Why are Europeans so pathetically weak?
because the crusaders was a meme army they got btfo by smelly poles and sandniggers everytime.
>map doesnt include the entire new world
There should be way more crusader battles in europe
post british empire
>>59596917
They were mostly French so it is expected.
>>59597607
you can't really brag about defeating new worlders, their tech wasn't comparable to muslim armies
it's like bragging about beating a kid up
>>59597607
Why would it? There was no such thing as the "new world" during the crusades
What you're leaving out is the Muslim conquests were child's play against the crusades. By sheer casualties the crusades were one of the deadliest wars in human history up to that point. Entire cities in the holy land were slaughtered, entire Sunni, Shia, and Jewish communities vanished. Honestly the holy land still hasn't recovered from the trail of death the crusaders brought. This is why we see Jihadists screaming about justice for the premature destruction of their ancestors' golden age
>>59597922
>islamic golden age
>>59597607
>>59597788
Why were new worlders so weak compared to old worlders?
>>59596821
Where are the norhern crusade ?
>>59596821
Because as you can tell, half of the Muslim conquests took place against other sandniggers and the rest in unimportant places.
>>59596821
why does this bring up only the crusades for christians? there's a shit ton more of their conquests
fucking retards please stop posting that idiotic map
>>59599484
No tech trading. Europe, India China and the Middle East constantly swapped technology. Which meant they had additional input. The Natives in America were still stone age when the Spanish arrived.
>>59599658
t. Allahu al Cuckadani
>>59599730
how the hell did you come to that conclusion from what i posted?
>>59596821
This map needs to die. It triggers my historical autism.
>muslim golden age
>realize that there are stars in the sky
>realize that sun sets and rises
>invent a stick
>hit neighbors with said stick
>repeat until 20th century
>>59599756
inshallah, brother, keep the allah's work
>>59599692
Why couldn't they tech trade among themselves?
>>59599800
Distance was too far and their technology had not yet reached the point were long range communication occured. Aztecs never knew about the Incas for instance.
>>59599484
Perhaps the native americans would've put up more of a fight if the old worlders didn't kill off most of their population due to disease
Think of this, europe during the black plague was in complete chaos, and now imagine a new civilization with better tech declaring war on you
>>59597785
>Brazil
>>59599797
okay mohamed
>>59599822
>technology for long range communication
You mean getting on a horse and riding? I'm pretty sure old worlders didn't have phones yet back then.
>>59599886
They did not have horses. The Spanish brought them with them.
>>59599785
>Invent Algebra
>revolutionize Chemistry and Mathmatics
>breakthroughs in Medicine and Astronomy
>new artforms and musics
I don't like Arabs but you have to give them that
>>59599886
Try riding a horse through thick jungles, its not going to work
>>59599905
>They did not have horses
Interesting. Didn't know that.
>>59598248
>ADD A ZERO TO THE INDIAN NUMERALS AND MAKE SOME RETARDED COMMENTS ON GREEK PHILOSOPHY
>ITS A GOLDEN AGE
>>59599857
Why didn't native american diseases kill the old worlders?
>>59600003
Yup, the natives in the North the American settlers encountered had horses that were descended from ones that had escaped from the Spanish and formed wild groups and migrated north. It is quite interesting.
>>59600063
They did but not many Europeans went back to Europe so it was not a major problem. Syphilis is thought to come from America though.
>>59599886
The New World didn't have horses, also the division between the Aztecs and Incas was caused by jungles, mountains, deserts, and oceans, so good luck just walking there.
>>59596821
>Conquer practically the whole world.
>Embroil it in the bloodiest conflicts in its entire history.
>Do practically nothing but fight for the entirety of recorded history.
>Weak.
