Some people describe it as the perfect system, others claim that it is has serious problems. But no one gives me good points.
Please enlighten me.
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>>59651371
its shit lmao
/nordic/
>>59651371
worked for them in their ethnically homogeneous post war period. Absolutely broken with all the refugees.
It's a fucking LIE.
The welfare model was a luxury we could afford because our countries were awesome, now it's collapsing because we decided to share it with the entire world. Btw this model made us all weak and passive because it makes you rely on the state to fix everything for you so once the state takes a big shit on you (Sweden's government is traitourous cunts) you can't do anything.
its so horrible pls send help
>>59651371
It works if you have a homogenous people who work for a common goal, but now its basically fucked by immigrants etc. and no one wants to work for a common goal anymore.
>>59651592
Let me see if I got this.
> this model made us all weak and passive because it makes you rely on the state to fix everything for you so once the state takes a big shit on you (Sweden's government is traitourous cunts) you can't do anything
The system made people dependent on the state, being the populace powerless to fix their own problems (as the government did).
Then the government "turned their backs" to the people (because of reasons) and the people now have no means to properly amend their own issues because only the state would have enough power to do this?
>>59651504
>>59652052
So it worked well before the waves of immigration?
>>59652119
yes, their countries would be all right if they just shut the gates to immigration for a while and integrated them. most of them are brown not black and inter-mingling would be comparatively low.
Norway especially has hoarded up a lot of wealth, they have enough bread for the next 50 years
>>59651669
>>59651592
>>59651445
we have done multiculturalism mostly well enough (canada). Whites are shrinking as a percentage its about 75-70 now but we dont have a fractured society and i think the ethnic minorities have integrated pretty well, obviously there are fobs but on the metro the immigrant schookids all speak either english or french in my native montreal. There are little maghbrebi thugs but the police here aren't cucked, they patrol the metro stations especially the transfer ones which are close to ethnic ghettos and busy filled with passenger traffic. if those punks try anything they get tasered, pepper sprayed and hit with a matraque. if they lunge at the officer they could get shot. in north america cops are allowed to patrol like soldiers.
>>59651371
>it is has serious problems.
This is true, but is still an excellent system. It however, was built for a rich country, not for Brasil. The biggest problems with it are abuse, but it's pretty minor, and the fact than it is used as a bandaid to the broken bone of involuntary umeployment.
Now, this does not mean Brasil should not assist kids so they can go to school etc. However, this system was built by rich countries which became rich using high wage, high employment policies.
Pic very related.
>>59651371
The reason why it 'doesn't work' is because it's effectively being dismantled by globalist liberals and starved to death by financial giants if it ever halts the liberalisation process.
>>59651371
> it has
fix'd (better late than never)
>>59652905
> not for Brasil
Yes, I can imagine. Never thought about it as being possible in Brazil. We are not rich, our political system would have a lot to change, and, in many levels, our population is far from ready for something like this.
> this does not mean Brasil should not assist kids so they can go to school
Agreed. Assistance is a positive thing in some areas. Not only these people can have decent lives, but also the society is benefited from it.
>>59651371
It's not the perfect model
It can't handle population booms and busts so they have to import workers to maintain their quality of life. Unfortunately, the Nordic countries don't have Mexicans to exploit for cheap labor so they have to bring in workers from mudshit countries
>>59653303
>they have to bring in workers from mudshit countries
It's hilarious because according to the geneva convention the refugees aren't allowed to work for like 3 years. So to get the uneducated prospective workers they gotta feed a leech for 3 years.
I believe Germany said it would budget 93 billion euros or so for the leeches until 2020
Brazilposter if you want to copy someone's successes look at went right in the indian state of Kerala.
>>59653303
>workers
Any examples?
>>59653447
>it's hilarious because the geneva convention says that refugees can't work for 3 years
I understand that it keeps them from becoming slave labor, but that's not much of a problem in Western Europe and the Nordic countries
Besides, what other choice do the Nordics have? They'd have to get their population to start fucking again and then they'd have to wait 20 years for it to benefit them
>>59651371
It's very good as long as the country can support it. In Norway we have the best welfare system in the world, but it is very costly. Who knows if it will last. But right now it does, and we are even increasing it these days.
