What do Americans dislike about their country?
>>58768098
>ineffectual government
>lack of enthusiasm for public transit to ease traffic in certain cities
>evaporating middle class
>wages not going up
>college too expensive
>too many immigrants
>architecture is the worst
>too much diversity, causing tension between and amongst groups
>>58768098
>niggers
>government-mandated ethanol gas (fucking stupid idea)
>US basically hands out welfare to every other nation on the planet and spends most of its money on policing shitholes in Asia and the Middle East
>Too much traffic
The fact that this man has no chance of being president while Trump and Hillary lie and buy their way to the top and will most definitely win the primaries.
>>58768216
>>too many immigrants
There's only one real thing I legitimately hate about this place and it's the fact that the "the American bubble" is a very real thing and it's a very negative thing. Ignorance is bred, seemingly on purpose, and most people (at least in my region) are very uncouth and of dulled wits. Television here will aggressively make you stupid so even that's not worth watching any more. It's a major, major negative of living here but it's the only one I actually have so I suppose it balances out.
I don't dislike Donald Trump, but I dislike the 100 million morons who masturbate to his every retarded, unsubstantiated words.
How politicians that campaign on reasonable policies and can discuss the pros and cons of their proposals and the alternatives never get elected, while reality TV stars are the most popular candidates. Fuck this, "we'll have a ten percent flat tax rate and increase military spending and your social security will be just fine :DDD" bullshit. So far all of our candidates either way to cut tax revenue way more than cutting spending (Trump and Cruz), or keep the status quo (Hillary), or increase spending and taxes on shit most people don't want (Bernie). All of them pander to the lowest common denominator of their respective groups.
Oh, and that non medical circumcision is still for minors that can't consent. And all the subsidies for agriculture that make unhealthy foods cheaper, combined with companies lobbying to have junk food covered by food stamps.
>>58772680
manlets, when will they learn
>>58773612
THIS
putting faith in any politician is degenerate.
If you can't see that you are the only one that truly dictates your own life, than kys
>>58768098
lots of stuff. Too many things to list tb h
>nation of immigrants melting pot bullshit drilled into our heads from birth, yes, we were made great by immigration but we're not a young nation that needs it anymore and we should focus on becoming a bona fide ethnicity and developing our culture instead
>our constant rejection and disrespect for regional and state identity
>our fucking shitty school system
>our geographic illiteracy and isolation from other countries
>too many commercials on TV
>fat people, seriously I hope their stupid fucking obesity scooters malfunction and hurl them all off cliffs for being such a fucking embarassment to our country
Willful, dogmatic and deliberate ignorance with real consequences. The climate change debate is over. The evolution debate is over. The vaccine debate is over. Yet we still have people who insist that their dogma is just as valid as science because they have a right to believe any old horseshit that falls off the truck. We don't marginalize them like we should, and some politicians outright pander to them for votes.
And the Dutch. Buncha tulip mongrels. Half the damn phonebook in Pella, Iowa is Van-Something.
empire
Hopefully our Empire will fall like Britains, not like... pretty much every other one in history.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/trump-on-barrel-rolling-russian-plane-at-a-certain-pointyou?utm_term=.dhb5BErBR0#.edKgvKZvje
explain it
>>58775000
waterjew genes go far
>Highest prison population per capita
>Highest obesity rate in the developed world
>Shitty architecture and houses knocked down by mild winds
>Only 19% understand evolution
>25% think a a Jewish god decides sports, 25% think Obama is the "Antichrist", 40% think Jesus will return by 2050
>Death penalty despite numerous exonerated posthumous cases
>The highest wealth and pay inequality in the developed world
>Growing pay gap and stagnant worker wages
>Puritan censorship of sex and even slight nudity in free media
>50%+ Genital mutilation rate of boys
>0 Mandated vacation days, 0 Mandated maternity leave days, 0 Mandated sick days
>Highest rate of Depression-related medical problems
>People still die without healthcare and even go bankrupt from being swindled by for-profit medical staff
>PISA and other scores below almost all of Europe and developed nation, yet spends more on education that almost every nation
>Consume the highest amount of sugars per day on earth - which isn't even real sugar but chemical HFCS sweetener
>There is more mortgage debt, student loan debt and credit card debt in the US than anywhere else
>The US has one of the most fuel-inefficient car economies on earth and wastes the most time in traffic
>High divorce rate (lel morals)
>Monolingual and considered worst Anglo accent(s) along with Canada
>Utterly trashed reputation due to endlessly negative foreign policy
>Over-budgeted military world renown for wargame embarrassments and friendly fire incidents
>Some of the highest crime in the developed world, highest car-theft, crime rate even without minorities almost double Europe's.
>High child poverty, highest infant mortality
>"Land of opportunity" has less class mobility than most of the west
>63% could not find Iraq on a map (despite being at war with them), and 54% did not know Sudan was a country in Africa
>Two party system with skewed voting representation per state
>One of the most consumerist nations, advertisements clog TV
>>58768098
>traffic
>the south
>trump
>>58775419
110% /pol/ tier garbage.
>>58775525
>/pol/ tier garbage
What is that even supposed to mean?
Foreigners.
This includes you, Ahmed.
>>58775525
>/pol/ tier
You don't go to /pol/ much, do you?