>>59596821
yeah, I'm pretty sure that most of the battles in the Iberian Peninsula on that map are made up
>>59600063
I don't know how well you know biology but Viruses have a smaller chance of surviving in Tropical climates, to but it short there were no native diseases in the new world to kill the old worlders off
>>59599822
>Aztecs never knew about the Incas
They might've known, actually. Or at least, know of the existence of peoples in South America. Thing is, the Aztecs were more than the Nahuatl-speaking elite in Tenochtitlan etc. The Meso-american sphere of influence roughly ends at panama, while the Andean sphere reaches to Panama as well. Contact, though sporadic, is inevitable, though you are correct in that it wasn't really that important and nearly negligible.
>>59599886
>Horses
>America
what the fug am I reading
>>59599692
>The Natives in America were still stone age when the Spanish arrived.
this is so fucking untrue though
>>59600189
You realise their "swords" were literally pieces of wood with stones tied to them right?
>>59600206
how did they build their cities on top of the fucking mountains then?
>>59600325
Made their vast slave worker armies drag rocks up it. How do you think they did it? Magical cranes?
>>59600206
Isnt it true that only three books from the Mayan civilization remained because the Spanish destroyed the rest of them? One of those three books was on astronomy, tracking and predicting astronomical events.
I mean, give them a little credit.
>>59600383
I'm not disparaging them. They did well considering they were isolated from the rest of humanity. Just explaining why they were so behind.
>>59600189
Stone age is an exaggeration, the ancient Meso-Americans had some ancient concepts that are reminiscent of the Iron Age in the old world. But they weren't highly advanced societies, they were far from being on par with Europe at that time. Some things we'd consider belonging in the Stone Age in the old world were still prevalent in the new world at the time of the Spanish conquest.
>>59599941
>Arabs = Muslims
>>59600354
>Magical cranes?
yeah, kinda
but more like superiour knowledge of physics and math and other stuff
>>59600443
They had good architectural practices, that is true.
>>59600431
being on par with europe at that time != being in the stone age
>>59597785
>Brazil
>>59600206
the mayans were far more advanced than XIXth century Russian peasants
>>59600354
Incas didn't have slaves, it was a communitary service.
>>59597785
Do you even know the battle of Tours, monkey ?
>>59600549
Nice meme Juan.
>>59600558
That is called indentured servitude. A form of slavery.
>>59596821
It's hard to fight against infidel when Christian were in each other throat. Sunni and Shiite split is small time compared to Lollard, Hussite, Iconoclast and various heresies fuckery. Not to mention Jews, Venetian and Catholic vs Orthodox shit.
>>59600573
So basically like serfdom?
>>59600573
>Nice meme Juan.
Mayans: can read and write
Mayans: astronomy
Mayans: build complex pyramids
Russian peasants: can't read or write
Russian peasants: astronomy?
Russian peasants: pile a few trunks and call it a house
>>59600689
A lot like serfdom, except with the Incas they tended to do it to people they conquered.
>>59600711
All of those things were done by the Mayan elite, same as it was in Europe. Spanish farmers were illiterate as recently as the 1970s.
>>59600437
so it's Muslims when they're bad but just Arabs when theyre good? What kind of mental gymnastics is that?
>>59600736
>All of those things were done by the Mayan elite, same as it was in Europe.
well, then they were not in the stone age, were they?
>>59600808
Yes. Are you implying that in stone age Egypt the elite could not read?
>>59600828
consider stone age is a prehistoric period, yeah it's a safe bet to say the could not read
>>59600828
I'm pretty sure alphabet only popped up during the bronze age.
>>59600206
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlaximaltepoztli
>>59600879
The oldest writing known in the world appears before the bronze age.
>>59600873
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Egypt
>>59600899
If you mean the Tartaria tablets, those are probably not really writing.
>>59600383
I can't even imagine what was in there, I mean, the Maya calendar is more precise than the one we currently use.
>>59600873
I'm pretty sure the Egyptians had a script during their Bronze age, as did the Sumerians.
>>59600972
They had it at the end of the stone age.
See: >>59600938
>>59600962
>the Maya calendar is more precise than the one we currently use
If that were true, we'd have switched by now. Especially in the scientific community.
