How come there are still BRs that support this government, it became clear the intent to literally disrupt any investigation towards the politicians involved and to clearly sell their oil towards foreign companies. Are BRs here this delusional to support this government without any consequences? Do you guys want corrupts in office because just they aren't "commies" and pro-globalism?
>According to the newspaper, after Mr. Machado said prosecutors were trying to use him to get to Mr. Jucá and others, the then-Senator responded in the recording that a political solution was necessary and that Ms. Rousseff had to be impeached, because a new government was needed to “stop the bleeding” caused by the so-called Car Wash corruption probe.
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/344231-rousseff-coup-brazil-oil/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36365781
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-politics-idUSKCN0YE1K7
http://www.wsj.com/articles/brazils-new-planning-minister-says-he-will-stay-in-office-1464021778
>>59866295
Jucá is out of the government already, he was ousted.
Based Dilma!
>>59866314
yes, but it was your president that appointed him, and he clearly said that Temer was the solution to the Car-Wash problem
>>59866295
>Do you guys want corrupts in office because just they aren't "commies" and pro-globalism?
y e s
>>59866337
It's these times that I wonder how strong our propaganda is
>>59866358
Very
>>59866358
not strong enough
>>59866400
Well we just got the fifth biggest country in the world to submit to our interests, I think it's pretty strong 2bh
>>59866295
>these sources
Yeah fuck off.
>>59866330
And Temer kicked him out very soon, he didn't try to cover his ass like the WP did. I must also remember you this, among other things:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-36326186
The Worker's Pary was a literal kanker in Brazil, leeching off everything.
>>59866337
Hardly the point. Brazilians are xenophobic, feed them nationalism and they will eat it, feed them too much foreign meddling and they will eat you.
>>59866435
>WSJ
>BBC
literally the 2 biggest services of media in the world
>>59866295
Everyone knew the corrupt crooks would try to use the impeachment in their favour.
That still doesn't make it a coup.
The impeachment was perfectly legal and the vast majority of people supported it.
What's happening is that the corrupt crooks are throwing their own friends under the bus to try to save themselves so in the end it's just a net gain in the combat against corruption, what you are seeing is a cornered animal doing a last-ditch effort to survive.
>>59866462
Yeah, pointing out coups where there's any. Guess they'll say that Venezuela is a free and prosper country too?
>>59866420
fuck it, let's just keep on going and see what happens
>>59866514
>>59866472
Come on, we know it was a "coup". It was a motion of no confidence given by the congress. Something inherently linked to Parliamentarism (that's why we saw so many senators talking about it), but not to Presidentialism.
>>59866420
Do you really believe in this? Don't be naive.
>>59866578
People think that we're having some Cuba-tier govt change here. I mean yeah shit got so bad that even corrupts are starting to do something to balance the economy before everything goes to shit. Like >>59866472 said, they're killing each other, that's good before that automatically digs out a lot of shit.
Fuck i'm probably get to work in this case when i manage to join PF in three years.
>>59866295
These bitches never again.
meu deus vocês são realmente militantes sem menor senso de racionalidade. Ainda me pergunto porque escuto vocês.
>>59866472
>The impeachment was perfectly legal and the vast majority of people supported it.
>>59866785
t. vira-lataesquerdopagapatomarinabolsolulapetistacomunapatosilvassauro
>>59866578
Impeachment is basically a motion of no confidence anyway, just requiring a lot more votes than in the parliamentarism. Anyone can submit the process and it's very hard to not incur in any administrative violation (which the worker's party used for every president), and it's a judgement by politicians.
I only wish when the reelection law was created they updated the impeachment law, it would be much more pleasant for everyone if this impeachment officially included 2014.
>>59866849
isso, todos que não concordam com aquilo que você pensa são esquerdistas militantes. Realmente...
>>59866295
I didn't give a fuck about the hues in the past and i'm not gonna give a fucks now.
>>59866435
Sim, elas só prestam quando é pra falar bem daquilo você acredita né :^)
everyone we put in office will be corrupt, i'd rather choose a capitalist pro-market corrupt than a commie corrupt who wanted to turn us into venezuela 2.0
also, this is "let me tell you about your country" thread
>>59866961
So you have no regards about the law at all?
>>59866936
You don't care about anything that happens in the world apart from yourselves 2bh
>>59867021
I dont even give a fuck about myself tbqh so yeah...
