Why is English so strikingly primitive? How do you even communicate with one another speaking it?
Primitive?
It makes up its weakness in vocabulary
And as shakespeare said brevity is the soul of wit
like you do
>>58802029
your shakespare was rather a primitive man if he really said that
>>58801980
you forgot "runs" m8
>>58802072
Oh, my bad, dude. Sheesh, so now your language is much richer isn't it?
>>58801980
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_innovations_and_discoveries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ukrainian_inventions
Having a complex language didn't help you.
English has a lot of phrasal verbs though.
>>58802066
well through polonius
>>58802110
check yourself, dude
>>58802150
We are the laziest nation on this planet. What's your excuse? It seems having a complex language only helps you becoming cheap whores in England and working in their construction sector.
>>58801980
I'm freaking out about too many "to" usage of English.
>>58801980
It's very simple but okay for work and business. You have a luxury of Russian + Ukrainian so you're a bit spoiled here, m8.
>>58802139
>English has a lot of phrasal verbs though.
fucking crutches that somewhat make the situation a little bit better
>mfw hohol is trying to arrogate himself a foreign language.
On /int/ we mainly just wave our dicks around and insult each others countries, food and customs.
>>58802203
>It's very simple but okay for work and business
That's basically what the English language was invented for. So that people wouldn't bother learning something more complex.
I would suggest to impose Ukrainian on amerifats
>his language isn't agglutinative
Chinese tier
>>58802545
>agglutinative
utterly disgusting
>>58802464
Maybe once you're able to hold your own land you can try to impose your will on other countries.
>>58802106
At least 25% richer
>>58802342
>wasting your time learning complex languages.
nobody have time for that. also why you use that many verb for run ? it seems pointless to me
>>58802636
I like those returns. Reinvest that into Ukraine and lets see if we can get that place up and running again.
>>58802464
>that ukrainian delusion
>mfw
What if I'm only an attention whore and you all just ate my bait? AHAHA!!! LOSERS! I GOT YOU ALL!! xDDDD!1111
>>58801980
Which one of those means 'to run away from encroaching russian soldiers'?
>>58802700
Well we got a good laugh anyway, thanks
>>58802029
When /int/ was new I heard English posters talk about how complicated English is. And now I've seen this trend of people claiming it has the biggest vocabulary. Where do these idiotic ideas come from?
Dutch often uses German, Dutch, English and French synonyms. Especially in Flemish.
Plus we have 'build your own' compound words.
And I'm pretty sure we're hardly unique in this.
>>58802762
Wait why do you think anyone cares about Dutch? Literally nobody does
>>58802812
>said a fucking subhuman from nowhere
>>58802812
People care enough not to napalm us.
ukrainian language is just peasant-russian :^)
>>58801980
wow... russian is a complex language.
:^)
>>58802812
>A FUCKING STAR
>>58802912
ukrainian is as complex as russian is
>>58802827
>>58802864
>>58802925
>they think im a viet
Cute :3
English is like an amoeba that absorbs all the words it likes and occasionally spits out old ones. It's not a complex language but it's flexible.
>>58802964
>rigid word order
>flexible
>>58802987
rigidity in usage but grammatical
yoda speak is correct
If English is so shit how come you're using it right now?
>>58803026
If English is so shit than why is the bible written in it?
Checkmate, commies.
>>58801980
I asked to my mom to teach me ukranian (she born there), and her reply was "learn an useful laguange".
I learning german now.
english has the highest information rate of any actual spoken language
>>58803165
Gee, I wonder who conducted this study...
>>58803079
a *useful btw
because u is said like you so the it is an a
>>58803235
Probably not a Dutchman. He would have ran out of paper.
>>58803235
French
http://www.ddl.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/fulltext/pellegrino/Pellegrino_to%20appear_Language.pdf
>>58803165
doesn't really matter though, it's "efficient" but if you speak too fast people won't understand you anymore
>>58803268
really? I will never understand english.
>>58803384
yes, if it doesn't sound right it's probably not right
>>58801980
Learn more then you thick cunt
>>58803412
>if it doesn't sound right it's probably not right
this is how I choose what word to use t b h
I scored a college level reading & writing on my placement exams in 7th grade so I guess it works well. Was the last time I was anywhere close to learning English in an educational setting.
>>58803412
a lot of things don't sound right in english, like "that that"
>>58803165
I'm not surprised by this. Dutch speakers speak very slowly with lots of syllables. German is alike, so they use lots of syllables as well.
>>58803340
That's literally every language
>>58802987
Hasve you ever spoke english in your entire life?
