Murrika fuck yeah
Suburbanites deserve their fate 2bh.
Those are worse than commieblocks.
>>59697556
Yuropoors can't handle the freedom.
>>59697652
No they're not.
>>59697696
Ok, they have a yard.
But close enough.
It's called efficiency
>>59697652
sorry but no
>>59697556
I'll never understand why you fags shit on people who live in suburbs or other mass produced living spaces.
What, is everyone expected to build their own custom home? 99.99% of people just need a living space to call their own so they can get on with their lives and careers.
Is there something inherently wrong with orderly infrastructure with minimal clutter?
So what if it's the Pottery Barn/IKEA equivalent of communal habitation? Like you mouth breathers could do any better.
Oh yeah, I'm sure you're all living in some modern trendy architectural marvel overlooking a scenic vista straight out of a 19th century impressionist rendition.
Ask most Americans, I'm sure those assholes love living in their quaint little samefag suburbs.
Those McMansions are about 1000x more roomy and comfy than your average french hovel.
>>59697692
>>59697652
lol no
>>59697929
Don't even pretend you wouldn't give up everything for the chance to live here.
>>59697929
>Urban commercial zoning has room for extensive parking in a nation where the major mode of transportation is automobile
>"This is bad because we don't do this in France viva la France"
Don't know what to tell you bud
>>59697696
>>59697862
>>59697983
Big house, no latinos with cucaracha blasting on the upper floor, no moors selling drugs on the floor below, plenty of space for you and your family.
>>59698164
>americans actually believe this
>>59697652
definitely not
>>59698164
The goal of the pic is precisely to show how the US way of life has historically been subjugated to the car industry.
Anyway, the pic is obsolete, this is what it looks like nowadays.
Please post pictures of comfy suburb neighbourhoods in USA.
>>59698445
That's still a lot of parking
>>59698467
I don't have pics, but I can provied a groundview video if you want:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRItYDKSqpQ
>>59698467
This is the street that I grew up on.
>>59697652
They are, but both suck. Middle housing and mid-rises are going to save america
>>59697652
>an entire house is worse than a small apartment within a huge complex
Makes sense
>>59698323
Mind explaining why its bad instead of just memeing?
>>59698445
>Subjugated
It takes about four hours drive to get from one side of my state to the other.
On foot it takes four days of nonstop walking.
>>59698707
Looks comfy.
>>59698323
It's only logical, you monkey.
>>59698825
Because that entire city center is not a city. It's a parking lot with some buildings nearby. Wasted space.
>>59697692
>Yuropoors
I'm sorry how did this meme stick, do you honestly believe you are earning more or living better than me? Nice little exploit to group the romanian gypsy with the prosperous ones even tho half of you would die to live as well as we do and the other half would kill for it.
Poncey fucking dumbass
>>59698164
>>59698825
What we think is bad is not having efficient common transportation inside the cities, to avoid building these monstruosities
Of course your country is huge so cars are important to drive to the other side of the state, but it's just a bad idea inside cities. Noise, heat, pollution, all this space taken by parkings, it could have been avoided
>>59698916
just banter m8 don't take everything so personally
>>59698879
It was comfy as fuck tbqh
>you will never again be 10 years old wandering around the woods out back all day long
So long as you don't spend all your time hovering 1000ft above the towns, suburban life is some sweet nectar.
>peaceful
>beautiful
>semi private
>streets are prime for biking or street hockey
>girls washing cars half naked in summer time
>smell of delicious barbecue and garlic in the air every summer evening
>going outside to laugh at that one household the cops have to go to every week because of a disturbance
>dem blissful mornings filled with birdsong
>dat smell of freshly cut grass
Silly trolls.
>>59698963
You fell for the "pretending to not understand the meme" meme. Quite embarrassing tbqhwyf.
>>59698566
Hahahah........!
What's happening to the English language in USA, I wonder?
>>59699003
Yes but >>59698694
>>59698933
You think we have space issues in the US? I assure you, we do not.
