Is Poland becoming a dictatorship?
What can we do to protect democracy in Poland?
>>59781367
Fuck off
>>59781385
european commission are critizising Poland for lack of demorcay. Things must be very serious
Yes, but you get scoffed at and beaten up for saying otherwise.
>>59781495
Hitler dismounted the government by the will of the people, as he was elected by them
Poland is doing the same
>>59781495
Fuck off. We had democracy when you were tribes butffucking each other and howling to the moon.
>>59781367
>democracy
what the kurwa is that ?
>>59781367
>being a member of the EU
>being a dictatorship
Pick one and one only
>>59781367
>protect democracy
fuck off
>Poland becoming a dictatorship
I very wish
>>59781805
>I very wish to live in a Kaczyński's dictatorship
nigga what
>>59781702
Who the fuck needs EU when you have Silk road with China, good food and your own coal and oil?
Fuck EU. I am Polish. Let it burn.
>>59781702
You go, we stay.
We will define what "European values" are now
Do not interfere with god's country you filthy champagne socialist cucks
>>59781988
Wielkanoc?
>>59781367
Any country that doesn't want to take in lots of refugees must by definition be a dictatorship because of the lack of empathy
>>59782022
Jajeczko?
>>59781860
>Kaczyński's
No, I want to live in just dictatorship.
>>59781805
Weak people want dictatorship.
They cling to the dictator, as a source of their meaning in life or confidence.
You are a weak person anon.
>>59782069
Which you're not going to have.
Therefore, you should change your opinion on the current development of events.
>>59781367
Worry about protecting your women, not their democracy.
Let them be Hans.
You don't have to stick your nose in everyone's business
>>59782069
kill yourself
>>59781367
>>59781495
You're a gullible moron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI-dr92HXXg
>>59782119
They do.
Also, only a retard wants American bases in his own country. Americans are wild dogs, they will make a false flag in here if we try to change something for our own good.
We're disarmed and Americans will be killing us on our own soil. Russia isn't really a problem, they don't want to invade. It's fucking America and Jews with their ubergoys Germans.
>>59782168
>we're disarmed
lol what
We are one of the only NATO countries to actually invest in a military and meet the minimum defense budget requirement.
>>59782247
Civilians are disarmed.
>>59782247
That's not what he meant - 1,5 guns per 100 Polish citizens is disarmed.
>>59781495
>european comission thinking they have any power
That is the only thing more pathetic than the UN thinking they have any power.
>>59782264
You're right, we should be more like America :^)
>>59782330
Some womans comitee in UN wanted to ban hentai.
>>59782336
Memes aside. What's wrong with owning guns?
We should learn from our history not repeat that.
We don't have any threat from Russia to begin with. Why would they bother with Poland? They would literally have to deal with partisians 24/7. Americans go home, you fucking faggots.
Poland is the greatest country in the world
>>59782347
I imagine that worked so well for them.
>>59782387
Nothing is wrong with guns.
We need to be aligned with somebody and the Americans are by far the least shit compared to Russia and Germany. Neutral, non-aligned Poland is a ridiculous and unrealistic idea. Also I don't give a shit if Russia might invade or not, they're shit and I hate them.
>>59782487
>Nothing is wrong with guns.
Yes, except people die when they are killed.
>>59781367
Poland is now a little politicaly unstable. Some demonstrations, some confusion, some extremists nothing unusual.
They will be fine, leave them alone so they can chill after a while.
Good luck polandanons in your political madness! No matter the outcome, everything will be the same shit in the long run :-D
>>59782487
>americans
>neutral
Wew lad. They will do Majdan here if they want to. Also, they will set us up at Russians. Our Poland will be bombed to the ground again and they will make deals behind our backs.
Fuck Americans. They're provocative blood-thirsty german monkeys. For entire history of USA, they're constantly at war. They create war where there is no war. Why should Poland be different?
>>59782534
Valuable argument.
Thug will get a gun no matter if it's legal or not. Simple civilian won't. Where is your god now?
>>59782534
The Czechs have unrestrictive gun laws and are even able to concealed carry/use for self-defense and they're fine. It would be no different here.
>>59782534
Idiot...
>>59782541
>No matter the outcome, everything will be the same shit in the long run :-D
I think it's the same in most democracies.
>>59782567
>Thug will get a gun no matter if it's legal or not. Simple civilian won't. Where is your god now?
Neither simple civilian nor thugs have guns. That's why no one gets shot in this country.
You're using an argument that works in the US, not in Poland.
>>59782647
Possibly. Our self-defence laws are retarded, no arguing with that.
>>59782662
quality post
>>59782567
I didn't say they were neutral, I said that Poland not being aligned with a larger power is unrealistic and possibly dangerous.
And I really don't care if the Americans bomb sandniggers. Our government doesn't import their deserters like the westerners and never will so it doesn't effect my life in any way.
>>59782567
dont try to act like your life is in constant danger because theres no pistol under your pillow
>>59782717
>nor thugs have guns
This delusion.
Owning a gun is a natural right given you when you're born. People owned guns and weapons for thousands of years. Why now should be different?
>>59782742
here
>>59782745
We were aligned with larger powers in 1939. Guess how that worked out. :^)
>>59782752
You will see when americans start to shoot to Polish civilians to create a turmoil and blame it on Russians.
>>59782753
Don't even bother, this faggot is indoctrinated with prejudices.
>>59782717
Nobody gets shot in Poland because we're 99% white Poles and there is no ethnic unrest and inner city ghettos. Do you think there's going to be American style gang shootouts in inner city Krakow if we have guns?
>>59782753
>Owning a gun is a natural right given you when you're born.
That's your opinion. I completely disagree with it.
>People owned guns for thousands of years
what
>>59782801
>Nobody gets shot in Poland because we're 99% white Poles and there is no ethnic unrest and inner city ghettos.
Ten years ago we had even less minorities, and streets were dangerous as fuck. Most of the scum ran away to the UK so it's fairly safe now in Poland, but you must be either underage of have extremely short memory.
People were beaten up or machette'd, but no one got shot, to my knowledge.
>>59782784
We weren't aligned with anybody in 1939. We just had some half-asset guarantee of independence from Britain and France. The Americans are willing to station troops here, work with us, and make attempts at friendship. Nobody in WWII even really pretended to care about us.
>>59782752
Poles are paranoid, I as well. It's our national trait.
>>59782753
>Owning a gun is a natural right given you when you're born. People owned guns and weapons for thousands of years.
Are you retarded or something?
>>59781367
>democracy
>>59782878
*half-assed
>>59782863
>That's your opinion. I completely disagree with it.
Of course, you would rather die than defend yourself. :^)
>what
And weapons. :^)
>>5978287
> The Americans are willing to station troops here, work with us, and make attempts at friendship.
What the fuck do you smoke.
>>59782897
Are you retarded?
>>59781367
suck my dick germanic whore
>>59781367
Poland is the last hope for Europe keep your countries cucking influence away from them and theyll do just fine
>>59782920
>Of course, you would rather die than defend yourself. :^)
I'd rather not have to defend myself against a thug with a weapon.
By introducing a firearm law here in Poland similar to what Americans have, you would be arming thugs en masse. You're not solving the problem, you are creating a problem that exists in the USA and is unsolvable, but completely does not exist here in Poland. Our safety rating beat most countries in Europe and due to several important factors, lack of access to firearms and lack of firearm culture being one of many.
Want to shoot stuff? Get a license and go hunting. Want to carry firearms to a fucking shop? Go to Switzerland or the US. I don't want to see skinheadzi armed to teeth in my Biedronka.