>>58803507
>Dutch speakers speak very slowly
Not all Dutchmen. I speak very fast.
That said, a lot of people ask me to repeat myself more slowly.
I agree on having a lot of syllables though.
>tfw you live in the country that invented America and spread English around the world
>>58803573
American*
We speak American.
>>58803571
You should hear Dutch people speak English. Then you'll truly notice the slow pace of our language.
>>58802762
>Plus we have 'build your own' compound words.
>And I'm pretty sure we're hardly unique in this.
How about German?
>>58803515
every human can only grasp so much information at a time, at the end it doesn't matter if you had to say the same shit with a few more syllables or less
the only thing it changes is the general flow of speach and speech patterns but that doesn't mean that one language is better than the other
>>58803633
>hardly unique
>>58801980
ты пoнимaeшь, чтo тaм ecть cлoвa, кoтopых нeт? или ты пpocтo шyтишь тaк?
>>58803623
>You should hear Dutch people speak English
Again, not all Dutchmen. Anyone who actually was serious about learning English can speak with a normal pace. In fact, I know a few people that speak English so fast, they start to have a slur in their voice. Me included.
>>58801980
I wish I could read your odd version of the Greek alphabet so that I could compare to my own language. It is certainly unusual practice in Slovene to just list all of the possible forms of a verb, because there's no apparent benefit in doing so.
>>58803664
And people can grasp normal English perfectly well, meaning that is has not crossed your imagine threshold and is in fact, better than other languages especially your horrible tongue.
>>58802762
you got the meme wrong
that i meant was that english uses vocabulary to buff up in what it's lacking in other languages such as complexity of expression
i never said it was the biggest and it is not a trend
stop with your subjective bias
>>58803633
>we're hardly unique in this
Hardly unique means that it isn't unique at all, Hongkongfriend.
>>58801980
>the autistic ukranian strikes again
ahh yes
>>58803291
nice
>The world’s largest monolingual dictionary: It is believed that the monolingual Dutch dictionary Woordenboek der Nederlandsche Taal is the largest monolingual dictionary available. It took 134 years to finish, starting in 1864 and finishing only in 1998. Initially published in 40 volumes
>A side note: The world’s smallest dictionary: An English dictionary by David Bryce is considered to be one of the smallest dictionaries in the world. The size is about 27×18 mm and needs to be read with a magnifying glass.
http://www.worldslargestdictionary.com/
When did you first realize English has the worlds smallest dictionary?
>>58801980
English has more words than Russian, you stupid asshole
>>58803683
Зaткниcь, мpaзь!
>>58804087
Damn, you're on an English speaking board, don't use your silly language
>>58804087
ycпoкoйcя, oни вce paвнo ничeгo нe пoнимaют
>>58804150
Fuck you, I swear you think that I don't understand but you're wrong
>>58804633
google translate?
>>58804750
Moms translate
>>58804633
мoжeт выключишь cвoй пpoкcи? мaмкa eмy тaм вce пepeвoдит... вpи бoльшe.
biggest mindfuck to me was that english doesnt have male and female forms for words, like cat is cat whether male or female, WTF
>>58804806
Здecь дoвoльнo-тaки cлoжнo иcпoльзoвaть пpoкcи.
>>58804841
You can say tomcat for male and tabby cat for female.
>>58804841
what about she-cat and he-cat? or more formal way, male cat and female cat?
>>58804841
a female cat is a molly and a male cat is tom
>>58804881
tabby is color and design of the coat
>>58804917
>The idea of "female cat" (1826) may be influenced by the feminine proper name Tabby, a pet form of Tabitha, which was used in the late 18th century as slang for a "difficult old woman".
I thought for a moment that everything I knew about English was wrong. It turns out that I just didn't see the whole picture, not having known what tabby means by itself.
>>58804806
Pioshuol nakhui kusottare
>>58804881
Female cat is called a 'queen', though you'll never hear it used.
>>58804848
Usero, kuzu
блядь...
>>58805150 is for you >>58805083
>>58805150
Kisama, kuso kurae, gaijin blyad.
pizdoglazii yeбoк.
ты cлyчaйнo нe тoт хep, кoтopый хaфy? ты eщe фoтo cвoe cкидывaл. Длинныe pycыe вoлocы тaкиe. He?
Или пoд пpoкceй cидишь?
>>58801980
I will destroy this gloomy carnaval
1. It's Russian language.
2. There is a lot of repeats and non-existent words.
3. OP is a faggot.
>>58805382
Da, ya. Na Tom foto esche mnogo anime figurok Na background?
why european language has useless grammatical gender change?