>>59698911
So sorry we have space to spare
>>59698933
Ah yes lets just invest a few million on creating an entire public transportation system from the ground up that only the people who have no car would use.
It's a waste of money and it always has been, the only exception is New York City and San Fransisco who decided to invest in these things before the rise of the automobile.
>>59699003
These houses and this place looks comfy (please tell me it's not in reality in the middle of the desert or anything??)
Pic related is where I grew up.
Suburbs don't sound bad if you like driving. The only reason why I would never do it is homeowner's associations. Fuck that
>>59699055
>driver's ed is free in school
>buy your 1st car for $1000 at 16
>only have to drive 5-10 minutes on free flowing roads to get to shopping
>somehow this is a problem
Does /int/ know why or even care why we live in suburbs?
>>59698911
Why is that street so fucking narrow with a triple or quadruple sized sidewalk? How can you get anywhere when the traffic must be so congested? How do you even find a parking space? That city looks impossible to navigate.
>>59699144
People use public transport almost everywhere it's available.
>>59699108
It still wasn't necessary. That's like saying "I will let the shower on 24h/24h because we don't lack water".
>>59699173
This was meant for you >>59698707 as well.
>>59699003
american burbs planning is shittier t b h
>>59697556
These suburbs are actually in Canada. Should have checked your facts bro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markham,_Ontario#/media/File:Markham-suburbs_aerial-edit2.jpg
>>59699108
missing the point, efficiency is not debunkable by "we can afford to". Not to mention the time saved for people traveling, money spent/earned etc
>>59699174
You can live in neighborhoods that don't have a homeowner's association. The ones that have them are mostly for stuck up elderly people with nothing better to do than hold council meetings dictating lawn ornament regulations.
>>59699199
to not get shot in cities? don't tell me that isn't most or at least part of it.
>>59699242
How so? Is it because we don't cram our people in old cramped apartments?
>>59699144
>that only the people who have no car would use.
Right now yeah, it's too late for this. If these had been created from the start it would have been ok.
>>59699144
It's not about space, it's about livability.
>>59699285
Basically it's stay away from minorities and for some living space. No one wants to live next to Sanchez or Tyrone.
>>59699212
My neighborhood (>>59698707) was in a forested area, within walking distance of my old high school and only a few minutes from groceries and other stores.
>>59699261
the burbs in Canada are the same in the US
They're both comfy
>>59699108
>>59699144
>Muh space
That's only one argument. There rest are the pollution, the noise, and the heat.
>>59699337
So yes
>>59699208
Poor people use it. Why should we waste money on them?
>>59699388
That's a very American post, I'm proud of you
Around the corner from my house
While I vastly prefer Europe, one benefit of suburbs is large plots for gardening. I like shade gardening.
It's here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfax_County,_Virginia
>>59699348
Nice to hear, lad. Not bad at all.
>>59699242
Russia has the best burbs planning. USA does shittiest suburbs. Why would anyone want to live in a place that looks stupid from the sky, right?
>>59699318
Are you implying that having a parking lot makes a city unlivable?
>>59699354
>Pollution
Minus air and light pollution our cities are pretty spotless
>Noise
Get soundproof walls
>Heat
Get AC
>>59699433
On vacation right now, but that's where I'm from. Proud Restonian reportan
>>59699201
Easy: you don't use a car.
Honestly the only people that hate suburbs are 18-23 year olds that don't have cars or easy access to a train that takes then to the center of the nearest city
>>59699572
That' sounds terrible
>>59699487
>"A parking lot"
That pic wasn't just "a parking lot" it was a concrete hell. I know it's outdated tho
>Get soundproof walls
>Get AC
>"let's solve the consequence instead of tackling the source of the problem"
>Minus air pollution
>"Minus you know, the air we breathe and need to live, it's ok"
Basically
>They were planning to add more suburban sprawl near DC, like OP pic
>Decided to deliberately halt it, and instead experiment with a "Smart growth" model of high-density housing above shops and public plazas
>Build it around a rail line to DC that was recently built (Silver line)
>Ended up being pretty successful since it's now packed
>Micro-shops under apartments so you can walk to everything
It ends up looking like a town... but it's not, there's no mayor or anything. It's technically a dense suburb
Because of the success they're emulating this for other suburbs around DC, like Rosslyn and Arlington
>>59699487
It's not a city mate. That city centre is a car lot with buildings around it
>>59699209
Even so, that was a picture of some specific place in Texas this is not common for the USA in general. In fact when I saw the pic, I assumed it was some foreign country and immediately laughed at how stupid it was. In most places, parking is just normal lots directly in front of the shops or malls. If it's major commuter center, there will be parking garages that stack cars skyward as opposed to outward.
