What Eastern EuropEuropean country do you think will be the first to catch up to the West?
8 years: Estonia
10 years: Latvia, Lithuania
15 years: Poland, Slovenia
20years: czechoslovakia, hungary
40 years: Croatia, Romania
Rest: never
>>58760299
Eesti <3
>>58760299
Slovenia and Estonia have already surpassed Greece and Portugal in many respects.
>>58760299
>poortugal
>denbts
>>58760299
>>58760299
>catch up
None tbqh. The Czechs are probably closest but even their economy is god awful when compared to any Western.
>>58760567
>Eesti is fatter than Georgia
Bullshit.
>>58760299
catch up to the West in what respect? Social justice, trans parades, encouragement of mental illness, police state surveillance, number of blacks and muslims?
>Eastern European country (...) to catch up to the West
You know what I can picture happening instead of your fantasy? Western european countries declining to the east's level.
>>58760299
>be eesti
>be as east as finland
>be more north than denmark
>will be forever considered to be in eastern europe
>>58760299
>15 years: Poland, Slovenia
>pooland
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czechenland probably you smug fucking czechen you knew that, thats why you made the thread
due to the nature how western economy works, the rest will most likely never catch up
>work in aircraft industry
>get payed 300euros a month
>because thats reasonable in the region
topkek, fuck western yurop
http://www.diehl.com/en/diehl-aerosystems/press/nyirbator-zukuenftiger-produktionsstandort-fuer-bauteile-des-airbus-a380.html
>>58760910
You forgot one
>be an AIDS-infected poor shithole
Latvia before Czechia and Poland? Aren't they poorer than us? Why Czechoslovakia after Poland? You're a little bit richer than us.
>>58760299
All of them, half are already richer in the capitals.
Western europe is overrated
>>58760299
Depends on what you call the west. Poortugal is pretty bad.
>>58760299
We will never catch up 2bh. Hopefully the curse of turan destroys Hungary completely before it gets too bad
>>58761000
>be living in eesti
>have russian minority
>russian minority is responsible for 89% of the HIV cases
also i wouldnt call us poor shithole, 1000 euros is the average wage here, and with that you can live very comfortable and travel to a warm place atleast once a year...
>>58760299
we won't anytime soon
>>58760299
>GDP growth since 1989
>>58761285
Greek economic superpower by 2020 confirmed.
>>58760299
>Greece still red
>>58761342
>poormania
The question is not "when" but "if".
Good chances: Czechia, Slovakia, Estonia, Slovenia
Ok chances: Poland, Croatia
Bad chances: Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania
Beyond hope: Ukraine, Bosnia, Serbia, Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Romania, Moldova
>>58761342
>Nokia's market value in 2014 was as big as the combined GDP of Albania and Macedonia
What.
>>58761452
superpower by 2020!
>>58760299
I was about to write a long serious reply, but then I went through the thread and thought... nah.
>>58761285
FUCKING EAST SLAVS
GET THE FUCK OUT OF ESTONIA
>>58760299
is greece west?
>>58761852
No sir, you got the wrong continent there. Greece is North!
>>58760970
>czechenland probably you smug fucking czechen you knew that, thats why you made the thread
>due to the nature how western economy works, the rest will most likely never catch up
this
>>58761608
Oester?
>>58760299
>czechoslovakia
???
never been but I thought is was germany/austria tier? Same with Hungary to an extent.
Latvia is a shithole. And we'll never catch up the West.
>>58761972
lies
>>58761852
>2030
>Greece has become european Somalia
>Mediterranean can only be travelled from 0:00-14:00 because that's when Greek pirates are asleep
>>58762014
>
>lies
Are you Latvian?
>>58760299
Slovenia obviously, we're the best.
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/table.do?tab=table&init=1&language=en&pcode=tec00001&plugin=1
>>58761753
Poland and Ukraine had very similar population and GDP
Look how it changed
http://next.gazeta.pl/pieniadz/1,136156,15319026,Zaczynalismy_prawie_tak_samo__Gdzie_jestesmy_teraz_.html
most Eastern Yuro countries just need another 10-20 years to reach a perfectly reasonable standard of living while retaining their dignity unlike the West
>>58760970
>invent something the west doesn't have
>charge them a lot of money for it
>???
>pay your people more money
I love it how it really only ever boils down to one single thing in the mind of the imbecile: GDP, be it per capita of PPP or what ever. That's all there is xDD
>>58762187
I don't get it, Poland has 8 times the population of Finland but only double the GDP.
