What is the problem in South America?
imho they need role model country like Germany for us in Central Europe
Thats why our economies here are booming, its a big race between V4 and balts who will be first germany tier
right now the best SA country is Argentina and they are very meh, literally poland tier
I am nominating Chile as a new role moel country for SA
> Corrupt politicians
> Leftistfags and rightistfags
> US and URSS influence (Cold War)
nos genocidiaron guey
>I am nominating Chile as a new role moel country for SA
yes yes being a US cuck is sure a role model, I mean if it worked for Central Europe I can't see why shouldn't anyone follow it
>>59319827
USSR*
>>59319741
>imho they need role model country like Germany for us in Central Europe
>implying this is working for europe
if any of us get better, the people from the other shitty countries near it will start going to it illegally to get welfare, argentina had a immigrant problem in 2000s
>be shit country
>is shit
>be good country
>shitty people go to it illegally
>country become shit
>they need role model country like Germany for us in Central Europe
>role model like Germany
>role model, Germany
no thank you, I don't want more shitskins here.
>>59319873
Si bien fue un golpe duro la Guerra de la Triple Alianza/ del Paraguay, creo que, a 146 años ya pasados, es hacer la vista gorda de los verdaderos problemas que le suceden al país guaraní y en general a toda Latino América (>>59319827)
>>59319876
Agree
>>59319876
what is your alternative?
muh independence aka BRICS cucks
just be pro western aka freedom and booming economy
1: consider everything from spain/poortugal is an ultimate waste.
2: race mixing with subhumans
Africa tier, except french Guyana, weird innit
>>59319893
>in 2000s
more like since the dawn of the damn country
>>59319741
everyone can be developed if you have germany pumping money into you 24/7, you have it easy mode
>>59320001
Pero ni se disculparon kpe :(
Aichincharanga nosotros
>>59319876
>not being an US cuck
>2016
???????????
>>59320135
EU funds are like 1 percent of GDP
its actually myth about germany pumping money anywhere
>>59320167
Lo raro es que técnicamente solamente una parte de Arg se metio en la guerra, hubo provincias que se rebelaron contra Bs As porque hace poco habían peleado contra Brasil y no tenian razon para ir contra Paraguay. Igual el ejercito nacional hizo cagar todas las rebeliones creo.
>>59319876
>Chile
>US cuck
Capitalism=/=USA
Chile depends on China economically and Europe culturally
>>59320135
lol no. germany has insane indrusty, it exports a lot and guess who buys the most.... euros are pumping money to germany.
and you thought hitler lost?
>>59319741
depending on copper is not a good role model, slav
>>59320167
Aca tenés el perdón :( Esta todo bien ahora?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU_FFtbCcLc
>>59319741
el chicANO
>Thats why our economies here are booming
Your economy is booming because your entire population literally can't stop sucking dicks. You literally whored yourself out for money.
>>59320256
>>59320377
if you think that having big developed economies surrounding doesn't matter, then you must be insane, btw mexico doesn't count because they are mexicans
>>59320807
thats why I think you should be Germany of South America and pumping money to Brazil and other shitholes
>>59320100
Harsh but somewhat fair
>>59320550
un poquito mejor ;)
>>59319741
Chile is already a region model
http://www.andina.com.pe/agencia/noticia-peru-adopted-positive-sides-of-chilean-model-249948.aspx
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/02/chile-salvador-allende-coup-youth-protest-pinochet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9NO8j18IC8
we are all fine we dont need any role model
>>59320854
>CHILE
>GERMANY OF SOUTH AMERICA
PFFFFFFFFFTTTTTT
>>59321122
>Quadri
He was only a momentary meme from 2012. Literally the most meme out of all candidates back then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SLZ_CFiSyc
>>59321200
Brazil gets so defensive everytime another South American country does well.
>>59321252
>chile
>doing well
m8 chile is a meme
send aid tho
>>59321279
>Brazil
>>59321234
Doesn't matter. Chilean police is training Mexican police because Chilean police is the best in Latin America. It was trained by Prussians when created and militarized by Pinochet later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfdkTKI-gmg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rL2Hvv9eD0
>>59319741
Administrative inefficiency, the government has a hard time imposing itself in distant areas of the country and even in impoverished areas of major cities.
In Brazil's case, there's a lack of investment in public education. Conditions vary from very bad to utter shit. Federal schools and Vocational schools are somewhat better though. This also extends to higher educations and R&D sector.
Lack of investment in infrastructure. This leads to higher costs and a competitive disadvantage compared to developed countries. Bad public services also impact society negatively.
Lack of initiatives to discourage institutional corruption, namely transparency and efficiency.
Populism and cronyism plague LA politics, ideological non-sense divides people and distracts them from things that really matter.
Lazy spanish mentality
>>59321279
>getting defensive
just stop
>>59321252
not defensive, just annoyed of hearing the farse of chile being a developed country. well i guess it doesnt really matter what people think, as long as brasil keep being the richest and most influence country here, you europeans can jerk off to chile
>>59319876
Go to bed, Latuff.
>>59321309
Mate, everybody does that.
http://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/mundo/estados-uunidos-capacita-a-policias-mexicanos.html
>>59321252
"Defensive" is a bad way to put it, I think. It sounds as if we were implying that Brazil is better.