>>59600828
you basically don't understand what Stone Age means and as a bonus you know nothing about the precolumbines
great job
>>59601053
I do.
>>59600751
no it's muslims when talking about a muslim golden age
>>59601088
so you still claim that a civilization with metallurgy, astronomy, script, numbers, cities, agriculture and pyramids is a stone age civilization?
>>59601145
Yes, all of those things existed in stone age egypt.
>>59601053
Stone age literally means the use of primarily stone tools. Nothing more, nothing less. It has nothing to do with reading/writing (though most civilizations had it by the end of their bronze ages).
>>59601168
Have you ever pondered why is it called the stone age?
>>59601194
Because of stonework.
>>59600938
stone age lasted several billion years and in the last 200 some folks in egypt started using hieroglyph.
Saying that stone age Egyptians knew how to read is just retarded
>>59601213
Nope anon, it's because of tools.
>>59601236
>stone age lasted several billion years
>Italian education
>>59601237
That us what I meant by stonework. You are trying to play wordgames.
>>59601236
>stone age lasted several billion years
Is this what is actually taught in Italy?
>>59596821
there are 6 countries in the entire world that have not been occupied, colonised or conquered by a european nation
>>59601192
>It has nothing to do with reading/writing
it does have something to do: a very strong correlation
that's like saying that the UK has nothing to do with English because the Welsh speak Welsh
>>59601276
Stonework = masonry.
Furthermore if people are using bronze tools and weapons, it's not stone age anymore.
>>59596821
You could rephrase that as: Why don't arabs defend their land?
>>59600751
isn't your cunt exterminating muzzies?
>>59601267
>>59601276
I fucked up millions with billions
>>59600736
>Spanish farmers were illiterate as recently as the 1970s.
Great job, Vladimir
>>59601236
>several billion years
what
it only lasted 3.4 million
>>59601322
It is to do with primary use. If 95% of things is done with stone it is still stone age, moving into the bronze age. It only becomes the bronze age once bronze becomes dominant.
>>59601338
It is true.
>>59601168
>Yes, all of those things existed in stone age egypt.
yeah, no
>>59600711
Unironically but literally aztecs had public schools.
>>59601375
Yes, yes. You should try reading about it.
>>59601399
any recs?
>>59600148
Yeah if anything the Iberian Christians were the ones attacking after the initial conquest.
>>59601294
True, but I think it defeats the purpose of using metal-based terms when trying to qualify societies not based on their use of said metals in their tools.
Then again, classifying Pre-Columbian civilizations with this system is flawed anyways because most of them went from stone straight to iron.
>>59601361
I am sure that even today there is at least one illiterate farmer in Russia
so I will claim
>Russian farmers were illiterate as recently as the 2010s
>>59601427
How people lived in the Stone Age, Ancient Egypt and Ancient Greece by Hurdmann, Steele and Tames
>>59601495
Illiteracy in Russia ended after the Bolsheviks took power. They had a major campaign teaching people to read and write and went around the country doing so. 100% illiteracy was achieved.
>>59601498
>Stone Age, Ancient Egypt and Ancient Greece
even the fucking title implies that Ancien Egypt and Ancient Greece weren't stone age civilizations
great job, man
>>59601537
100% literacy, that should say, kek.
>>59601286
Which are they ?
>>59601563
>I will make an argument based on the title of the book.
This must be the legendary Spanish intellect at play.
>>59601537
>100% illiteracy was achieved
Another glorious commie accomplishment.
>>59601573
Japan for one.
>>59601537
I am sure that in some village in Siberia someone can't read and write
>Russian farmers were illiterate as recently as the 2010s
>>59601620
It was highly enforced so it is not the case.
>>59601606
>I will make an argument based on the title of the book.
>The very title of the book implies that your argument is untrue
>muh spanirds are dum amirite
>>59601672
The title of the book does not imply that at all because stone age Egypt is discussed with in it because guess what, stone age Egypt was part of the stone age.
