>be European
>pay 60% of your profit to the fascist government
>>58833846
Whats taxes like in Russia? I am visiting soon
>>58833926
13% but nobody pays it
>Be Russian
>Can't take Tbilisi in 2008
>>58833946
Ah, what city are you in? I will visit Moscow and St. Petersburg in August.
>>58833994
>be georgia
>be irrelevant
>be Russian
>government uses oil revenues to fund itself instead of depending more on taxes
>country is still a shithole and not much better off than at the end of Soviet days despite other ex USSR countries doing better without oil
>>58834033
Petrozavodsk
>>58834078
>>58834078
Name a former soviet country who is doing better than russia?
>inb4 naming some commie country that wasnt part of the USSR
>>58834056
I don't speak Fat
>>58833946
>13% but nobody pays it
Are you being literal?
>>58834125
Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
>>58834125
Baltics
>>58833846
>be russian
>pay nothing because you got nothing anyway
>>58834212
>be French
>be minority in your own capital
>>58833846
If only the governments were fascist, that'd be an improvement
>>58834125
Even Kazakhstan is doing better than them (although they do have oil, they just use it more responsibly. The other responders mentioned the ones doing better without oil).
>>58834152
>>58834161
retarded american btfo
>>58834335
>Brit calling someone retarded
>>58833946
13% is only part which you pay yourself. Your employer pays taxes from your wage too. In sum it's 58%. Like you would be paid 58% more if no taxes were paid and you employer would give sum he spends on you.
>>58834078
> not much better off than at the end of Soviet days
you know nothing.
>>58833846
Were i to be taxed at 95% of my wealth i'd still be 10 times richer than your sorry ass
>>58834558
you also have 100 times more niggers and fags
>>58834530
The GDP per capita isn't that much higher than in 1990. It's like 50% higher iirc. Your economy is also stagnating due to Western sanctions and Putin's retardation.
>>58834621
But Russia has 100 times more exploding Muslims. Even more than France.
>>58833946
proofs?
>>58834731
Religion is irrelevant, race can't be changed.
>>58834760
Are you implying Muslims are the same race as us?
>>58834685
You are wrong. And wages, infrastructure and everything are just incompatible. Especially if you compare with late soviet period where you just couldn't buy basic food or anything.
>>58834784
Are you retarded?
This is a rhetorical question
>>58834456
>Russians pay 58% of their salaries
Jesus Christ, out country is awful
>>58833846
We get cheap and quality schooling and wellfare for it though there is a reason that western europe has the highest living standards on the world.
>>58834819
We don't consider them the same race here. I find the whole notion preposterous.
>>58834907
Retarded opinions of yours don't change facts.
>>58834898
Western Europe became prosperous before leftards started making you give away most of your salaries
>>58834934
Nor do retarded opinions of yours.
>>58833846
> ruskie
> talking about fascist governments
>>58834977
Never stated my opinion.
>>58834934
t. mikhail dzhugashnashbashdashviliski
>>58835044
Are you retarded?
This is a rhetorical question
>>58833994
>be Russia
>take half of Georgia in three days
>>58835083
You probably smoked too much or sucked too much dick today
>>58835063
t. Tyrone
I think we really need to stop arguing here, no country here has ever done anything wrong
>>58834807
Yeah sure, Russia is a paradise now. That's why Soviet nostalgia is so high, especially compared to countries that actually improved after communism fell.
>>58835121
>Be American
>Lose war to yourself
>>58835162
It's not paradise but it improved a lot.
Nostalgia for commie times high everywhere
>When the renowned West-German magazine Der Spiegel asked former GDR-inhabitants whether the GDR "had more good sides than bad sides", 57% of them answered yes.
>A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same.
http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/hungary-better-off-under-communism/
It's actually old people nostalgic about their youth or some aspects of life back then or fapping to military might in case of ussr. But nobody wants planned economy and all that shit back.
Pls stop that bullshit you don't know anything about life here and how it was 10-20-30 years ago.
>>58835162
>That's why Soviet nostalgia is so high
It's not so high, it doesn't even exist in apopulation younger than 40.
>>58835338
Nostalgia can't exist in people who never experienced it
>taxes are fascists!!!!1111!
grow up faggots
>>58835338
>>58835321
>>58835224
question I've wanted to ask
When you guys think of the CCCP
do you think of Greater Russia, or 15 socialist republics?
Have been genuinely curious for a few days now
if you think you can speak for the rest of your countrymen please do, and yes I know I'm also responding to you Georgia
>>58833846
i dont care, i'm loving it here
>>58835396
Most people who actually lived there consider it as 15 republics united, like a confederation or federation, but more different states, with brotherly nations.