>>59321314
this exactly
>>59319741
You will get a thousand explanations but they're all consequences of one thing: natives and their primitive and violent cultures.
>>59319741
>I am nominating Chile as a new role moel country for SA
Yes, a country based on copper extraction should be the role model for countries that have mainly agricultural exports.
You know nothing.
Somehow I'm not impressed.
>>59321398
such a role model...
A brown reggaeton shithole should never be a role model for anyone.
>>59321398
Does Chile suffer from Dutch disease?
>>59321362
Sorry, I'm used to reading Brazilian nationalists bashing neighbours.
>>59321376
This is true. Can't compare countries with different dynamics.
>>59321309
http://www.animalpolitico.com/2012/04/capacita-colombia-12-mil-policias-mexicanos-en-lucha-antidroga/
>>59321372
spaniards and their primitive and violent cultures*
>>59320854
Chile invests mainly in Peru and Colombia because of their economic freedom
>>59320854
they can't afford it
>>59319741
>>59319741
>>59319741
>What is the problem in South America?
Is the OP ignorant of the world and there are racial differences in populations that cause nations to succeed or fail?
Both Haiti and Japan are island nations, yet one is a shithole and the other is the 3rd largest economy in the world. If you took the entire population of Haiti and transported them to Japan and took the entire population of Japan and transported them to Haiti, do you think if looked at them in 10 years that Japan wouldn't be a shithole and Haiti would be a safe prosperous nation.
South America is shit because it is filled with South Americans who are a mixed mud race combined with a lazy southern european Spaniard culture.
>>59321451
Colombian police is also professional when it comes to drugs.
Why does Mexico need so much external help though?
>>59321290
ask CHile
>>59319741
argentina could have been
>>59321290
You bath in oil, just like Venezuela.
You should use your raw materials wisely.
>>59321525
i'm not saying that nigs and indios in general aren't incompetents, but pls don't respond to this kinda of thread burger. you guys always bring simplistic answers and circle jerk about how other races are inferior and end up bringing down the level of disucssion
>>59321556
Because our police sucks.
Just look at them. Giving explanations and arguing with drunk brats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO8LHd-ShCE
And these are the ones that aren't that bad because they didn't accepted the bribe.
>>59321556
maybe their police force is corrupted i dont know
>>59321560
They already did it. They're bros
>>59321610
t. pardo claro
>>59321398
![logo-alternativo-mspsul0001[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/f0H9KiE.gif "logo-alternativo-mspsul0001[1].gif")
>>59319741
south brazil is best country and has actual pretty white women who are pure and untainted.
argentine girls in miami love black puerto rican and dominican cock
>>59321525
Rude :(
>>59321596
>You bath in oil, just like Venezuela.
>You should use your raw materials wisely.
Said Spain right after the oil crisis, when even the arabs are looking into other options how could they invest their money into better places
I seriously hope you didn't major in Economics.
>>59321638
donde tiro isso paneleiro?
>>59321525
The Incas were a very prosperous and successful race and look at them now. This has more to do with corruptions and lack of connections to the west. Not to mention the country's history of exploitation
>>59321647
Norway is kinda worse... basically all they export is oil.
>>59321429
No.
>t. http://www.cepal.org/es/publicaciones/4423-aprovechar-el-auge-exportador-de-productos-basicos-evitando-la-enfermedad
>>59321398
Even we are more industrialized than them, they just don't have fucking Peronists.
>>59321398
>>59321647
>>59321705
>>59321733
Yeah, your exports are arguably the most industrial of all latin america.
>>59321733
Cheap labor force... literally the China of latin america
>>59319741
p-poland is not so bad though :3
>>59321764
what is fabricas maquiladoras?
>>59321794
It honestly sucks. Part of the reason there are millions of poor people here.
>>59321733
>NAFTA
>>59321764
Most 'cause of US investment.
>>59321764
Yeah, but a significant amount of these exports are from the so-called "maquiladoras" due to cheaper labor prices.
They don't detain technology or know-how over more complex manufacturing processes per se, which arguably is the most important factor.
>>59321835
retoric question btw
>>59321697
Because it's not worse. If you manage those exports with intelligence.
Compare Norway and Venezuela. Both export the same thing. You could have a Norway in South America, yet you got "that".
>>59321794
That's Peru and Bolivia desu. Cheapest labor force out there.
>>59321672
It's the truth tho. The worst thing that could've happened to SA was being colonized by southern europeans (Portuguese, Spaniards and Italians).
We'd be more prosperous if northern europeans woul've come here, but most of them headed north.
>>59321839
Yep.
You can take it if you want.
And we will get the TPP. I can only imagine what that monster is going to do with Peru and Chile.
>>59321855
Is like China. They manufacture a lot but lack advanced technology and are functionally 25 years behind the Anglosphere and Western Europe.
>>59321888
TPP is redundant for Chile. We already had FTA with all the member countries
>>59321867
Spain already claimed LA before Northern Europeans could get there.
>>59321835
>>59321864
>>59321852
>>59321855
I know, that doesn't bother me. They are still exporting them and having some profit in the process. That's how industrialization in south east asia worked.
>>59321794
So what? They are using the only thing they have by the millions... mexicans, poor mexicans to be precise.
>>59321866
Venezuela's issue is mainly corruption and following a failed socialist model.
