Is it just my impression, or is America turning more PC than Eurofag countries?
It's just your impression
Just your impression, I can still deny the holocaust and not worry about being arrested.
We always have been. The difference is that we have just as many people following the PC movement as we have people against it.
>>59216483
I think our left is going further left, in terms of "social sciences"; however, our right is going further right in many ways.
they're culturally and socially more pc
europe is just gay
Is PC an actual concern for a lot of people? All the people I ask about it on the internet reply with charts about black people's skull sizes and shit.
>>59216606
Behaviour policing is a caliphate tier concern.
>>59216606
PC is good but when it gets fucking crazy thats where it is not good
>>59216606
>for a lot of people
No
Not yet but they are getting there.
>>59216677
>PC is good
That's where you're wrong
>>59216606
No. People mostly joke about it here.
>>59216483
We're so classcucked that socialism doesn't exist here, so identity politics are the only real direction for leftism to go.
>>59216606
PC is looked down upon universally. The only people who seem to care are SJWs and anti-SJWs.
>>59216606
Not really. It's only an issue in very small circles (academia, counterculture activism), but it's been an issue in these circles since the 70s.
It's actually been toning down for a while, I think it peaked about a year ago. The fact that Trump is the front running candidate for a major political party and he has a genuine shot at becoming the leader of the country proves that we are not completely cucked yet. The U.S.A. is less censored in terms of what it can make fun of or criticize. For example, ultra left wing programs like Saturday Night Live have shit on Hillary Clinton as much as they have shit on Donald Trump. I don't think any European country would have that kind of parity, especially when a show like SNL is enemy territory for most conservatives.
>>59216768
socialism doesnt exist in many countries
>>59216662
It's not policing to tell somebody that you disagree with their language
>>59216867
At least it's on the table in most of the world
>>59216706
Why is it not, it makes people less crazy and minorities get less mad at things like this movie
>American Voltron
>ZERO white people
Oh... say... can.. you... REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>59216895
I dont know what world youre on but its not this one
>>59216908
they rioted because of this movie PC to an extent is good.
>>59216915
Wasn't Labor pretty anticapitalist until Thatcher cucked Britain?
>>59216908
If you are such a manchild that you can't take a joke you don't deserve to be catered to
>>59216483
Just your impression. No European country will EVER have someone as controversial like Trump running for president/PM. Only PC beta-cucks.
>>59216483
Trump would never be so popular if this was the case. It's just a vocal minority with access to Hollywood movie studios and other forms of media. Average Americans can't choke it down anymore and have just tuned out.
>>59216954
Labour is more capitalist than the conservatives these days
>>59216483
We're becoming like Europe, trying to outdo them in progressiveness. Bernie is just the first of many steps
>>59216973
? there are many manchildren in this world of all creeds? Why would you want to deliberately anger Asians for no reason other than PC IS LE BAD manchild?
>>59216558
civil war 2 when?
>>59217197
I don't care about your feelings.
>>59217011
>It's just a vocal minority with access to Hollywood movie studios and other forms of media.
It looks like you're being defensive about this, my companion. Some denial there.
>>59217011
In other words...
>>59216861
>For example, ultra left wing programs like Saturday Night Live have shit on Hillary Clinton as much as they have shit on Donald Trump.
Hillary Clinton is by no means left wing.
The fact that a guy like Donald Trump, who has said "We should kill the families of terrorists" and "We should close our borders to Muslims" is getting a lot of votes while Yuros are debating the most PC way to import Muslims leaves the answer pretty obvious.
>>59216483
You know, I'm glad it's happening honestly. The worse it gets, the closer to total societal collapse we get. Things will eventually reset, r-right guys?
>>59216677
I'm genuinely curious, why do you believe this? What do you mean exactly when you say you like political correctness?
>>59216606
you're the country in which people didn't speak up about the muslim pedophile ring in that one city because they didn't want to get into trouble from the leftists.
>>59217231
You can come to the US and see for yourself.
>>59216861
Anything left wing in America is centrist in most other countries. America's right is so far to the right the left seems far to the left in comparison.
