We should face the truth: the main question in Europe is national. This is what interests Europeans the most. It's obvious capitalists fooling the people:
Import cheap workforce -> ethnic tensions appear -> bring fascists to power -> remove democracy, establish direct rule of capital
In the end they can use divide and conquer tactics and nationalism to fool people, bash left wingers with approval by brainwashed people and steal shit, using cheap and opressed workforce. It's what we have in Russia now. History show us that people get tired eventually and make a revolution or overthrow fascists democratically but they would have times of hardship before it. All of that we have seen in Chile, Portugal and ton of other countries.
So to stop it, left wingers should become anti-immigration too.
Let me elaborate.
Let's look at a book "Marxism and national question" by Stalin.
The main purpose of the left wingers is to reduce ethnic tensions as much as possible so the people would look to the real enemy. How did we do it in USSR?
It was absolutely allowed to move throughout the Union, but actually those were mostly educated people, intellectuals who moved. It's very easy to go on with each other for educated people of different nations. Uneducated people stayed at home and get acquainted with the other peoples very gradually so ethnic tensions were minimal. Why? Because government created ton of jobs in any republic so you didn't have to go to the others to feed yourself.
Western capital performs the opposite: as said Marx, capitalism makes people move massively around the world, causing tensions, unrest and rise of nationalism which is highly beneficial for capital because of divide and conquer.
>>59829120
Atheists are all marxist faggots.
>>59829433
So what? Atheism is the only way from religious retardness.
>>59829511
This is why faggots and feminists love muslims and Sharia law and you can't do nothing about that.
>>59829537
No one likes sharia law. People stay against religious or racial opression because it divides people. Stop reading rightards.
>>59829729
Leftism is self-destructive. Leftism win votes on the basis of division and hatred. class conflicts, ethnic conflicts, oppressed and oppressors...
In the end they ALWAYS destroy the country like Venezuela if they aren't dictatorships.
>>59829917
Lol. Or they create paradise like Sweden.
Left wingers win votes only on class conflict and they try to diminish all the other conflicts, remove all opression so people would look at real enemies.
>>59829973
Economic freedom is strong in Sweden. Sweden is one of the most capitalists countries. Leftists hate it. Actually leftists are trying hard to destroy Sweden. Importing muslims, making Swedish males beta, femminism, banning Swedish flags on schools because it's oppresive, etc.
Sweden needs to stop them, so they will become another Venezuela.
>>>/pol/
You limp dicked armchair politicians.
>>59830078
Lol. Most of their industry is owned by government and they don't have really mass immigration right now (they had it during the economy boom in 70s-90s). I also find it funny that you call cultural changes "destruction". Culture is defined by your economy and industry development, you can't"destroy" it. I bet it's more comfy to live in a country with polite and gentle people than in violent shithole like Russia or Brazil. It's way more safe at least.
>>59829120
I don't disagree with the anticapitalist sentiment, but wasn't Marx some kind of transnational universalist?
>>59829328
>Let's look at a book by Stalin.
You're completely right but lol
>Let's look at this book by Darth Vader
>>59830519
Brazil is a violent shithole because of communists.
Muh opression, "the police is shit", "all people that complain about criminality is rich and oppresive class", "all criminals are victims"! And so on...
>>59830619
>because of communists
More like most of your population are poor and uneducated subhumans, and the rich are rich because they abuse the rampant corruption, just like here in Turkey. I don't see how communism caused that.
>>59830524
Read Communist Manifesto. Marx explained the development of capitalism and the processes caused by it. He also explained mass migrations of people caused by it and called for diminishing national tensions to concentrate on real problem.
>>59830803
Read my post again. Yes, it's because of communists. They make our laws soft and shit.
>>59830803
>and the rich are rich because they abuse the rampant corruption
Leftist logic = There are no lazy and mediocre people, there are no people that like to work. Only oppresion and massive corruption!
>>59830803
Let me explain it to you, Turkey-san.
The soil collects a lot of waste over time, feces, industrial pollution, emissions from cars, garbage not collected and so on. This waste seeps deeper towards the crust and pockets of compressed waste are created by the pressure. Microbes and bacteria in the earth are drawn to these pockets and thrive in them, feeding on the waste and growing and mutating over time. Eventually they are strong enough to crawl back to the surface. These mutated waste-creatures emerge throughout the year although the warmer the air the easier they find it to navigate towards the surface. Once out, they gravitate towards human settlements where they can find more waste to consume. And that's where poor people come from.
>>59831028
Literally the previous sentence I used called most of your population poor and uneducated, laziness is a subset of these qualities.
Are you actually suggesting most of big businessmen in your country got to where they are through pure hard work with no corruption at all?
>>59831141
>Are you actually suggesting most of big businessmen in your country got to where they are through pure hard work with no corruption at all?
This is why third world countries are third world countries.
Rich people don't like work. They are all corrupt and muh exploitation. Poor people aren't culpable of anything. Not even being criminals...