They're the country with the largest oil reserves on earth and somehow they still manage to fuck it up. They literally only produce oil and don't have a diversified economy, while norway doesn't rely on oil as much, they're also big player in the fishing industry and tourism.
>>59321866
depending in one thing is never good, everytim the price of oil reduce, so will their economy
>>59321866
Yea but depending on commodities is never a good thing... Norway had the luck of exporting a ridiculously big amount of oil for their population and got to managed it well, but their economy will always be the bitch of the volatile oil price...
>>59321867
>We'd be more prosperous if northern europeans woul've come here, but most of them headed north.
Nah, in that case natives would have been exterminated like most north american natives and people from islands in South Asia. North europeans sent formed families and people with studies. Iberia sent soldiers who mixed with the population.
There wouldnt be mestizos. There would only be descendants of those white colonizers. If you are a mestizo, you wouldn't be better, your race woudn't exist at all.
>>59321965
Ceascescu's Romania on repeat.
>>59321977
>Yea but depending on commodities is never a good thing... Norway had the luck of exporting a ridiculously big amount of oil for their population and got to managed it well, but their economy will always be the bitch of the volatile oil price...
So does chile, or any export-oriented economy.
This is our main problem: http://www.americaeconomia.com/economia-mercados/finanzas/cepal-la-desigualdad-es-el-problema-mas-urgente-para-america-latina
>>59322027
Our main problem is that we lack decency.
A lot of people here saying that it's due to lazy culture but at least here in my country everyone breaks their backs working in whatever there is available (m excluding subhuman gangsters here, of course), people graduating from universities are increasing every passing year, economy is shit but at least is increasing a little bit every passing year. The problems that I've seen at least here in my country are:
1.Some of the most corrupt politicians you will ever see in your life. Just to give you an idea recently our ex president was sentenced to prison because he stole 20 millions dollars that were destinated to help people that suffered economic troubles after the earthquake of 2001. Like to weeks after he was sent to prision he suddenly died, but of course his body was never shown, only pictures of his wife and children who obviously weren't sad at all, one was even fucking laughing. And this is just one example.
2.We leave in an extremely racist society where if you're brown then good luck finding a job at a bank or somewhere where you need to show your face, we are so brainwashed by western media that we put white people in a pedestal, and brown, native American people end up just going to USA because here no one give them jobs.
3.Having USA as our neighbor is the worst think that have happened to Centro America, well, since the birth of our countries. Their drug market is what keeps cartels and other criminal organisations alive in this region. And also is worth rememberin that gangs (who are the biggest problem in Centro America right know) didn't originate here but in USA, thanks to USA founding violent right wing death squads.
There is a lot more to say obviously, but I'm too lazy.
>>59321837
>Spain exports more than Brazil
DELET IT NOW!
>>59322002
nah, the reason why miscigenation happenend is because peninsula iberica was already used to it, with large portions of mudslimes, kikes and gypsies.
so much that it happenend in every spanish colony, filipines, mexico, chile, you name it
>>59322079
>Having USA as our neighbor is the worst think that have happened to Centro America, well, since the birth of our countries. Their drug market is what keeps cartels and other criminal organisations alive in this region. And also is worth rememberin that gangs (who are the biggest problem in Centro America right know) didn't originate here but in USA, thanks to USA founding violent right wing death squads.
You were doing ok until you dropped the ball here and started posting copypaste from www.noamchomsky.com
>>59322108
That doesn't refute my point. You may have posted the cause.
The point is that native genes would have been wiped out if Iberians wouldnt have mixed with them.
Northern European families wouldnt have mixed and euro diseases would have killed everyone..
>>59322079
>A lot of people here saying that it's due to lazy culture but at least here in my country everyone breaks their backs working in whatever there is available
It is a known fact that people in poorer countries work harder than rich countries. The average Greek works much more time than the average German, it is just that the germans have way more capital (as in tech, machines, processes etc)
>>59321948
The most successful examples, Japan and the Asian Tigers had pretty protectionist policies over their economies. Massive investments in education, infrastructure and R&D were paramount to their success as developed economies, allowing the transition of low-quality, low-cost consumer goods exporter to a high-quality and high-tech goods exporter.
Cultural issue that supports corruption and people being generally terrible with money.
In Latin America; common saying is that the money will not follow you to the deathbed. Meaning that all of your money should be spent on stupid shit
>>59322172
well genocide is always bad, but in the end, latin america would be probably far better if had mostly european heritage.
>>59322182
>It is a known fact
It actually isn't. They truly believe they work the hardest, and when you point the fact that that isn't true, at most, they will reply meme answers such as "sleeping in work is not working hard" ">productivity, >hard work", etc.
>>59322189
>The most successful examples, Japan and the Asian Tigers had pretty protectionist policies over their economies. Massive investments in education, infrastructure and R&D were paramount to their success as developed economies, allowing the transition of low-quality, low-cost consumer goods exporter to a high-quality and high-tech goods exporter.
Absolutely right, but now the OMC bans the same protectionist policies implemented by those countries. So what is left, is to take baby steps and do some kind of soft export-oriented industrialization policies, like credit incentives for small companies and such.
>>59322260
As a geographical region, yes. But why care about that?
Then, why don't we all suicide and give the entire world to nazi Germany so it can be run better?