>>59217299
She is left wing, but being a southern democrat she is slightly more conservative. She certainly looks conservative next to someone like Bernie Sanders.
>>59216606
Entire generations of kids receiving their university "education" are being indoctrinated into a cult-like mentality of authoritarianism and identity politics with the express goal of pushing them toward a Marxist worldview. I don't know about you, but I've seen enough Marxist political movements around the world to know that I don't want anything of the sort to take root here.
>>59217226
its about riots you dumb fuck other dumb people get mad TRIGGERED and then kill innocents. why the fuck would you TRIGGER them more then they already are. Drumpf is a nigger triggerring niggers because that is what america has always been a bunch of savage baboons yelling at each other.
>>59217313
I don't really LIKE it, it is a way of getting dumbfucks to behave to some extent it is.
>>59217600
>yelling at each other is more savage than rioting and murdering because someone made a joke about me
>>59216908
>>59217197
>>59217600
Retards like you is the reason why most of the world don't have freedom of speech. You're NOT supposed to censor people for expressing unpopular opinions. Some petty words are not justification for beheading someone or rioting in the streets. Freedom of speech is intended to protect UNPOPULAR speech. PC is the antithesis of just that, it tries to coddle people and cater to them like they were subhumans who can't control their own emotions.
>>59217381
>Anything left wing in America is centrist in most other countries. America's right is so far to the right the left seems far to the left in comparison.
This is just a meme. Right wing is pretty much the same across most countries, just America has less socialist policies and legislation in place. If our conservatives could, they'd privatize healthcare and drop social security, but they can't, because it's already in place. Since we have a slightly more democratic country, they have to compromise with the rest of the house of commons when introducing bills and as such (during minority governments) it comes out either 1) moderate, or 2) mediocre.
>>59217761
>don't
doesn't*
>>59217761
I will not take you seriously, you are in puerto rico
>>59217654
I think you are getting morality and good societal values confused with forced silence for the wrong ideas. Disagreement is good within a society, so long as it leads to thought provoking debate. Political correctness eliminates this, as we see on American college campuses where people with the wrong opinions are not allowed to speak. The ideal society is one that listens to all ideas, but also has the ability to differentiate the good from the bad.
Why is there so much transgender shit in the US? Why do you faggots allow that to happen? What's more, I've never met an American who doesn't ardently support "lgbt".
>>59218181
because people are who they are you fucking bully
>>59218181
Because our culture has been getting raped for the past six decades.
>>59216908
Mickey Rooney was the best part of that overrated movie.
>>59216869
Except it is.
It isn't a Voltaire-like "“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
The whole purpose of PC is to prohibit certain things from being said.
>>59218311
>nobody can criticise me for the things I say
>>59218227
>people are who they are
No, they are what propaganda is currently telling them to be, i.e. be a "special wittle snowflake" who is gender-fluid. Piss off you trisexual dearkin fuck.
>>59217381
outside ultracucked countries (sweden, england, germany, france) this is pretty much a meme
if sanders was irish he'd be with sinn féin
if clinton was irish she'd be with labour
if trump was irish he'd probably do what he did with the republicans to fianna fáil or fine gael and piss off all the cucks in the party and get hella votes
>>59218340
Read again, Britfag.
Criticism is fine. Curbing free speech is not.
>>59218181
Because there's 300 million people here and medical tech is advanced
>>59218181
i live in a socialist shithole in america and regularly use "gay" to describe shit i dont like. it makes some people butthurt but most dont care. and ive never met a single tranny (although theres some around im sure) and only one fag
if you went to the most socialist part of england youd find loads of fags too
>>59218343
now hold up shithead
i want third gender shithead to hang themselves just as much as you
but you were talking about transsexuality, not memesexuality
is this bait or are you too retarded to see the difference?