>>58775576
Fuck off you absolute joke of an asshat
Good to see you already left America for the shithole that is Italy btw
>>58768098
>prison-industrial complex
>niggers
>cities are built for cars, not for humans
>>58775419
this is exactly why I dread meeting other American expats here. It always devolves into mindless Bernie-tier America bashing because apparently it's not possible for Americans to live in other countries for non-political reasons.
>>58775688
Why are Americans always so assblasted about criticsm on their country? Most of the shit he listed is at least partially true, too... What gives?
>>58772969
kek
>>58775688
Good reply!
>>58775724
>Not bashing everything and everybody when you discuss politics
Fucking Anglos mang..
>>58775757
Of course some of the things he mentioned are true, but the rest comes across very much like the stereotypical fedora crap that rich liberals that go to live in Europe spout because they think it endears them to the locals.
>>58775757
>>58775764
Literally shit the fuck up you Arab pieces of shit
Half of what he said is fake as fuck and the other half are good things if anything
The dying middle-class.
>>58775874
So does that no longer make them valid issues for someone to have over their country?
By the way point out these "stereotypical fedora crap" things I listed would you, please, I'm fascinated.
>>58775000
This, I fucking hate Dutch people, and anyone with a Dutch last name is a douchebag
>>58775907
>Half of what he said is fake as fuck
Such as?
> and the other half are good things if anything
Example?
And try to keep your panties on, Johnny...
Oh boy here we go
>wages have stagnated for decades
>enormous wealth inequality
>65% white and declining
>healthcare is a joke
>work some of the longest hours among developed countries
>no mandated paid time off (private companies give some but no much avg is 10-16 days/yr)
>sjw ground zero
>hicks and Bible thumpers
>run by lobbies
>workers rights have been smashed
>no culture aside from a little bit on the east coast
>lots of fatasses
>massive materialism that is only slowing down because people continue to make less
>very minimal public transit in most places
>no real choice in politics
>tax dollars go to corperate welfare
>>58775000
>Yet we still have people who insist that their dogma is just as valid as science because they have a right to believe any old horseshit that falls off the truck.
That is more or less the core idea the US was founded on tbqh though...
>And the Dutch. Buncha tulip mongrels. Half the damn phonebook in Pella, Iowa is Van-Something.
Ehehehe
t. van der Something
>>58775257
>buzzfeed
Yeah that "article" is biased bullshit
>>58775959
>"The highest wealth and pay inequality in the developed world"
>getting buttflustered about people believing in god
>getting buttflustered that we don't have some inefficient garbage socialist healthcare system
>getting buttflustered that people don't devote precious time to learning foreign languages that they'll never use
>" crime rate even without minorities almost double Europe's" which isn't even fucking true
>garbage about wealth gaps
>implying a high prison population in a country with high crime levels isn't a good thing
>The "success" of our education system, especially with Common Core
>Lack of focus on our infrastructure
>Increasing polarization in the House (and bicameral system in general)
>Extreme SJWs and growing SJW society
>Lack of neighborly feeling
I've never had the opportunity to experience another country in a way that would allow me to explore these issues elsewhere, so I'm not saying these issues are the absolute worst and only bad here
>>58776247
>>"The highest wealth and pay inequality in the developed world"
Isn't that true though?
>>getting buttflustered about people believing in god
It is the current year, family...
>>getting buttflustered that we don't have some inefficient garbage socialist healthcare system
Mandatory insurance with guaranteed coverage would be a start.. No need to go all NHS.
>>getting buttflustered that people don't devote precious time to learning foreign languages that they'll never use
Little Spanish couldn't hurt m8..
>>" crime rate even without minorities almost double Europe's" which isn't even fucking true
Why would you ever take a stat like crime rate, or perhaps especially that one, and remove minorities from it? Also you had 3x our homicide rate last I checked..
>>garbage about wealth gaps
You do have some hideously poor people around though.
>>implying a high prison population in a country with high crime levels isn't a good thing
It's an indication that you're doing something wrong, clearly.
>>58768098
>getting fucked by CHYNAH, though that's coming to an end as their demography collapses. Soon we'll be out competed by fucking Mexico
>we can't decide on whether we want public healthcare or free market healthcare and prices get fucked as a result
>same thing for colleges
>welfare means that niggers will never improve because they don't have to
>800 billion dollar stimulus package was passed and it was pissed away on paying the unions instead of fixing the infrastructure
>shitty public schooling
>not knowing what to do with the Mexicans
>not knowing what to do with the inner city
>obesity, though I'm a fat fuck so I can't say much
>the War on Drugs is a failure
>the War on Terror is a failure
>we get triggered to easily and it makes us look bad to the Europoors
>the gubmint keeps getting involved in shit and fucking it up
>monolingual and proud of it
>this America hating commie nigger in the White House
>>58776247
>"The highest wealth and pay inequality in the developed world"
What's fedora crap about this? This is maybe the most serious issue the US is facing now.
>getting buttflustered about people believing in god
You clearly still don't understand just how absurd many Americans can get over their religions.
>getting buttflustered that we don't have some inefficient garbage socialist healthcare system
Hahahahahaha. Grass is always greener on the other side I guess, the sad fact is that healthcare prices in the US are retardedly high even for healthcare that can be just as shit as "garbage socialist healthcare systems" get in Europe.