>>59699055
It depends what part of the country you are in. Suburbs in the west are more copy and pasted houses and walking is harder, but in my community (in the northeast) the houses are more unique and I can walk or take public transport nearly anywhere.
>>59699666
Nice satanic get
Also, good for Washington. Urbanism needs to revert to it's pre 1950's roots in order to progress. Almost everything since than has been a mistake, no matter the country.
>>59699679
Parking garage are very common in big cities
>>59699572
Then how can you go anywhere? It would take all day to get to anything. How could you even carry your groceries around without a car?
>>59699666
It's pretty neat that the apartments and condos are abouve shops and gyms and whatnot so you can literally just walk to them or take an elevator
It also allows for more unique stores, like those that sell NICHE MICROBREWS
MUH
MICROWBREWWWWWS
>>59699679
Yeah I understand this, and I gather from here >>59698445 it's better now
>>59699666
What town is this? Going road tripping next month starting from NYC. Before hitting VA Beach, I'll stop here to check out their new layouts.
>>59699752
They usually only buy what they are going to eat for the day
>>59699666
>>59699755
Robert E. Simon did nothing wrong
>>59699802
How incredibly inefficient.
>>59699553
ayyy lol, I'm mentioning Reston here:
>>59699666
I live across the beltway in Annandale, but I go to Reston every month for treatment for my spine condition
>>59698911
>tfw I had sex 100 metres from where that photo was taken
( ￢ w ￢ * ) ｳﾌﾟﾌﾟ
>>59699667
Not anymore, and it isn't the center smartypants. I don't understand why you twats always get after us so much.
>>59699656
>The heat is caused by cars
It's caused by being in a giant concrete jungle, and unlike Europe, We're the same latitude as the Sahara.
>The noise is caused by cars
Got me there, better get rid of every single car so we can have absolute silence.
>Air pollution
Give me a fucking break, the Brazilians are doing more to get rid of the air we breathe than car exhaust ever will. The city with noticible smog is L.A., one of the largest in the fucking country.
Does Europe not have suburbs?
>>59699941
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>59699947
we have commie blocks
>>59699802
for a few days
then you accumulate varios long-lasting shit in your kitchen and only buy things like bread and milk
why americans so stupid?
>>59699833
I think so to but it only happens in small towns. Don't let these yuropoors tell you otherwise. and I'm nit sure what the Brazilian is on about because half the people there live in sprawling cramped ghettos and tar paper shacks in the country
>>59699972
See >>59698445
Houston isn't like that anymore bud, but you're pretending it is to get a rise out of people.
It's fucking rich to what lengths you jerks go to get people upset.
>>59699833
Not when your trips don't take half an hour. Small grocery stores scattered around everywhere are the norm.
>>59700075
I'm asking about the Brazilian thing.
>>59700008
*not
>>59699947
They do but they are commie blocks built for poor people. Everything in Europe is a lot more centralized then here
>>59699947
Euro countries are tiny. I don't think they can afford to have too many suburban areas.