>>59319741
>right now the best SA country is Argentina and they are very meh, literally poland tier
everybody know Chile is the best country in LA
we're better than yuropoors
>>59319905
Whats' the worst that could happen? You're complaining about Bolivians of all people
>>59322189
>Japan and the Asian Tigers had pretty protectionist policies over their economies
But this system worked only applied to Japan; during a period of turmoil in SEA. Japanese had mass production at low prices similar to current Chinese infrastructure
>Massive investments
But they have tried this in Brazil and have failed many times. The problem is that Brazil wants to compete with China at manufacturing at a low cost
>>59319741
>What is the problem in South America?
>imho they need role model country like Germany for us in Central Europe
How can you compare us with Europe when it literally received free money from America after WWII. Seriously WTF.
Just take a look at my country. It was the most promising one of the region, that's why it captured a lot of immigration, but it was cucked over and over during the last century in international trade and such, slowly losing it's position, then the military coups that cuked us more and nowadays with socialism, an experiment sponsored by left intellectuals, jews, and think tanks from Europe, it went all to shit to the point there's no way we can fix it.
8th biggest country in the world and literally underpopulated, with almost no armed forces, no planification, decaying infraestructure, fucking niggers everywhere.
And the only guy that at least cared about our country and tried to prevent that (Perón), was fucking coup'd and got his ass bombed and his party filled with commies.
Now it's an eternal struggle between liberals and socialists and we in the middle who are fucked.
But well at least I can say nobody helped us unlike Europe or Japan so it's something.
>>59322263
>It actually isn't. They truly believe they work the hardest, and when you point the fact that that isn't true, at most, they will reply meme answers such as "sleeping in work is not working hard" ">productivity, >hard work", etc.
I was talking about people who actually know some shit. This sort of threads of serious discussion are actually weird on 4chan. But you are right, memes are unfortunately, too powerful.
You are a shitty copper exporting vertical country that is going to be claimed by the sea and disappear.
>>59322320
first because that wouldnt be viable in any way, second because thats not the case anymore. this place was founded based on ours and yours ancestors mistakes. the only thing left for us is to improve and chase a eugenic solution or whatever.
Alguien puede postear algo bueno de paraguay?
Porfa
>>59322182
True, plus my country having almost cero natural resources doesn't help, too.
We have some gold mines that can be used to help our economy, but of course we don't have the money to exploit them and there is some fucking north Americans trying to buy it but in exchange of giving almost cero money to our economy, plus getting rid of a big forest that will affect a lot of our fauna and flora. We are just desntinated to fail desu
>>59322079
>Some of the most corrupt politicians you will ever see in your life.
It's absolutely disgusting how individuals who were supposed to look after the future of an entire nation have such a lack of morality.
>>59322359
>literally received free money from America
Our tax money came to the rescue when the Argie coup happened?
>liberals and socialists
The problem is that the common Argie has never fully experienced the iron curtain
>>59322359
And all surrounded by shitskin indian countries.
Really, our country was meant to become shit since its very fundation.
>>59322384
Mejor yerba mate.
>>59322384
>>59322359
its not from usa interests to have economic superpowers right down their noses.
>>59322380
>>59322386
>but of course we don't have the money to exploit them
See, this is the problem with the majority of Latin Americans. They can't think at all and blame others for everything? You do know that Chile had experience the same thiing with its copper?
>>59319741
>lazyness
>stupidity
>corruption
>terrible weather
>nigs everywhere
>nig culture
>natural disasters
Anything else?
>>59322384
Obrigado pela muamba.
>>59319741
You fool Czechia. Teh Uniteh states keep the South Americas down.
>>59322430
>and nothing of value was lost
>>59322438
>terrible weather
we got all the weathers in the world famalam, its not our fault you live in atacama desert
>>59322430
in a perfect world
>>59322383
>to improve and chase a eugenic solution or whatever.
I agree. Genetic engineering can be an eugenics solution that doesn't require genocide. I'm all for it and for increasing education opportunities. Only that way proress can reach the entire world.
>>59322386
>my country having almost cero natural resources doesn't help, too.
Korea and Israel have 0 natural resources too. The thing with El Salvador is that you need to start investing in things like education and health, but you must first solve things like crime and such. Then start getting maquiladoras and slowly make your way up, like Korea or Taiwan did, or the way Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam are doing.
>>59322384
Paraguay is a qt country
>>59322436
He is actually making a good point, not blaming you because you are bad, but because you exist. Estructuralism motherfucker.
>>59321198
this, enough """"role models""" that then want to stick their fat greasy fingers on one's cunt
latam cant have role models, we have problems different than anywhere else in the world
>>59322479
>drawning portions of amazonia and base sul do brasil
>not even one mapuche/niger regiont attacked
kill yourself
>>59322436
Central America was doomed to fail from the get-go. Those countries never had a chance at establishing a stable, functioning society.
>were not used by the Spanish except as a resource mine
>have little in the way of natural resources
>malaria-infested jungle made them undesirable for European settlement
>>59322430
FINALLY, BOLIVIA HAS SEA!
>>59322408
>Our tax money came to the rescue when the Argie coup happened?
no, but a bit of your tax money came to back opposition of Perón or the military Juntas.
And then URSS money for the guerrillas.
Who is the least corrupt cunt?
Who might lead?