Something like EU is now, but more centralized.
Like, they still thought of themselves as Georgians, not soviets, but still part of the great USSR.
am i explaining it well?
And on the other hand, most people who never lived there, like youngsters and also some haters think of it as Russian empire
>>58835396
I don't understand question.
When you think of USSR you think of USSR. Or about some republic in particular. I've only been in Ukraine and Russia and Belarus both in soviet times and later. They are and were similar culturally etc. Other republics were different and quite alien to me especially Baltics and Central Asian ones. My parents however traveled to many other republics but as tourists.
>>58835352
I'm 32 but I remember 80s and how things changed from calm and peaceful to unrest and savage. Though, 90s were so high-spirited, people believed in a new Russia.
>>58835396
>do you think of Greater Russia, or 15 socialist republics?
USSR was all those republics combined, how can I think of it any other way?
>>58835530
Basically what the Georgian said, do you Russians think of it as just a bigass extension of Russia, or as 14 communist friends in one country alongside Russia?
>>58835521
Do you think the Russians who lived in it at that time that of it as 15 republics united?
>>58835521
This is 100% legit here also.
>>58835600
I doubt all Russians had the same mind.
Also, you're an American, your opinions regarding this part of the world are irrelevant
>>58835321
Hungary is more of an exception and not a part of the USSR, if we're going to include countries in the Soviet sphere of influence, the then Poland, the Czech republic, and East Germany love the market economy and are satisfied with the transition (and thinking that communism has more positive than negatives doesn't mean that they think it is superior to capitalism). Coincidentally, those are the countries that improved the most after the fall of communism.
>>58835600
>as 14 communist friends in one country alongside Russia
Not him, ofc this.
>>58835600
Georgian explained it well. It were different republics based on ethnicity with different cultures, languages, local governments/parties/councils and features.
However it was confederation and quite centralized politically state at the same time.
>>58835694
>>58835587
Well I know it was that, but did most Russians at the time feel that it was just more power for Russia? Or something like that?
I think I'm just asking how United the populace was overall to each other
>>58835654
I don't have an opinion that's why I'm asking you guys
>>58835658
Nobody in Russia wants return to planned economy, communism and all that staff. Even "communist party of Russia" is for market economy but with some social benefits, pensions, higher taxes, etc.
If some people say they have nostalgia for USSR they have nostalgia for some particular aspects and things and mostly about their youth.
>>58835813
If you're asking whether they felt as a part of the same nation, the answer is no.
Did they feel like a part of the same huge family? Yep.
>>58835807
So in your mind you were all pretty politically unified, just 'one country' at the time?
Cause I know you were 15 different socialist republics with a bunch of different religions, cultures, geography, infrastructure etc. but yeah you guys have more or less answered my question
I had the notion most Russians thought it was just a bonus for Russia almost, and not 14 other countries with them
>>58835885
Well that works well enough for me, thank you
>>58835960
It was USSR. Different entity from Russia.
It's actually you often hear in western movies/sources things like "Soviet Russia" as name of whole USSR or calling any soviets - Russians. It's cringeworthy because it was many different peoples.
>>58836070
Yeah. It's like if USA was called Texas by foreigners. It's simply retarded.
>>58835874
Soviet Nostalgia is highest among people who were old enough to remember the 60s-70s, when the USSR was at its "best" (scare quotes cuz it was still shit), the people who experienced the 80s but not the 60s-70s are less nostalgic. It cannot *just* be that they are nostalgic for their childhoods, although that is a factor. Given that communist nostalgia is lower in countries that improved more, such as the Czech Republic and Poland, Russia's high Soviet nostalgia has to be at least in part due to not improving as much as you should have after the collapse of the USSR. You have oil, tons of resources in the Siberia, etc etc. People are mad those resources are being used to prop up corruption instead of develop the country. People are mad the press and opposition aren't as free as they though they would be at fall of the USSR. There's literally no way to get around the fact that Russia squandered a lot of opportunity after the fall of communism.
>>58836070
>>58836105
Thank you a lot actually, as I said I knew it was really diverse and varied but I never thought most of you really minded each other, but yeah it makes a lot of sense now that I think about it
>>58836174
quit
>>58836105
Texas does not make up half of our population and impose their will on neighboring states. People called it Soviet Russia because communists taking over the Russian empire, and inheriting control of its conquered territories, is how the Soviet Union came into being. It's not like central Asia and the Baltics forced communism on the Russian empire.
