Hardest european language to learn?
Easiest european language to learn?
Finnish
English
I really need to get fit.
>>59038201
/thread
>>59038143
That kid must be drowning in pussy of all ages.
>>59038143
Polish
English/Spanish
>>59038143
proper spanish (since non-spaniards are biologically coded to not be able to speak properly)
english
>>59038143
That kid has a bright future ahead of him.
I'd say :
Polish
English
>>59038143
>12yo's are now fitter than you
Portuguese
Arabic
>>59038143
Islandic
Emglish
>>59038424
*icelandic
>>59038342
It's because non-spaniards don't sound like retards with a lisp
>>59038143
Bosnian/serbian/croatian
>>59038143
How old is this kid, dont know if want
No language is difficult if you go to the country and use the language.
>>59038526
Probably around 14 - and probably Photoshopped
Being this overdeveloped at a young age is extremely dangerous
Finnish or Hungarian
English or Spanish
>people saying Polish
>>59038342
Dunno about foreigners, but Spanish is obviously quite easy for Italian speakers. But I agree with those who say that Spanish is harder than French and Italian.
>>59038143
Hungarian
German (assuming you're excluding English)
>>59039211
Proper.
>>59038571
Probably 12 and non shopped, gimnastics kids have that body.
Also he will probably be a manlet
>>59038470
English speakers already have a lisp.
t. seseante master race
>>59039211
The problem with italians is that you don't bother to speak spanish properly and just use the tons of italian words because you know we can understand you anyway.
>>59038143
Russian
French
>>59038143
Finnish
Dutch
Finnish
Spanish
>>59038143
Some obscure language with no books or other stuff to learn from
Probably Spanish, but realistically English because it's used everywhere and has a ton of learning material
all of them
english
or so I've heard from the memes
>>59038143
>Hardest european language to learn?
Basque
>Easiest european language to learn?
English
finnish and hugarian are not european langueags both of those are asian barbarians.
learning depend on ur mother languege, obviosly for slavic ppl easier to learn another slavic langue and for branch of german langueges easier to learn another language from german group.
>>59039278
I'm C2 m8, claiming that Spanish is harder than any language with a case system is plain ridiculous.
>>59039327
That doesn't make it more difficult, it just means that we don't bother learning it properly. You also have some stupid things that might confuse Italian-speakers
Examples:
Abrir, Apertura. In Italian they would be Aprire, Apertura, with a P in both cases.
Fundar, Fondo. In Italian they would be Fondare and Fondo, with an O in both cases.
And things like that. It still a pretty easy language for an Italian-speaker.
>>59039641
I studied a bit of spanish last summer with only the basics I learned in highschool and the hardest part I'd say was learning subjonctive.
I'm not an expert in my own language and in fact I believe not many people here understand why they use subjonctive at all they just do it because it sounds right so spanish subjonctive having its quirks compared to french subjonctive that was a bit tedious, like relearning your own language more rigorously.
>Hardest european language to learn?
Portuguese, perhaps. That along with Finnish & Icelandic.
>Easiest European language to learn?
English, without a doubt. If your native language has strong latin roots, I suppose it can also be quite easy to pick up french, spanish & italian. For us portuguese it is, at least. Our grammar is arguably one of the most "complex" of the romance languages.
>>59039211
Spanish harder than French? That's not true m8, Spanish is quite easy, they have very little exceptions to the rules and the pronunciation is easy.
Maybe you're talking about the verbs, but all romance languages have those declinations.
Estonian (and every Baltic Language),Finnish
English,Spanish
>>59038143
>Hardest european language to learn?
Depends on your mother tongue.
>Easiest european language to learn?
Depends on your mother tongue.
Although English probably is pretty easy to pick up for anyone, because the language is so ubiquitous and you can't really get by in daily life without knowing it.
>>59040247
fuck subjunctive
1. Basque
2. English
>>59038143
If your maternal language is a romance or germanic language english is probably the easiest language to learn.
Hardest is probably Basque or finish.
>>59040663
Why do you think it's hard to learn Baltic languages?
>>59040496
The French and the Italian grammars are pretty much the same (Probably due to the strong french influence on Northern Italy) and I can assure you that Spanish is way harder than the Italian one.