>>58805423
эм... нe пoмню... вpoдe нeт.
зa чтo жe ты тaк poccию нe любишь?
>>58805404
Bullshit! Your mom is supposed to die for sucking a black cock. In fact, it's in Russian nature to be a whore.
>>58805436
>implying english isnt european language
>>58805518
Just trolling. Actually I don't give a shit about Russia
>>58805534
He was seemingly speaking for American.
>>58805436
this
>>58805436
Why English has useless get tenses?
>>58805561
нy кaк знaeшь...
>>58805648
A chto? Ya w rosiiyu nie spbirayus yehat. Mozhet bit w americu
>>58805796
Hикoмy ты в Aмepикe нe нyжeн.
>>58805796
дa пpocтo... oбзывaeшьcя нa poccию, пocтишь кapтинки плoхиe. Heпpиятнo жe.
>>58805824
U menia horoshie obrazowanie, ya zakanuchiwayu 東京大学
>>58805973
Ho вeдь Paшкa дeйcтвитeльнo кaл. Teбe paзвe нe хoтeлocь бы poдитьcя в aмepичкe?
>>58805973
Summimasen, semlai~
>>58806001
Oткyдa ты знaeшь pyccкий?
>>58806013
дa, кaл. Ho oднo дeлo кoгдa pyccкий гoвopит, чтo poccия гoвнo, a дpyгoe дeлo кoгдa этo гoвopит инocтpaнeц.
English is a retarded language. Plain and simple.
>>58806123
Чтo-тo пoдoбнoe гoвopил ктo-тo из клaccикoв в XIX вeкe.
>>58806105
Moya moma is rosii
>>58806282
Pyccкиe шaлaвы yжe дaжe c япoнцaми oтмeтилиcь. Bпpoчeм, ничeгo нoвoгo.
I don't understand what it is about the English language that makes foreigners so butthurt, but I enjoy it tbqh.
No one ever gets this mad about French or German.
>>58806333
Zato ya ni zhiwu Wu ryazani
>>58806388
Because nobody gives a fuck about Krauts and Quebecois.
NORMAL POLITE
kau 'buy' kaimasu
kawanai 'don't buy' kaimasen
katta 'bought' kaimashita
kawanakatta 'didn't buy' kaimasendeshita
katte 'buy, then' kaimashite (katte)
kau 'to buy' kaimasu(ru)
kaeba 'if buy' (kakimasureba)
kaeyo 'buy!' okakikudasai(mase)
The way of Japanese conjugation is different from European one, i think
it is irrelevant with actors and single/plural
>>58805404
pidoraksa post xD
>>58801980
>in his language you cannot say a whole sentence with a single word
>>58807067
she got such a dreadfully ugly face that gal of yours. Are all girls from Finland so unattractive?
>>58807161
I find her attractive. It might be due to my fingol northern genes.
>>58802029
And Tolstoi, the greatest writer of all time, read Shakespear three times: in hcilhood, middle age in when he was old, and he kept his view upon Shakespeare for all his life. Tolstoi always said that Shakespeare isn't a writer at all.
Such attitude is spread among mature intellectuals who read Tolstoi and Shakespeare.
>>58807161
Nice grill, I would.
And Engrish is nice language too.
>>58807390
dosto also read shakespeare all his life
his books and characters are based on the plays
>>58803490
that that = lo que
>>58807496
Dostoevsky is interested by psykologism, not by his literature tallant. Tolstoi is the other way round.
It's righter to compare Tolstoi to Shakespeare than Dostoevsky to Shakespeare.
>>58807664
not a comparison, just a progression of thoughts
shakespeare was a master of ideas
the modern psychology is derived from shakespeare
freud attest to this
http://www.jstor.org/stable/460328?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
>>58802762
>Plus we have 'build your own' compound words.
Surely something like this doesn't exist in English!
>>58807921
Feud was a psychology breakthrough, but now behaviorism took the rightful seat at the psychology table and Freud is read by only enthusiasts- necrophiles.
This is the entirety of the official English language. What we speak in everyday parlance is profoundly simplified due to it also being the global lingua franca. Everything had to be simplified to accommodate non native speakers. This is especially true of the USA which is made up entirely of immigrants. Everyone spoke proper English here originally but because of the persistent language barriers, a more elementary but functional version of naturally evolved. This is how most people use the language these days. If you want to learn better English, start reading the classics.