>>59867047
Why should we tho?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7gQuNRdYZ4
>>59867139
because they are people just like you?
>>59866650
>People think that we're having some Cuba-tier govt change here
I would personally supervise the execution of most if not all politicians who were members of this government, including Mrs. Rousseff. Rio was probably the hardest hit State in the country because of the mismanagement of Petrobras.
What foreign media says is of little concern to me, the people that matters know better.
I really dont care anymore, i already lose hope on brazilian people, we have a dumb population beyond measures
>>59866295
More shit for Brazil = okay with me
Temer'a government made it less than 2 weeks lmao
>>59866435
t. Butthurt right winger who promised his friends that Temer's government is good
>>59866437
This is like the head Senator of the Democratic Party being convicted of corruption two weeks after Obama claimed he was the savior of the economy.
And the reason he was dropped is because the evidence is clear as day.
Petrobras was so murky that no one, even prodecutors, knew who was guilty until 2014-2015.
Stop trying to claim this government is cleaner just because it got caught red handed easier.
>>59867148
Well shit son what am i supposed to do?
>>59867319
I don't know just care about them and if you got power do something towards it, at least that's how I think kek
>>59866472
>The impeachment was perfectly legal and the vast majority of people supported it.
Then why did so many politicians, including the head of the house, oppose its legality?
Also, how does this make Temer's corrupt cabinet better?
>>59866702
>never again
Wouldn't be so sure about Dilma.
>>59867340
>>59866702
>never again
Wouldn't be so sure about Dilma. >>59866961
>everyone we put in office will be corrupt, i'd rather choose a capitalist pro-market corrupt
Yes yes blatant corruption to remove presidents is okay.
Liberia was exactly that. Pro-America, pro-right wing economics, and pro-corruption.
It's still a shithole worse than NK.
>>59867393
i liek yu finlan :D
>>59867342
>head of the house
Hahahahahaahahahahahahahaaha, LMAO. the lower house is a mess and the new speaker is barely literate. If you want to see the elite of the Brazilian political class, look at the senate, it's where the power emanates from.
>>59866702
Kill it with fire them and Maduro, Lula, Correa, Castro, Peña Nieto and the rest of faggots
>>59866295
>let me tell you about your country
t. random foreigner who don't actually give two shits for brazilian domestic issues
>>59867342
The majority of politicians supported it which is what made it pass to begin with.
>>59867464
yes, our politicians truly represent our country :^) People sure trust them :^) They didn't do it just to save their asses
>>59867296
>Stop trying to claim this government is cleaner
Not claiming that, just stating the fact that Temer didn't cover him, something that was commonplace with the WP.
>>59867428
I dont even know what the fuck is going in in brazil but the way i look at it. There are too many people on this planet, even in Finland with 5,4 million is getting pretty non-chill but getting bigger? No thanks.
So basically rest of the world is pretty fucked anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N4mk3H42Ko
>>59867496
>something that was commonplace with the WP.
Then why Dilma got Impeached, why did the federal police got so much strenght to literally destroy her party? kek you are so biased that's not even funny you guys are truly drones
>Are BRs here this delusional to support this government without any consequences?
i blame Globo
>>59867342
>Then why did so many politicians, including the head of the house, oppose its legality?
Those who are against the impeachment would naturally question everything include it's legality. The first and only impeached president also claimed it was a coup. And then he voted in favor of Dilma's impeachment with a discourse of "I warned you, I warned about the impeachment".
>Also, how does this make Temer's corrupt cabinet better?
It doesn't. Although Dilma had 19 investigated ministers, 6 when she finished her mandate, while Temer now has 2 investigated plus 1 just fired and 4 mentioned in car wash but not investigated.
>>59867464
>75% of the politicians under investigation
>most important member of the senate caught on tape saying that the impeachment will save his and his friends asses
>oh no no no, these are perfectly legitimate politicians!
>>59866295
Funnily enough, Temer is acting all relaxed and chill, while in reality his last hope for the Brazilian economy is American investers investing billions in Brazil. it's either that or Brazil sinks faster than a piece of turd.
>>59866295
so what?
better dead than red
>>59867574
so if Temer really wanted to stop corruption from breeding and leeching the government why did he even nominate people investigated?
>>59867619
>it's either that or Brazil sinks faster than a piece of turd.
so when can we watch live streams of civil war and shit?
>>59867496
>he didn't cover him
When did WP cover their corrupt people?