Not only they use more tenses (Some of whom are even non-existent in Italian, like the subjuntivo futuro or the various form with the gerund like "Fueron uniendose" which aren't used in Italian) they also use more of them more often (For example the pretérito indefinido isn't used in Italian apart from very formal contexts and in literature and the use of the subjuntivo isn't as strictly regulated). They also have some little differences that were lost in French and in Italian (Está/Hay, Tener/Haber). Some may argue that French and Italian form the compound tenses with Être/Esser and Avoir/Avere, which may lead to confusion, but I still think that Spanish is way harder once you reach a middle-high level.
>>59038342
lol you wot?
spanish is one of the easiest languages out of there. I'm russian and went completly fluid after a year of living here.
>>59038143
>>59041498
>went completly fluid after a year of living here.
Being fluent in a language after living for a year is normal m8, the opposotie would have been strange.
>>59041643
Nope, I want to see you go to Finland, Russia, China or Greece and try that shit.
>>59038143
>Hardest european language to learn?
I'd say Basque
>Easiest european language to learn?
Spanish
>>59041745
I picked up arabiic when arriving here 10 months ago and am now fluent.
>>59038323
>>59038371
ALWAYS THESE FAGGOTS WITH THE POLISH MEME
>>59038143
Finnish for hardest, no matter where you come from.
Easiest depends, but I'm going to go with Italian or Spanish.
Chechen or Georgian
English
Hardest germanic language: Icelandic (4 cases, many irregularities)
Hardest romance language: French (difficult to grasp pronouncation compared to the other romance languages)
Hardest slavic language: I think its czech or polish, (7 cases, many different ch sounds)
Something like that I think
>>59041814
Where are you from? I seriously doubt it.
The thing is spanish is extreemly easy, the pronunciation, the grammatic rules and times have very little exeptions, the orthography is just a piece of cake, they littleraly read and write the same!
>>59041916
t. Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz
>>59038342
Spanish is one of the easiest languages to learn
>>59038143
Russian or Basque
Spanish
>>59042024
If I want to learn one Slavic language that would help me communicate with the most Slavic peoples, should I learn Slovenian? Will Slovaks, Poles, and Croatians/Serbians be able to understand me?
>>59042000
Don't forget ŘŘŘŘŘŘ and Chrt pln skvr vtrhl skrz čtvrť Krč prv zbltl čtvrthrst zrn.
>>59042122
>learn one Slavic language
Learn russian, the rest is useless.
>>59042009
French here,
I agree that spanish is easy, but most people who aren't socially awkward and put some goodwill can learn any language in a few months by living in the country.
>>59042122
no lol. Only Slovenians will.
Also do this: >>59042159
Pretty much every post-communist country's citizens know some Russian.
>>59042122
Slovene is close enough to Serbo-Croatian but the rest are a bit more distant; Slovakian is the closest of the West Slavic. As a non-Slav, you will probably have a lot more problems understanding speakers of other Slavic languages, though.
There's always that meme language, Interslavic, too. It's something all Slavs understand to an extent and it may actually help for understanding their languages.
>>59042205
>Pretty much every post-communist country's citizens know some Russian.
No.
>>59042159
>>59042205
I'm not talking about one that they all speak, I'm talking about one that sounds the closest to their native language. I've always thought Slovenian was a very "general" Slavic language
>>59042218
Should I learn Interslavic?
>>59042305
>one that they all speak
Oh, you mean English? There's no magical panslavic language you fucking fairy.
>>59042305
>Should I learn Interslavic
No.
>>59042122
You basically have to pick a slav group you want to understand. If you want to understand East Slavs, it's Russian. West Slavs it's probably Slovak and for South Slavs I don't know, maybe Croatian.
>>59039605
so basically what you said was that finno/ugric languages are the hardest
>>59042340
>There's no magical panslavic language
There is Interslavic.
>>59042305
As I've said, as a non-Slav, you will probably have difficulty understanding speakers of other Slavic languages since they're just distant/different enough, plus many have words that mean different things. And there's dialects.
It depends on whether you want to understand the most Slavs (then it's Russian) or if you want to understand Slavs from different regions (West Slavic language to understand West Slavs,...).
>>59042305
>I've always thought Slovenian was a very "general" Slavic language
Why should it be? They're on the edge of the Slavic speaking area.
>>59042305
You are literally American. Just drop the idea, you won't learn any language anyway.
>tfw your language is meme
t. Native Basque speaker
>>59040729
I understand it must be quite hard for a native English speaker but you do have a form a subjuntive so It's not completely foreign.
>>59042450
It's a Slavic language that is the closest to the old language.
>he doesn't even use dual
>>59042305
>Should I learn Interslavic?