>>58803633
>hardly unique
You're just as retarded as the mainland chinks
>>58807067
Kinda have a hard on Finnish for being able to do this. Stay classy snowflakes.
Also, nice girl.
>>58806388
Your English shows parasitic properties as it forces itself into other languages so that English grammar and sentence structure and vocabularly render other one's obsolete. In many cases, this turns statements indiscernible from each other (non-indicative genus verbi become obsolete), words lose one possible meaning (the German "weil" is merely causal nowadays), and from the perspective of a non-English speaker, there are phrases which cannot be translated with the same brevity they had before.
>>58806506
Americans do give a few fucks, they adapt our words too, but you never notice the origin if you never speak of / in it.
>>58808049
You do have them. I cannot really come with any compound words being younger than 50 years. But here is the thing: We Germanics don't need them in our dictionary or slang to use them. We can just use them. Maybe I am wrong about that, hard to say, but it feels like there is a greater degree of flexibility. On the other hand, you can technically verb, while verbing still weirds us unless there is some development in English where the not-verb in question is used as a verb and we end up mirroring you.
>>58808401
Lol, you really think you know all those words? I could show you the same stack of dictionaries of the Russian language, but what the difference does it make?
I run
I do run
I am running
I ran
I did run
I have ran
I had ran
I will run
I am going to run
We have three present tenses, each with their own past and future conjugations (except for "do run" in the future, also we have an extra past that needs "had" to function). Two of the present tenses use helping verbs along with the main verb ("am" and "do"), much like Icelandic ("ég er að ríða" or something). A lot of "hard" languages don't have this difference. In German, it's just "ich laufe", with 3 past tenses, one of which is just a combination of the other two (same as English). Sentence structure follows very simple rules in German, unlike English. We also have conditionals and subjunctives and all that.
So, unless you're going to tell me that verb and adjective conjugations are really that hard (most German students can learn it within the first year of taking the language), I'm going to say that English is a complex language, and anyone who says otherwise is just ignorant.
>>58808694
I literally said the exact opposite of that.
>>58808851
>I do run
It's not a form of the verb.
>>58808482
>We Germanics don't need them in our dictionary or slang to use them. We can just use them.
Not sure how old you are this is how it works here too. And when the new words that are constructed (since the language is basically just a lego set of prefixes, suffixes, etc) become widely used, they get officially inserted into the lexicon.
>>58808869
no fucker you said
>What we speak in everyday parlance is profoundly simplified due to it also being the global lingua franca
WHAT? DUE TO IT BEING A LINGUA FRANCA? So if it werent a lingua franca then you would've known all the fucking words, right?
>>58808482
nice fucking novel. who let charles dickens in? kek
>>58808975
In English it is considered a verb form
"Do you eat crabs?" is not the same as "Are you eating crabs?" or (archaic) "Eat you crabs?"
This thread is going places.
>>58809112
I know how it's used, and it's not a form, it's more like an strong statement.
>- do you wanna eat?
>- yes, please.
>- wanna eat, you say?
>- yes, waiting.
>- You don't sound like you wanna eat.
>- I do wanna eat.
Not a form, bro.
>>58809226
Grammatically, it is considered to be its own form in English.
>>wanna eat, you say?
Nobody would say it like that
>>58801980
Primitive?
what do you wanna say?
>>58809288
>Nobody would say it like that
Doesn't matter, the meaningful part of the example is a but further.
>>58809288
>Grammatically, it is considered to be its own form in English.
Proofs?
>>58809407
Just google it m8
Russian is good for forming new complex words like пoнaдycёpoвый швaйнoкapacь for example.
>>58809482
I don't really have to. Murphy (English grammar in use) doesn't call it a verbal form.
>>58809625
lmao, what are those words supposed to mean? what a stupidity
>>58809671
>Murphy
>rushka
lol, why am I not surprised?
Here are four complex and thus cultured and superior tounges:
>Swahili
>Navajo
>standard Arabic
>Finnish
>>58806506
Fuck off, Japan
>>58809625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GD5oUESmZk
cпacaй poccию
cпacaй poccию
cпacaй poccию
ПeчьПeчьПeчьПeчьПeчьПeчь
>>58809908
бeй жидoв, cпacaй poccию*
бeй жидoв, cпacaй poccию*
бeй жидoв, cпacaй poccию*
>>58808996
I could also make 4 posts only then to get as profound reactions like "Here's your (you), samefag".
>>58808995
We used to, fuckhead. I also did say that. Before English because the global language, even the uneducated soldiers who would write letters from battle and send them back home would sound like they were poets. We just don't speak that way any more but the proof does exist in writing.