>>59653536
I'm on mobile, give me a second
>>59653615
You're both fucken lost here guys
>>59653633
>It's very good as long as the country can support it.
Everybody, we have a genius right here!
>>59653615
Pic related.
You better get used to the idea of the population having to level itself up because eternal growth it's impossible, so the idea would be to increase productivity per individual.
We have machines and technology for that. Do you know how much productivity increased after the computer was invented? Exponentially.
Can you imagine how nice it would be to use all the money they are using to feed leeches to finance research and boost the technological sector?
>>59653615
>They'd have to get their population to start fucking again
Won't happen. In the developed world people stop having kids the moment economic conditions start to deteriorate, and the government has only themselves to blame. Cutting from public services and demanding more from workers while coddling businesses is the equivalent of declaring that citizens only exist to serve and should forfeit their dreams of ever living a good life and starting a family.
>>59653720
You warm my heart. Will you support a Norway-Germany union with me as Emperor? I promise I will rid our empire of muslims. Let's annex Denmark too, we need clay that connects our countries so it won't look weird on the map. And what about Merkel? She will be fastened onto a rocket and sent to Syria.
>>59653256
>> it has
>fix'd (better late than never)
It works both ways.
>It has
Scandinavia has ...
>It as
Brazil is oft described as an upcoming economy.
It's shit.
It started out as more fortunate families assisting broken veterans locally and by their own volition, evolved into a mandatory government tax in the 80's economic boom, and has been dragging us down ever since the bubble burst 20 years ago.
Giving people free money is never a good idea. We now have an entire generation of welfare niggers who've never worked a day in their lives and never will, because the gubberment gives them their NEETbux, and we can't change it because it's so fucking expensive we can't create jobs for the fuckers, nor can we stop giving them their NEETbux, because then the UN will be on our asses because "m-muh human rights!!"
Socialism does not work.
>>59654368
I think welfare it's a need to avoid having poor people resorting to robbing to survive, and mantaining a certain minimum standard of quality of live, so it has its advantages.
But yeah, you guys went way overboard with the gibsmedats, effectively turning people into leeches.
>>59654557
You want to stop a robber, 12 gauge slug is the way. Not paying the robber.
>>59654664
>Not paying the robber
I said it as a deterrence, the idea is to not give them a reason to rob in the first place.
Of course, if they try they shall be sent to the gulags.
>>59654664
A society built on the normalisation of murder doesn't do well. Just look at central America.
>>59653821
>eternal growth is impossible
I know. It's just in the interests of a psuedo-welfare state like Sweden to maintain a large tax base so that they can maintain the current level of social spending. They can't do that while their population is aging, so they have to try and make up the difference somehow
I'm probably wrong, but I can't think of any other benefit they could be getting from bringing in this many refugees and 3rd worlders relative to the native population and I don't think their government would condemn them to this much unrest just for giggles or because of "muh poor refugees"
As for the pic, Sweden would either have to take on a massive amount of state debt to maintain the current level of spending or they'd have to change their economic model. Either way, I'm not arguing that a large and poor population is any better
>>59654557
> you guys went way overboard with the gibsmedats
This shit right here is the truth. I don't know how the fuck they calculate the benefits, maybe based on a helsinki city bois needs but i had a shitload of extra money as a NEET here in the countryside in my own apartment. On the other hand when i was a student and actually worked for my future i barely survived, even though i shared my apartment with 2 other people. IMO it should be the other way
>>59651371
>Pros
The state gives you free shit (healthcare etc) if you pay taxes. If you are really sick you will still be treated no matter if they are rich or not.
>Cons
The state can expand those benefits to cover anyting if they wish and that sometimes derail and becomes retarded. Like in the case of us.
>>59654664
> You want to stop a robber, 12 gauge slug is the way. Not paying the robber.
I'm with the colombianposter here. You want a system that does not create robbers. For that, you do not want poor and uneducated people.
