>this confuses and enrages the European
this kills the burger
no it doesn't
i disagree with allowing people to have assault rifles and other weaponry that goes above the excuse of self defence, but i'm a supporter of small firearms for self defence if the person has been thoroughly vetoed.
>>59255681
I dont get it. I already have several guns and the military lets me shoot with superior automatic rifles for free without signing a 10 year contract
>>59256300
>tfw Polan is nogunz
>tfw Finlan is gunz
I wish muh cunt would be more like Finlan
why muh cunt is not more like Finlan
this is bullshit
>>59256123
why wouldn't you want those who love your country strapped to the teeth and ready to defend it?
cunts used to fear the anglo
>>59256646
Guns are useless desu, especially the plastic shit americans have
>>59256031
A stick shift?
Lots of people drive stick dude. Or motorcycles and atv's or whatever.
>>59256123
>vetoed
I respectfully disagree. I believe self defense is a human right, and limiting what a person may use to protect their life and loved ones is a violation of that.
>>59256300
I'm jealous. But then, you have to live in Finland. I love the cold, but it's nice to have a hot summer.
>>59256659
because there's always going to be one bad apple in the bunch who goes nuts and kills everyone
source: america
>>59256854
Those cunts exist everywhere, and our per capita murder rates are similar. Without getting into an argument about how the US and UK define "violent crime", I would think with the number of assaults and violent robberies in your country you might benefit from more liberal self defense laws.
>live in finland
>no one has guns (except redneck hunters)
>no shootings ever
>no one robs you with a gun
>live safely
>>59256853
>stick shift
>motorcycles and atv's
>>59255681
What about spiritual and mental defence?
>>59256123
Would you change your tune if you found out that people are killed by pistols 25x more than rifles?
>>59257407
Manual transmission. It's a hand clutch and a pedal instead of clutch pedal and stick, but still the same concept.
>>59255681
>assault rifle
>property defense
>assault
>defense
>literally what
>>59256031
I have one turd snack. Never owned an automatic desu.
>>59257569
It's m4a1, it's so bad you will use it as a club.
>>59256854
Let's be real here
The number of people in actual rampages is insignificant
We're talking like 100 people a year
>>59257520
Lol and "assault rifles" a fraction of that still.
>>59257256
So
>>59256300
Is a redneck?
>>59257520
Some people fail to understand that assault rifle isn't that good until you have a ground. Shotguns and pistols are far better for a simple civilian, and more deadly.
>>59255681
>Personal Defense
I'd recommend a P90 and Five-SeVen personally
>Property Defense
Add a pre-emplaced 12.7mm MG (that's .50 cal for you I believe), a good sniper antimateriel rifle like the Hecate II, and a combat shotgun.
>Homeland Defense
Add shoulder SAMs and light antitank weapons. Crate of grenades too.
At least use the right tools.
>chance of getting killed is 10x lower in the Netherlands than the USA
>mfw
glad I don't live in a third world country
>>59256300
what country's military has 10 year contracts?
the US is trying to shed people quickly, most people I know would love contracts of that length
>>59257869
Yeah
>>59258066
>Meme-90
Just no
Hecate II is sexy though
>>59257256
All of scandinavia is in the process of being culutrally enriched, this will change soon.
>>59257874
Personal Defense Weapons are the best for, well, Personal Defense.
Pic related.
>>59258300
I have a PS90, it's pretty fun for target practice
my area is safe though so no need for self defense :(
>>59258324
I prefer SCAR PDW, but you're absolutely right, my ribbiting friend.
>>59258300
Didn't know it was a meme, and I tried it before
4chan even existed.
Just try it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZER8xHWYEng
>Yuros will never shoot targets with their grandpa in their backyard
Sad!
>>59258324
P90 NOOB GET OUT
>>59258066
>a good sniper antimateriel rifle like the Hecate II
50bmg rifles are stupid fun
also anything within 2km or so is proper fucked if you know what you're doing
>>59258324
5.7 is a meme cartridge, for personal defense range why not a pistol cartridge?
or if you want something more, a short-barrel rifle
>>59258832
5.7 is also a pistol cartridge. Having a Five-Seven allows you to use the same ammo.
And one of the reason for its greatness is, it pierces light body armor yet typically shatters against a wall, you won't hit innocent bystanders in urban settings.
Also, 50-capacity magazines but still very small.
I'm "sorry" to learn it's popular on 4chan, but in this case it's warranted. And again, my opinion is from around 2000 AD, so 4chan didn't even exist.
>>59256031
This meme is because everyone in cities drives automatic.
And if you don't drive automatic in an American city you deserve to be slapped.
>>59259379
As an animu fan, I can add that Gunslinger Girl didn't exist in 2000 either,to further the point of my countryman here.
Also Fabrique Nationale is Belgian not French so he's not rooting for our country either.
>>59259379
>5.7
Ugh, snowflake rounds. And only the AP is any good against soft armor, the ball and JHP rounds aren't notably superior. I'd rather something common. People, especially on /k/, make such a business over this or that round. But 9mm or 5.56 ball still kills shit.