>>59322397
You have no fucking idea. This faggot in pic related was recently exposed in a video where he is shown negotiating with fucking gang memebers in ex change of votes for his party. Can you belive it?? He offered to reduce prision convictions to the leaders of our two major gangs, he offered them to close some of our prisons, he even said to them "you can even elect the guy who will be in charge of our national security". Seriously this guys are psychopaths.
Oh and of course, no prision time for him, he still works as one of our congress men.
>>59322513
>what is salvador
>what is the entire northeast coast
>what is rio de janeiro
>>59322290
Export-oriented industrialization is the logical step considering the failure of import-substitution industrialization implemented by most Latin American countries.
Incubating technology startups and stimulating the establishment of local and foreign high-tech industries seems to be a reasonable strategy.
>>59322355
>But they have tried this in Brazil and have failed many times.
Care to explain?
>The problem is that Brazil wants to compete with China at manufacturing at a low cost
Competing against China and India at their own game with their sprawling sweatshops is obviously not gonna work and not worth the social costs. But we can still improve our productivity to something respectable with investments in infrastructure and more efficient industrial processes.
>>59322397
This.
>>59322561
>least corrupt cunt
Maybe Uruguay or Chile.
>>59322561
>>59322469
This kinda sums up the LatAm foreign policy
>>59322507
We buttfucked Czechies for more than a half century with our foreign policy? Yet, they are still doing better
>>59322515
Malaria issues plagued North America as well
>>59322522
The coup was made to remove all the lefties who had some stupid idea on how to run a nation
>>59322598
none of the 5 coups here removed any left government that's for sure.
>>59322384
Augusto roa bastos
>>59322561
Falkland Islands
>>59322576
>Care to explain?
Overspending corruption in the Brazilian school and how its done nothing
>is obviously not gonna work and not worth the social costs.
Tell that to the several manufacturing monopolies you guys have? Or how you have to drive to Argentina for a cheap car
>>59322598
>This kinda sums up the LatAm foreign policy
It's kinda true in a lot of those countries. You did fuck up with them during the cold war.
>>59322598
>We buttfucked Czechies for more than a half century with our foreign policy? Yet, they are still doing better
>Czechs
>buttfucked by the US
I'm pretty sure the guys doing the butt raping were geographically a little closer to them if you know what I mean
>>59322642
Because even the far right is still heavy left leaning; the problem is a deeper cultural issue
I blame the Vatican for this shit cesspool known as Argentina
>>59322598
i know that blaiming everything in america is idiotic, but why are burgers so relutant in admitting that your government have interest in keeping latin america as shit as possible.
do you think your congress is made of good hearted man that want to see the world evolve?
>>59322659
>You did fuck up with them during the cold war
Or you could have been a Russian colony. Take your pick.
>>59322564
Holy fucking shit, that's horrible. I'm sorry, dude.
We also have rampant corruption, but it mainly involves politicians stealing money for themselves.
>>59322659
>You did fuck up with them during the cold war.
Who didnt we fuck?
Japan had an atomic bomb
South Korea had a full blown war
Europe had several wars
>>59322671
har har
>>59322384
There you go.
>>59322576
>Export-oriented industrialization is the logical step considering the failure of import-substitution industrialization implemented by most Latin American countries.
>Incubating technology startups and stimulating the establishment of local and foreign high-tech industries seems to be a reasonable strategy.
It is the only reasonable strategy, the alternative is to keep trying to become a great power and fail miserably.
>>59322598
>We buttfucked Czechies for more than a half century with our foreign policy? Yet, they are still doing better
I don't see your point. We are talking about the center-periphery relationship, not foreign policy.
>>59322507
>Korea and Israel have 0 natural resources too. The thing with El Salvador is that you need to start investing in things like education and health, but you must first solve things like crime and such.
True, that's the obvious thing to do, but as long as we have corrupt politicians we are not going nowhere. At least right know our actual government is killing a lot of gangsters, so if they keep doing this for a year I think changes will start to be seen.
>>59322684
>admitting that your government
Because the problem is beyond governments but more on ideologies
>do you think your congress
OSS/CIA functions outside of normal interests
>>59321866
on the contrary, venezoo was what norway is, and is what norway could become if yurop keeps toying with populism and inviting garbage people
remidner that venezoo had the 4th highest gdp per capita of the world in 1950 and was called "saudi venezuela" due to oil riches as recent as the 70's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCuG5xPmaAo
>>59322684
LA sucks because of factors going back to Spanish colonization. The region did not develop like the US and Canada did in a way that would lead to a stable, non-corrupt society.
>>59322722
>center-periphery relationship
Its about fixing your own shit and admitting you have spending problems
Latin Americans can not save money
>>59322733
blah blah blah government and not the people
>>59319827
le constantly sabotage my own people but blame other countries meme
>>59322580
You should lead, desu. A united Southern American union. Monster Brasil at your back, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay.. It would be glorious.
>>59322649
>Falkland Islands
Look mate. I'm for honesty and reason. You can't keep people down.
>>59321337
>>59321336
hahahaha nerd
>>59319741
>says a barren shithole belongs to it
>role model
>>59322436
> be salvadorean
> protest american/canadian mining investors
> get stabbed by local mercenary
easy to say when youre a sheltered/spoiled fatyfuk
>>59322693
You have to admit that American interventionism wasn't as much as an improvement.