>>59218181
And also leftists travel to Europe more often than republicans. Most people are apathetic about queers unless they get extremely faggy
>>59216483
America may have more ravenous SJWs, but it's countered by having a stronger conservative faction. People with guns literally defend draw Mohammed competitions here. Euros try to hold a contest and get arrested
>>59218412
transexuality is memesexuality m8
its the result of extreme insecurity/mental issues making people want to physically castrate themselves in some vague hope of finding your "true gender"
and they still end up killing themselves
>>59218410
Oh, I'm sure of it, there's tonnes of gay people in London/the South. I'm talking about the straight people who are "fighting" for "lgbt rights" who seem to be very vocal and aggressive in the US, which isn't anywhere near as evident here apart from a few libtards you find in universities.
>>59218412
It's all a crock of lies whatever way you look at it. It's just people striving to have a false sense of individuality.
>>59218470
its the exact same as in london nige. only upper middle class college kids care. the rest may support gays but dont actually have anything to do with them.
>>59218412
Stormfag who wants to bang a trap detected
>>59218542
I went to a university in London with hundreds of leftist faggots from upper class backgrounds, and I only ever met one—what I would class—SJW, and she was mainly a militant vegan type.
>>59218454
I'm sure you could find historical precedents for transsexuality. Just because it's been co-opted by leftie weirdos doesn't necessarily mean it's inauthentic.
>>59216504
but if you tweet about shooting your school/uni, you will big boy.
>>59218387
>>59218311
my wigga
>>59218470
>I'm talking about the straight people who are "fighting" for "lgbt rights" who seem to be very vocal and aggressive in the US, which isn't anywhere near as evident here apart from a few libtards you find in universities.
Hey guy, this is how it is virtually everywhere. No one cares about identity politics apart from a small, insular, and sometimes vocal niche in universities.
>>59218577
well ive never gone to uni. all i can say is that only a tiny minority of people, mostly in academic circles, support the far left shit being spewed today in both america and england
>>59218578
decadent roman emperors cutting off little boys cocks isnt really historical precedent.
modern transexuality is really quite unique, even compared to the romans thirst for boipucci
>>59218670
this basically
even in sweden this is true. its just SJWs are a vocal minority
>>59218422
>Most people are apathetic about queers unless they get extremely faggy
This is really the crux of the issue of why PC shit, especially as a movement is bad. It ENCOURAGES gays to be faggots, trannies to be (even more) insane and obnoxious, feminists (more) delusional, and lefties into authoritarian communists.
Protip: and you're not allowed to criticize it without get ting compared to literally Hitler, which isn't too bad anymore since it's so overused.
>>59218726
>modern transexuality is really quite unique, even compared to the romans thirst for boipucci
>>>59218670
It makes sense though, since until quite recently that wasn't an option. You may want to be a girl, but there's nothing you can do about it. Now we have the technology is something you can do about it, so people are acting on their feelings.
>>59218767
no you retard its a mental illness spurred on by insecurity
they end up killing themselves just as much postop anyway
>>59216483
Its only a big thing in the upper class.
The upper class go to college, they are told in college that there is some sort of patriarchal aryan conspiracy to enslave every marginalized group, this middle/upper class gain guilt complexes which fuel a never ending desire to fuck over their own people and do anything to relieve themselves of a shame which never existed.
The self hatred and original-sin style guilt learned in college is starting to reach germanic levels of guilt.
>>59218762
Who cares what a bunch of kids that haven't experienced the real world yet think
>>59216558
Agreed. I think a lot of it is very reactionary in nature as well.
Now that Trump is well on the path to potentially become President you will see a lot of activity on the left and potentially some very extreme leftist policies suggested. By the same token there will be just as large amount of reactionary right-wing backlash if Hillary wins as well.
I don't really like it either way. I've always been a center-left kind of person. I don't care for extreme policies no matter which side of the spectrum they're on. It seems that every time one side reacts to the other the magnitude of that reaction gets larger. And so it ping-pongs back and forth getting more and more extreme. I think it will come to violence soon unfortunately. God help those who don't pick sides.
>>59218863
That or you just ignore and pretend to be into it to get easy leftist pussy
>>59218726
>decadent roman emperors cutting off little boys cocks isnt really historical precedent.