>>59782920
What about what I said was false? They make a ton of effort here diplomatically. Their soldiers are sometimes monkies and the average American doesn't give a shit about us, but they are the best possible alliance we can have at the moment. You haven't suggested an alternative.
>>59782956
>last hope for Europe
No thanks, we refuse to be "hope" for this secularist shit and scum infested bad blood continent. Let It Rot and Burn
EVERY GOYIM FOR HIMSELF!
as always.
>>59782993
We beat other countries with no guns at safety and you think the reason for that is that we have no guns either? That makes no sense.
>>59782998
Maybe invest in fucking Polish army and Polish industry for once, huh?
Why the fuck would we need foreign army in our own borders? This didn't end so good the last time. Americans are known for creating chaos and turmoil wherever they go. If we start to grow too much they will attack us.
>>59783043
Yes, this is one of many factors that contribute to it. Don't ruin it. Don't swallow American culture just because it sounds right.
The same culture that every man has the right to bear arms is also prevalent in many Arabic countries, like the dagger culture in Saudi Arabia. Don't be like that.
>>59781367
>Is Poland becoming a dictatorship?
From where you took this idea?
>What can we do to protect democracy in Poland?
This procests are "democratic" Old ruling party sponsored by germany was beaten elections, now they are 4th place. So they lose good jobs and they don't have cash. So members of this party still sponsored probably from germany going on streets and saying "hur dur we losing democracy". But this time we elected truly polish goverment. We will not sign everything what you gave us, because much european union.
This goverment have different point of view and Polish interests are on first place.
Guns are a basic human right and America will never abandon her NATO allies
We need to do a threesome with bolant like its 1939 again
>>59783095
And why would they do that? Do you think they are afraid of us or something? America literally begs other NATO countries to invest in their own militaries, in fact getting the cucks in western Europe like the Germans to do it is a popular part of Trump's platform. You are acting like America is trying to restrict the military capabilities of their allies when in fact they are getting angry that their allies are doing it to themselves.
>>59783107
I was joking because the guy I was responding to was ripping on them. Of course American gun culture is not a fit for here, we need our own.
>owning a gun is a natural right
Protocol 1% engaged
I want to invade and molest Poland.
>>59783381
>Of course American gun culture is not a fit for here
stfu you cuck
I own a soviet AK 47 illegally and the only way some faggot is going to take it away from me is from my cold dead hands.
>>59783424
You know that hetalia is first step into degeneracy, second is anime.
>>59783476
4chan is the first step into degeneracy.
>>59783476
No, the first step is being born in Russia
>>59783473
American gun laws, yes. American gun culture, no. For that we should look at the Czechs and to an extent the Swiss.
>>59783501
Russia a degenerate
DEGENERATE!!
>>59783591
N-no you!
>>59783473
>and the only way some faggot is going to take it away from me is from my cold dead hands.
Now THAT'S what I call autism
>I own a new fishing boat and the only way some faggot is going to take it away from me is from my cold dead hands.
Do it
>>59783577
laws are for faggots, especially ones telling you that you have to jump over loops and pay a mountain of money to middle man like they do in the UK.
If I had stuck to "laws" of this retarded pseudo country I wouldnt have my rifle or my nades or my pistol, all unregistered.
>>59783644
>laws are for faggots
>>59783644
I can see why you would be against things like background checks, you genuinely seem like somebody that wouldn't pass one
>>59783607
Guys put him in stocks ! :^)
>>59783607
Don't listen to him, I like you
>you're absolutely free to go and buy a muzzle loaded black powder firearm without any kind of regulations, background checks or even registration in Poland
>the only requirement to own it is being 18 year old
>these include replicas of civil war era revolvers and rifles that caused death of hundreds of thousands of Americans
>a 6 shot revolver has the potential to kill six people and is as easy to conceal as a big knife or a blunt weapon
>cases where such firearm was used to commit a crime are unheard of and the number (if there's any) is so little that polish police doesn't even keep statistics on it
>discuss laxation of laws regarding ownership of centerfired firearms for recreative shooting
>uh no us Poles are savages, some bydlo will end up shooting the streets it will be like America
Polish people are gullible retards and deserve to be partitioned again.
I want to see smelly polish wymyn raped on the streets and their partners watching because they have nothing to shoot the rapist with.
And I will laugh
and laugh
and laugh
and go underground
>>59783721
DEGE
NE
RATE
>>59783721
Thanks
>>59783718
Financial markets?
>>59783697
> you genuinely seem like somebody that wouldn't pass one
indeed, thus is why I avoided them all together, saved time and money on all the legality bullshit yet still own guns.
I doubt they'd let you own grenades legally, guess what, I DO!
>>59783740
Are you retarded or something?
>>59783740
Calm down, there's only like one person ITT that disagrees with you
>>59783740
No one indeed gives a shit at the moment, retard, but if you free firearms like the US, the news will be blown in media so much you will have armed thugs shopping in Biedronka
Fuck that
>>59783864
Ah, no thank you please
>>59783855
>all these pro-firearm liberals
>mfw I'm the only conservatist here
>>59783898
He's not advocating what they have in the US, not even they have laws that relaxed. With background checks in place, if we were armed crime would probably only increase a tiny amount, if not probably go down.
fucking hell polish people are really retarded.
>>59783934
Being pro-gun is liberal and conservative at the same time. European countries did not have these shitty laws until the 20th century.
>>59784031
stfu and get the fuck lost you perfidious,pretentious anglo LOSER
>>59784057
If you talk about history, perhaps. Right now most anons ITT are liberals who want to loosen the laws regarding firearms, I'm the only conservative here, it seems.
>>59784031
Don't make me laugh. Out of all nations, a Brit calling us retarded? Do you have any idea how dumb and average Brit can be?
>>59784031
اللعنة عليك الكلبة الغبية الانجليزية!
>>59784144
>uk shooters network
slingshot enthusiast club?
Poles are right wing retards en masse. It was a question of time they will become dictatorship.
>>59784311
Gib Smoleńsk.
>>59784211
Slingshots are Class 3 destructive devices in the UK.
Try drinking straw and crumbled paper.
But only on registered firing ranges.
>>59784325
Come take it
>>59784325
>shithole full of russians
>>59784221
wow, Brits got so handsome and manly?
when?
>>59784347
it's already infested by filthy corrupt russians,
no thanks the place is doomed.
>>59784347
M-maybe soon.
>>59782801
What a retard. Do you think that only blacks shoot in USA?
>>59784311
aren't they just.
this thread has been really eye-opening. I always thought it was just polish workers here that were dumb, but 99% of polish people ITT are mentally handicapped too.
>>59784406
ok
>>59784427
I will be waiting.
>>59784443
fuck off you shithead
I'll piss on your corpse after Im through with you
What is the public opinion about this mess in Poland? I tried some googeling but I can't find anything.
Does the majority of people care about Rule of Law or not?
Was this really what the people were voting for in the 2015 election or is there a bit of a bait-and-switch involved?
>>59784177
пiдхoдить дo coнeчкo пopyч з вaми
>>59784484
sorry I don't speak in moon runes.
>>59782956
Lolwhat? They are poor provider of cheap workforce to the rest of EU and the most cucked country of Europe governed directly by Murrica.
>>59784478
I can take you one on one faggit. Don't you hide behind putin.
>>59784435
But they pretty much do. That isn't made up, look it up or something.
>>59784517
meet in minsk and we will see
>>59784514
>t. oligarch slave
>>59784514
You're mother!
>>59784482
Most Polish people only seem to care about drinking vodka and eating beetroot dumplings in moss soup, or whatever they found on the forest floor. Politics is "beyond" them 2bh.