>getting buttflustered that people don't devote precious time to learning foreign languages that they'll never use
That's bullshit, knowing more than more than one language can always be usefull, even if it's just the basics. Knowing Spanish can be incredibly useful in the US.
>" crime rate even without minorities almost double Europe's" which isn't even fucking true
Yeah it is. Prove me wrong.
>garbage about wealth gaps
As I said before, it's anything but garbage.
>implying a high prison population in a country with high crime levels isn't a good thing
If crime levels weren't so high then prison populations wouldn't be so full. The prisoners in America account for a massive expense of American tax money.
I hate the Lithuanians, Mexicans, and Dutch
>>58776442
>Isn't that true though?
it is but it has literally no effect on most people's lives if CEOs are paid a lot, it's just something mini-Che's pull out in arguments because it makes it sound like evil capitalists wearing top hats are going to come and take all your shit away.
>Mandatory insurance with guaranteed coverage would be a start.. No need to go all NHS.
Certainly. Americans here tend to worship the healthcare systems of Europe without actually knowing anything about their drawbacks and the problems they have though.
>Little Spanish couldn't hurt m8..
Learning a foreign language is good but it's utterly pretentious to judge people for not, especially when they live in a country where there is a very small chance it will ever be needed.
>Why would you ever take a stat like crime rate, or perhaps especially that one, and remove minorities from it?
Because it shows what is causing crime problems.
>It's an indication that you're doing something wrong, clearly.
It means we're catching our criminals.
liberals
>>58776695
>You clearly still don't understand just how absurd many Americans can get over their religions.
You clearly don't understand that it's overstated by the people on r/atheism because they're ass ravaged that they had to go to church when they were children
>>58776695
>This is maybe the most serious issue the US is facing now.
Absolutely laughable.
>You clearly still don't understand just how absurd many Americans can get over their religions.
It's a non-issue.
>the sad fact is that healthcare prices in the US are retardedly high even for healthcare
get insured then.
>Knowing Spanish can be incredibly useful in the US.
I'm not interested in making life easier for annoying, entitled minorities that are having issues with the fact that they are supposed to integrate.
>Prove me wrong.
White states in New England have crime levels comparable to Old England.
>If crime levels weren't so high then prison populations wouldn't be so full. The prisoners in America account for a massive expense of American tax money.
Fair enough.
1/2
>>58777011
2/2
>>58776781
>it makes it sound like evil capitalists wearing top hats are going to come and take all your shit away
Isn't that more or less the same fear many Americans have about 'socialists' coming to take their shit away though?
>Americans here tend to worship the healthcare systems of Europe without actually knowing anything about their drawbacks and the problems they have though.
Some say ours is better than yours though, and I think I agree. I remember seeing this a while ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHeZJS4K6J0
'Free' healthcare is a meme though, don't get me wrong.
>especially when they live in a country where there is a very small chance it will ever be needed.
The hilarious part is that some Americans actually seen to anticipate never ever leaving the country. Which seems weird to many of us in itself...
>It means we're catching our criminals.
It also means they're apparantly repeat offending, or your population disproportionatly turn to crime. That would be a problem, not even to mention to amounts of money the it costs to run the penitentiaries, the courts, law enforcement etc etc..
>>58772969
Well the native americans nor the first settlers were really immigrants, immigration is migrating from one nation to another, and there was no actual country when either got there.
Nice meme though, 9/11 for cleverness.
1. We're too large and diverse. Not that diversity is bad, but because of the vast amounts of geographic and demographic variety we cover, it's nearly impossible to create any semblance of unity.
2. War on drugs. I can understand to some degree things like Meth and Heroin, but honestly if someone wants to partake in something that only harms their own body, why the fuck should we protect their retarded ass and have them continue to perpetuate drug violence and take up more space and taxpayer money in the prison system.
3. Ignorance. I'm not sure what did it, but there's no desire to learn or care for anything outside people's own individual lives. This is something I could see having been a constant thing though, people are often selfish no matter what time period you're in.
4. Obesity bothers me, but again people have the right to eat whatever they want. What would bother me is if my tax money is going to have to end up going for Robbie McLardass's fifth quadruple bypass.
5. The amount of fuckery we engage in internationally, especially the middle east. Civil wars especially should be left to the country itself to figure out. At this point we can't really easily or quickly scale down military without the rest of Europe/NATO being left with their asses hanging out, but it would be nice to see less emphasis on defense companies profiting off of corrupt political influence (looking at you, L-M)
>>58775419
Blow it out your ass
>>58777001
>Absolutely laughable.
Fantastic counter argument.
>It's a non-issue.
If you say so!
>get insured then.
Damn, I never knew it was so simple!
>I'm not interested in making life easier for annoying, entitled minorities that are having issues with the fact that they are supposed to integrate.
Oh of course, I should have just wished that they'd integrate and that Mexico wasn't our neighbour. That would have just made all the Mexicans dissapear!
>White states in New England have crime levels comparable to Old England.
Wow, guess you're right, before I just thought that was was because of the economic prosperity and social stability of the region, but no it's because they're white of course! Look at rednecks, many of which live in poverty and they're all such upstanding members of society!
Well you sure told me. I should never have left.
>>58777155
>The hilarious part is that some Americans actually seen to anticipate never ever leaving the country. Which seems weird to many of us in itself...