All Temer has done is make the only choice he could. The case is blatantly obvious corruption.
Petrobras was not just WP. It was the whole government and many of the parties.
Prosecutors didn't even accuse anyone until 2015, and no BLATANTLY OBVIOUS corruption was presented to the public.
It's like the Republicans claiming Clinton should be dropped for corruption with her email scandal. Yes, there can be more corruption that is not seen, but the public isn't allowed to see it until the investigation is over.
Hence why WP, and the Democrats haven't dropped their support for their accused politicians.
You are making a false equivalence.
>>59867648
If there's one thing hues hate more than working it's having uncomfy protests.
Never gonna happen.
>>59867574
Yes and Temer has been in power for less than two weeks while Dilma was in office for more than 6 years.
At this rate, Temer won't even have people to hire.
>>59867641
Because he needs support of the congress to get anything done, and the most influent politicians there are corrupt.
>>59867619
>stock market of Brazil and real crashing again like it's 2015
12 day honeymoon hahaha
isis could do us a favor and bomb the hell out of Brasilia
>>59866295
>one of the world's largest countries by both size and population has a confirmed coup
>barely even makes the news here
>>59867662
>When did WP cover their corrupt people?
He probably means Mercadante, though there were many other investigated by car wash that she did nothing about, like Jacques Wagner and Edinho Silva. Plus Lula which she invited with extreme urgency exactly when there was risk of him being arrested.
>>59867701
so as long as shit gets done it doesn't matter if a person steals tons of monies?
>>59867717
You guys need a new election, and corporations and prosecutors that are not financially connected to the right wing.
Same for the courts which favor the left wing.
Honestly, just take every politician currently elected and shoot them. It'd probably be better for leftists and rightists in the long run.
>>59867775
rouba mas faz :^)
>>59867694
And in 2 weeks he fired more investigated ministers at car wash than Dilma in this whole mandate.
>>59867701
>>59867775
or even stop an investigation that wants to stop corruption that plagues our country and it was one of the main reasons that she got impeached
>>59867798
>Dilma hasn't fired nobody
top fucking kek you guys are drones
>>59867758
Haven't seen like any news from it on any finnish site. Even when the bitch got removed.
>>59867296
>got caught red handed easie
It's not cleaner in any way
It's just supposedly more eficient than the latter due time constraints and vast legislative support in such a way that it becomes so much easier to kick in the important kinds of economic reforms we are in desperate need for right now. Wether this is*actually* gonna happen and in which degree this is a talk for another time, but the initial point stands.
Last government not only drove us to such dramatic deficit but lost itself all the way through the political chess. Had Dilma survived the impeachment process, the country would've remained in prolongued catarsis as result.
You foreigners are trully clueless.
>>59867772
Where was the evidence of BLATANT CORRUPTION?
The prosecutors announced investigations, but they don't release evidence until later.
WP dropped support for the politicians that were shown by evidence to be corrupt. WP isn't retarded.
The evidence here was announced by a private newsgroup. Not prosecutors.
Which is hilarious considering it shows either bias by the prosecutors in missing Temer's right hand man, or incompetence.
Was Lula arrested? Or is it all a political attack by right wingers?
>>59867831
yes, austerity and privatization of our oil will save our economy
>>59867783
>corporations that are not financially connected to the right wing.
lol good luck with that
>>59867775
Well, it's still a step up if he does that just like Dilma but still gets shit done.
>>59867806
True, she had to fire all her ministers in this mandate, so I take it back.
>>59867806
>>Dilma hasn't fired nobody
Where did you see this said Mr. Autist?
>>59867821
Because it's not Finland, but Brazil.
>>59867821
I only found out from being subscribed to a youtube political pundit who analyses international news. He's been covering the Venezuelan political crisis too which hasn't gotten so much as a mention in any of the major newspapers here.
>>59867846
Don't know if this was ironic or not, but I never implyied such thing even thought some privatization strategies are very welcome indeed from a strategically economic standpoint
>>59867863
yes, it's a step up to go back when the federal police had no power over politicians
>>59867884
>>59867863
>And in 2 weeks he fired more investigated ministers at car wash than Dilma in this whole mandate.
I didn't quote you, Temer has fired one minister while Dilma in her two mandates changed ministers so much in the beginning of her mandate that the media called her a pussy and a weak government
>>59867831
And now Temer's government is going to be A LOT less capable of doing things. The man who just got fired is the mastermind behind the Senate impeachment. He is who was going yo help pass the bills for Temer.