>>59655085
>I'm not arguing that a large and poor population is any better
It's kinda silly to think how the US must have more poor people than Sweden has people period.
>>59655282
>richest country in human history
>has more people under the poverty line than there are people in Nordic countries
Yeah, it's just a little fucked up.
>>59655085
>I can't think of any other benefit they could be getting from bringing in this many refugees and 3rd worlders relative to the native population
There isn't.
They are there to keep economic growth going, at the cost of life quality. To keep wages artificially low because of higher labor offer.
Money and connections give rich people power over the government. So they use the money of taxpayers to feed the leeches while they keep their own profits safe and growing.
Since when were you under the impression that representative democracy was "democratic" at all?
>>59655576
>Since when were you under the impression that representative democracy was "democratic" at all?
Based colombiaposter.
>>59655576
>since when were you under the impression that representative democracy is democratic
It may not be democratic, but at least I have freedumbs
>>59652521
this is 100 % true.
DUDE
FREE SHIT
LMAO
It seems like a good model tbqh with u senpai
But yeah, of course you need to have a homogeneous society in order it to work
>>59659068
Stop making me feel bad about my country
>>59652060
More like:
Government actually do their jobs
Wealth ensues
Government stops doing their job
Shit literally hits the fan.
It just looks really stupid after a period of very good management.
Government having no spine, party policy & horse trading, and other shit hampers progress as well.
>>59655090
Image the horror:
You could be on WELFARE and study part time.
The number of part time students would explode.
At the same time its really whatever, since universities already have a hard limit on number of heads per class.
>>59651371
I only works with nationalsocialism, but when it works, it's perfect.
>>59654368
This. The work ethics that built this nation have died, we've gotten too entitled (including myself)
>>59652739
>in north america
I heard regular cops in the US are not allowed to use guns
>>59661480
Do you even America
>>59661860
An american told me so. He even showed me a vid of a cop being killed by a crazy old war vet, and he couldnt defend himself because he didnt bear a gun.
>>59654874
We have a lot of criminals, we shoot a lot of people. The state is not to blame on this one. It's like in Africa.
>>59652905
>not for Brasil
Would it be good in America then?
Its good when mixed with tight immigration laws
Dont let anyone else tell you otherwise
>>59651445
>fourth highest HDI
>top 20 wealthiest nations since 1950
>"it's shit hurdururru"
>fuck up all of eastern Europe
>try to take credit for the successes of western liberal democracies in Scandinavia
how do Jewish Marxists get away with this?
>>59653615
You realize Nords are like the only European group with decent fertility?
>>59662273
>top 20 wealthiest nations
I-I tought america was the wealthiest, why are you complaining?
>>59662185
Denmark, Iceland, and Norway got it right.
Finland got fucked by sanctions and is also Mongol.
Sweden went full retard.
>>59662406
Umm no we are not. Maybe top 20 wealthiest per capita.
What amazes me is that America is shit, yet other "developed" nations are worse.
>>59662309
They dont. Liberal marxists do it all the time though. You know, eastern europe was socialist and had planned economy, as opposed to market economy. So what the liberal marxists do is advocate high public expenditure on market economies based on scandinavia. It's different.
these threads make me puke
>>59662619
>They dont.
Fuck off, Bernie Sanders LITERALLY based HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN on it.
>>59662538
All the lack of high public expenditures (and other stuff) made you as rich as you are now (as a country), do you think the US should increase public expenditure and improve the welfare system now?
>>59662749
He didnt "get away with it" though, he is losing by far. But liberal marxism keep gaining more and more ground, well at least in south america. They say it's gonna be different because we're not planned economies, we can afford welfare and shit.
>>59662464
>Norway got it right.
H a h a h a h a h h a
The only thing we got right is to allow Sweden to test waters, and to live on Oil money to cover up any real state deficit.
>>59653447
>according to the geneva convention the refugees aren't allowed to work for like 3 years
Is this for real? Do you have any sources? I didnt know that, wow.
>>59661480
Maybe they're restricted to tasers in some cities, but most cops carry guns