It's a meme language, it have it's own grammar and spelling, but with no pronunciation, so nobody will teach you how to speak it. Moreover, I think different Slavs have very different pronunciation, so they all would read the same Interslavic text by their own way
>>59042438
>Users several hundreds (2012)[1]
>Purpose Constructed languages
>intothetrash.jpg
>>59042462
I'm already bilingual (English+Icelandic) with decent proficiency in German, some basic knowledge of Dutch, and I can understand most written Nordic languages. I do well at this stuff, but I want to speak with blyad' in their native tongues
>>59042438
I might just learn Slovenian since nothing can give me a perfect understanding of the other languages. If I learn Slovenian, I can at least read the other Slavic languages (I can already read Cyrillic)
>>59042375
>maybe Croatian
But would Macedonians and Croats understand Slovenian?
>>59042655
Oh sorry then, you are the good American kind. Can appreciate that! But I still would suggest you just to learn Russian. There are great literature works from Russian authors and many more speakers in Russian.
>>59042571
What exactly makes you think that, other than the dual?
>>59042655
Ha? Er íslenska móðurmálið þitt?
>>59042655
>>59042578
>>59042571
>>59042450
>>59042438
>>59042305
closest to proto-slavic language is Russian probably, they have closes accent (free stress), though their vocabulary has alot of latin/german/english words (кapтoчки, пepюд). Polish has in example nasal vowels, which retained after proto-slavic. Don't know much about south Slavs, but they seem to be a lot of Hungarian and Turkic words.
>>59042645
Well yes, you'd have to go back to the year 500 for a natural language that all Slavs could understand.
>>59042655
>But would Macedonians and Croats understand Slovenian?
They can if they want to, but the younger people (both Slovene and Serbo-Croatian speaking) are getting too stupid and they communicate in English.
Can anyone give me an idea of the difference in difficulty of learning French vs Spanish? As an English speaker?
I've never given Hungarian a shot but I heard it's a very difficult language.
Kinda interested in learning it for muh heritage (have some distant family whom I visited in Hungary some years ago but we spoke English) but when I have time for it I'd like to continue learning spanish and japanese, being a weab and all that.
>>59038143
JOHN CENA
>>59042807
>though their vocabulary has alot of latin/german/english words (кapтoчки, пepюд).
Maybe then Ukrainian or Belorussian are better? They have a lot more original Slavic words
>>59042904
I'd go for Slovak, they have really mix of Russian, Czech, Slovenian and Polish vocabulary
>>59042795
Já, ég er grindvíkingur.
>>59042765
>>59042807
I agree it's the most useful but I've never really liked Russian...I always found Slovenian to be much more beautiful.
Also I've considered learning Livonian to go full meme.
>>59042829
I suppose I could always fall back on English if they don't understand me
Basque
English
>>59040438
>portuguese
Don't flatter yourself. Brazilian Portuguese, at least, is incredibly easy for me.
>>59043004
well, learn maybe old church Slavonic then?
>>59039344
this
>>59040438
>Portuguese
Easy
>Icelandic
Not as hard as people say it is. It has 4 cases, but so does German. Some groups have issues with pronunciation but if you can roll your r's then the only thing you'll have trouble pronouncing will be "au" as in "aumingi".
>>59043271
U for real? If that's actually useful I'd unironically learn it.
>>59042839
Easier to reach B2 in Spanish.
For C1 and C2 french is easier. Mastering spanish is a pain in the ass for me.
But my maternal language is german not english.
>>59043208
Duvido.
>>59043004
>Já, ég er grindvíkingur.
Þú meinar Grindjáni
>>59043397
Can Swiss people understand Hochdeutsch? Also pls tell me stories about your experience with Rätoromanisch people.
>>59042839
Personally, I would say Spanish is easier, but French isn't far behind.
>>59043484
>Grindjáni
kv. Reykjafífl
>>59038201
This. Can confirm.
>>59042807
>closest to proto-slavic language is Russian probably, they have closes accent (free stress),
We also have free stress though. It's funny listening to degenerate Slavic languages such as Czech and Serbocroatian stressing every word on the first vowel desu.
>>59042807
>closest to proto-slavic language is Russian probably
I don't think so. Free stress exists in all the East and South Slavic languages. Serbo-Croatian even still uses pitch accent, though it's far from the original one (the same could be said about the Polish nasal vowels btw).
The closest to Proto-Slavic language is Lithuanian, not even memeing.
>>59043561
>Heldur að einhver úr RVK shitty myndi vita að kalla Grindjána, Grindjána
>>59043503
Yea we use hochdeutsch everyday when we write, read, at school.