>>59784514
>vatnik thinks he knows anything about poland
As long as we can be a thorn in moscow's side, and in general to your shitty "country"
its our pleasure, ivan
>>59784530
White Americans do retarde stuff as well. Yesterday there was news on /pol/ about ex-us military man leaving his guns out and his 5 year old daughter shot herself and died. Such is the life of a burger.
>>59784531
I bet you wouldn't come and I'd just waste my money and time on a visa. Just like the russian bride I ordered.
>>59784586
Polish women not good enough so you need to buy a Natasha?
>>59784482
>What is the public opinion about this mess in Poland? I tried some googeling but I can't find anything.
It's bullshit. Old Party is crying because they lost and they want power back.
No matter what "new" party does, everything is wrong according to them.
>Does the majority of people care about Rule of Law or not?
They won in democratic elections.
>>59784574
Small isolated events that don't compare to the massive negro slaughter fests they have in their inner cities. But yes a lot of their white people are incredibly unstable too.
>>59784607
Yes.
>>59784435
Without blacks we have about the same murder rate as Belgium
>>59784574
Russians do stupid shit too. One news story is not a pattern.
If you only look at whites there is no issue with gun violence in the US
>>59784607
We only need to to drug them up and deliver them to Moshe's commie block basment for organ removal surgery then later be shipped to israel.
isnt this common practice in russia?
>>59784635
What is bad about them?
>>59784652
>Russians do stupid shit too.
Yes, but I don't think we defend it.
>>59784634
Might just be an American thing. My Great Granddad used to say the Americans are so crazy because they are so mixed and it messes up their genes.
>>59784443
They are agricultural retarded butthole of Europe. It's like the southern USA states.
>>59784702
>retarded butthole of Europe.
>coming from Russia
>>59784701
That they don't take it w żopu.
>>59781367
>Is Poland becoming a dictatorship?
I want this meme to stop
>>59784702
>kacap calling anyone out on being a butthole
oh the irony!
>>59784691
You do that in Poland?
>>59784736
>That they don't take it w żopu.
What did he mean by this?
>>59784573
So you're okay with being so cucked just to annoy us? What a retard.
>>59784797
>The New York Times
Why do Poles love America when American hates them?
>>59784780
>cucked
By whom?
>>59784822
Only retards like americans.
>>59784797
>Jew York
anything the kikes over there find offensive means we are headed in a good direction, friend
>>59784822
Oh, americans love us, it's the SJWs that hate us. Because we're everything they hate.
>>59784797
They literally repeat memes. No one says what's wrong, but that it's wrong, whatever is happening
>>59781367
>What can we do to protect democracy in Poland?
you can stay the fuck away and mind your own business
>>59784832
America.
>>59784834
America has massive approval in Poland though.
>>59784843
New York Times is core American paper.
>>59784822
Since when is the New York Times representative of America?
>>59784558
What is this opinion based on, UK flag?
You could be right. For example I'm pretty confident that your average Turk doesn't care about Freedom of the Press so I guess the average Pole might well not care about Rule of Law.
>>59784615
So am I understanding this right that for most Poles it's just a power struggle between the old and new party and they just support their party without really having an opinion on the issue itself?
>>59784880
>America has massive approval in Poland though.
retards, like I said
>>59784897
It represents the attitude of mainstream America.
>>59784880
NYT is nothign but a kike propaganda network, any goyim with half a brain knows this, but I guess having a half a brain is not enough for the average kacap.
>>59784880
How are we cucked by them in any way? Give me one example of American interests being above Polish interests in our relationship with them.
>>59784906
>So am I understanding this right that for most Poles it's just a power struggle between the old and new party and they just support their party without really having an opinion on the issue itself?
Most Poles don't care about this "struggle". Case is clear and closed. New party won, old one must go.
But the party that lost is sponsored by EU and Soros, so they cry about democracy being at danger in here, just to get back in power and fuck us in the ass even more.
Only some of people get fooled that new gov is doing something against Poland and democracy.
>>59784942
Trump is mainstream in America you silly boy.
How about EU stops infringing on European values and on individual countries' sovereignty before pointing fingers.
I'm not saying it's a rosebed over here, but I'll be damned if I'll take anything they say without a kilo of salt.
>>59781946
>Who the fuck needs EU
bitch please. Do you know how much money your country recieves/has recieved from the EU? without EU Poland would be a third world country
>>59784942
No it doesn't. mainstream America is voting for Trump (who NYT thinks is a nazi), doesn't live in New York, and doesn't read dying commie newspapers like this one which is seeing huge drops in readership and sales.
>>59785010
the EU money barely cover the cost of additional bureaucracy needed to redistribute them and the regulations hurt our economy and cause millions euro losses. the farmers literally throw away their products to meet some imaginary limits imposed by the EU
educate yourself and then spout bullshit, nigger fuck faggot.
>>59785010
We didnt ask for the EU, you cocksucker, the EU needed our country to build a highway to the east, and that is all.
so fuck YOU and your EU, bitchboi
>>59784977
They got you to put sanctions on that resulted in Polish farmers losing out and having massive amounts of their produce wasted. With Polish government having to pay to make up for it. Sacrificing for America.
>>59784985
Trump is mainstream in Republican America. Not America as a whole.
>>59785101
>They got you to put sanctions on that resulted in Polish farmers losing out and having massive amounts of their produce wasted. With Polish government having to pay to make up for it. Sacrificing for America.
This is true.
>>59785010
No matter how hard you try, we will never feel guilty about taking rightful reparation from Germany and all its fellow Nazi collaborator countries. They fucking annihilated this country and think they control our politics by doing a little bit to clean up their fucking mess. See if we care.
>>59784880
>>59784977
Our relationship is Poland cucking the US
same with the Baltic states
>everyone sanctions Russia
>Germans make a deal about a new pipeline between their countries
Is Germany dismantling EU?
>>59784906
>So am I understanding this right that for most Poles it's just a power struggle between the old and new party and they just support their party without really having an opinion on the issue itself?
even if someone cared, then probably got bored with all this
it's never ending circlejerk since the elections
>>59785204
strategic partnership
something Poland could fucking learn after so many centuries.
>>59785191
Oh boy are you one of those Americans fresh from /pol/ that thinks we don't contribute to NATO? Go bak there. I see people regurgitating this completely misinterpreted Trump "quote" all the time now like retards. He was talking about Germany. Poland invests in defense what NATO requests of it. Do some research on Trump's policies yourself and leave your echo chamber.
>>59785337
I'm not saying they're "wrong". Good on them fucking everyone over. I'm just saying they should fuck off with pointing fingers when they don't practice what they preach
>>59785204
The EU is collapsing from all the corruption and everyone pulling in their own direction.
smart people know this kołhoz shitfest will blow away , just like the soviet "union".
>>59785426
They're just doing "MittelEuropa" politics.
There is no Poland.
>>59781495
>EU criticizing anyone for being undemocratic
>protect democracy
Democracy is a spook, you would be better without it.
>>59784906
To put it simply:
>PO (the old, pro-EU party) lost the elections because they ruled too long and they started to exploit their power, and people had enough.
>PiS (the new party) because they are the biggest rival of PO. They won because of 1, , because of young generation, who didn't remember their last governance, and because of UE, who tries to force some retarded regulations on us and keep us a cheap work force.
>PiS wants to rule supreme, forcing their every idea (be it political, economical, scientifical or religious) onto everyone.
>Polish courts (mainly Constitutional Tribunal) do their work by rejecting the most demented ideas.
>Now we have a full-blown legislative and political war between the ruling party and courts.
>UE Sees what is happening and reacts accordingly to it's own standards.
>PiS is mad they can't rule supreme and make this country a second vatican.
>>59784980
Hmmm, okay, thanks for the opinion. Still seems like a bit of a power struggle to me.