I wasn't talking about Mexico because you didn't fuck with us during that time.
>>59322701
>Who didnt we fuck?
>american education
Oh, yet another American dindu.
And I'm not even advocating blind hate towards the US. You have in fact been a pretty ok hegemonic power. But, fuck off, pic related wasn't one of those times you were ok.
>>59322792
Why should mexico lead SA when they're not even part of it?. Brazil would be a wiser choice if they finally get their shit together
>>59322792
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ODNxy3YOPU
>>59319741
USA sabotages our countries and economies!
>>59322772
>Its about fixing your own shit and admitting you have spending problems
>Latin Americans can not save money
No one is saying this isn't a problem. You just refuse to admit that the under-development in latin america has several causes, not just "not enough savings"
Cuba is a large part of the problem with LA since it's been a festering tumor on the region for over half a century that's infected it with Marxism. I wish we'd just dropped a nuke on Havana in 1965 and been done with it.
>>59322852
Agreed. Do it Colombia.
>>59322828
>work alongside with foreign investors
>not go full bananas
>compensated in small banana batches
>life is better
Or you can go full Latin American
>chimp out like apes
>>59322833
The image sums up that Latin America is shit in dealing with its own problems?
Did you ignore WW1/WW2? How about the several hundred years of Ottoman shit?
>>59322871
>You just refuse to admit that the under-development in latin america has several causes
Specifically corruption and the fact that the Spanish used their colonies for resource extraction rather than settlement, also they were allowed much less autonomy than the British colonies which left them poorly prepared for self-governance.
>>59319741
>Chile
>Pretends it's a fucking wonderful place to live but for some reason their immigrants keep coming here
>Argentina
>Nyess, give me some debt señor
Furthermore
>they need role model country like Germany
>role model country like Germany
>like Germany
fucking kys
>>59322871
>"not enough savings"
One of the biggest problems is that you have spending issues
>>59321610
I agree with you. Race is such a boring overused answer anyways
what SA countries needs is massive privatization(this will reduce corruption), lower taxes(low flat tax), no more tarrif bs and open their markets for imports
>>59322903
maybe you dont get it nigger, you wont get it until a chinese company forces you to give your oil away to them at gunpoint
i sometimes wonder how usa is a ""developed"" with so many stupid people. its like every american i talk to has something really fucking stupid to say.
>>59322880
This. Cuba is like fucking cancer. This week Panama closed its border with Colombia due to the fact that a lot of cubans are trying to get to the US through central America.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-36252711
>>59322996
SA lacks common sense and will never want to open themselves to cheaper goods
>>59322905
>Specifically corruption
Although this is an issue, it hardly is the only one.
>the Spanish used their colonies for resource extraction rather than settlement
This is true, which makes it even more important to make policies in order to establish an industrial burgouise.
Besides the point, resource extraction nowadays is not what it was in the early XXth century. Just look at Australia and New Zealand. The "primary" sector is high-tech nowadays.
>they were allowed much less autonomy than the British colonies which left them poorly prepared for self-governance.
This tend to correct itself overtime, not really relevant after 200 years of independence.
>>59322929
>One of the biggest problems is that you have spending issues
I agree.
>>59322996
Hey that's Mexico !
It sure has worked wonders.
>>59322880
Leave Cuba alone, we are best friends you fat gringo.
>>59322903
There were no problems until the Americans created them.
Salvador Allende wasn't a problem to Chile, he was a problem to the US.
You guys literally started a coup in Guatemala because the United Fruit Company asked you to.
>>59323055
>Just look at Australia and New Zealand. The "primary" sector is high-tech nowadays.
Uh...
>>59321647
>>59322996
>what SA countries needs is massive privatization(this will reduce corruption), lower taxes(low flat tax), no more tarrif bs and open their markets for imports
Been there, done that. Mixed results at best, complete disaster at worst.
>>59323030
>chinese company forces
Chile did that with its copper industry? You are forcing the chinese at gunpoint with your stupidity
>I have a bunch of gold!
>Lets kill all the foreign investors and blame Europeans for everything
>>59322767
you are so full of shit
you politicians cuck'd the beaners so hard they are swarming your country now isn't it funny?
>>59323073
Crawl back into your crypt, Che.
>>59323085
Rugby.
Fuck off.
The air is better southern hemisphere.
>>59323085
Your point being? That precisely proves my point, Australia is a first world country with no industry, just extracting things from the soil
>the Spanish used their colonies for resource extraction rather than settlement
>>59323043
Cuba as a country is a tumor, but all of the cubans ive met are some of the coolest people. Very smart too
>>59323073
>There were no problems
You want to be Valenzuela/Cuba? You can go fuck yourself with these assumptions and ideological nonsense
>United Fruit Company
The UFC is the US government; the name was a front as an espionage campaign.
>>59322880
no, cuba is admired by latam countries inspite of our complete rejection of their commie ways solely for the fact that they almost nuked usa to oblivion. For this sole reason, cuba is a jewel to latam, and a role model of being against ameriturds, even if communism is cancer. And everyone in latam hoped fidel hadnt been such a fucking faggot, too bad he was, but venezuela and chavez were a worse cancer anyays.
another stupid post form an ameriturd
>>59323046
Don't put every SA country in the same basket. Chile, Colombia and Peru have really market friendly policies.