>>59699985
>>59700120
That sounds awful
>>59699174
Some HoA's especially in places like Texas or Florida gained notoriety for stupid strict rules
But HoAs enforce ordnung. They prevent people from littering, parking cars on their front, leaving piles of construction stuff around
Our HoA intervened when a spic family kept burning garbage in their backyard causing smoke and chemical stench, and we got them deported back to Nicaragua. Ours also got these rednecks to get a rusting old pickup off their front and send it to a junkyard (it was totally broken)
Also HoAs make sure plants and trees don't block out electrical boxes or poles, or don't smother light poles. There are vines like Virginia Creeper, English Ivy and Kudzu that like climbing poles. If you don't stop them, they'll climb onto light poles and cover the lights
Is darkest hours any good? Is it fun? What's the difference?
>>59700105
You jerks burning the #1 air producing forest in the world for your 3rd world farms.
>>59700338
>air producing
>>59700309
Are you talking about hearts of iron or something
>>59700400
>Oxygen is not necessary for survival
>>59700149
It's better than driving two hours everyday because of
>muh freedom
While living in a place that makes you cut your grass else you get fined, prohibits you from using most of your land (making you have to have a lawn instead), and oretends not to be in a city
>>59700416
Wew, I posted it in this fucking thread. That's funny. As long as you're replying, do you have an answer?
>>59700486
>oxygen = air
>>59700184
You can't park in front of your house?
I don't know why it triggers people some much
Those are just horizontal gommieblocks
I don't understand the ridiculous curvy roads. It doesn't fucking look nice, stop doing it.
>>59700524
No because i haven't played the game seriously yet
>>59700492
>Driving two hours
Dumbass no, it's driving for 5-10 minutes.
>Cut your grass or get fined
Do you want wild grass in your front yard?
>Prohibits you from using most of your land
What would you use your front yard for?
>Pretends not to be in a city
It "pretends" to not be the Urban city.
>>59700546
Don't be a picky brat.
>>59700585
I'm just guessing, but it makes it look more intimate and personal, rather than living somewhere you can see more houses 800 meters down the road.
>>59700338
The Amazon consumes as much oxygen as it produces. Plants also perform respiration. You should have paid attention to your biology classes, Cletus.
>>59700556
They aren't comparable to commieblocks at all
>>59699433
Looks very comfy.
I could see myself living there.
>>59700664
Wouldn't be a problem if they just planted some fucking trees around
>>59700691
>a lung breathes in as much air as it breathes out
>therefore humans don't need them
>you should've paid attention in your biology classes
brazilian education everyone
>>59700134
pic related
>>59700691
>this is what forest burners actually believe
>>59700793
I'm talking about the Amazonian Rainforest, dumbass. Not that your "analogy" makes any sense anyway.
>>59699173
This looks like a profoundly shittier version of the waterfront upper middle to upper class areas of Long Island. If houses were nicer and if you could spin the camera around backwards to see a bunch of shores, it would look exactly like particular areas in Centerport.
>>59700547
I mean like on top of your garden, not on the road or driveway
The pickup was literally on the grass and one tire on the flower bed
>>59700691
Rainforests produce like what 20% of the worlds oxygen?
Are you telling me that a bunch of monkeys and pumas in a jungle breathe so much that 20% of the entire world's oxygen is contained within the jungle?
No wonder you dipshits keep burning it, you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
>>59699771
Reston, VA
I hear Burke Centre nearby might get the same treatment
>you will never grow up there
>you will never lose your virginty to your hot neighbour whom you grew up with at 15 years old in a treehouse you built togheter when you were 10
>>59697652
I'd say they're about equally as bad.
>>59700866
The Amazon is the earth's lung.
You were saying that it doesn't matter if we destroy it because it produces as much oxygen as it consumes, confirming you as being a literal retarded person or a troll, or perhaps both.
>>59700911
Try rereading my post, moron. I'm actually impressed you managed to misinterpret it this badly. And you call me a monkey? Top hue.
>>59701041
I never called you a monkey you dyslexic dipshit
Can you provide evidence that supports your claim?
>>59700492
Lmao we don't drive two hours everyday. How can you be this misinformed?
>>59701231
>tfw you actually do drive two hours a day
A-at least it's mostly on the highway.
>>59701012
>The Amazon is the earth's lung.