>>59785254
That sounds pretty sad desu
It always seems retarded to me when ideals that usually everyone agrees on (such as human rights, freedom of speech, or rule of law in this case) become points of contention because of grup affiliation.
Erdogane violates Freedom of Press -> People may care about it a little but they like Erdogan more -> Now everyone that is pro-free speech is anti-Erdogan -> People that are originally pro free speech are now against free speech.
I'm sure everyone in Poland likes Rule of Law in theory but it is now a point of contention.
>>59785420
Yeah I've noticed this too. Hordes of Americans copying his "THEY'RE RIPPING US OFF" rhetoric about absolutely everything, even when he specifically mentions what countries he means. Literally nobody cared about this a few months ago and it's not even a real thing Trump said, it's just /pol/tards misinterpreting rhetoric and spreading it to other /pol/tards. Now all of the Americans from there have developed this retarded victim complex about being a strong military power with a large sphere of influence.
>cebulaki uważające że obcokrajowcom zależy na poznaniu krajobrazu politycznego cebulandii
>>59785879
t. ziemkiewicz
>>59785782
>>59785824
Thanks, do you have more information about those "demented ideas" that got shot down by the constitutional tribunal? In all the coverage I read about this they were never mentioned.
>>59785907
akurat Michalkiewicz lubi mówić o tym że chuj kogo obchodzi polski Bantustan
Ziemkiewicz to ten co dzieli Polaków na faktyczny naród i bezmyślny demos któremu wszystko jedno
Braun poszerza tezę stwierdzeniem, że na demos to się powinno pluć i zwiększać siłę narodowej elity
>>59785782
t. Petru
>Polish courts (mainly Constitutional Tribunal) do their work by rejecting the most demented ideas.
*Polish courts full of PO members
FTFY
>>59785879
>Poland is in unrest again because some dumb Poles try to force their own demented ideas on everyone else, and are surprised the rest oppose them.
Fixed that for you, ty kupo zjełczałego, waraniego gówna.
>>59785982
co ty do mnie mamroczesz kodziarzu zdurniały
>>59785925
>le "demented ideas"!!!!
A nice buzzword, isn't it?
>In all the coverage I read about this they were never mentioned.
Guess why.
>our leftists news portals keep linking Western news portals who are claiming that fascist boogeymen are taking over Poland, Hungary and Croatia
Suck cocks, lefties.
>>59785925
"KOD" ("""people""" marching against current gov) is full of people that call Kaczyński the same as Stalin or Felix Dzerzhinsky.
They're imbeciles and low lifes.
>>59785925
Thanks, do you have more information about those "demented ideas" that got shot down by the constitutional tribunal?
To tell you the truth, it's full blown procedural and legal bullshit I'd have to not only translate properly, but also support by writing an essay about Polish legal system and it's organization. Trust me, you're not THAT interested. TL:DR - imagine house of cards or game of thrones in Poland.
>>59785976
>>59785999
>>59786042
Well, I'm not really sure which Pole I should believe here. So please post some links/stories/info about tribunal decisions that caused the butthurt so I can make up my mind.
>ask a KOD member against what exactly he's marching
>"UUUUHHHHHHH BECAUSE YOU KNOW KACZYŃSKI IS LIKE FASCIST"
>ask him for examples
>"FUCK OFF PROVOCATEUR"
top lel
>>59785010
You even saw the picture he posted? It clearly says Poland gives more money to the EU than it recieves.
Švédski paroháči choďte fajčiť negerské vtáky :D.
>>59786159
The ones that are against PO and KOD bastards.
pic related. Democracy during PO reign. - No one cared that democracy was broken and people beaten to death because it was a pro-german party.
Fuck hypocrites.
>>59786159
>So please post some links/stories/info about tribunal decisions that caused the butthurt so I can make up my mind.
If we link you english ones, we would link you version writted by outsiders who also had no idea what the fuck is going on.
If we link you polish ones, primo: you wouln't understand and secundo: they would be as one-sided and subjective as polish posts in this topic.
All in all it really comes to this:
There is a power struggle between the government and courts. If the courts win, ruling part won't be able to put their most radical idea to life. If the ruling party wins, they take it all.
>>59786425
>There is a power struggle between the government and courts.
what power struggle you idiot
it's a majority government they can fucking assassinate people if they want
>>59786159
>>59786419
here are Poles protesting against PO's reign and immigrants that PO wanted to bring here, because Merkel said so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hakb6S0IpgY
>>59786012
Kod jest takim samym skretynieniem jak pisiorki, platfusy i cała reszta tego babilonu. Ja jestem po prostu "wykształciuchem" który rozpatruje ten konflikt pod względem prawnym i organizacyjnym, a nie pod względem tego, które plemię jaskiniowców jest lepsze i powinno mieć nieograniczoną władzę.
>>59786608
t. ziemkiewicz
Ale masz racje.
>>59786159
Look up KOD marches on youtube. You won't find there a single person below 50 years old. It's a bunch of mumbling elderly people who heard some fear-mongering bullshit on tv (when it was still owned by PO) and started to participate in this shitshow to feel important. Half of them isn't even sure what they are marching there.
Compare this with the massive anti-immigration march and you will see that among these ebul, fascist Poles there is plenty of normal people of all genders and ages. Whole families went there, but obviously media focused exclusively on the football fans.
>Well, I'm not really sure which Pole I should believe here.
You can believe the majority. PiS has a record-breaking support at the moment, while PO and KOD are scoffed upon by a definitive majority of Poles.
>>59786608
>Ja jestem po prostu "wykształciuchem"
wyobraź sobie że wkleiłem obrazek z fedorą bo nie mam akurat żadnego pod ręką
>>59781367
Invade it or partition it
>>59786476
>MURDER THOSE WHO OPPOSE US!
t. PiS electorate.
I rest my case.
>>59786639
i want to stomp that idiot's face.
>>59786686
>I rest my case.
o jak brykłem z euforiusza
pewnie jeszcze masz bordo na wykopie
>>59786644
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironia
>>59786733
ale przedstaw sobie robaku że zdecydowana większość ludzi wykształconych popiera PO tudzież Nowoczerską i jeżeli nie spaceruje sobie z KODem to przynajmniej na ten ruch nie pyskuje
pis zagospodarował milczącą mniejszość prowincjuszy których jest nieporównywalnie więcej a teraz ma już elektorat do końca świata bo 500+ i rozmnażające się seby i karyny
polska to chuj
>>59786798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIKRTbJQgJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tawdzDwFL-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdKL_xFIsC8
>>59786419
>>59786425
>>59786477
>>59786639
Okay, thanks.
Still not really convinced either way because to me having a functional supreme court seems essential to any democracy. But I have to do other things now, I'll research it another time.
>>59786798
>przedstaw sobie robaku że zdecydowana większość ludzi wykształconych popiera...
"Zdecydowana większość ludzi wykształconych", to spieprza z tego kraju na cztery strony świata , a nawet pod ziemię. Bo wybór mają mniej więcej taki: albo pracować za minimalne stawki, czyli jedyną rzeczą którą w.g. opozycji powinniśmy konkurować z zachodem, albo żyć w kato-talibowskim piekle, w którym sędziów zastąpią księża.
>>59786991
>kato-talibowskim piekle
>sędziów zastąpią księża
o kurwa
>>59786425
>their most radical ideas
Such as? You keep talking shit about some spoopy ebul ideas, but you didn't post a single example.
>>59787056
he's a fearmongering liberast t'bh lad
>>59786686
>MURDER THOSE WHO OPPOSE US
t. Ryszard Cyba
>>59787056
Ah, nothing much. Abolishment of practical separation of powers and independence of the judiciary. Legalisation of conscience clause which can destabilize medical care. Radical penalization of abortion coupled with scorn for women life. Limiting anticonceptions. Such unimportant details.
