what's their secret?
Soviet incompetence
yo mama
>>59685204
that picture is facebook tier and factually incorrect
>>59685204
Lose wars and then pretend they won.
sisu
Memes
Spurdo
Lack of descent plan in soviet military. I think, they hoped for Revolution in Finland and/or escape abroad of its government.
>>59685204
The bullet is a natural sound to a Fin
When he hears one it reminds him of his ancestral homeland where his people would play the morin khuur
The sound of the morin khuur is like no other except that of the bullet
In Finland they say "wo kin may lundaspaata" which means thou our people are gone and we are the only left and we must fight to survive
Tengri bless
>>59685239
This
The soviet union didn't have any men.
>>59685204
Mongol blood
>>59685357
*decent
>>59685408
They had men but they didn't have manly men.
Tengri bless
>>59685446
>Lasting approximately six hours, the German ground campaign against Denmark was the shortest military operation of the Second World War.
>>59685432
>They had men
>had men
>men
No
>>59685446
>Be afraid
>Can't even take his land back from Sweden
Gentrification
>>59685446
>trying to be Finland-tier but not realising his country gave up after SIX HOURS
>>59685213
So much this.
Thanks to the Stalin's Great Purge any remaining competent commanders had been wiped the fucked out. Up until 1944 Red Army was rather about winning with the use sheer numbers, even though Soviet weaponry itself was actually quite alright. It's the officers proficiency that was dear awful.
updated
still a very impressive feat
>>59685846
>dead number ranging from 48k to 167k
Who calculates these stuff?
>>59685846
>...or burned
>Finland
Cocktail much
Do Finns sometimes wish the Soviets won so they'd know what it's like to have real culture?
>>59685846
we din't have any tanks that actually fired shots.
they were used as diggers senpai
>>59685932
>Soviets
>Culture
No.
>>59685446
fucking danes, you have no glory moments
you surrenderd in a day
>>59685932
we'd be like estonia?
no thank you
>>59685846
That's like saying the japs were impressive in defending themselves from the mongol invasion. The weather did all the work. Finns are a joke, they were useless in the offense in WW2.
>>59686080
>t. defeated by gommunist jungle gooks
>>59686080
because Finns were not interested in offence. They just wanted to reclaim their territory.
As such Finns did no participate in the raid of Stalingrad.
>>59685918
communists and non communists?
>>59686118
>>59686159
reduce sodium intake plz
>>59686080
all we did was grab rightful clay, we purposefully steered clear from engaging in the siege of leningrad even though we could've stopped food being taken into the city. it was even recognized by the soviets in the eventual peace treaty that we were a good boy dindu nuffin.
Daily reminder that Battle of Vienna was utmost important battle for Europes well being as Christians.
>>59686080
literally crossed the svir river
>>59686159
Stalingrad is pretty far away tho
>>59685506
>>59685652
we are a little fucking country without mountains what were we supposed to do?
>>59686277
it's not at all far away
>>59686277
no it really wasn't
>>59686277
it's by far the closest metropolis to finland
>>59686331
you're pretty confused
>>59686159
taidat sekottaa stalin ja leningradin
>>59686295
>>59686316
>>59686331
But Volgograd(Stalingrad) is in the Northern Caucasus
>>59685826
>Fuck "strategy", just throw people and steel at the enemy, dude.
>tfw my great granddads fought in that war
>tfw I'm a useless faggot
>>59686347
>Speaks English
>Doesn't
And I thought Americans were rude
We should have conquered Leningrad for the honour and glory regardless of the consequences to be honest familias.
When you fight against army whose favourite past time is carving wooden dick missiles you never know what they are going to kill you with.
>>59686452
>Finland will never develop the nuke before America and bomb Leningrad and Moscow until the Red Army submits and thus saving Germany aswell as reconquering Karelia for Finland
>>59685204
How could win?
Some Mongolian snow farmers armed with a few outdated weapons?
Or the entire soviet army?
>>59686408
we dun goofed
>>59686080
>american education
If you want to banter, the least you could do is to read a few books maybe. Yesterday there was a Canadian mocking Finns about the war, but he had some knowledge on the matter
>400,000+ missing
>>59686514
Soviet army of course.
>thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz4mIn3swD0
>>59686498
eipäs ole
>>59686557
>swedish sami
>>59686557
>tfw look like that
>>59686490
>the Finnish flag will never fly over the Saint Petersburg cathedral
>Finnish troops will never march trough the general staff building
>>59685204
>every competent officer is killed in the purge
>finland has a lot of marsh and rivers, extremely unsuitable territory for an invasion
>fight during the winter, soviets lacked good winter equipment
>because of winter a lot of soviet aircraft couldn't be used
>mannerheim line
once the mannerheim line was broken they were more than okay with signing the treaty, and as casualty-costy everything was for the SU, the war is somewhat justificable because of how close the border was to leningrad.
>>59686565
That seems a pretty poor result in the end, Ivan
The Australian Emu war probably went better than that and they lost to birds
>>59686208
>provided factual information
>haha le salty meme xDD
Wow, you're literate
>>59686655
>the war is somewhat justificable because of how close the border was to leningrad
Ayy oo Finland we are kinda worried that you might side with Germany so we are going to attack you.
Ayy oo you guys sided with Germany after we attacked you.
See guys we dindu nuffing wrong
Ruskies not even once
>>59686655
pretty sure those same officers won WWII dunno m8
>>59686815
nah, it's very easy to block leningrad from the strait that finland had before the first war.
>>59686825
the purge two years before the war with finland was only good for stalin's paranoia. smart/experienced ones who developed grand strategy plans like tukhachevsky perished in that.
>>59685204
They are smart guys
>>59686928
>i actually think Finland a country with a population of 5 million would have started shit with the Soviet Union arguably the strongest country in Euope at the time with a population of 100 even tho the city that they would have started shit with had and still has a bigger population of Finland.
Are you for real?
>>59685204
>>59686928
Was it actually purely to do with stalin's paranoia or is there an actual reason for the purge?
>>59687071
who knows, hungary and romania allied up with germans, a lot of germans were influential in finland, the thought of a "greater finland" was popular around 1917 in finland, go figure why they wanted to move the border away.
>>59687173
Communists are generally nothing but bloodthirsty animals, feasting on each other.Most of NKVD high rank officials, who were repressing people, were repressed later.
>>59687173
What they taught us at school, it was Stalin's paranoia
>>59687192
>who knows
Holy fuck
>>59687173
purely paranoia, guy feared that someone would oust him like he'd ousted others before.
it did nothing good for the soviet union, and as far as i know (could be incorrect tho) the soviet union didn't suffer from any huge rebel-problems in the late 30's.
a shame considering how later field marshals admited to using theories created by those purged officers and theorists.
>>59687310
i'm not stalin, but i've explained the motives to you rationally.
now lemme enjoy vyborg.
>>59685372
>"wo kin may lundaspaata"
>>59685204
Technology stolen from the Hwan Empire
>>59687362
>i've explained the motives to you rationally.
and i've explained why finland would have never attacked but you and most russians will just say who knows to justify the shit that they did.
now return Viipuri
>>59687514
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Finland
again since history went as it went with soviets attacking first, it's speculation if finland would go for this plan or not.
>and i've explained why finland would have never attacked
because of the finns' low number of people in the war? lots of minor nations or people were part of the axis.
>>59687615
>it's speculation if finland would go for this plan or not.
no it's not.
how bad do the oods need to be before you belive finland wouldn't have attacked the soviets.
for christ's sake we din't have a single tank for attacking.
You are just ignoring the facts to justify Soviet actions.
>because of the finns' low number of people in the war? lots of minor nations or people were part of the axis.
1. We werent part of the axis
2. i have explained to you multiple times how finland is not in a position to attack the Soviets.
3 we only aligned ourselves with Germany because they were the only ones willing to help.
>again since history went as it went with soviets attacking first
They even tried to make it look like we attacked first
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila
>>59687918
>no it's not.
how bad do the oods need to be before you belive finland wouldn't have attacked the soviets.
just like swedes let germans pass on their territory while being neutral, so could the finns have had done if they just stayed neural, for all we know finns would have let germans pass from finland into leningrad or simply blockading it by maintaining a army or naval presence.
everything is speculation because neither I and you can say that it would've been so or not since soviets attacked first. and i'm aware of how soviets tried to justify it towards the world, but the real reason was that they wanted to move the border.