>>59259886
7.62 are the best, seriously.
Second only to 5.52 if you wan't to kill everyone on the corner.
>>59260423
Ballistics on 7.62x39 go to total shit around 300m. I'd rather something going straight and fast.
Those 7.62x25 tok rounds are awesome though, real zippers.
>>59260596
>Ballistics on 7.62x39 go to total shit around 300m.
Well, I did wonders with them at the army.
>>59255681
>>this confuses and enrages the European
Makes me jealous more like, untill i move anyway
>>59259886
>But 9mm or 5.56 ball still kills shit.
9mm may kill people you didn't intend too. Like behind a wall.
If you insist on 5.56, there's our own FAMAS which is really short, and has a SMG-like barrel which is even smaller so you can carry it around. I used it during military service, but I still think the P90 is much better for civilian use.
Assault rifles are really much more suited to combat.
>muh personal defence
>muh freedoms
>muh militaristic cunt-reee
The rules of the internet say that the worst a peoples are on the interent the better they are irl, and the reverse.
According to my calculations this means all americans IRL are saints.
The autism in this thread.
>>59260738
It's not bad, just not optimal. I've been working in Iraq as a civilian for the past two years, and we carry VZ58's of all things. The round works, but after carrying guns for eleven years I know what I'd prefer.
Im glad people dont walk around with guns t b h
>>59261162
Well, I like them because when they hit, they kill.
Combined with a decent weapon and good hand it brings all hell.
>>59261005
It comes down to opinion I suppose. I'd love a p90 because it'd be cool, but 9mm works fine for me. My first concern is mitigating a threat.
>>59260596
>around 300m
Errr, we were discussing personal defense, not WW3. I did recommend a 12.7mm MG, Hecate II and combat shotgun (you know, the automatic ones) to defend your house and garden.
Goons assaulting you in the streets won't charge from a kilometer away. But, most likely there will be unrelated people around, and you don't want to hit them. Hence the 5.7 pistol and PDW.
>>59261054
>you dont need guns the government will keep you safe
t. Lithuanian moments before being sent to the gulag for displaying non-Communist opinions, 1959
>>59261241
Maybe your experience is different. I've seen a lot more people killed by 5.56, but that's also a testament to superior training and tactics. Regardless, getting shot sucks no matter what. I'd just as soon have a more stable and faster round.
>>59261502
Well, 5.56 are more "civilized". It leaves a clean wound. 7.62 on the other hand, turns the flesh apart.
>>59261499
Yeah, the KGB totally would have hesitated before nabbing a guy, if he had a rifle. Or ten.
They just have to wait until you fall asleep, you know.
>>59261767
t. Frenchman moments before being gunned down by Islamic State terrorists
>>59261620
Not in my experience. They are both devastating.
>>59261950
Misquote in a textbook with a political agenda.
>>59261499
gulag no longer exists because it's the current year
get with the times burger
or get shot by a negro
I don't care
>>59262100
Now you just have an extremely corrupt police force
>>59262357
ah at least you lads can relate
>>59262357
my police force takes bribes from speeding 20 somethings
your police kill your dog, breaks your propriety, beats the snot out of you and gets a vacation out of it, coz of unions
>>59262125
those figures include nigger rates
>>59256031
I only drive automatic because traffic is a bitch in my city
>>59262519
well okay ill give you that one, obama loves his fed thugs
>>59262767
we both know the real crimes don't involve guns but pencils and our criminals outdo yours in robbing the people
guns are useless against those, which is why I don't care for them much
>>59259379
>saw a FN FiveSeveN in a gun store the other day
>3 fucking million pesos (€3850)
Even H&K pistols are half the price, glocks are quarter the price what the fuck.
>tfw lightning kills more people than gun crime in the US but the liberals don't feel like doing anything about it
>>59264182
This is completely false.
What's your favorite personal defense weapon.
>>59262538
So do ours
only enraging thing is being denied the right to self-defense by our government
>>59257569
Anon the one in the middle is a shotgun. You can tell by the length compared to height, tube below the barrel, absence of a magazine, and outline of the pump.
Admittedly it's an ugly tacticool mess of a shotgun, but even so.
>Tfw Steyr TMP civilian version is finally coming to US market.
We are literally anime.
>>59259379
>I'm "sorry" to learn it's popular on 4chan
It's not really a 4chan thing. Blame Battlestar Galactica and the fact that the BBC's firearm prop department consists entirely of P90s, handguns, and WWI relics.
>>59266927
I wonder how many Europoors actually own the gun their native cunt produces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHhvbQZfjD4
>>59261950
there have been many attempts to re-interpret the 2nd
but very few attempts to confiscate personal weapons
still fewer successful
i wonder why rthat is?
could it be that the original intent, to deny our government a monopoly of force, is proven valid by example?
>>59262125
Your gun homicide rates increased after you banned handguns.
>>59267064
I own an H&K USP in 9mm. Awfully pricey, H&K really seems to hate civilian customers.
>>59267766
Truely.
