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1. Possibility for getting very rich
2. No one is poor & everyone has the same opportunities in life
Which one is your choice, /int/?
2, unless I was reborn with a better personality, then maybe 1.
>>58863502
So what's wrong with your personality lad?
>>58863430
Let me reword that:
2. Everyone is poor & no one has opportunities in life
>>58863705
So what is that country?
>>58863746
Brazil :DD
>>58863820
Then get rich, fucker
>>58863859
I CAN'T
Same opportunity? Really?
Doesn't it come out that overachieving rather-poor foreign countries snitch your chance after all?
>implying those two are mutually exclusive
>>58864075
>implying you can have wealth inequality and equal opportunity
>>58864075
Well yeah, that's why you can see supercars in Finland everyday
>>58863430
1 because it's more exciting and I could use my power to diminish social inequality
>>58864019
???
I couldn't parse that.
2. Liberalism is a disgrace
I unironically believe that a society in which no one is truly wealthy but no one is in struggling poverty would be the absolute best for humans and the planet as a whole.
>>58864240
Immigrants coming in and snatching your jobs.
>>58864204
You're living in one already :D. Go get rich!
>>58864141
I guess that depends on how you define equal opportunity. It's a matter of how high you set the floor. If every kid has the same access to education, healthcare and basic services, you can still have wealth inequality because families have accumulated social capital and people have different levels of ability.
>>58864316
dirty commie, how have you not been shot yet?
3, full of autists
>>58864316
Prepare to be shitposted to death by people who landed jobs and other opportunities only because of their parents' connections.
>>58864362
Well I am studying for this reason
>>58864353
Overachieving, talented labor from abroad is a bad thing? They'd pay into the system like everyone else and end up creating more jobs. Acually getting high-achieving immigrants would be everyone's dream. It will never happen in reality, though. Naked ambition doesn't exactly drive people to Nordic-style welfare states, they head for places like America.
>>58864316
Ur unamerican
2bh
>>58864316
Less poverty means less crime so why WOULDN'T people prefer it? Unless they're currently rich enough to afford private security and live secluded from the rest of the population I guess.
>>58863430
I prefer a society that cherishes your average mediocre working white man but provides an unlimited outlet to innovative/ambitious people via capitalism. Sweden/Australia/Canada/Finland/Norway are all my type of country.
>>58864435
I admire you!
>>58864435
You don't get very very rich with studying. What degree you getting?
>>58864435
>he fell for the "education" meme
>>58864527
>Overachieving, talented labor from abroad is a bad thing?
It certainly can be on an individual level, coming out of university instead of competing with a local workforce like everyone else I had to compete against practically an international workforce. Importing millions of the worlds most ambitious people into your city has plenty of drawbacks, just look at how competitive virtually every aspect of American culture is.
>>58864574
>Unless they're currently rich enough to afford private security and live secluded from the rest of the population I guess.
You answered the question yourself.
>>58864019
>your chance
Nobody owes you a living. There's a practical benefit to society providing every citizen a basic standard of living, but this idea that everyone has a right to employment is insane. Every right entails a responsibility, so who has to provide that job? In a sufficiently mature society, productivity is so high that some people simply have nothing to offer to the job market. Are they supposed to dig and fill in ditches?
Also, opportunity ≠ job. Imagine this: some people actually start their own businesses.
>>58864657
>>58864702
That's the first step, stay jelly.
>>58864353
>immigrants
>having jobs
good meme lad
>>58864527
You shouldn't be arguing with me, I was only relaying what the Japanese poster said.
But I agree, emigration is a problem because of the brain drain, especially in countries without tuition fees.
>>58864731
Those kind of people do deserve to be murdered eventually. They know it too, otherwise they wouldn't be afraid to live among the general population.
>>58864624
h-hue thks :D
>>58864657
>>58864702
>You don't get very very rich with studying.
If you want to be just a wageslave sure you won't. But if you want to do something different and actually create industries you need at least to know what the hell you are doing. Also most millionaires here, mostly get into low-tech biz or already consolidated business like real-state or commodities, because there isn't a lot of knowledge behind it. That's the difference between us and a rich country. We need to gather the knowledge of the first world countries and make it ourselves to the point of reaching them in terms of tech. Like every now first world country did in the beginning, like Japan, Germany, Italy, South Korea. I am doing Electrical Engineering
>>58864745
Not here. He may get rich, but he will not be very very rich.
>>58864744
If human history is any indicator 25% of us will be rich land owners and the rest will be house slaves.
>>58864527
I meant that imo the said humanitarian good-for-everyone society couldn't compete with foreign inhumanly hardworking countries in global export competitions
>>58864970
What degree though? I understood, maybe badly, that you are studying meme degrees, like medicine or engineering.
>>58864711
Competitiveness isn't necessarily a bad thing if there's a way for everyone to live a decent life without being a genius. Imagine a scenario where this is limited bu preferential hiring of natives: companies get less talented people, causing lower overall productivity, leading to smaller total production.
Policies like this shift the responsibility of welfare to businesses and they'll do their damnedest to dodge it. It's better to provide basic services publicly and let companies focus on making money.
>>58865074
>meme degrees, like medicine or engineering.
>>58864990
Certainly not in bulk manufacturing, but that's hardly the point, is it?
Besides, in the real world, welfare states tend to have fairly competitive economies.
>>58865074
Electrical Engineering
>>58865123
Don't get me wrong, those are good degrees if you wish to live confortably and be rich, also very helpful to society. But to become a sucessful businessman, banker; to be part of the mega rich those degrees are useless.
>>58865285
there is a difference between being megarich by producing nothing and being megarich by producing something m8. Just because here we haven't seen this happening that often doesn't mean it doesn't work
>>58864990
People would almost always choose to be productive rather than accept welfare, this is even more true in case of men.
In our modern capitalist society, failure drives you into a downward spiral.
>>58865353
Good luck then :D
>>58865421
hue thks :D
i like the nordic model of society quite a lot, both of my parents were from poor working class families but they were both smart and studied and my mother became a doctor while my father is a lawyer