Most don't. I came here for uni because I like the way it's set up here better than in America and because I lived in Europe for much of my childhood anyway, but most Americans don't have the means to travel to Europe.
Also, I've been to your country many times, and even if I tried to learn Dutch I wouldn't be able to use it anyway because everybody would just switch to English, you're basically native speakers. It's like that pretty much everywhere in Western Europe, although I do speak German at an elementary level because I lived in Austria.
Honestly why is it that every single Italian I see on here seems to shit on the US more than any other nationality?
>>58777332
You moved from Oregon to Italy? But Oregon seems like a nice state.
>>58777155
>>it makes it sound like evil capitalists wearing top hats are going to come and take all your shit away
>Isn't that more or less the same fear many Americans have about 'socialists' coming to take their shit away though?
CEOs are paid from the profits of their companies. Those profits are generated from the voluntary exchange between myself and the company
Socialist bureaucrats get their money from taxes taken from me at gunpoint
These two are not the same thing
>>58777384
>Also, I've been to your country many times, and even if I tried to learn Dutch I wouldn't be able to use it anyway because everybody would just switch to English,
Many would, and I don't particularly recommend learning our language to anyone that doesn't plan on actually living here. Then you need to, or you'll never intergrate like some 73 year old Fatima that still doesn't speak Dutch..
>you're basically native speakers.
Ehehehe.. Some of us. Many don't really make it past a rudimentary understanding English..
>German
That's a pretty useful language though, I'd recommend that over Dutch.
>>58777389
It just seems that way.
>pic related
>(you)
>>58776114
>That is more or less the core idea the US was founded on tbqh though...
Yeah, but it isn't a suicide pact. All the sacrifice and diligence that some people exercise in being green and carbon neutral is pissed away by one fucknugget coal-roller who exercises his right to be an asshole. We're all going to suffer because a few shitheels believe the energy lobby propaganda and in their god-given right to despoil the one place in the known universe that, so far, isn't completely inhospitable to us.
>>58777538
>CEOs are paid from the profits of their companies. Those profits are generated from the voluntary exchange between myself and the company
>Socialist bureaucrats get their money from taxes taken from me at gunpoint
Didn't the US see government bailouts in the banking and automotive sector during the crisis? Isn't that basically the socialism you speak of?
>These two are not the same thing
What exactly does socialism look like in an American or European sense, if I may ask?
>>58768098
I dont live in the USA anymore but I was born there.
Anyway,
>Healthcare and college is shit
>Too much diversity and racial tension
>No middle class
>Corrupt and imposing federal government
>Some people are stupid as fuck
>No required employment benefits like parental leave or vacation
>Shitty politicians
>Democrats and Republicans
>Rising political correctness
>1913, 1963 and 2001-2002
>Too much gas, need more electric cars
>Death penalty
>Too many stressed and materialistic people
>Religion
>Bad foreign policy
>Inefficient military
>Welfare, both corporate and personal/social
>Legalize fucking drugs, fuck the war
>>58777332
>Oh of course, I should have just wished that they'd integrate and that Mexico wasn't our neighbour. That would have just made all the Mexicans dissapear!
Literally what are you talking about, I'm not going to spend time learning a language to be able to communicate with a bunch of dumb beaners who can't properly function in society. Nobody learned Polish to try and coddle my great-grandfather, so fuck off.
>Look at rednecks
"Rednecks" don't commit crime, they're just working class white people that the idiot media and liberals try to scapegoat for everything so they can keep deluding themselves that crime correlates with income stronger than it does with race. They literally are usually upstanding, nice people.
>>58777606
You sound like a goddamn hippie, anon.. I'm all for bicycles and cleaner fuel, but no need to get all faggoty about it m80
>>58777667
>they're just working class white people that the idiot media and liberals try to scapegoat for everything so they can keep deluding themselves that crime correlates with income stronger than it does with race. They literally are usually upstanding, nice people.
>Dindu nuffin
>Just need mo money for dey programs
Too easy.
>>58777606
I guarantee this faggot drives a prius
>>58777704
Not him but you wouldn't say that if you knew the kind of rhetoric that gets spewed here. If we had a fraction of the public infrastructure you take for granted it would be god send.
>>58777704
>sound like a goddamn hippie
This isn't about doing something that makes you feel like you're contributing, even if you aren't. This is about the assholes who take theirs off the top, and if you sacrifice they take your cut too because you obviously are too pussy to use it up.
It doesn't have to be the environmental argument, either; I can be just as pissed about anti-vaxxers if you want to rehash that shit.
> I'm all for bicycles
No shit. What's your position on windmills and wooden shoes?
>>58772680
This. J U S T
>m-m-muh environment
>buys a shitty electric chink car made in asia that was shipped to USA on a freighter that emitted more greenhouse gases in transportation than buying a gas-guzzling made in america car would over its lifetime
>>58777633
>Didn't the US see government bailouts in the banking and automotive sector during the crisis? Isn't that basically the socialism you speak of?
Yes they did and yes it is in a broad sense
>What exactly does socialism look like in an American
People taking my shit without asking. I'd rather have a CEO make 60 million a year because he convinced a large number of people to buy from his company than have a bureaucrat take money from everyone and redistribute the money to himself, Tyrone, and Jorje
>>58772680
rand paul is a manlet that wanted amnesty
fuck him
The price of healthcare
The war on drugs
The level of gun violence
>>58777633
>Didn't the US see government bailouts in the banking and automotive sector during the crisis? Isn't that basically the socialism you speak of?
they had to pay that money back you know, right?