Pure myth. Do they still say that in your TV programs? They stopped forcing that shit a long time ago here.
I never said "it doesn't matter" if it's destroyed, it does matter, but not for this nonsensical reason.
>>59699989
>why americans so stupid?
ironic coming from a russian
>>59700875
It is actually water everywhere. Pic related is said city/town. The "class" that my neighbourhood consist of is upper middle with a few rich people here and there (I don't think they are many tho). It's nothing special, it's not like a rich american neighbourhood.
>>59701265
You commute to work in the city from an outlying suburb, I assume? It's not terribly uncommon.
>>59701485
I commute to work in one suburb from another suburb on the opposite end of the city.
>>59701508
That's hilarious. Why wouldn't you just move to the other suburb? It can't be so much worse than your current one to warrant a 2hr daily commute. Sleep is precious, friend. As is wear to your vehicle.
>>59700875
>>59701453
Another pic, I think now it looks even more similar?
>>59701231
NoVA guy here
People do commute 2 hours or longer, but it's their fault for moving so far away from their work
There are people who commute to DC from Leesburg, Fredricksburg etc. Even outer parts of Prince William County or Fauqier can take 2 hours to get to DC. The upside for them is the houses out there are cheap and big in the exurbs. Maybe they don't mind the commute, who knows, but it's their loss
And besides, the more suckers who move way out to get a long commute, the more space there is near my job there is available.
I knew a teacher in Alexandria who lived all the way out in King George's county, which is like 3 hours in traffic. It's like half the length of Belgium away.
>>59701655
Because I'm still in my parents house. I'm saving money so I can buy my own place in the city.
>>59700981
But you get to have a dramatic and romantic moment with your childhood love at the top of the Eiffel tower. You will both be wearing scarves and listening to accordions while gazing into each others eyes in French.
>>59701664
It certainly is close, at least superficially so from ground level. Aren't any mountains, as the entirety of Long Island is a sand bar, and it isn't quite so densely populated. Still it's similar enough to trigger nostalgia in someone who grew up on the LI shores.
>>59699201
The answer is simple.
Europe actually has more than 200 years of history
>>59702601
And no living space
>>59702601
I guess that gives you something nice to think about while sitting in your 3 x 3 box you call an "apartment".
>>59698916
>how did this meme stick
because yerps are poor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage
>>59702791
Are you suggesting that we should just tear our old cities with all its history down and build new just because it would be nice to have wide streets everywhere?
>>59703003
Yes. Why should modern people have to live in barbaric conditions?
>>59699802
No ?
When i do groceries i buy enough for at least a week, usually 1 or 2 months
>>59703059
We enjoy living amid the history.
>>59703123
We enjoy being able to extend our arms all the way without hitting a wall or another person.
>>59703164
>americans are at the very least 2 meters wide or more
the memes are real
>>59703123
>history
most of that shit is from the 18th+ century which makes it about as old as any given eastern US town or city
>>59703331
kek
There are plenty of shitty suburbs in Europe and there are plenty of highly urbanized cities in the US.
Why do Europeans like to pretend that they all live in 17th century buildings in the city center, just above the baker?
It's a statistical fact that 90% of you are posting from soulless commieblocks 30+ minutes by car and several bus lines from the nearest city center.
>>59700981
>>you will never lose your virginty to your hot neighbour whom you grew up with at 15 years old in a treehouse you built togheter when you were 10
>Implying you have to grow up in the USA to di this
The key is not being an autist
>>59703123
It does sound beautiful and significant and is probably great to live there and be surrounded by all the world's most important history, but if someone told me I had to move to one of these countries, I might shoot myself in the head.
>>59703336
Maybe those in my particular photo, but Europe is generally filled with buildings 3 times as old as your country. We enjoy walking around with old buildings of which you can speak proudly about how it was there 500 or 1000 years ago and so on. I guess it's an european thing. If you live somewhere with old history, you grow up being proud of it. That's why we enjoy it.
Country>>>>>>>>>>>Suburb
Only shitty thing is the internet which isn't even shitty if you live on the outskirts of a moderate sized city.