Not any experience I'm not from that part of Switzerland.
>>59043570
Shit. I mùight have to learn it very soon.
Any advice / mistakes not to make ?
>>59042450
>>59042571
>>59042807
>>59042971
>>59043045
>>59043660
>>59043724
Can you please go to my thread and read Interslavic meme language?
>>59043728
>>59043793
We can tell that your foreign even when you think that you just spoke perfectly so don't stress over it.
Maybe the case system is the hardest so look into that.
>>59042305
>I've always thought Slovenian was a very "general" Slavic language
No, they are a really fringe slavic language. Slovak however is understood fairly good by Poles and Serbs as I noticed, being in the middle.
t. Slovakian
>>59038342
lol no
>>59043746
Ertu frá Akureyri?
>>59043747
Have you been to Liechtenstein?
>>59044028
But Slovakia is ugly and poor (no offense), whereas Slovenia has nice mountains and old buildings.
>>59038143
Finnish or Hungarian.
English or Spanish.
>>59038419
portuguese is hard but arabic is easy? wut
>>59040438
how is portuguese hard? it's just a tiny bit more hard than spanish, but still pretty latin based. something like hungarian is way harder because you have nothing in common
Are the Caucaus languages hard to learn?
>Georgian
>Armenian
>Azerbaijani
>Chechen
Etc
>>59044236
They are very similar to Russian and Turkish, and both Russian and Turkish are pretty hard and complex languages.
>>59043985
I wouldn't stress about not sounding native, this is obviously not going to happen unless I spend several years in your country.
It's more about being able to find a job and understanding things like movies
>>59044236
Yes. They are probably the hardest languages in the Earth. Especially Georgian.
>>59044303
t.don't know anything about them
>>59044303
>>59044403
What makes it so hard? Isn't Armenian indo-european? Shouldn't it be easier?
How about Georgian?
>>59044303
Are you retarded ? Azerbaijani is same as Turkish.
Armenian is total different from Russian, Georgian or Turkish, same for Georgian it doesn't look like any other language.
>>59044572
Armenian is an independent branch of Indo-european and has a lot of unique features because of it which makes it hard.
Georgian belongs to the Kartvelian language tree and is not even Indo-european.
>>59042305
South slavic is a no go, it is like a slavic creole.
Go for Czech or Ukrainian
>>59042476
>Native Basque speaker
Your language is an isolate, so tell us how the ergative case works. Or anything else interesting.
1. Finnish/Hungarian (Uralic languages)
2. English
Honorable mention:
Lithuanian - The language is so ancient, it might as well be Sanskrit.
>>59038143
Probably finno-ugric or baltic.
Easiest - Arabic.
>>59044754
>slavic creole
>>59044572
Georgian is unique,but not very hard
>>59044572
>What makes it so hard?
They are not well studied, and I think most of good literature about them is on Russian.
>Isn't Armenian indo-european? Shouldn't it be easier?
Probably. But Armenian don't have any close relatives.
>How about Georgian?
This I think the hardest one. They are isolated, so they don't have any similar to us words, they have their own alphabet and very strange pronunciation
>>59044705
>unique cases
Sorry, i'm very bad with terms like this. I always see it in discussions about language. What does unique cases mean in layman's terms?
>>59044853
So what language is closest to Armenian and Georgian?
>>59044820
>favours ease of pronunciation to sticking to rules
>least vowel sounds of any slav language
>words have little in common with other slav languages
Icelandic/Faroese/Basque
Italian/Spanish/English
>>59045152
>Serbo-Croatian = all South Slavic languages
>schwa is not a vowel
>one word = all words
>>59045152
>rodyti
>to see
It's to show/point. To see is matyti.
>>59046043
>muh 2 million speakers "language"
>muh pseudo-vowels
>>59042839
Go for Spanish, it may be hard to master it but it's worth it, also, go for resources from Spain, not from south america.
French is a total pain in the ass, the vowels, grammar and pretty much all the language is a fucking mess.
>>59043004
Dude, you obviously want to learn Slovenian so just do it.
You don't need an excuse or a reason to do it, just the will.
>>59046273
>literally uses several "pseudo-vowels" in a post
>speaks an Anglo-German mongrel language
I hope your dikes break, faggot.
Hungarian pronounciation is a bitch, but atleast our alphabet is phonetic. I've yet to meet a foreginer who didn't have an atrocious accent.
t. hungarian mongol