>>58778062
idk about other brands but something like 70% of Toyotas bought in the the US are made in North America.
>>58777606
>believing in the global warming meme
>>58778187
pshhh americans don't know much about globalism even though it is invented by american jews
>>58778166
Except Bank of America used that bailout (that they didn't need or ask for) to buy Merrill Lynch (among others) so now when I go to my local branch to do simple banking, I have to endure some asshole in a suit trying to get me to move all my savings into the stock market and pay him for the favor of gambling my money. Fuck them twice on television.
>>58775419
Most of this is bullshit, some is true simply because the US doesn't have Denmark's demographics, and about 10% I agree with.
>>58778202
See what I fucking mean?
there's really only one sensible answer to this, every other answer is just treating the symptoms
>>58768098
Pretty much everything except 4chan.
Oh wait, it's not even American anymore..
>>58778347
he's right though
your day to day life has zero impact on the environment, USA isn't even the biggest greenhouse gas emitter anymore
the only things that will help the environment are:
more nuclear power
stricter trade regulations with china on environmental standards
absolutely nothing else will do anything about the environment
>>58778347
>scientists get grants for research to try to mitigate, control, or reverse global warming
>they only get grants so long as it's still a problem
>the scientists are the ones that collect, massage, and present the data that prove that global warming is still a problem
>there is absolutely no conflict of interests here
>>58775419
>50%+ Genital mutilation rate of boys
>The US has one of the most fuel-inefficient car economies on earth and wastes the most time in traffic
Is this the 1970s?
>>58778062
Nobody owns electric cars. Also, we don't want to pollute this beautiful country and become a smoggy shithole like China
>>58778395
>Pretty much everything
leave then you fucking pinko
>>58768098
Mostly the proud ignorance and sense of entitlement so many people have.
>>58778479
Conspiracies belong on /pol/.
>>58778590
>skepticism of something that would cost trillions when there is a conflict of interests present is not ok
>>58777893
>If we had a fraction of the public infrastructure you take for granted it would be god send.
We're basically forced to pay for it all through taxes, especially on things that pollute like big engines and big heavy cars.. But I guess we see the necessity of it more due to it being obscenely full in some parts of this country.
>>58777959
>I can be just as pissed about anti-vaxxers if you want to rehash that shit.
We have those too though. Mostly fundy Christians. They're hardly US-specific I think.. Though I agree with you that they're fucking insane.
>>58777959
>What's your position on windmills
The new power generating ones: Big and ugly. The old ones are swell though, and should be cherished. Bonus points for the people that unironically live in them (pic related).
>and wooden shoes?
Pretty dope. 8/10 at least... Haven't actually wore any since I was a wee lad though.
>>58778100
>than have a bureaucrat take money from everyone and redistribute the money to himself, Tyrone, and Jorje
You're still a democracy though right? Surely you can spend taxes at least somewhat wisely?
>>58778166
>they had to pay that money back you know, right?
At market-conform interest rates and deadlines?
>>58778771
>We have those too though. Mostly fundy Christians.
Do they have any political influence? Here they have enormous influence. Many of them literally speak in tongues which is where they think they are speaking a different or dead language. They're totally absurd.
>>58778771
>>The new power generating ones: Big and ugly.
this
fuck wind power
everyone is all for green energy until those windmills get put near their house and they realize how much noise they make and how ugly they are
can we just go 100% nuclear already
fucking greenpeace
>only country in the world along with New Zealand that allows prescription drug advertisements
>overly Puritan attitude towards sex and slight nudity in free media
>still have antiquated farm subsidies left over from the 1930s
>outsourced too many jobs in the 90s - this has caused cities like Detroit to become shit as any work those folk could be doing is done in Asia
>for profit health care system does have some flaws namely that way too much of its resources go to people over 65 instead of young, working age people
And that pretty much covers most of my grievances.
>>58778997
>Do they have any political influence? Here they have enormous influence
Did I fall asleep and wake up in 1985?
>>58779034
>>outsourced too many jobs in the 90s - this has caused cities like Detroit to become shit as any work those folk could be doing is done in Asia
it's because NAFTA and our trade agreements with china were a fucking disaster
I don't see NAFTA lasting another 5 years
>>58778532
I hope america collapses or gets invaded.
>>58778457
It would probably help if all 300 million of you saved a little bit on everything though.. Would probably help more than a little bit. While I agree that China is probably a much bigger problem than any other place, that's hardly a reason to just not do anything anymore..
>>58778997
>Do they have any political influence?
Some, especially regional. The SGP (most fundie-tier Christian party we have) has 1(one)/150 seats in parliament. A seat is worth about 60.000 votes.. In regional politics they have more in certain fundie areas, which is also where they don't vaccinate and marry their cousins... This is a Protestant country, and it still shows here and there.
>>58778479
wait you think they might be falsifying data and evidence for money? Even if the peer review has failed on such a massive scale, what will they do with that money? They can't put it in their pockets.