>>59781367
>Is Poland becoming a dictatorship?
no
>>59787445
what a passive aggressive leftist shit XD
>>59787528
I can write that in polish if it confuses you.
>>59787445
>Abolishment of practical separation of powers and independence of the judiciary.
This one sounds especially bad and is something i would call undermining the foundation of democracy
>>59788022
That's the problem. They already have the executive and legislative authority with the puppet-president and majority of parliament. Now they also want the judiciary to do whatever the hell they want. and some of the other things they want is pretty fucking scary.
>>59787445
>that tumblr tier pretentiously quirky way of writing
Are you a woman or a faggot?
>Radical penalization of abortion coupled with scorn for women life.
Nice meme.
Some catholic or feminist wackos constantly bring this shit up every now and then and yet the law stays the same. Tabloids made a big deal out of it, but conveniently ignored the fact that the government simply had the duty to review the proposed changes. You're a retard if you think they will actually change these laws. It's a sensible middle ground most Poles want to keep and PiS knows that changing it in any way would lower their support.
>Legalisation of conscience clause which can destabilize medical care.
>implying doctors clearly stating whether you can or cannot count on them with controversial operations will somehow destabilize medical care, instead of actually stabilizing it
Are you dense? It's better to know what can you expect out of your doctor rather then get in a shitty situation like the one with Chazan, right?
>Limiting anticonceptions
Oh give me a fucking break.
>>59788196
so what would they do if they had full power?
other that outlaw abortion and anticonception?
>>59788285
>other that outlaw abortion and anticonception?
Scary part is we can't really know. Imagine a group of guys who believe in /x/ tier conspiracies, believe everyone around them (besides Hungary) want to partition and destroy them all the time, who priotitize faith over knowledge in science (including medicine), and who will bend, if not break, laws according to their whims.
They ger what they want, and in one year we can be out of UE, out of NATO, and in cold war with Russia along with ruined economy. I shit you not, the 500+ program alone can wreck our economy in the long run.
>>59788555
>They ger what they want, and in one year we can be out of UE, out of NATO, and in cold war with Russia along with ruined economy.
I cant believe they really would do that. If you were to leave the EU, since you probably wont improve your relation with Russia, you would be totally isolated and would have nobody to trade with
>>59788196
>puppet-president
Aight, this is getting ridiculous
>implying Kwaśniewski wasn't SLD's puppet
>implying Komorowski wasn't PO's puppet
>implying any president ever isn't always his party's puppet
What world do you live in?
>>59788555
>the 500+ program alone can wreck our economy in the long run.
>socialist programs are bad when the right-wingers do it
kek
>>59788665
Their "experts" arguments advocating that Smolensk catastrophe was orchestrated by Russians included boiling sausages and "thought experiments".
TVP (national tv) has lowest view rates in history because it became government propaganda megaphone. Want to know how they want to improve the view rates? By changing the institute that made the research.
They are fucking mental.
>>59788770
>puppet-president
>Aight, this is getting ridiculous
Another good example for our fereign friends:
Kamiński, one of PiS politicians, was under criminal investigation and would most likely end up in a damn jail. Thing is, Polish president evoked full presidential pardon. You know the funny thing? He did it before Kamiński was even sentenced. You know what that means? If you're good with the president you can commit any crime you want and you'll be pardoned before the case is over. As said, another good examle of what PiS does with the law.
>>59783043
>>59783107
Czechs have guns and they as save as we are
>>59789058
Hell, by that logic you can first get the pardon, then proceed to kill someone. Who cares about actual or legal state determinated by courts.
prepare for war
you red pieces of shit
we're going to bury you, and all your "komrades"
>>59789058
>>59789366
And how many times PO has done worse things?
>>59789058
>>59789366
>>59789565
1) Afera tasmowa
2) Afera hazardowa
3) Afera wyciagowa
4) Afera stadionowa
5) Afera autostradowa
6) Afera stoczniowa
7) Afera AmberGold
8) Afera Elewarru
9) Afera z informatyzacja MSW
10) Afera z budowa gazoportu w Swinoujsciu/dostawami gazu z Kataru
11) Afera z budowa elektrowni atomowej (od 5 lat trwa "wybieranie" lokalizacji, a zarzad specjalnych spólek bierze kase)
12) Afera z opóznieniem publikacji przez Rzadowe Centrum Legislacji ustawy o rajach podatkowych
13) Grabiez Polakom polowy oszczednosci emerytalnych zgromadzonych w OFE (153 mld zl)
14) Wydluzenie obowiazku pracy (wieku emerytalnego) o 7 lat u kobiet i 2 lata u mezczyzn
15) Rozrost biurokracji (sto tysiecy nowych etatów)
16) Drastyczny wzrost zadluzenia kraju (z 530 mld zl do blisko 1 bln zl)
17) Podniesienie VAT-u na wszystko
18) Podwyzszenie o 1/3 skladki rentowej (ZUS) dla przedsiebiorców
19) Zamrozenie na 8 lat kwoty wolnej od podatku, kwot uzyskania przychodu oraz progów podatkowych
20) Podniesienie akcyzy na paliwo
21) Likwidacja ulg podatkowych (budowlana, internetowa)
22) Zmniejszenie o 1/3 zasilku pogrzebowego
23) Wprowadzenie nowego podatku paliwowego - tzw. oplaty zapasowej
24) Nalozenie na Lasy Panstwowe haraczu w postaci podatku od przychodu (a nie dochodu!)
25) Prace nad wprowadzeniem podatku smartfonowego i tabletowego
>>59789605
26) Prace nad wprowadzeniem podatku audiowizualnego
27) Przyjecie zabójczego dla polskiej gospodarki pakietu klimatycznego
28) Zgoda na wprowadzenie do Polski GMO
29) Przyjecie ustawy o ograniczeniu dostepu obywateli do informacji publicznej
30) Przyjecie ustawy o ograniczeniu wolnosci zgromadzen
31) Przyjecie ustawy o "bratniej pomocy" (tzw. ustawa 1066)
32) Spuszczenie w sejmowym klozecie kilku milionów podpisów zlozonych pod obywatelskimi inicjatywami referendalno-ustawodawczymi
33) Utajnienie raportu o nieprawidlowosciach w ZUS do jakich doszlo w latach 2008 - 2013
34) Próba nocnej zmiany Konstytucji RP, która umozliwilaby sprzedaz Lasów Panstwowych
35) Doprowadzenie do tragicznego stanu publicznej sluzby zdrowia (czekanie po kilka lat na wizyte u lekarza specjalisty)
36) Podpisanie z Rosja niekorzystnej umowy gazowej (najdrozszy gaz w Europie)
37) Blisko 3-letni paraliz legislacyjny w sprawie wydobywania gazu lupkowego
38) Drenaz Funduszu Rezerwy Demograficznej
39) Wyprzedaz majatku narodowego za ponad 65 mld zl (w tym spólek strategicznych takich jak Azoty Tarnów);
40) Ograniczenie potencjalu militarnego
41) Brak przemyslanej i suwerennej polityki zagranicznej
42) Wszechobecny nepotyzm i kolesiostwo (tysiace stanowisk oplacanych z publicznej kasy dla kolesi z Platformy "Obywatelskiej")?
All done by PO. The angel of democracy and pro-german party. That stole from Poland and treated Poles like cattle.