Isn't it? And don't pin this on the Romans; the Greeks were spearing each other long before Aeneas landed in Italy.
>modern transexuality is really quite unique, even compared to the romans thirst for boipucci
Unique compared to a 2000 year old civilization? My point is that relative to some of the more niche sexual identities, transsexuality isn't that new or obtuse.
>>59218886
Exactly. It's still obnoxious tbqhwy
>>59218951
Only reason you see it is because people keep bringing it up on this site. It's bigger and more ingrained in Europe
>>59218832
I didn't say anything that disagreed with what you just said.
>>59218863
This "college is liberal brainwashing" attitude seems overblown in my opinion. Yeah it does seems like things are slanted towards the left in liberal arts departments but that shit stays in liberal arts departments. I'm in engineering and I wasn't exposed to that stuff outside of a bit of it in intro English courses you have to take. Even then it wasn't that bad.
But I guess I can't speak for every college in the country but then again neither can you.
>>59218181
>What's more, I've never met an American who doesn't ardently support "lgbt".
Try talking to the average black guy about gay stuff and see if you won't have your lights knocked out.
>>59219054
Ironically, the black American I met most recently was the biggest faggot I've ever come across in my entire life, and I've been to France.
>>59219037
>I'm in engineering
STEM fields arent really effected by it yet. Thats why so many feminist departments are whining so much that they dont have enough representation in STEM.
Almost every other non-STEM field is rife with liberal shit.
>>59218181
>I've never met an American who doesn't ardently support "lgbt".
Expats and people who travel a lot tend to be very left leaning, posh types of people
>>59216606
>All the people I ask about it on the internet reply with charts about black people's skull sizes and shit.
fucking kek
>>59216824
>It's only an issue in very small circles (academia..
well, that IS a problem.
>>59218670
>No one cares about identity politics apart from a small, insular, and sometimes vocal niche in universities.
No. That used to be the case a few decades ago but with the internet it has spread everywhere.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/01/not-a-very-pc-thing-to-say.html
So a lot of leftists are being radicalized into becoming SJWs obsessed with political correctness and identity politics because of the media or sites like tumblr, whereas not too long ago they wouldn't care. I've noticed the transition with some people I used to know online.
The internet also allows PC to assert itself to an unprecedented level, almost Orwellian. Nowadays everyone has a phone with a camera, everyone has the internet, so if you're caught at any point at any time, anywhere saying something that's suddenly "not acceptable" in "polite society" anymore, your life/career might be over.
See: the guy who made that Dongle joke, Tim Hunt, the Mozilla CEO, the scientist who landed the probe on that comet, etc.
Hell just this week Curt Schilling was fired from ESPN. These things never happened with this kind of frequency and intensity before.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/09/us/missouri-football-players-protest-president-resigns/
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8a3715a1cccb49ca9bcfeda364839bee/yale-teacher-resigns-over-offensive-halloween-costume-email
Is it okay to be a leftist if you're a libertarian?
I'm not pro feminism, BLM, political-correctness, [insert victim complex related movement here], etc?
I feel like there wouldn't be so much stigma around being liberal if these elements were removed.
Things have gotten so out of hand, I'm not a racist or anything but I feel like I should be able to at least tell a race or gender joke every now and then without being persecuted. If you can't laugh at your own group's stereotypes every now and then then you are uptight as fuck.
>>59219175
it did not come from tumblr. its the fucking hippies again. they became teachers and profs and spread theyre love and acceptance all over the minds of the kids since the 90´s. and now we have those fucking cults.
tumblr is just an echochamber. sure it gets a lot of kids into this PC shite, but academia is the real problem.
>>59219010
>only reason you see it is because people keep bringing it up on this site.
Clearly you don't live in Portland
>>59216606
Hard to be PC when this is your country
>>59216606
Not entirely.
There's etiquette and then there's PC.
Both SJWs and alt right wingers are just pathetic cunts that should be laughed at.
>>59216606
PC is a way of keeping the "ugliness" out of language. Making the world, and language, PC means that you take away people's ability to express discontent and is a form of censorship.