>>58778997
>>Do they have any political influence? Here they have enormous influence
they don't even have influence in the republican party anymore
the guy who is basically a non-christian is destroying the competition
>>58779034
And what about all the perfectly legitimate complaints in >>58775419
>>58778830
>Surely you can spend taxes at least somewhat wisely
You put far too much faith in the integrity of our politicians. The corporate lobbying influence is laughable compared to how much they're controlled by the unions. There was a 180 billion dollar(I think) package signed in California to build a high speed rail line that is more costly and inefficient than a plane ticket between Sacramento and Los Angeles for the express purpose of putting money into the pockets of the labor unions
>>58779012
>>fucking greenpeace
>be greenpeace
>claim you're fighting for the environment
>protest to stop the construction of nuclear reactors
>succeed
>60 years later, more coal power plants have been produced that spew out more radiation than 10 Chernobyls, not to mention the sulfur, mercury, and carbon dioxide pollution
>lol, saved the planet
Fuck greenpeace
>>58779165
Heck, people had no problem electing a Muslim president 2x so...
>>58779086
>I don't see NAFTA lasting another 5 years
NAFTA and CAFTA make up more than half of our imports and exports
>>58779169
There's about 10% legitimate complaints in there and 90% Reddit shit.
>>58779255
inb4 butthurt people claiming obama wasn't a muslim when he admitted to being a practicing muslim as a teenager in his book
>>58768216
this
>>58779323
how is that relevant even
>>58779012
>everyone is all for green energy until those windmills get put near their house and they realize how much noise they make and how ugly they are
It wouldn't bother me so much if I didn't know they were heavily subsidised and are not actually a self sustaining and durable solution in the practical sense... Not to mention they rely on back up fossil-fed power plants for when wind is down, which in the Netherlands means good old coal. Y-yay for the environment g-guys.. If they were actually worth a damn the North Sea would be lined with them already, much more than is currently the case. Currently they're just a means of gathering prestige and subsidies for Green-minded politicians and pressure groups (bonus points if the politicians husband has a bulding company specialising in windmills), which is also the reason they're not in logical places like the fucking sea, but in quaint little left-leaning municipalities scattered across the land..
Trump is right. If only we didn't outsource every job that Deshaun could be doing instead of robbing a liquor store. Idle hands are the devil's workshop.
>>58779162
>wait you think they might be falsifying data and evidence for money?
I posted that to mess with the assmad American earlier
>>58779260
shit argument
most of our 'exports' to mexico are simply things being exported there for assembly(of which these are jobs which were outsourced from USA) then brought back to US to be sold. This made up 61% of our entire Mexican exports in 2006.
We've lost over 700,000 jobs to Mexico due to NAFTA.
http://www.epi.org/publication/heading_south_u-s-mexico_trade_and_job_displacement_after_nafta1/
>>58779566
Out of all the neoliberal shit we've done NAFTA is probably the worst.
>>58779566
That doesn't mean it's going to disappear overnight
If we just abolish NAFTA/CAFTA that'll send labor costs sky high. We need to negotiate a new trade deal before we abolish it
>>58779487
That's not a problem with outsourcing, it's a problem with niggers. You could bring every last job stitching sneakers back from China tomorrow and Deshaun is still going to be robbing the corner 7-11 because he's a nigger.
The only way to get niggers to work is with slave chains and a whip and unfortunately we got rid of that in 1865.
>>58779323
Even if you believe Obama is a Christian, you'd still have to consider that the church he attended for 20 years was UCC which is a fake Marxist church. And of course where he listened to a minister fume against white people every Sunday.
>>58779566
>>58779657
And now we're going to be in TTIP together too lads.
>tfw the patriarchy does it again ;_;
>>58779777
>you'd still have to consider that the church he attended for 20 years was UCC which is a fake Marxist church
Don't many Americans attend weird churches of sorts? Isn't that kind of the point of America? The Republicans had a candidate running ffs..
>>58768098
General things.
Probably the only thing that ticks me off is that Americans always act as if the U.S. is uniquely good/bad. Almost every country has massive issues that need solving with poverty and the economy that Americans often don't bother to see or understand.
>>58779830
>Don't many Americans attend weird churches of sorts?
Jeremiah "Death to America" Wright wasn't your normal pastor
>>58779034
>overly Puritan attitude towards sex and slight nudity in free media
I suspect the reason for this is that we're not a homogenous society like Finland. Simply put, in order to be naked around other people, you need to be able to trust them and we don't quite have the same mutual trust here due to our lack of a homogenous society. American culture is also too individualistic compared to Scandinavia.
>>58779792
shh shh no tears now
only dreams
https://youtu.be/EOyma_8dFm0
>>58779908
For a UCC church he was pretty normal.
>>58779894
Simply put, the things Americans, and likewise foreigners, complain about that they think is unique to America are actually fairly common.
We have a disturbing amount of UCCs here in Pennsylvania. It seems like every other church around here is one of those things.
Well see
The Liberals dislike the Republicans and the Republicans dislike the Liberals.
>>58780011
Yes, Europe has problems as well. For example, almost anywhere in Europe you're a relatively short distance from a neighboring country that wants to genocide you in revenge for some war that happened 400 years ago.
>>58772969
Immigration =/= conquering
That's like saying that the Turks immigrated into the Byzantine Empire
>>58775419
Spot on fuck this country
>>58780137
why don't you leave then?