>>59788555
I'm not a great PiS lover, but some poeple are just mental in their butthurt over them. It is more than apparent you don't know a jackshit about politics other than what you occasionally read in "newsweek" headlines accidentally passing by a newsstand. Yet you mindlessly repeat half-truths, misconceptions or outright nonsense like 'they will ban contraceptions and get us out of NATO and EU'. Go spread your ignorance elsewhere
>>59781367
send little grin men ))0))
>>59789851
Dont hate Turks cuz they're BTFO your kacap ass.
>>59789909
c-can we be friends, Boland?
>>59789565
>>59789605
>>59789651
>A u was biją murzynów!
This, ladies and gentleman, is one of two ways PiS electorate legitimates everything current government does. It is either:
>Previous government did XYZ!
>This is why we can do just as bad or ever worse!
or:
>Majority of people elected us
>That's why we can do EVERYTHING and we have no legal or moral obligations whatsoever.
Jesus christ, you people are retarded.
Did you, for one instance, had one shade of a thought that people opposing PiS aren't only PO or SLD lovers?
o kurwa ja pierdole matku tvoju
>>59781614
Except that not. Last time it's the nazis and untermensch football supporters that were beaten by the police during KOD dmeonstration xD
>>59788555
Youre as crazy as people you try to describe
Polish-polish war rages on
>>59790136
You're a fucking untermensch you fucking piece of shit.
>>59789605
>>59789651
I po to naród wybrał Pisiorki, żeby Platfusy z tego całego bagna rozliczyć. A PiS zamiast to robić i zbierać plusy od całego narodu macha szabelką na prezesa TK za to, że ten wykonuje swoją konstytucyjną rolę.
A, jeszcze jedno:
>15) Rozrost biurokracji (sto tysiecy nowych etatów)
Nie bądź trutniem i nie myl urzędników z biurokracją. Biurokracja wynika z pierdyliarda regulacji, procedur i wymogów, którymi ktoś zajmować się musi. Owszem, wypieprzyć stanowiska utworzone przez nepotyzm. Ale zlikwiduj tylko stanowiska urzędnicze, to dopiero meksyk będziesz miał.
Wyobraź sobie że budujesz sobie dom. Nagle wypieprzasz połowę budowlańców. I co? Nagle cegły same Ci się szybciej zaczną układać?
za tą sraczkę legislacyjną i biurokrację, którą teraz mamy, trzeba winić polityków (wszystkich partii), a nie urzędników.
>>59790548
Nie powiedziałem, że pisiorki to cos dobrego. Moim zdaniem są siebie warci z Pełowcami.
Sram im do ryja. Ale kurew z KODu i Nowoczesnej nienawidze. Jebane sprzedawczyki i kurwy niemiecko-żydowskie.
>>59790023
>Did you, for one instance, had one shade of a thought that people opposing PiS aren't only PO or SLD lovers?
Did you, for one instance, had one shade of thought that people annoyed by KOD's bullshit didn't vote for PiS?
What PiS is doing might be messy, but you're blowing this shit way out of proportion with your hysterical projections.
>>59781495
Wtf germ?
>euro cucks mad about poland
>meanwhile PIS could now change constitution
>>59782390
Hello Asian Poland
I hope we will build a wall aka new Iron Courtain around V4.
>>59790901
>What PiS is doing might be messy
Using euphemisms won't change the fact that they already proved they will bend (TK case) or break (Ziobro, Kamiński) the law if they feel like it.
>Did you, for one instance, had one shade of thought that people annoyed by KOD's bullshit didn't vote for PiS?
I'm one of those people. You on the other hand keep defending PiS and legitimating their bullshit by telling that "PO was just as bad".
>>59791325
>Visegrad Union
>Capitol: Visegrad
>Official Language: English
>Area: 533,615 km2
>Population: 64,314,323
This is my wet dream.
If only we could defend ourselves.
>>59791325
better build it through Europe
>pardoning Kamiński was breaking the law
It literally wasn't. It was a legal procedure.
>>59791542
We must make new Hussars by breeding with Hungarians, we would be much stronger than Germans on their broomsticks.
>>59791542
even if those countries wanted to be cucked by Poland, united v4 would be still small fry, compare to EU or russia
>>59791542
>If only we could defend ourselves.
We should be more concrened about economy than the army tbqh
>>59791568
this butthurt will give us enough fuel to reach space one day
>>59791606
>Russia
I don't want to fight them seriously
>European Arab Emirates
hahahaha
>>59791606
>even if those countries wanted to be cucked by Poland
No cucking Ahmed.
That's why the official language would be English and the capitol would be Visegrad.
>united v4 would be still small fry, compare to EU or russia
Still better then being exploited as eternal cheap force bz west/north UE who treats us like subhumans.
>>59791621
We should be more concrened about economy than the army tbqh
I fully agree, but in our geopolitical position we would be forced to have strong defense force either way.
>>59791717
its not about war
its about the fact that neither EU nor Russia is gonna trade with you, and you will be isolated and poor
>>59791353
>break (Ziobro, Kamiński) the law
what law did they brake?
I don't see any difference, I've only noticed more ukranians
So, buying an apartment here wasn't a good idea, mm?
>>59791808
>Still better then being exploited as eternal cheap force bz west/north UE who treats us like subhumans.
EU has massivly increased the quality of life in v4 countries.
If you gonna isolate yourself from EU, all those benefits will be lost
>>59791568
>It literally wasn't. It was a legal procedure.
It would be, if it was done AFTER the sentence. Doing it before marks a VERY dangerous precedense. Not that I expect you to understand it to be honest.
I nie bierz tego do siebie, procedury to koszmar.
>>59791811
China is still there
>>59791944
You will lose everything due to taking in millions of your muslim overlords
>>59791944
>EU has massivly increased the quality of life in v4 countries
only by letting them emigrate
>>59782347
Literally worse than Hitler
>>59791925
>I don't see any difference, I've only noticed more ukranians
Same
>>59792010
oh yeah, I am sure china will treat you as an equal partner and not cuck you into oblivion
>>59791842
>Kamiński
Przekroczenie uprawnień
Niedopełnienie obowiązków służbowych
>Ziobro
Zniesławienie
Nie chce mi się szukać wyroków anon, POSP się znów pieprzy.
>>59791606
>implying EU won't break apart into smaller unions in less than a decade
EU is currently unstable as fuck and if you won't replace Merkel with someone competent asap this shitshow is bound to crack. If Brits won't quit first, someone else will.
>v4 would be still small fry
It is at the moment, but it has lots of potential. V4 is very likely to turn into V5, V6 and so on. We have plenty of joint deals with Croatia and Slovenia, and other Central European cunts are starting to consider us as a viable option for the future.
>>59792143
I don't think so though it'd be still a lot less embarrassing than being cucked to a cucklords like Germany.
>>59792248
>V4 is very likely to turn into V5, V6 and so on.
I hope this will happen soon.
>>59792248
you know this saying "if you wanna lead, you must be able to follow"?
Currently, Poland is throwing a hissy fit and blantaly refuses to cooperate at any level, despite beeing the biggest net reciever of EU monies.
Quiet frankly, there is very little reason for other countries to have faith in Polands ability to lead.
>>59791944
>EU has massivly increased the quality of life in v4 countries.
We have entered capitalist UE system with no budget what-so-ever, and this could have ended just one way. Western companies took over most of local market, and polish companies have but one way to fight: low wages.
There is no single fucking polish citizen that wouldn't mind giving EU all it's fucking money back and instead getting equal payment.
Of course, that's not how it works, and it won't happen. Rich EU countries needs poor ones to remain rich. We all know how it works. Just don't be one of those "hurr polan only steels mony and giv nothin bak".
>>59792364
even when you think we are evil nazis, it is still in Germanies best interest to not turn poland into a total shithole. We dont want a failed state next to us.