>3 we only aligned ourselves with Germany because they were the only ones willing to help.
yeah that's what hungarians, romanians, slovaks and all kinds of indigenous ppl in russia say too. that's cool but doesn't change fact that a lot of anti-sovietism was rampant and that finnish nationalism was a thing in the 20th century, giving even more reason for the su to protect itself in a preempetive strike.
>>59685204
Santa Claus
kek :D
>>59688350
>anti-sovietism was rampant and that finnish nationalism
maybe it was because you fulled reds during civil war.
>protect
>preempetive strike.
5m vs 100m
c'mon
>>59688573
wtf I hate Turkey now
>>59688573
Why does everyone think we are mongols ?
>>59689140
meme
>>59685826
> any remaining competent commanders had been wiped the fucked out
oh hi
Was Stalin both Finland's worst enemy and greatest military hero? Cause as dumb as it sounds it's technically true. If not for himself, he would've successfully annexed Finland.
>>59685204
This battle was basically the soviets defeating the soviets by arroganse and ignorance. Ironically the soviet forces had little winter warfare experience or training, and they invaded even without white camo uniforms nor skis. They just moved a large amount of troops into Finland and got slaughtered by the Finns whose expert training in winter warfare allowed them to move around freely and flank the soviet forces. In the snow, without winter-camo uniforms, they just as well could have shot themselves and spared everyone the trouble of it all. The Finns didn't even kill most of the dead soviets. The cold did.
>>59686557
I have a friend who look exactly like him and he is a Tatar.
>>59685357
>I think, they hoped for Revolution in Finland
They didn't honestly believe people actually WANTED to be Communist, right? I mean, the average proletarian perhaps, but surely Soviet leaders and militairy tactitians did not believe people people would voluntarily become Communists?
>>59690838
we had a civil war because people did want communism just 20 years before and there were still deep scars and a huge amount of division between people over that at the time. however it turns out even the commies didn't want it as a part of the SU and a lot of those scars were healed by the common enemy.
plus the fact that we killed about 20,000 of them probably helped.
>>59690838
Soviets probably expected a communist coup to occur, Finland was way too developed and democratic to want to join bydloland in poverty and despair.
>>59687071
>the Soviet Union arguably the strongest country in Euope at the time with
Not even close.
Germany was stronger than USSR.
British+French empires were very strong.
>>59687918
>we only aligned ourselves with Germany because they were the only ones willing to help.
Implying UK and France didn't support Finland in Winter war
>>59691851
Moral support counts for shit, never trust England or France to help anyone but themselves.
>>59685213
/thread
>>59690838
It seem like you do not understand what both communism and nazism were considered okay in 30s.
France had large communist party, USA had communist party, hell, every country had communist party. Moreover, intellectuals were mostly communists. They even spied for USSR because it was the only communist state.
>>59686228
How is that even relevant? Your army didn't even join the battle.
>>59686293
Thank God for our eastern mountain range only rivaled by Urals
>>59691946
Moral support? France gave you 150 aircrafts, UK and France planed to bombarding USSR oilfields in Caucasus. And only German invasion on France held them from this.
>>59691851
Sweden actually denied allied, mainly brit, troops acces to Finland
So thanks sweden lol
>>59689096
well, turkish results are the following:
What language do the Finns spoke?
Are Finns Turks?
What do Finns eat?
Do Finns like Turks?
Since there is no "am/is/are" in Turkish, the results are like this.
>>59692069
>France gave you 150 aircrafts
We didn't even have 150 aircraft, Ivan
>>59692064
You have a mountain range?
>>59692204
We don't even have hills.
>>59692069
And American supplied you with weaponry. No matter what UK/France promised they would do, they never did anything. Germany was the only nation that actually gave us any support (and sweden by taking children and some volunteers). It's not really hard to see why Finland would join forces with Germany. You have to remember in early periods of the war it was considered just another European war (like Napoleonic war or World War 1). And Finland knew USSR didn't want to freely part from Finland (but due to inner turmoil of 1917, they had to).