>>59831308
Jesus dude, you can't read my post without bias, why am I even arguing with you.
I fully support your sentiment comrade. To hell with the 'new' left, they have been subverted by liberalism and by uneducated leftcoms.
Are you a part of any party in Russia?
>its another episode of a monkey licking capitalist ass ignoring the fact his country is a dangerous shithole because of USA meddling
>>59831559
>russia
>voting
Putin and his friends are going to win whatever russians vote
>>59829973
>create paradise like Sweden
One of the most capitalist countries around
Rank 8: http://www.doingbusiness.org/rankings
Rank 26: http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
Doesnt appear here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states
>>59829120
Socialism/communism only brings missery and poverty, the regions were they have ruled for more than 30 years have the highest number of unemployment, corruption cases and poverty of the whole nation. There is no succesful socialist country, it didnt work in Germany! so imagine how bad it has to be
>>59831944
the parties function is not to get elected, that is irrelevant. If a communist party is voted in that is a rarity.
>>59831944
Didn't the democratically elected marxist communist party in Kerala make the state the most developed region of India?
>>59831652
USA fault, USA fault, USA fault... A country miles away from mine...
Please change the disc. It's so cliche...
>>59832587
>what is globalisation
>>59831308
M8 do you know anything about how social mobility even works? Poor people can't stop being poor without access to quality education, available jobs, good wages, and in general having opportunities. Even criminals will stay criminals without effective rehabilitation, the entire US is living proof that tough on crime policies don't work.
>>59832587
Iraq was pretty far from America too. Somehow the Yanks still managed to completely destroy the country. You see they have these inventions called airplanes and ships that allow people to travel great distances quickly, and they have telephones and Internet that allow instant communication at long distances.
>>59831559
This. Social issues are less important than the true struggle against the plutocrats and oligarchs of the world. While I have sympathy for minorities, issues that are specific to them are ultimately less important than issues that affect everybody like the robbing of our countries by neoliberalism.
>>59836633
They are important but the modern political discourse all over the world are fuckin identity policies. Everyone talk about the culture while barely touching real problems. If you make people wealthy no one would care about nationalism. The modern rise of the rightard populism is the result of economy crisis of late 00s which neoliberal governments were unable to resist. Who cared about national question in the West before, when they economies were okay?
>>59831944
>Socialism/communism only brings missery and poverty
Kek. USSR was great, for example.
ITT:
>people baited into a discussion with putin bots
USSR was shit.
Russia is shit.
Communism is shit.
Even the worst capitalism is still better than kleptocracy or totalitarianism.
Deal with it.
>>59837230
The issue is that the elites have deliberately created the meme that any alternative to capitalism is completely pointless and doomed to fail, so the left has had to rebrand themselves with social issues and identity politics and abandon their economic and anti-capitalist roots.
>>59837764
>2016
>not supporting worker owned capitalism based around co-operatives and soviets competing in a free market
>>59829120
>This is what interests Europeans the most
Where's your empirical data on that?
Also
>Liberalism doesn't work because of the people
What else is new?
>>59829120
Marx was a huge racist, Che was racist and and Anti gay. Ghandi was pro caste System and enjiyed killing Nigger in SA
>>59830078
>Economic freedom is strong in Sweden. Sweden is one of the most capitalists countries. Leftists hate it.
>>59838226
Lol. Marx was not a racist at all. He didn't like some countries (Russia for example) but had nothing against other peoples or races.
Che was not a racist. Some fags think that because he critiqued congolese guerrilla a lot but he called local soldiers and commanders morons, not the Congolese people at all.
Idk a lot about Ghandi but he was not a communist.
>>59837764
Of course it's better to live in a country with no economy or industry with almost all population moving to UK, lol.
>>59829537
Pleace have a nice trip to GULag.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Afghan_War
>>59839511
Read this you stupid Nigger communist.
He wanted to exterminate Russians and Slavs like Hitler and, supported slavery and used Nigger as insult
>>59839511
>Of course it's better to live in a country with no economy or industry with almost all population moving to UK, lol.
Haha, that's the point, it's still literally vastly better than living in Russia.
>>59844411
Link:
http://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/karl-marx-communist-leader-and-blatant-racist-18393/
>>59830519
>Most of their industry is owned by government
Can Russians literally not stop lying to further their narrative? Almost 70% is owned privately. Get your facts straight you commie piece of shit.
>>59844568
>http://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/karl-marx-communist-leader-and-blatant-racist-18393/
Have you ever tried to validate any of this quotes?
Its like all this crap about Einstein protecting believers but the only real quote about this:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
>>59831944
>Losing a Cold war only brings missery and poverty
Why do you always trying to deny this?
>>59837764
>I don't like communism, therefore all criticism of capitalism from the left is wrong
>Dialectics, dialectics fucking everywhere.
You bore the world to death all ready commies, there is no-one left to listen to your bullshit.
>>59837764
Perfect and consistent argumentation.