>>59219417
>academia is the real problem
Well, the alternative is creationism and I can honestly say I don't know which sounds less appealing.
>>59219503
Neither is the problem really, yeah, extremes feed one another (I think that's what your strawman was getting at,) and academia has always been trying to out-edge itself, but the real issue is >>59219175
>>59219503
dude, im not proposing to tear down the building, and burn the books.
but universitys need to be invested and reformed. and social science needs more stigma. again, not saying we should get rid of it as a whole.
>>59219330
Yeah, pretty much.
Shit tier
-STORM FAGS
-SJWS
Mediocre tier
-right wingers
-left wingers
GOD TIER
-/pol/acks
-Classical Liberal
ELDER GOD TIER
Centrist either leaning slightly to the left or right.
>>59219330
It's fine but realize that at the end of the day you will go where they go because even if you're less authoritarian about it, you have similar goals so you will follow along.
They will keep being a problem, they will call you racist and sexist while you keep having to be on the defensive so you don't lose your credibility as a true "leftist", and you'll never stop them, you will have to forgive and forget what they do because they're on your side.
>>59219417
>it did not come from tumblr.
That's my point, tumblr and other sites only allow these fringe ideologies and concepts (safe spaces, genderfluid, etc.) that used to be limited to certain departments in certain colleges/universities to be spread and forced on millions on people all over the world, constantly and instantly.
>>59219644
*investigated.
i´m awake far to long
>>59219677
I don't really care about my credibility as a true leftist nor do I care about being called a racist. If telling a race jokes makes me a racist then I'm a racist.
Likewise SJWs cannot stop me voting for a liberal even if they don't consider me leftist.
I don't really care what people think of me for the most part. I don't owe anyone any explanations. The only person who I do care about appeasing is my boss. No one else.
>>59218656
>but if you tweet about shooting your school/uni, you will big boy.
Are you equating being historically inaccurate with threatening to shoot up a school?
>>59218656
Threats aren't protected under free speech.
Also it's worth noting that if you post such a threat but are very vague and post it somewhere like here where you are anonymous and it basically looks like it isn't serious you can usually get away with it.
People take that stuff a lot more seriously when there's a name attached to the potential shooter, a specific school is named, or a specific date/time.
>>59219503
>Well, the alternative is creationism and I can honestly say I don't know which sounds less appealing.
I don't follow. Are you memeing?
>>59219644
>and social science needs more stigma. again, not saying we should get rid of it as a whole.
It's hard to say whether there are redeeming qualities to social sciences though. How many years has psychology been an academic discipline and why don't they have a cohesive corpus of thought by now?
>>59220004
psychology is fucked up.
its a generalisation, but one from personal experience: people that study psychology are usually mentally ill. i´ve known 7 people in that field and every single one of them joined that field (aware or unaware) to figure out whats wrong with them. and helping others then maybe.
1 got a leading position as a chink. had a mental breakdown before the first day of work. its a mess really.
and what really gets me is that so many people exchanged religion for a psychiatrist.
whenever they make a major life decision they rely 100% on this one godly figure, disregarding family and friends.
>>59219779
You're right.
You're not a lefty.
You're a god.
>>59220281
My experience with psych majors is usually unmotivated shits who don't know what to major in uni, but I think psych has deeper issues than its students. I mean, for one, the complete lack of rigor in its peer review process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diederik_Stapel
>>59220729
Teachers are the worst. Literally morons that party and decide to become teachers so their parents money isn't wasted
>>59217014
Labour is neoliberal, like how the New Democrats under Clinton were, i.e. basically hypercapitalist globalists
Corbyn seems like a total dumbass, though. Like he's permanently stuck in a 1970s first-year graduate school history seminar on Marxism
>>59216606
If you're going out and actually saying shit like "gas the kikes" or "niggers should be drowned" you deserve to be ridiculed.
If you are reporting people for saying "black" instead of PoC, or trying to stifle debate under the guise of political correctness, you also deserved to be utterly ridiculed.
Most people don't give a shit about political correctness, only the hard-left and hard-right does.