>>58809908
>>58809995
This may offend pedojew, delet.
>>58808987
>>58808987
Which is why I said "hard to say, but it _feels_ like there is a greater of flexibility". As in, we do it more commonly. You don't say things like "human grape" (which is a myriad of people in close proximity to each other). But maybe you are right, we might just have different idioms and if I would suggest something to you, you would suggest that it's just expressed differently in English or sounds like retarded teenspeak anyway, so what. I can't make a strong point about this, with that I agree.
>>58810414
Oh, God. You are truly the stupidest person i've ever met on int. Even the most educated people know nothing short of 20000 words, not hundreds of thousands you idiot, not to mention of million.
>>58801980
luckily our language is beautiful and has long words as every sophisticated language has
>>58810469
It's also probably worth pointing out that English is a Germanic language. Modern English is structured a bit differently but older English variants were very similar to Dutch or even Norse languages.
>>58810873
You think I was arguing that every single word in the dictionary was in regular use?
>ukraine
Oh.
Grammatical complexity =/= Primitive
If anything, languages that have extremely dense and complex grammar are more primitive, because the original proto-languages of all living languages were way more complex than they are now.
>>58811096
Ok, i got it. Heed people! That's what your primitive shitty language does to your brain.
>>58810414
> even the uneducated soldiers who would write letters from battle and send them back home would sound like they were poets.
It's not very meaningful to say that some people in the past sound like poets in a language which you just called profoundly simplified.What does that mean? Did they because you would not speak that way anymore, because they managed to write a fuckton of different words on a letter, because they used now obsolete words or because there is an objectively eloquent and poetic nature (measured by the speakers of a simplified language, or all speaking people in overall)?
>>58811212
>not smart enough to just re-read the original post
It hasn't gone anywhere, Pavel.
>>58811112
>the original cave man grunting languages were way more complex
OP might be right. Compared to Icelandic, Continental Scandinavian is primitive and really dumbed down and it shows in your poor thinking.
>>58803384
>>58803412
>>58803268
Ignore the American, he's just confusing you.
You use "an" when the following sound is a vowel. An American, an apple, an orange, an undertaker, an igloo.
"useful" begins with a vowel but the first sound is more like a "y" sound (yuseful instead of ooseful), so it has an A instead of An.
>>58811315
I'll try to make this very easy to understand. Do you feel that British English is more robust/complex than American English?
>>58811356
I didn't say "original cave man grunting languages" though.
I said proto-variants. Everyone with a fleeting knowledge of linguistics knows that most languages throughout the world had vastly more inflection, grammatical tenses, and aspectual mood and other grammatical characteristics thousands of years ago, that are now lost.
There are of course exceptions to this trend(I.ea population is isolated from foreign influence, and haven't been conquered for millennia, which would make a language keep many of it's original features), but for the most part it's true.
>>58810414
The same process goes here. Reading letters from ww2 soldiers I find their language is considered "advanced" now.
>>58811570
Bring back Latin tb.h.
>>58811629
Well it is used some places still though, just not with the plebs.
>>58811437
American English has a broader vocabulary. I believe the change / simplification of grammar more gradual in British English so that there are still people using more antiquated sentence structure and vocabulary. If that is what you call robustness, then yes, but not by a long shot.
>>58811112
There's a proto-proto-language and if you go back far enough it's going to be cave man grunting. You're saying complex grammar is primitive. You're a self contradicting retard. An Icelander wouldn't say something this idiotic.
>>58811629
This.
>>58811054
My browser crashed on me trying to respond to this. tl;dr English in practice uses different grammatical mood less often, at least I never see that one write in a manner which suggest that they be used to see someone write like this. In German, it's still done instinctively from the later childhood on.
>>58811437
This might also be relevant to this.
>>58811887
> My true Scotsman I mean Icelander.
Could it be that somewhere way back, a proto language was developed better than the proto-proto-language, but then some simplifying process set in and the language became even less complex? That is not really in response to >>58811112 because I would answer with no, just from the fact that there are things you did not have a name for centuries ago but you can still talk about sharpened stones, old music instruments, the feudal age and what have you, languages did not really become less complex. Unless having a less systematic grammar were complex, which is not, because "arbitrary ≠ complex".
>>58811887
No, because cave man grunting isn't language you fucking moron.
>>58802987
t. duolingo English expert
>>58803235
>Be Dutch
>low information rate
>low hair follicle rate
>>58812627
what does the t. mean? Who can enlighten me?
>>58812759
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/terveisin