China, on the other hand, couldn't care less about your wellbeeing. They don't even give a fuck about they own citizens, what makes you think they would care about a small country at the other side of the world?
>>59792143
>will treat you as an equal partner and not cuck you into oblivion
do you seriously think Germany and other big EU countries treat us as equals?
>>59792408
>talking about leadership
Look at Merkel and others, money is not everything, your country is being raped and everybody can watch it in HD.
We followed you for a long time but it's a circus now, so no thanks
>>59792472
what do you mean by equal payment?
You want same income level as Germany?
I am sorry, but Poland doesn't offer the same level of infrastructure as Germany, in order to remain competitive, you have to deal with lower vages
>>59792408
Western countries won't follow anyone who doesn't have shitloads of money. It's not about leadership anymore, it's only about money. We don't have enough money, we don't expect other to follow us.
Still, about throwing hissy fits: What fits exactly? Because if it's about immigrants, then you already have an explanation:
We. Don't. Have. Enough. Money. To. Maintain. Them. All the money pumped by the EU into us only recently allowed us to become something above post-ussr-shithole level. But demanding we take refugees and give them work and money, which we OURSELVED don't have enough, is ridiculous.
>>59792496
funfact, Germany never wanted to be the leader of EU.
We were pushed into this role because we have the biggest population and strongers economy. And what did it bring us? Now, everybody hates us and uses us as scapegoat for every problem.
>>59792494
Germany and other big EU countries have a bigger population and stronger economy than you. It wouldn't make sense if you had the same amount of influence as us, despite contributing far less, wouldnt you agree?
In EU, you get a representation and a level of influence according to your economic strength and your willingness to contribute.
>>59792235
>what law did they break?
>Ziobro: defamation
HOLY SHIT I HAD NO IDEA
YOU'VE TRULY CONVINCED ME NOW, ANON, PIS REALLY IS LITERALLY KILLING DEMOCRACY WITH SUCH GRAVE, IMMORAL ATROCITIES
LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER, STALIN AND ONE HUNDRED 9/11S PUT TOGETHER
FREE POLAND IS TRULY DONE FOR!!!!!
>>59782069
Piłsudski nowej ery when?
>>59792684
personally, for me its not even the fact that you don't accept immigrants.
It is the whole "fuck the EU" polish attitude. At least it is how we perceive it in Germany.
From our prespective, German taxpayer pumps a lot of money into Poland, and we dont only not get any gratitude for it, we are actually hated for it and get called evil nazi
>>59792684
meanwhile even poorer than poland balkan countries have taken refugees
eg greece and bulgaria
>>59792551
>I am sorry, but Poland doesn't offer the same level of infrastructure as Germany, in order to remain competitive, you have to deal with lower vages
Exactly.
And this is why we "throw hissy fits" about forcing us to take immigrants we can't sustain.
You also can't blame polish youths for getting irritating at UE for the fact they are forced to work for minimum wages and sell their souls to western banks.
I don't blame YOU for this, just that don't expect us to be happy over our position.
>>59792689
>Now, everybody hates us and uses us as scapegoat for every problem.
Only the brits, who are retarded, and Greece, who somehow managed to ruin their own economy to ussr-sattelite-shithole tier all on their own.
The rest of the countries started to get mad when you imported immigrants hoping for cheap workforce, and when the plan backfired - you want other countries to take them.
>>59792748
>Minister of justice publically slanders someone of murder for political reasons
>HE A GOOD BOI
> HE DIDN DO NOTHIN
You know, there is a limit to how short-sighted and ignorant you can be.
I hope?
>>59792767
Ilekroć ktoś porównuje kaczkę do Piłsudskiego mam wrażenie, że Marszałek przewraca się w grobie tak szybko, że zaraz przewierci się przez trumnę.
>>59792885
Merkel said syrian refugees wont be send back, because she wanted to be humanitiarian and because she was afraid to be called a nazi if she wouldn't accept it.
The way she said it wasnt very clever, but everybody is acting now as Merkel is the only person to blame and that without her words, no refugees would have arrived.
>>59792812
I am sure its not nice to work for minimum wages, but the way I see it, it is your only chance, if you want to remain competative.
Our post war generation had also to work really hard, for really low payment, in order to built up the wealth Germany is enjoying today.
>>59793070
>I am sure its not nice to work for minimum wages
they really aren't
romania, bulgaria, greece, croatia are all poorer
poland is not much worse off than cz rep, or baltic states
i have no clue how they can whine so much
>>59792784
>fuck the EU polish attitude
Reasons for this accumulated over years.
Things like trying to put huge penalties for coal usage (we would be punished for our geological position, and having to rely on coal), or the differences between our and western product regulations (vodka vs champagne regulations due to western alcohol companies lobbyists - we had to create our own "polish vodka" award to protect our interests).
We don't hate you, seriously.
We're just tired of being third hand citizens.
>>59792408
Hans, I know that your eternal kraut mindset doesn't grasp the concept of any other relation that the one of the slave and the master, but despite Poland's size and generally dominant role in the group, members of Visegrad cooperate as allies. We won't have to lead the way you do, because Visegrad is about something more than just money and transport. The historical ties and the memes of friendship between our nations are centuries old and they can be a very good stabilizing factor.
Meanwhile the first thing we associate with Germany is still the butthurt over WW2. And now your "concern about the state of democracy in Poland" and people like Schultz talking shit about "bringing order" here only revive the meme of a German invader.
>Currently, Poland is throwing a hissy fit and blantaly refuses to cooperate at any level, despite beeing the biggest net reciever of EU monies.
>we gabe yuo monies, so how dare you not accept muslims so they can set up sharia ghettos and blow themselves up in your country!!
Since when EU donations are some sort of currency to be exchanged for obedience?
>>59791944
>EU has massivly increased the quality of life in v4 countries.
Such a meme. The reason why the EU ex-communist countries are better off than shitholes like Moldova is that they were better off in the first place. EU chose the better postcommunist countries to suck wealth from. You cannot suck wealth from a country that has none. The main thing people noticed after EU membership was the prices going up dramatically. I grew up in pre-EU Slovakia, it wasn't rich but wasn't a hellhole either. Apart from Poland in the 80s, most of these countries were already the best Eastern European countries during communism. Czechoslovakia was an industrial powerhouse of Warsaw Pact, Hungary had market socialism.
>>59793324
>Since when EU donations are some sort of currency to be exchanged for obedience?
So are you thinking of Germans as dumb suckers who give you money and get nothing in return? Or did I misunderstand you?
>Hans, I know that your eternal kraut mindset doesn't grasp the concept of any other relation that the one of the slave and the master, but despite Poland's size and generally dominant role in the group, members of Visegrad cooperate as allies
That never works. EU was also intended this way, but as soon as a crisis arrives, people demand that Germany takes the role of leadership
>>59793467
>So are you thinking of Germans as dumb suckers who give you money and get nothing in return? Or did I misunderstand you?
You get more than we do.
>>59793070
>Our post war generation had also to work really hard, for really low payment, in order to built up the wealth Germany is enjoying today.
Half of your post war generation got help in the form of marshal plan, which helped you build capitalist market and economy in time other western countries did. During this time we were DRAINED by ussr and western sanctions against ussr, and only entered the UE to compete against fully grown markets.
>but everybody is acting now as Merkel is the only person to blame and that without her words, no refugees would have arrived.
Seriously, this really can look as I explained: plan to get cheap workforce. Or severe overestimating of other countries economies. And this shit about being scared of being nazi must fucking stop soon. Seriously. For whole EU sake. I know Greece can be mad, beacuse no monies. I know France and Brits can be mad because they envy you. I know nordics can be mad because they like rich-lords / poor-peasants system. But if this is to fucking hold, you gotta get your shit together, Merkel.