Lmao.
You right wingers were making so much fun of the left wing just two weeks ago. Now you're left with the same shit in a deeper hole.
Tick tock.
Dilma and Temer and many others are corrupt.
>>59867832
>Where was the evidence of BLATANT CORRUPTION?
If you're going to pull the "innocent until proven guilty" neither had any already condemned minister. We got a lot of leaks and official releases to know many of the evidences.
>>59867884
Well they still write about trumpet every other day so wtf?
Fuck this gay earth :DD
>>59867863
He just lost the most important man with connections to the senate.
He isn't getting nearly as much done now.
>>59867920
he announced this today as his economical measures to save our country also he will destroy our pre-sal fund that was going to be used like it's used in Norway and will also take away our law that obliges a minimal investment in education and healthcare
>>59867897
http://m.baka.com.au/world/venezuela-president-declares-emergency-amid-fears-country-is-headed-for-meltdown-20160514-gov4wt.html
Are you shitposting?
>>59867920
Sometimes. Not like Petrobras would have been less corrupt on its own.
>>59867949
Jucá literally said word by word why they needed to impeach Dilma to save their asses. Meanwhile Mercadante didn't say shit
>>59868053
I don't live in Sydney m8, and when I've been perusing my local paper over the last few weeks I haven't seen anything. Today nothing either.
>only 12 days into acting presidency
>most important politician in Temer's cabinent is shown to corrupt
>gets fired because he is political toxin
It's like a freakshow in Brazil that just keeps getting worse.
>>59868084
Our Judiciary system is strong as hell
>>59868084
Wait until america gets a new president and then you're gonna see a shitshow. Especially if its trump xD
>>59868075
Yes and I see nothing about China's massive achievements in HDI, poverty reduction, and longer lifespans.
Doesn't mean there's a political agenda behind it.
Usually, places with mostly free media report on what makes the most money. In Australia, Venezuela is meaningless.
>>59868084
Meanwhile corruption scandals in America are just swept under the rug. :^)
>>59867943
So, all infantillity aside your point is that Juca was some kind of irreplaceable memeber of the government's hard core and without him all (if not most of the) governmental capabilities in succesfully approving laws fall apart. Did I understand it correctly?
I think you should stop creating these threads man
>>59867932
>yes, it's a step up to go back when the federal police had no power over politicians
You're changing the premise there, it was about getting shit done while allowing corruption. Not like Dilma didn't try with her "if I sniff a leak I'll change everyone" justice minister.
>>59867932
>Temer has fired one minister while Dilma in her two mandates
I was just talking about this mandate and not counting the ones that resigned when the base fragmented, by I was doing from memory so I might be wrong. Well, if the point is that she is handling better I can't agree though, since she also kept investigated and especially with the case of Mercadante and Lula.
>>59868108
>Clinton impeached within a year
>Trump invading Eurabia and allying with Russia
America 2017 on the left in this picture.
>>59868117
Brazil shouldn't be meaningless, as I said it's one of the world's largest countries and economies, currently undergoing serious political turmoil. It barely makes the news here and I'm pretty certain the average Aussie would have no idea it's even happening. Come to think of it we get basically no news from South America ever.
>>59868013
That's a bit problematic indeed.
Economy shouldn't take precedence over healthcare and education
>>59868125
We have mastered making corruption just efficient enough to keep the poor from rioting, and enough to make the rich richer.
What more is there to ask for?
>>59868152
>it was about getting shit done while allowing corruption.
so yeah, if things should get done not mattering how they should be done right? Not mattering the law not mattering anything right?
>Not like Dilma didn't try with her "if I sniff a leak I'll change everyone" justice minister.
then why didn't she order him to change everyone? it would literally save her
>>59868149
I didn't create the thread.
And yes, Juca is an extremely powerful politician in the senate.
Every US business analyst has said Temer has two hard choices. Keep a political toxin, or lose the ability to pass difficult reforms.
There's a reason the stock market and real shitted itself the last two days.
>>59868185
Brazil is a corrupt mess no one can figure out. Least of all Brazilians.
I honestly don't have an answer for you. They are far away?
>tfw you realize Brazil is hosting the 2016 olympics
(Tbf the world cup was good but that was 2014 and ever since 7-1 it's been all downhill, Germans are ruthless.)