>>59703546
>Europe is generally filled with buildings 3 times as old as your country
No, it's not. It's filled with new buildings; old buildings are the exception. They are nice tourist attractions, though.
>>59703572
![Nicolas-Sarkozy-the-French-Aristocrat--29032[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iTFzMlS.jpg "Nicolas-Sarkozy-the-French-Aristocrat--29032[1].jpg")
>>59703410
>he doesn't dwell in his family inherited castle
I bet you don't even have a dedicated shitposting butler at your service
>commoners
>>59703410
And at least our suburbs fucking look nice.
>>59703742
In my small city of 40k people there are like 10 buildings which are at least 800 years old, I wonder how many there are in italian cities. I'm not saying that all our buildings are old, I'm saying you find them everywhere there's old history.
>>59703331
>yuros are so overcrowded they don't even have 2 yards + 6.7402 inches of personal space
the memes are real
>>59703059
>>59703164
>>59703444
Fucking hell is this some cringeworthy attempt at banter? Goddamn cletus
>>59703974
He's not wrong, while I do prefer historic areas, Oslo felt like a totally 'murrican mid-size city. Fully of tons of fairly new boxy utilitarian structures
Although I do say, the Labour party headquarters building is... interesting looking
>>59705082
in the past northerners never had big cities to show for
>>59705082
Wew lad. You don't go to Norway to find cities filled with old buildings, least of all Oslo (kek) which is pretty much a modern city from the get go (apart from some parts of the city that remain old).
North American mcmansions have very poor build quality. Built by mexicans and ex-cons on the cheap, thin drywall + vinyl siding is all that stands between the indoors and out, frail drywall interiors. As also stated, they have huge transportation (car only, long distance) and location problems (only "close" to strip malls with chain stores)
Cost efficiency goes like this:
Location >> safety of neighborhood >>> Build quality >>> Luxury amendments >>> Garden size/availability >>>> Physical interior size
Most of the price of an intelligent persons choice in condo should go towards location, demographics and safety.
>>59705410
>You don't go to Norway to find cities filled with old buildings
S..sorry. I just heard it was comfy so stopped by. Also was a metalhead at the time (I know, cringe)
>>59705185
This.
Norway had 200 000 people 500 years ago. The old buildings you find here are only in particular places of each city that has grown up today. It's a lot different if you visit Italy for example (best example imo)-
>>59705591
It's ok. I hope you liked it here.
You could've come to Bergen instead btw. You'd see old buildings there. But I guess you came for other reasons.
>>59705672
>You could've come to Bergen instead btw. You'd see old buildings there. But I guess you came for other reasons.
I did, it looked a lot nicer. Also the forests a bit because I wanted to "feel" the Black Metal forest experience lmao
>>59705888
Lol, alright. Did you feel it?
>>59705938
Yes, and it was pouring cold rain too
>>59705985
Did you see Odin walking amid the trees and the rain?
>>59706164
No unfortunately, unless that's the name of the hikers I sometimes saw :^)
>>59706246
One of them could have been him, you never know. He will appear as a traveller. Perhaps in a modern society he will appear as a hiker.
>>59705434
A lot of mcmansions aren't that bad. My friend lives in one and it's great. It's all about location.
>>59706554
I'll keep an eye out, pun intended
Anyways why did Oslo end up looking so "nu age" anyways? If it's new, why didn't they build it with traditional or vernacular Euro architecture? Like Stockholm? Seems like a missed opportunity for the most relevant part of Norway
>>59707758
I don't know. I guess it isn't profitable to build old when there are modern ways to build a city. Oslo tries its best to be modern instead of old. Oslo isn't really that new (it has some old parts), but it is new as a big city.
>>59699173
Hahaaa. Fant deg! :D
>>59697556
my parents have house + land alongside with apartments. personal houses are pretty overrated imho, but having land is cool, you can grow vegetables and stuff there and don't buy them in groceries. after graduating want to go to the south so i can do gardening there whole year