Why are Muslims so pathetic?
>>59601705
>Stone Age, Ancient Egypt and Ancient Greece
implies that they were separate entities
the title is not
>Stone Age: Ancient Egypt and Ancient Greece
>>59601655
>it is not the case
>I am sure that there is not a single Russian that can't read and write
bold claim
>>59599484
The Amerindians had no domesticated animals other than the llama, domestication is critical for the development of society. But plagues also come from domesticated animals, and people who live around animals will get infected. So not only did they not have the horsepower needed to build society, they also lacked immunities for any diseases meant for animals, but could infect humans as well.
Granted the natives built spectacular city-states and empires on the Mississippi, in Mexico, and in Peru; but these were the exceptions to native existence, not the rule. The vast majority of Amerindians lived a rural existence depending on hunting/gathering and horticulture.
>>59601756
ok, that's actually worse than I thought
I thought it was like 5%
my bad
>>59600431
>But they weren't highly advanced societies
To me it seems that Tenochtitlan's construction would have required a complex society
>>59601026
Although there were only 365 days in the Haab year, the Mayas were aware that a year is slightly longer than 365 days, and in fact, many of the month-names are associated with the seasons; Yaxkin, for example, means "new or strong sun" and, at the beginning of the Long Count, 1 Yaxkin was the day after the winter solstice, when the sun starts to shine for a longer period of time and higher in the sky. When the Long Count was put into motion, it was started at 7.13.0.0.0, and 0 Yaxkin corresponded with Midwinter Day, as it did at 13.0.0.0.0 back in 3114 B.C.E. The available evidence indicates that the Mayas estimated that a 365-day year precessed through all the seasons twice in 7.13.0.0.0 or 1,101,600 days.
We can therefore derive a value for the Mayan estimate of the year by dividing 1,101,600 by 365, subtracting 2, and taking that number and dividing 1,101,600 by the result, which gives us an answer of 365.242036 days, which is slightly more accurate than the 365.2425 days of the Gregorian calendar.
>>59601168
>metallurgy
>stone age
Ivan...
>>59596821
>Ignoring the reconquista
>Ignoring the balkan crusades
>Ignoring the sacking of constantinople
>Ignoring all the noncrusades fighting instigated by the byzantines
This map is so pathetically biased and uninformed i'm possitive an american made it.
>>59603155
Also ignoring the Northern Crusades.
>>59596821
Only gains in Europe lasting more than a few years to a decade was in Iberia and the Balkans and Greece. So a lot of those battles don't really matter. The crusaders had kingdoms in the levant for 200 years and a puppet Byzantine empire for a century of two. As long as Europe wasn't denied access to the spice trade there wasn't a compelling reasons for European monarchs or the Italian city states to drop their feuds. The ottomans cut them off. This helped drive the age of discovery. Once Portugal found a way to the orient around Africaand Spain discovered the need to reconquer the levant was gone. Also Europe was a shit show of infighting and religious strife during this same time period and only a few nations actually cared enough to fight the ottomans.
>>59601573
I was going to mention Ethiopia but those smelly Italians occupied them in WW2. They still managed to avoid colonization.
I think that Persia was never occupied by Europeans.
>>59600383
I think that if the American natives had been more resilient to diesease, the Americas would've ended up like India where colonies were more unequal trade agreements in part achieved by exploiting local differences.
Christianity isnt European though
>>59603461
Didnt northern crusades Got btfo'd by Lithuania alone they had to give their lands for peace?
>>59603538
Persia wasn't completely occupied but it was being cucked by the british for like a century during the great game.
>>59603671
From what I read it was more of a case of the Balts giving them hell and punching above their weight but eventually being defeated by a numerically and technologically superior foe.
You guys are basically the Appaches of Europe.
>>59603755
Where did you read that? Look up the Livonian order and how Grand duchy of Lithuania BTFO'd hard.
>>59603155
>i'm possitive an american made it.
You're right.