>>58762083
No but my friend is and I always hear nice things about it, sounds like a great place. not a shithole at anyway
is it quite centralised? hows it outside of riga?
>>58762250
hello ivan
>Portugal and Greece
>west
lol
None will catch up, EU simply won't allow them to. Some western countries might decline soon though.
>>58762250
Ofc, it isn't everything, but it's the most straightforward way to measure and compare the economical strength of countries
>>58762295
Oh my god, we all gonna die. Might as well just end it. Top that with the absolutely colossal amount of AIDS patients - ca. 500 people in the whole country - and I don't see any reason to exist anymore. Goodbye, offing myself now.
>>58762303
>EU simply won't allow them to
EU is hardly doing anything but shoveling money to eastern european shitholes.
>>58762413
It doesn't happen that often though.
catching up to the west isn't worth it, the west is dying
>>58762413
The whole point of EU is to keep the center of European economy in Germany and surrounding countries.
>>58762413
yeah shoveling money for construction projects done by Western firms thereby cycling it right back to the West
>>58762330
Norway has a higher GDP per capita than Germany. In fact all the Nordic countries do afaik. But which economy is actually stronger?
It is only straightforward if your mind works as a single cell organ.
>>58761212
*tips fedora*
>>58761753
get bent Poland, you've leeched from the EU pool for years and have received far more net funding than any other EU nation.
I can respect Estonia but you guys are scroungers and arrogant to boot.
>>58762492
pic related is from our nazi party
>>58762516
There is no reason to assume that Finlands, Denmarks or Swedens economies are not as strong as Germany. Norway is an obvious exception because of oil.
>>58762292
He >>58761972 is probably the avarage "MUH GOVERNMENT IS ROBBING US" retard. Ignore him.
>>58762559
I have Portuguese friends, they say it´s pretty bad.
Do you like me more now that I base it on real people rather than memes, friend?
Estonia should be Swedish.
>>58762563
look at per capita you illiterate faggot
>>58762515
Don't forget about all the cheap labor especially from the poorer countries.
It's amazing how people think Western countries give out money for nothing in return.
>>58761852
dat Luxembourg though
>>58762516
Are you dumb in the brain? The economy that has the highest gdp per capita is strongest. That's literally what gdp measures, the strength of an economy.
>>58762740
Answer my question.
>>58762740
are you saying our economy is stronger than chinas? they can buy us
>>58762790
Yes Nordic countries have a stronger economy is the answer; it's not even up to debate.
>>58761852
when did the micks get so rich wtf
>>58762740
This
It doesn't matter how dependent it is on one commodity (oil for example)
Robustness and complexity are something different
>>58762829
Per capita, it is. What? Meaning the average joe lives better here than in china.
>>58760970
Nah
This country is stagnating and politics are without any vision
They keep bringing more factories even when there is 100k open jobs in manufacturing so they started importing ukranians
They are bribed by koreans and germans investors so they keep salaries low
>>58762573
Yeah but you help EU countries with poor development
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-airports-specialreport-idUSKBN0JS06K20141214
>>58762849
celtic tiger
>>58762838
>laughing_german_whores.jpeg
>>58762890
>politics are without any vision
dude
just look at us and Hungary
and stop complaining
>>58762615
How about basing your opinion on economists and not from some self-deprecating shitheads
>>58762829
That's literally and very vocally what anon is saying while calling everyone else retards.
>>58760299
Eastern Europe is fine as it is, why would you change anything? And what is "The West"?
>>58760672
Came here to post this desu
>>58762925
Our politicians do have a vision: getting rich off of public money
>>58762925
But we are now total sellout to chinese just bcs they promised him to build some stupid monster project
>>58762573
Is the juden real or did you add it ?
>>58760299
Poland along with the Baltics,Hungary and Chechoslovakia have already surpassed Greece tho, by 2020 we're going to fully reach Balkan level economy and society.
>>58762977
Per capita means per person, how much income an economy generates per person. That is what people usually compare when comparing gdp. They are not comparing total gdp.
>>58762961
i actually have a ma in economics.
Poland could catch up in 10 years if their public moral wasn't shit.
Image it: A country exporting jobs to foreign countries, then using that cash to build companies in Poland.
Its sorta amazing. But it will not really get anywhere because the government is shit, and public moral is worse.