>>59691144
So was Finland actually allied with Hitler, furthering his aims? Or were you just against Russia and communism?
>>59692414
we took the support they offered
later the remaining german soldiers were force out of the country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War
>>59686277
Stalingrad is the closest country to Finland though?
>>59692414
is lying
>>59692562
actually finland was ln love with germany and they were very much in love, it's considered great shame so everyone gets taught finland "had to" be allied with germany to defend their independence because teachers and politicians here are gay leftist commie cucks
>>59692650
that or you are just some neo nazi
>>59692414
I would call it an alliance, finns have historically had good relations with germans.
>>59692650
This. Nazis should've won and world would be much better off. Imagine; no jews, homos, handicapped people, commies... at least, none of those in Nazi Europe.
>>59692650
Well, it was also the best chance you had to regain clay, amirite?
But this is common. Swedes don't admit that they leaned more towards axis, and Norwegians don't like to admit that we had a nazi party of our own that actually had followers. France don't like to admit that they sent jews to Germany on request. And so on...
>>59692414
as you'll probably guess opinions on this are pretty colored by political revisionism.
however finland probably wasn't super interested in germanys interests other than the knowledge that we have always been on very good terms with them throughout what history we have so they're preferable to any alternatives. i believe that all we really did want was "what was right" after the winter war peace terms and being a young nation and nationalism being the new hot thing we wanted to grab areas populated by our "brother peoples", other finnic tribes. our refusal to move beyond after a certain established point, and our refusal to help with the siege of Leningrad during the continuation war speaks to this. the idea wasn't new or anything either https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimosodat
there was also the reasonable belief that the SU was not done with finland and if we didn't attack then soon they would.
we liked germany just fine but it wasn't exactly a love affair and we had our own interests. and the fact that it wasn't in the wests interest to condemn us after the war helped creating the consensus that finland did "only what was necessary".
>>59692830
We wouldn't be here either, my Turanian friend.
>>59693492
Yes, and?
>>59693543
I'm glad they lost tbqh.
>>59692830
Why would you want one country to rule all of Europe? Super boring if you ask me, even if you support the values of the nazis.
>>59691996
I know most parties had communist/socialist parties back then. They still do... But most did not really feel like joining the Soviet Union, even back then. Especially not when the Red Army was already moving westwards..
>>59693492
Nazis considered Finns "honorary aryans" on the same level as Germans. He said this many times while Finland and Germany were allied against the communist menace.
>>59685204
to Fin bros,
this aa ver "winter war of Finland" is fun
try to enjoy with google translator
http://oyoguyaruo.blog72.fc2.com/blog-entry-6427.html
>>59685204
Russians sent Kuril Finns to fight with Finland
to fin bros,
aa ver "Winter War of Finland 2/2” desu
http://oyoguyaruo.blog72.fc2.com/blog-entry-6435.html
Finns are natural born soldiers like serbs
>>59685242
DWELET THIS
We just completely destroyed russians in ice hockey lmoa
Poor Finland if you ask me
>Finland ask for help, fucking USSR about to invade
>UK says they can't help and they are on their own
>Finland ask helps from Germany
>UK gets upset, tells Finland not to
>Finland hands tied, doesn't have much choice
Deal with the devil or get fucked by another devil
>>59685446
And to think Denmark was a major power once
>>59685242
>What is a Pyrrhic victory
>>59694292
>Nazis considered Finns "honorary aryans" on the same level as Germans.
Nope, Honorary Aryans weren't considered to be biologically Aryan like the Germans for instance and thus not on the "same level".
>>59693543
>Spot the Fennoswede
Secret to what? Finland losing war?
>>59697168
>people play hockey on ice
勉強になりました
>>59694292
This was after Finns allied with Nazis. Before that Finns were subhuman scum according the Nazis.
>>59696555
Trips confirm even bullshit.
>>59695993
Google translate messes up the page, sadly
>>59697429
The title was given to anyone Hitler happened to like at the moment. Ofcourse he would say that after finns allied with him.
>>59688573
DELETE THIS