>>59793198
Take the prices from Bulgaria or Croatia and compare them to ours.
>>59793031
Tyle że ja nie porównuję Piły do kaczki..
Fajny byłby dyktator jakiś jak Piłsudski właśnie co by wstrząsnął chołotą, ale powołanie kogokolwiek z obecnej kadry to herezja by była.
>>59793654
i have
they are the same
stop complaining
>>59793198
It is all relative, man. All Eastern European EU states are still in the upper 20 percent of the world's population. The world is full of extreme poverty that the poorest Pole, Czech or Slovak would consider abhorrent. Almost half the world still lives under 2 USD a day. Many don't even have electricity. But we don't compare ourselves to failed shithole states, we compare ourselves to our Western neighbours, and it is hard to not get jealous when Austrians earn 3x as much as the average person here, even through Ukrainians earn 10x less and the average world citizen 15x less.
>>59793799
all these extremely poor are not in eu
irrelevant
>>59792784
>German taxpayer pumps a lot of money into Poland
and you unironically think Germany does that out of charity? What your taxpayers invest, German companies syphon tenfold out of Poland
>>59793467
>So are you thinking of Germans as dumb suckers who give you money and get nothing in return? Or did I misunderstand you?
wew lad
I naively thought that the donations are about common good, because as you said yourself being near a poor shithole would harm your economy as well, but it's good to know that it was about something to discipline us with all along.
>That never works. EU was also intended this way, but as soon as a crisis arrives, people demand that Germany takes the role of leadership
The ties between EU cunts are much weaker in pretty much every aspect. There's plenty of conflicts of interest and grievances. Meanwhile if one of the V4 cunts gets fucked, everyone else also gets in trouble. And the other way around - almost any economical or political gain for any of V4 cunts is a gain for the rest of them as well. Can't say the same about EU.
>>59793522
Those are nominal, not price adjusted values.
Here you can look up the price adjusted ones https://www.gapminder.org/world/
They were more like 10k-15k USD per capita. And nobody can tell me people lived the same in the late 30s and 1970s. Like 40 percent of families in Czechoslovakia in 1989 had cars, in 1938 almost none. My grandfather had like 8 siblings and half of them died during childhood and he grew up in wartime, barefoot, dirt poor. My father grew up in a nice, insulated commieblock, was saved from death by infectious pneumonia at the age of 2 and he went to discos in the evening as a early 20something. The nominal values are misleading because the economy was in the shitter in 1990.
Poles are fucking dumb, you could have stayed in the USSR this would have changed nothing to your future situation.
>>59793874
Because they would not be admitted there in the first place. A country has to be quite stable to get into EU.
>>59793874
That's precisely his point.
>>59794093
>Poles are fucking dumb,
>you could have stayed in the USSR
talking about dumb
>>59794093
>Stayed in USSR
yeah wat?
>>59794119
Just ignore him.
He can take it down to "Nigeria is ever poorer, so you should accept your role as eternal wage slave and be happy" level.
>>59794093
Said the surrender frog, who not only have no idea about history, but also once had shitloads of colonies from which nowadays only niggers and ghettoes are left.
>>59794014
>I naively thought that the donations are about common good
Yeah sorry, if you thought you get several billions a year, with no strings attached, you were pretty naive. If you take you gonna give.
>>59793522
Also pre-EU does not mean commie. Slovakia's GDP per capita was beyond 1990 level long before EU.
>>59794129
>>59794119
We are talking about the EU, not about africa.
Those are the countries that matter, and those are the only countries that I am mentioning.
Literal poorer countries taking in refugees and living poor while poland complains.
Also, you said it yourself, one of the negatives for poor countries in EU is prices.
>>59794317
>Just ignore him.
Ignore him, yes, because he's telling the truth about you poles being whiny.
>>59794514
We won't take in refugees because fuck no and Germans are the ones whining, end of story.
>>59794514
Ignore him because he didn't read 1/5 of the topic and have no idea about what we are whining about.
>>59794514
I think millions of random, shady people with a religion infamous for supporting present-day atrocities entering foreign lands are basically commiting an act of war. I think no country has the duty to hold refugees. Poor, rich, middling, it is their territory. I think Germans have the right to send the migrants home and we have the same right.
>>59793654
>During this time we were DRAINED by ussr and western sanctions against ussr, and only entered the UE to compete against fully grown markets.
well, life isn't fair. Unfortunately, your generation has to work for low wages to increase the wealth of your country, like our fathers and grandfathers did.
>And this shit about being scared of being nazi must fucking stop soon.
Well, the fact that your media is constantly comparing us to third reich isnt helping
>>59794514
>Literal poorer countries taking in refugees and living poor while poland complains.
but you know that in fact it has nothing to do with our wealth. In the end its all about islam which we despise.
>>59794689
but i agree w you on this
this wasn't what i was making a point about
anyway thread is on auto sage i'm going to eat pizza now
gg everyone
>>59794689
>I think no country has the duty to hold refugees.
I do, and I'm with Germany on this.
There is only one "but" : most of those people are conscript-age men who refused to defend their own homeland and they seek "refuge" where there are money to be given out and women to be raped/harrassed.
I don't call them refugees.
>>59794813
>Well, the fact that your media is constantly comparing us to third reich isnt helping
Like it was said before, it's TVP, which became PiS propaganda tube. And because of this hardly anyone wants to watch it ( they have view rates below 10% ). Ignore those fags.
>well, life isn't fair. Unfortunately, your generation has to work for low wages to increase the wealth of your country, like our fathers and grandfathers did.
I know life isn't fair. We all do. Still - don't expect us to be overjoyed about working constantly for lower wages without the chance of leveling wealth with the west because of how UE is designed.
>>59795006
Jewish refugees from Nazis did not mind living in freaking ALBANIA http://www.besathepromise.com/bios.html . The fact that all of these "refugees" are going to welfare paradises shows most of them are economic migrants and not from Syria. For someone from Syria, even Macedonia would be good enough.
>>59795006
>>59795449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8n-eo5fDYU
>>59795225
>>59795449
>>59795559
I for one think it's hilarious karma.
I remember how western europe laughed at >ahuahuahua
>huehuehue
>eastern european plumbers xDDD
Apparently unwashed, unemployed rapists from middle east are better.
Good for You, westerners!
>>59781946
Poland please no, you are our greatest ally.
>>59796161
>america
>our ally
kek worthy
>>59782168
Yeah remember when we invaded poland and occupied your coutry for decades turning it into a post soviet hell hole or that time we assinated your president, oh wait that was russia.
>>59796161
>you are our greatest ally.
This is probably why we still need visas, your TV constantly brainwashes everyone about "polish" concentration camps, and both Clinton and Trump would give us to Russia for one oil barrel.
>>59796269
You sold us to the Russians.
>>59782784
Why would we do that? We want a atrong poland to counter russian sphere of influence the worst that will happen is some marines will get into drunken fist fights with bydlos.
>>59796495
>Why would we do that?
True.
There are no oil or cheesburger deposits here.
>>59796320
>polish concentration camps
Most people probably dont even know aushwitz is in poland they judt know about evil germans killing Jews.
>>59796495
>some marines will get into drunken fist fights with bydlos.
actually that already happen capule years ago.
Daily reminder that western europe will betray you in one nanosecond. Poland semper fi
>>59796795
>capule
*couple
>>59796320
>and both Clinton and Trump would give us to Russia for one oil barrel.
keked
Calm down, Russia is not that powerful, we are literally paper tagers. Nobody would give us even Ukraine
>>59796870
No one is saying in an open conflict. Why the fuck would Putin need 38 milion pissed off plumbers?
