tbh
So that's openly contradicts your pro-Polish-migrants and pro-immigration views then! :D
If you do Brexit, you will lose most of Poles who will move to Germany for a change, and you won't have a chance on new waves ;)
>>59932349
>pooland has more or less decent standard of living
for you, yes, this is because you're polish. i couldn't imagine living as a pole, i wouldn't want have such low standards of living.
>>59932371
>the only factor in the decision to leave is polish migration
poles are just proving themselves to be dumb as fuck left, right and centre today.
>Ability to make your own trade agreements
>lower regulations
>abolishment of inefficient subsidies
>save money in monetary payments
the list goes on. You can have immigration without being in the EU, but i don't expect a dumb pole to understand that concept.
>>59932547
>the list goes on. You can have immigration without being in the EU, but i don't expect a dumb pole to understand that concept.
But you need visa for it. Before 2004, most of you barely heard about any Polish man living in UK because we needed visas to get there. We are in your country only thanks to EU. if you get out from EU, you will have to face consequences in matter of Polish migration as well. Germany is welcoming as never :D
According to Work Service’s report “Poles’ labor migration,” as much as 34 percent of Polish citizens would choose Germany as the country to emigrate and work in. It is the second time when the majority of Poles have expressed their inclination for labor emigration to Germany instead of the UK
http://wbj.pl/work-service-34-of-poles-choose-germany-for-labor-migration/
>>59920299
Not refuting it, you are like the Albanians.
Running around proclaiming Albania is SO great but not having the balls to actually live there.
>>59932669
This is because of visa restrictions. Simply lower visa requirements on EU states and immigrants will escape from third world countries as they are now.
>>59926034
The thing is you are easy to bait.
Polish defense force IS a thing.
The Fingols and Australians are so good at banting becuase they can bear it with grace.
>>59932781
If Poles keep all their rights and privileges they have now, sure, they won't move out. But if you get out from EU and it will fuck up Schengen laws, most Poles will have to choose other host, in this scenario probably Sweden or Germany
>>59932817
>The Fingols
They're even more butthurt than Italians.
>>59929378
>>59929186
>Secretly.
Andd thats why I dislike you.
You hate Russians,Germans, British and french.
EVERYBODY is at fault for the state of poland.
>>59917088
Because Mr. Leaf, Germany are investing on their future land instead of taking it by force.
Already most of the Polish economy belongs to Germany, so next step is to start focusing on progpaganda so people see that UE they would fail in every aspect.
And of course 70-80% of all media in Poland are in German hands.
>>59932851
I only got Sprölölölös and :^)s as reactions.
>>59932817
>Polish defense force IS a thing.
Huh? Most Poles are overcritical about Poland. But if somebody says something against facts, we feel obliged to correct it. If you say that Poland has 3x lower salaries than the West, yeah, we can agree on it. But if somebody tries to say here that Poland is "third world country" and stuff like this, it is a defamation and trolling.
>>59932829
You're really not understanding what i'm saying are you. If you lower visa requirements, this effects and increases people coming in, not just allowing people to stay. The UK isn't in Schengen so i don't know what you're harping on about there.
>>59932185
why, are you stupid
10 years from now, europe will be muslim and native europeans will be dead. Meanwhile, we will be growing. Until then, let's just do our own thing and ignore cucks. We really went a long road, and we shouldn't give a fuck what some fat dude with bad teeth thinks of us.
>>59932944
But thats the thing, everybody knows that Poland is not a 3rd world country.
Thats the autism we get so much credit for.
Everybody knows Poland is not a third world country.
Imagine I would get angry everytime I would get called a nazi or they talk about germany wanting to take over europe (again).
>>59932893
>And of course 70-80% of all media in Poland are in German hands.
Yet in 2004 85% of banks in Poland were based on foreign capital, today it is barely 50% :D
You surely heard howling of EU, free-media organisations and so on about new Polish laws thanks to which government will be able to buy off and control critical media in Poland?
That's barely a beginning, i am afraid :(
>>59932978
>more services for me
>pushes down wages for the poor
>cheaper services as a result
my poopoo will be cleaned for cheaper ;)
seriously, I don't mind helping out Poland.
But it would be nice if they appreciated our monetary contributions. Or at least didn't hate us. That would be really nice
>>59933108
>But it would be nice if they appreciated our monetary contributions. Or at least didn't hate us.
We can't say "thank you", because money that we get is too small. I am not even kidding now. Read this, it puts things in right perspective: >>59928926
>>59933077
do you have your own manner in a village or something