>>59868056
>Meanwhile Mercadante didn't say shit
Mercadante very possibly commited a crime in that record, Juca didn't commit any, but clearly showed his character which is why he needed to go as well.
>>59868245
>then why didn't she order him to change everyone? it would literally save her
Because the federal police associations started entering with a ton of judicial procedures against him the day he made the comment.
>>59868304
>Mercadante very possibly commited a crime in that record, Juca didn't commit any
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS
>>59868335
why didn't she order him to do it as soon as he got the job?
>>59868185
>we get basically no news from South America ever.
So it happens in every other non SA country worldwide
>>59868249
Every brazilian bussiness analyst said as soon as the records leaked Juca was already politically dead, in such a way that Temer had no other choice but distance himself from him.
Answering my own rethorical question, yes the dude was very influential and his fall now serves as fuel for strong PCDoB / PT charges aggainst the interim government but his absence in the political field is in no way turning out to massive legislative scurry, as the ongoing plenary's session clearly demonstrates. If you were as knowledgeable/interested about brazilian politics as you seem to be you should be aware of this.
Out of curiosity, are you acually a brazilian overseas or something like that?
>>59868357
>HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS
That's what was mentioned by the supreme court so far, but then only Gilmar Mendes and Barroso commented on Jucá I think and not officially.
>why didn't she order him to do it as soon as he got the job?
I don't know if he would risk going to jail for her.
>>59868269
Everything is far away from Australia.
Anyway I didn't ask a question, I just made the statement and expressed mild surprise.
>>59868269
>Least of all Brazilians.
Yeah, I'm sure a gringo knows more about Brazil than Brazilians. Shm desu senpai.
>>59868403
Gilmar Mendes literally has just put away Aécio's investigation as soon as Temer got to power, while he didn't even hesitate to stop Lula becoming minister, he is clearly biased. Also one minister opinion doesn't count as the whole judiciary opinion. Also m8, if you think literally saying word by word "We need to stop Lava-Jato to save ourselves" isn't obstruction of justice, but saying "I can help Delcídio's family" is. You clearly doesn't follow reason
>>59868475
>Gilmar Mendes literally has just put away Aécio's investigation as soon as Temer got to power,
Except it was completely unrelated to Temer. When Teori Zavascky accepted the request from Janot, he decided since Furnas isn't related to Petrobras (like he did before with Eletrobras and Nuclebras) it was out of the scope of car wash. Then it was randomly selected a minister and he got Gilmar Mendes who is and has always been a protector of PSDB and a lot of other associated corrupt politicians.
Lesson of the day: Everyone is corrupt in Brazil, even the ones going after the corrupt officials. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
a bit out of topic but I just wanna vent that I'm just mightly happy to see Dirceu getting glassed yet again.
I actually know the guy more than I wanted to. He's extremely intelligent but crooked to the core
>>59868543
Is your Windows a pirated one?
>>59868592
if yes, following the impeachment logic, he should get death sentence
>>59868543
Kid. This shit is much more complex than your gringo headlines.
>>59868629
yes, corruption is acceptable when it suits my line of thought
>>59868624
It feels good to know that faggots like you are pissed because of this. How does it feel to watch your great leader being dethroned?
>>59868647
Cry me a river, faggot.
>>59868629
I know once you get a less socialist leaning dictator, it will be easier to invest in Brazil. All bets are on.
>>59868656
shit, but you soon feel that too, and I am not saying about Temer losing presidency too, but austerity measures that will literally throw our country back to 1980s, will destroy our international prestige, will literally sell everything that brazilians forgot that it was important and in the end the people will do just like greece and vote for those that gave them rights in the first place, but heck why that matters, our government isn't commie anymore!! HAHAHAHAH I AM SO HAPPY!!! MY MISERY HAS BEEN PUT DOWN HAHAHAHAHAHA DEATH TO COMMIES NOT MATTERING THE PRICE
>>59868745
Yes, keep crying. Your tears are delicious.
>>59868543
>Lesson of the day: Everyone is corrupt in Brazil, even the ones going after the corrupt officials. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not Mr. Jair Pocketmyth.
>>59868933
and yours will be even more
>>59868933
how does it feel being a US cuck? must feel pretty good swalling their cum right. I mean you get all that cheap stuff hahaha, it's a good feel right, also maybe you will be able to go to Disney easily now hahaha feels good right