>>59256697
Guns are fun, and also good for a final line of personal defense against animals, 4 legged or two.
>>59262617
This
>>59257407
Motorcycles don't have automatic transmission. you silly goose.
>>59258321
White people don't even do that shit anymore. They are fat and play COD all day.
>>59258641
They won't get shot in their back yard with their grampa either.
>>59257189
>and our per capita murder rates are similar.
MAXIMUM KEK
To find murder rates comparable to yours you'd only be finding other third-world countries.
I wish I was exaggerating, it's fucking sad..
>>59261620
But the 5.56 is designed to do exactly that.
>>59261950
>right to a well regulated militia and gun-ownership
>>59261620
>It leaves a clean wound
They both kill you, and no, it doesn't leave a clean wound.
>>59256031
I've only ever driven an automatic someone explain the manual meme to me. What advantage does it have over automatic?
>>59271291
Aprilla makes bikes with automatics, so they really do exist. The real question is... Why? Must something be done simply because it can?
>>59271708
Precisely. And a good little former commie bloc anon like him should remember that the 5.45 was developed after the US started using 5.56 for precisely the same reasons.
>>59271950
Case in point
>>59272699
You have to do the shifting yourself. It's apparently meme-worthy because people such as yourself exist.
>>59272960
I understand what a manual transmission IS, what I don't understand is how having to shift yourself is an advantage? Is it some bullshit "ur not a REAL man unless you drive a manual" meme?
Does it provide a tangible advantage over an automatic
>>59273023
It's tons of fun to shift gears yourself and feel your car respond.
>>59256031
My tractor has 8+reverse gears and a super fucked up trany so if you don't shift exactly right you get caught between gears, pretty sure I can drive your shitty car.
The question is why? We need be able control the tractor exactly depending on what implement we are using , but a manual will do everything you need in your car.
>>59273023
Driving automatic gives you less control over the engine. Generally speaking; manuals are less complicated, more reliable, more fuel efficient, and brake easier/better than automatics. Reason being that the auto is constantly applying torque when in gear, and more mechanically complicated (read: additional points of failure). A skilled driver is typically going to get more control and performance out of a vehicle with a manual than the same vehicle with an automatic.
But for most of us, it's like >>59273071
Said. They're just fun to drive; it's more that you have to do as the driver, but it's fun and makes you feel really in control of/attuned to your vehicle.
>>59273023
It provides greater control over the vehicle which is useful in off-road or rural driving. The greater control is also appreciated by motoring enthusiasts.
Automatic is much more pleasant to drive in an urban setting. In the past they were less fuel-efficient however a modern automatic usually ends up cheaper due to not having an expensive clutch to replace.
Modern manual vehicles are in no way difficult to drive, older or more complex transmissions (e.g on a large truck) do require a basic degree of skill to operate efficiently. Most people don't give it a second thought, however unfortunately it is one of those things that otherwise pointless manchildren use to make themselves feel better than others. Much in the same vein as those who go on about their super-hopped IPA, ultra-strong black coffee, Linux operating system, etc.
>>59267064
I own a Sako
>>59273444
They let you own that in Finland? Is it automatic?
No you fucking retard, what enrages me is your shitty gun culture.
>>59257520
And most of the pistols that kill people are fired sideways
>>59261005
Actually, FAMAS has a fairly long barrel, it just appears short because the action is behind the trigger.
Famas barrel length: 488mm
M4 barrel length: 370mm
>>59271320
White people don't get together with friends to watch a baseball game?
Or have picnics?
Or drink a beer while doing yard work?
What the hell are you guys doing up there?
>>59271950
REKT!!!!
>>59273468
Semi-automatic (as you can see by the lack of a middle notch). Fully automatic ones are legal, but really hard to get and find. Basically only collectors get those, and becoming a collector takes years of firearm ownership.
>>59257569
Man anti-gunners are cringe.
>>59257569
No rifle that is semi-auto is an assault rifle.
>>59274539
Semi-auto only, you mean. Being able to shoot in semi-automatic mode is actually a requirement for it to be classified as an assault rifle.
>Second amendment is so that the people are in power, not the government
>government routinely fucks the people around all the time anyway
good work guys, I'm sure society would rise together and overthrow government at whichever point it became "corrupt"
>>59274718
Think of it like this: Americans are fucked over, but at least they have guns for personal protection. You bongs are being fucked over even harder, and you have no guns.
So Americans are much better off.
What's your favorite firearm
>>59275273
That I own? My SKS
That I don't/can't own? VEPR
I like muh carbines
>>59274823
This.
And nobody revolts because things get corrupt. It happens when life becomes a disaster for the average person, which hasn't happened here yet but could.
>>59274823
This.
>>59274718
At least I can buy butter knives without showing ID, Mohammed.
>>59256646
I'm surprised y'all aren't really into guns considering how conservative your country is and how often it has been invaded. One would think those would result in a defensive mentality like with the Swiss.
>>59275525
Communism m8
>>59261005
for home defense most people with 9mm will use hollow points which are less likely to over penetrate.