>>58836240
So if Texas was bigger, would it be fair to call the whole USA Texas?
Also, almost none of the starting commies were Russians.
>>58835813
>did most Russians at the time feel that it was just more power for Russia? Or something like that?
Nothing like that. The idea of Russia was abandoned by the new government and forgotten by most people.
>>58836304
then this question will sound autistic,
why did the USSR just fucking collapse into the earth? What happened to where everybody just wanted it to stop?
>>58836273
It doesn't matter their ethnicity. Russia itself is multi ethnic. The point is that they took over the political entity of the Russian empire. Also that might be true for Texas. After all, some people still call the Netherlands Holland and the name for Germany in various languages is usually derived from the Germanic tribe they were closest to. It is not uncommon for entities within countries to represent the whole country.
>>58836240
Revolutionaries were of all ethnicities in fact few of them were ethnic Russians.
Ukrainian Makhno army played huge role in civil war it stopped white advance against Moscow and was very numerous and powerful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Riflemen#Red_Latvian_Riflemen played huge role too.
Soviet government and top posts consisted of peoples of a lot of different ethnicities too.
Baltics is a bit different story they were annexed much later and integrated much worse in USSR they always opposed it and feel occupied.
>>58836174
>let me tell about your country
>>58836357
I've already written about baltics they always wanted out.
Conditions in late 80's were very bad - shortages, deficit. Combined with huge liberalization, glasnost it led to raise of nationalism. Many were blaming central government and thought they could do better themselves.
Local party elite used it too - they wanted more power - it's much better to be Tsar in independent republic then high official in bigger one - you have less power, could be fired, etc.
Various ethnic conflicts happened too.
People wanted to get rid of ideology and planned economy of course too.
There are whole books about it and they often contradict each other.
>>58836381
Russian empire was organized in different way. It wasn't divided into republics based on ethnicity(with exceptions like Finland) but into gubernii. And most important factor of dividing people was religion not ethnicity. Like in your papers they would write "Ivan Ivanov, Orthodox"
>>58836604
where did the secularism of communism go? I thought Soviets were big on trying to get rid of religion
>>58836357
For many reasons combined. You heard of Perestroika, right? There was intelligence still alive and anti-soviet and Gorbachev's times gave let their voices sound louder. Those voices were heard. At the same time, USA was in fashion, it represented modern industry, technology and pop-culture. People loved the idea of kinda going back to the time where repressions and mass-braindrain didn't happen with an addition of new good stuff. Just only Russia without friends. 90s were full of pre-1917 Russian symbolism, praising it's history and roots. That's how I see the ideological side of it here in Russia. No idea about other republics.
>>58836649
ww2. Germans used soviets fight with religion by making deals with some priests and maybe attracting some religious people on their side.
Stalin restored church but under commie control. And after war they never fought against church anymore seriously it was tolerated.
But it still was looked down in society people who go to church were considered weirdos and you could have problems at work if you hold some important position.
>>58836649
So to add early soviets fought against religion but it never fully worked a lot of people still believed in god at least not openly. In ww2 it was seen as good unifying/propaganda factor. They even restored some Tsar-era elements of military uniforms, georgian ribbons because it was seen as patriotic unified factor again.
Some pre-revolution war songs too.
>>58836708
It's too bad you guys aren't still one country under a not-so-communist government
would be a pretty cool country desu, lots of qts and real interesting places to visit, and you wouldn't have all these sanctions because Ukraine wouldn't need a civil war :D
>>58836767
>>58836879
so the de-religion thing was mainly before WW2? I guess that makes sense since I don't imagine many Central Asian muslims joined the Soviet army and fought on the German front, so I imagine reinstating the Orthodox church wouldn't hurt too much
>>58836998
Speaking of soviet nostalgia(like really wanting it back) it's more common not in Russia but in places like eastern Ukraine. In soviet times miners there were making 5x more than engineer. They could have vacations every year on soviet resorts, medical care was better and could afford a lot. They were rich people by soviet standards. Then they became super poor, had to work for $100 in illegal mines risking lives. And on tv they were called bydlo and depressive region at the same time.
And a lot of industry stopped.
Well in Russia there are such depressive regions too but things are not that bad even there.
Personally all people who experience 60's 70's ussr I know wouldn't want it back. They can afford much more today. Much more freedoms. Having a car was unreachable dream back then. Or some vhs player.
>>58837245
>such depressive regions
>Eastern Ukraine
Donbass is okay. Lugansk is pretty much rekt.