>>58780137
Get out then you fucking commie
>>58768098
The US is too relevant. I wish foreigners wouldn't talk/post about us all the time. I with people weren't so OBSESSED with us.
>America has only three great cities: New York, San Francisco, and New Orleans. Everywhere else is Cleveland.
Is this really true? I've been to all three, and they definitely had a distinct feel to them. Los Angeles is pretty different, too, and not that similar to anything else on the planet.
Are there no other cities in the US that stand out? Afaic, you could show me a random photo from Chicago, Denver, Houston, Seattle, Atlanta or Indianapolis and I would have no fucking clue where it was taken.
>>58780254
calling them 'great' is a meme
they're shitholes
also
>New Orleans in the same list as LA and NYC
lmao
>>58768098
The population and its relationship to the political landscape is the big one.
The average citizen is completely uninformed and uncritical of their self, yet utterly dismissive of others. It makes it impossible to have an actual fucking dialogue about real issues because everyone is too busy cheering for their 'team' (with who they share less than they think) and disparaging the other 'team' (who they probably share more with than they think) coupled with an apetite for distraction has killed me inside.
Also niggers.
>>58780196
>>58780172
Make me neckbeard
>>58780172
>>58780196
Fuck commies, but this mindset is really cancerous, to tell you the truth.
How about you actually encourage him to stay and do something he believes is productive, like, I don't know, try and change the country for the better?
>>58780366
Spot on.
>>58775419
wow, 8 or 9 were true
also, you definitely have autism
>>58780120
They also don't complain about it and make them known to the world in the same way Americans do. Which really is a fault of news media being obsessed with US politics and issues. The result is that many Americans think that these countries are devoid of problems which doesn't paint an accurate picture and in fact makes them look quite foolish.
>>58780457
because we have more than enough people that if he hates it so much he can just fuck off
>>58780457
Because jingoism is more fun than actually being aware of and being able to criticize problems of your own country.
>"Americans what do you dislike about your country?"
>Other countries get in and just lay it on the US
Mm, this is one thing I don't like about the US.
We get shit on because it's the trendy thing to do.
Besides that there's:
>Services economy mandating white collar jobs since blue collar ones give you the shit end of the stick
>Most white collar jobs can only be obtained by higher education
>Higher education can only be obtained from paying out the ass or stellar academic performance
>Everybody is obsessed with non-issues and leaves our infrastructure to rot
>Free "Trade" agreements which hand over blue collar jobs in exchange for cheap crap nobody wants
>Paying out the ass for global military coverage when we don't have global interests anymore
>Paying half for military base maintenance in Europe we effectively use once a year
>Political corruption nobody seems to care about
>People hating foreigners for no reason
>>58780254
Several cities "stand out" in the US. Everyone of them is unique.
>you could show me a random photo from Chicago, Denver, Houston, Seattle, Atlanta or Indianapolis and I would have no fucking clue where it was taken
Probably because you don't care enough to see those cities, not surprised you wouldn't recognize them.
>>58780387
>I hate America
>I will never leave
Nice """bait""" dumbass.
>>58780457
>How about you actually encourage him to stay and do something he believes is productive
Because the people that say these things irl are cancerous fucks that hate America because their college professors tell them that we're evil. There's no point in arguing with them because we'll never be a worker's paradise like Sweden. Besides, I'm not autistic enough to argue with some disgusting NEET on 4chan
>>58780457
Based norway
>>58775419
>50%+ Genital mutilation rate of boys
And actually, circumcision has been falling out of popularity since 2000.
>>58780561
>jingoism
Kindly fuck off to Reddit
>>58780561
You don't know what jingoism is do you?
>>58780600
This seems to be the best answer.
>>58780561
>jingoism
>>58780631
this
americans who say they hate america are basically the equivalent of antifa in europe
we don't want them
>>58772969
1. Inidans are retarded drunk cannibal savages
2. Everything white people brought improved them in every way
3. There weren't even that many of them because no agriculture
>>58768216
This is good, especially the architecture. Why are most Americans so trashy with their tastes?
>>58768293
We don't have a problem with racial groups, we have a problem with class. Nigs with steady jobs stop being nigs
>t. lives next to the most affluent county in the United States with an African-American majority
>>58780923
>Everything white people brought improved them in every way
What about smallpox blankets kek
>>58772680
>>58773962
>>58778004
Rand Paul is almost as much of a whore as Trump and Hillary are. He was a staunch libertarian... until the primaries, when he softened his stance on a lot of issues. Just comes to show that he's a politician, not a human being with principles, who will say and do anything to get elected.
Rand Paul was a terrible disappointment.
>>58780923
t. Never met a Native
>>58778900
Yes. The $700 billion stimulus package got paid back, with interest.
>>58781021
>almost as much of a whore as Trump
can you actually explain what that's supposed to mean?
>>58775688
Stop getting assravaged and making us look autistic you fat stupid fuck
I dislike how Americans think they have it hard compared to 90% of the world who had it far worse. It makes them seem like children rather than people who want to make things better.
>>58775907
Please ignore that autistic man.
I'm so sorry you had to see this
I fucking wish i could trade places with one of you americans. Fuck Europe, God bless the USA
>>58768098
Democrats.