There are other countries like Venezuela or Argentina that love to hate the US. If someones shows some simpathy towards the US, they automatically judge that person as "vende patria" (anti-patriotic) and that's how the left has brought a lot of misery in those countries. They're brainwashed.
>>59319741
Chile: be only like 2mil people, killed anyone who was against USA, then got infinite money and support once the colonization was over
They had it easy
>>59323149
Venezuela was doing great until recently.
Cuba got fucked by you guys, Fidel wanted Batista out and US friendship initially. Didn't work out.
>>59323073
>Salvador Allende wasn't a problem to Chile
>>59323166
lol wat. When did this happen?
>>59323155
>Chile, Colombia and Peru
All of them are shit and Chile was decent because of vast amount of copper the US government had to remove
>There are other countries like Venezuela or Argentina
>Valenzuela
>Majority of our crude comes from that nation
>Our fuel prices are cheap because of its commie government
SA sucks at Capitalism
>>59323155
You lads are being kept down. You deserve to be united like the states and europe.
Only fair.
Wake up and do it
>>59323073
No my man. That's Chile. And they are years ahead of your country as we speak.
Even mexican shitskins have access to more goods than an argntinian could ever dream of and northern mexicans enjoy a higher purchasing power than Argentina.
I hope Macri help bringring some foreign investements into Argentina so you can finally catch up with Chile
>>59323151
>>59323151
How cute. He found an Argentina proxy to samefag with.
This guy is truly the saddest troll on the board.
>>59323189
>Fidel wanted Batista
And wanted a Fidel run Cuba?
>>59323227
>Even mexican shitskins have access to more goods than an argntinian could ever dream of and northern mexicans enjoy a higher purchasing power than Argentina.
>I hope Macri help bringring some foreign investements into Argentina so you can finally catch up with Chile
You are talking to mexico, but thanks.
>>59323073
>Salvador Allende wasn't a problem to Chile
Are you joking, he was just as bad as Maduro with Food and Market shortages.
>>59323227
>so you can finally catch up with Chile
Catch up with what exactly? They're less developed than us.
>>59323106
> be chile
> nationalize copper
> ameriniggers take notice, install dictator to privatize copper and force chile to sell away their stuff
> new dictator tells usa to fuck off and keeps it a national company after all
> chile develops
> ameriniggers: "we dindu nufin.. excpet whatever good came out of this"
btw my example was about what will happen to USA once youre china's hoe. I expected you to understand what its like to be threatened to give away your resources
>>59323189
Dude, just understand that socialism doesn't work. There's not one succesful socialist country.
And don't come up with Sweden or some shit like that cause they're not socialist in any sense of the word. They created wealth first and then started experimenting with social-democracy, which btw doesn't work either.
>>59323258
>he doesn't know about Underage Anti-US Panamian and his collection of proxies
New much?
>>59323280
its 2016 dude
you still live in 80s
>>59323238
Of course.
>>59323247
It's actually true, electronics are extremely expensive here.
Why don't you guys have Apple and Nintendo ?
>>59323258
Must have bought the memes, sorry then.
>mfw Mexico beat all of you guys on the socialist shit during the cold war and didn't get CIA'd
Must have been cause the government did the commie killing when the gringos noticed.
>>59323305
I know that, socialism is a cancer that has infected all our countries and kept the corrupt in power.
>>59323280
Maybe in your parallel universe. Chile is more developed than Argentina in every measure.
>>59323329
Anyone who thinks Cuba is the Elysian Fields is definitely living in the 80s.
>>59323329
2016 HDR:
Argentina 0.836
Chile 0.832
iokzzinozoinadaxd
>>59323290
>new dictator tells usa to fuck off
You mean the same dictator that was purposely paid by the US government?
> sell away their stuff
Funny thing is that this happened
Where are my thanks you for unfucking the Chilean government? Takes a lot of work when Latin Americans are shit at everything
>>59323329
>you still live in 80s
have you ever visited my country? or SA in general?
>>59323329
Im sorry but we refuse to kill our whole population in another US financiated coup. Like you said, its not the 80's anymore
Free market means shit when the big dudes dont like you.
>>59323375
Don't feed it. Just hide and ignores its posts.
>>59322649
>Overspending corruption in the Brazilian school and how its done nothing
Yes, corruption is obviously one of the factors for the sorry state of our education in general, but it's widespread in governments institutions.
Obviously, we can't just dump money in the system and expect everything to work. We need a institutional reform to regain a sense of discipline and order in schools, and teachers should be decently paid for their positions. Schools are agents of change in impoverished neighborhoods.
>Tell that to the several manufacturing monopolies you guys have? Or how you have to drive to Argentina for a cheap car
We have inherited this from the military government to a lesser degree. You see, Brazil has a decadent manufacturing base. We're are clinging to the little we have left, so we instate protectionist policies, issue tax breaks and subsidize some of these industries to keep them here along with hundreds of thousands of jobs.
Car manufactures obviously exploit this situation to make insane amounts of conflicts selling shitboxes which have (until recently) the inefficiency of a '70s small-block v8 coupled with the displacement of European engines at exorbitant prices.
People keep buying these shitwagons instead of a used/Grey market car because a new car is a status symbol, similar in a certain way to Americans, their nice suburb house and mortgages, many people contract insane amounts of debt for it. This generates demand and allows for such abusive pricing.