>>58775419
>Highest prison population per capita
>Highest obesity rate in the developed world
>People still die without healthcare and even go bankrupt from being swindled by for-profit medical staff
>The highest wealth and pay inequality in the developed world
These are actual problems out of everything else listed
>>58781290
cuck
>>58781392
>Projecting
wew
>>58777606
I hate coal rollers too, but I can't help but think that you believe that automotive enthusiasts are a large enough influence to hold humanity back. I bet you want me to trade my full-size sedan with a v8 engine for a one-and-change liter hatchback and think my taste in vehicles is morally reprehensible. And yet, you say these things in a time where alternative fuels are already heavily pushed and older vehicles continue to rot to the point where the amount of them on the roads drops off tremendously. Don't get any ideas about Cash for Clunkers part 2 either.
Meanwhile, while you attack groups of hobbyists, power companies spew much more shit in the atmosphere with a far larger influence. And don't get me started on developing countries.
You have the wrong target.
Where do you see America in the next 30 years?
>>58781290
I can't even think of anything that makes America better than Finland aside from maybe gun rights.
>>58781465
¡Viva Estados Unidos!
>>58781457
friendly reminder that the shale boom has done more to reduce carbon emissions in the US than wind and hydro ever did
>>58781478
Better economy and job opertunities for certain industries.
>>58781478
the people, dipshit
>>58781564
You mean the 40% non white ones or the Finns?
>>58781478
jobs, climate, people, freedoms, lots of stuff, but of course if you look at it statistically finland is better in many things. but that doesnt really tell much how its to live
>>58768098
Fatfucks
>>58775525
100% triggered by FACTS
>>58781392
look whos talking. Thanks for fucking up Europe. again
>>58781549
Sorry, my autism was let out of its cage. I can't help it when I encounter someone who pins all environmental issues on car enthusiasts, motor racing, and car modifications in general. It seems like the other side is winning.
>>58781380
>People still die without healthcare and even go bankrupt from being swindled by for-profit medical staff
>The highest wealth and pay inequality in the developed world
These aren't an actual problem because we'd have to have Denmark's demographics to not have them.
>>58775419
/pol/ pls go.
>>58782108
Nah, 30% of people are on Medicaid anyway, which is basically single payer and more efficient than private insurance.
Wealth inequality can be dealt with via tax code restructuring.
>>58782250
>Medicare
>more efficient than private insurance
t. never seen true private insurance because leftards won't let us have it
>>58782300
>True private insurance
You mean unregulated? Because if so, do tell what country does this and has good medical care
>>58782250
medicare is fucking shit
my mom pays like $250 a month for part B alone and it covers nothing, I end up paying for all of her prescriptions, copays, etc
people who want 'medicare for all' have no idea what they're asking for
>>58782364
If you want the NHS, go ahead, just don't expect me to be jumping at the chance to see our medical professionals striking because they're essentially slaves
>>58782500
The NHS is just the other side of the crazyness. You can have a compromise
>>58782481
Medicare and Medicaid aren't the same program.
Liberals
>>58780923
>3. There weren't even that many of them because they were all killed by disease brought by the filthy unwashed white hordes
>>58783043
There were like 50 million in pre euro NA iirc
>>58775914
fuck the middle class, they're cunts, always fucking over the working class so they can get cheap crap that they don't need
Why can't the states just run European-style public health programs, actually? Pretty sure it's unconstitutional for the fed to be running healthcare for the entire country anyway. It would also mean states that don't want it don't have to do it.
Didn't Mitt Romney try something like that in Massachusetts?
Not that I particularly want something like that, I just don't get why I don't see the idea elsewhere. It pretty much eliminates the "we can't do that in a country our size" argument.
>>58783882
>Why can't the states do x
The Civil War is why
Anything the federal government wants it gets one way or another
>>58784049
Wilkes Booth did nothing wrong
>>58784101
Hey you wanna ride a helicopter?
>>58784189
I didn't know the Confederates were South American communists
>>58784230
They're just as brown as them, speak the same Spanish
It's hard to tell sometimes
>>58783882
I don't know, probably because we can't have nice non-federal things since the 1860s. It's a great idea. It would be funny watching the issue of state's rights bite the northern states in the ass if they tried it and it got smacked down.
>>58784273
Hey, it's because of the politicians y'all vote for.
>y'all
Is this actually correct English? It looks retarded as fuck.
>>58783882
Some have attempted to. California tried twice and it was vetoed by Schwarzenegger. Vermont just tried but scraped the plan because they didn't plan it right and Colorado has single payer on the ballot.
>>58784630
Yes it is.
And yes, it does.
>>58784630
No. It's Texan for you all.
Sweden-style health care would be viable if we euthanized all baby boomers and nonwhite people.
>>58778166
hehohehohehohehohehohehohehohehohehohehohehoheho
>>58779566
>exported there for assembly then brought back to US to be sold
does the money saved by paying beaners to do it really outweigh the cost of shipping the materials there and back again?
People who refuse to accept that America, the country they love so much, has some problems. If you truly loved your country, you'd want to fix it, rather than plug your ears and go LALALALA GREATEST COUNTRY IN DA WERLD
>>58780600
>People hating foreigners for no reason
m8 aprox 1/3 the thigs you listed are the reason that people hate foreigners
>>58785377
No I'm talking about the people who don't know anything about a country and disliking it for x reason when in reality its un-based hatred