>>59323237
everytime a country tells usa to fuck off, angels in heaven sing a song to god in celebration. and that was a good day. this bothers the ameriturd, whose vileness isn't a hindrance for him, but the fact that he is being exposed, for he loves to pretend being good
>>59323290
We did sell some copper mines but to the canadians and brits
>>59323384
no but every data shows that rignt now chile is better than argentina
you have pride tho
>>59323329
What's your interest here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezTGEOvBorY
I have no reason to be here.
my art teacher from high school said she was from chile and she said that in chile, bus passengers get shot by other bus passengers
is this true
>>59323328
lmao, you think im behind every anti usa post? surprise surprise, everyone in latam hates your country. people just dont realize american people are as shitty as their own country, some eventually do, behold
>>59323423
Poor guy you, you LITERALLY believe free market actually exists. Chile got their whole population killed or scares for their lives in order to be pro USA. thats why the first world bought their goods
The world actively refuses to buy our meat when the govmt ist a semi US colony
>>59323405
>protectionist policies
Even with what little you have left the benefit of cheap commodities can make more money
We got fucked because ever since we became independent from spain it was war after war for power.
This made it easy for everyone else to take advantage of us and keep us down like the gullible and exploitable goyim we are.
We don't have industry, we don't have energy, we have money but don't spend it wisely, we don't do any science. We are the little maggot picking up the leftovers from everyone else because we never managed to do a single thing by ourselves aside from producing drugs and coffee.
>>59323384
I've been there and it's insane the amount of old cars on the streets and people using outdated phones. It's not even funny.
You start noticing a trend as soon as you cross the Andes into Chile, where everything is modern and thriving.
>>59323490
>when the govmt ist a semi US colony
When your cattle industry is scarier than ours? The problem is that Argentinean meat packers can not be sued and practices with vaccinations are more than liberal
>>59323499
Welp.
>>59323508
We cant afford to buy shit when the world doesnt buy the few cheap commodities we produce out of spite
>>59323477
That happens here too. At leat here in guayaquil where i live. But it has become much less common than before. And instead of shooting its more of stabbing
>>59323499
Lets reunite gran colombia and become great
>>59323499
You have bunda.
>>59323423
>muh data
here's your data, it's easier to start and mantain a bussiness in Chile and stuff like that. Tech is cheaper, but it's really a boring country to live in, with no culture and no bravery (we were the ones that liberated them from the spanish). The tragedy of Argentina is that with all it's potential and le european culture it stagnated in recent years, that's why Chile surpassed us in some areas.
>>59323493
Yes. This is pathetic. There really wasn't serious investment in productivity since Brazilian markets were opened to foreign companies in the early '90s, massive taxes and a complex tax code doesn't help either. The primary sector in comparison is prosperous thanks to high commodity prices and international demand, but it's inherently an extremely volatile market.
>>59323477
>being shot in a bus
Very very rare. Stabbed would be more probable but it's unlikely too. When things like this happen they usually end up on the top news (if somebody is kill).
>>59323499
I grew up in the northern Ireland meme.
We didn't have things as tough as you.
Crazy shit is normal growing up. You don't realise its not how things should be.
>>59323499
Stop it with this self-hate dude. We have a lot of natural resources to generate wealth, the issue here is corruption and the internal conflict we've had for the past 50 years.
I love living here, but it'd be even better if we somehow managed to end that conflict and reduce corruption while growing our economy. ,
>>59323477
I don't think so... Chile has a pretty low homicide rate or at least lower than murica and pretty much all latin america....
>>59323581
>let's take this bunch of little clusterfucks and put them together to create one big clusterfuck!
>>59323688
>internal conflict we've had for the past 50 years.
Try 200.
>if we somehow managed to end that conflict and reduce corruption while growing our economy
No shit, Sherlock
>>59323746
im all for it
Historically our economies were sustained mostly on exploitation of natural resources and agriculture. Upper classes had dozens of Native Americans and Blacks to boss over, and commodities were enough to make a living before the green revolution, so there was never much of a push towards industrialization.
The farmhands and miners were the majority of the population and largely illiterate and thus couldn't vote, our countries were technically democracies but due to the social divide and economic model operated like feudal states, leading to some really high economic divide.
Modern medicine and industrial farming allowed the rural workers to explode in numbers that couldn't have been possible before, and caused them to move from the countryside to the shitty areas of cities which quickly (a decade or less) turned into giant slums.
Commodities also began freefalling in prices, and the competitive advantage that Latin America once had (hands that would literally work for food) was made void by trucks and modern technology. Subsidies to the Agriculture in the United States sealed the deal, and Latin American economies lost the last bit of competitive for the only thing they had been doing for 400 years.
Government couldn't provide security to the people in the Slums so gangs quickly sprung up. In areas where Coca grew, farmers began planting it since it was a quick way to make cash. People in the Slums began to learn to read and write, and became eligible for voting. And they were pretty unhappy with the economic divide, so Communists sprung up.
Americans couldn't let Soviet-friendly states in their continent, so they quickly started supporting any retard that seemed capable of beating the commies, leading to civil wars and dictatorships. Most of the dictators were largely inept, so a lot of people still believe in the communist dream.