Image: If its everyones, its no ones, so nobody will care for it.
Image a entire state not taking care of itself.
>>58763012
It's what people who are mentally still stuck in the cold war era use to refer to countries with a smaller GDP.
>>58762925
Orbán and Kaczynski have a vision though
It's about steering the country away from the West and replacing liberal democracy with authoritarianism
>>58763060
very real
http://www.naseslovensko.net/nase-nazory/pravda-o-vyhodnosti-eurofondov-dovod-preco-vystupit-z-eu/
>>58762629
How does this change anything?
As a whole, your country is receiving, far, far more than any other country in the EU.
And you're arrogant to boot.
>>58763157
Based slovaks
>>58760299
All the "richest" eastern european countries as czechis, slovenia and estonia are now in middle income trap and imho only estonia will break it
Czech & Baltic: 4~6 years (if they haven't already)
Poland, Slovakia & Hungary: 10~20 years
Rest: +50years with a little luck or if muslims/russians don't fuck up
Rossiya ofc
ROSSIYA ROSSIYA ROSSIYA
>>58763086
>A country exporting jobs to foreign countries, then using that cash to build companies in Poland.
This right here is why Eastern Europe will never catch up.
Like, people here are hoping we get into the EU so they would be able to work abroad. The """help""" EE countries get from EU is literally nothing compared to what people from EE are doing to help keep Germany's, Austria's, Denmark's, etc, economy stable. It's fucking pathetic when people from those countries are complaining about the money EU gives to EE countries.
>>58762961
Capitalism will fall and then chaos Latvia Estonia will occupied by you brothers Russia poll and will be the Westland like china Balkans will fight for life europe in chaos with Muslims and you know the rest freedom will come though the sky like a 500kg propaganda with extra glitter pew pew everywhere everyone from space gonna laugh with us (ΖΗΤΩ Ο ΣΟΣΣΙΑΛΙΣΜΟΣ ΚΑΙ Η ΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΚΗ ΤΑΞΗ)
>>58763277
>if muslims/russians don't fuck up
The probability of that happening is probably in the single digits
>>58763153
Don't yo mean higher? Also, I've been to Eastern Europe and things looked pretty good; clean streets, renovated traditional architecture, enough food for everyone, lots of tourists, very low % of minorities (aka Africans, Muslims or Asians) and the prices were low on pretty much everything. So what exactly do people in this thread want?
>>58763277
Portugal and Greece are not really western anymorr, they are poorfags as us
We are talking about germany, uk tier
>>58763277
>Czech & Baltic: 4~6 years (if they haven't already)
>Poland, Slovakia & Hungary: 10~20 years
top kek
>>58763086
>Poland could catch up in 10 years if their public moral wasn't shit.
You mean we're too conservative?
>Image it: A country exporting jobs to foreign countries, then using that cash to build companies in Poland.
But we're already doing this 2bh.
>the government is shit
Only 3 more years left with them.
>>58763259
we just need reforms, we still have state-owned businesses
>>58763384
>the prices were low on pretty much everything
here prices are the same if not more expensive than in Germany
>>58763384
So you were in 2-3 capital cities right?
Thats not really accurate image.
Yeah prices are lower here(excpet groceries, electronicks and clothes) but purchasing power is west is still 40-50% higher than here
>>58763384
They want to become like Russia.
>>58763294
but wouldnt they send the money home too? do they literally want to move away forever?
>>58763462
wot city
>catch up
Catch up to what? Unsustainable social and economic policies? Cultural suicide? Welfare state-ism?
All right, you have slightly higher quality of life, and just because of this you think you are 'right' when it comes to how entire state should be? Lolno, if anyone is going to do any catching up, you people are going to catch onto what we are doing over here, or you are going to disappear entirely, and when you are finally over saturated with muslims enough, YOU will have a lower quality of life than us, and if this is your only metric, than you would end up being 'wrong'.
Thank you for reading and please correct me if I am somewhere wrong.
>>58763384
>So what exactly do people in this thread want?
I don't want to go full ad hominem, but just read and analyze how people "think".
>>58763481
How much money do you think they are able to send home? 100 euros a month? 200? Life in the west is expensive, they can't send too much. Most of it is still spent in the country they work in.
>>58763462
What oblast in russia is "a" at russian csr plates?
I have new neighbours with "a"
Archangelsk?
>>58763481
I saw some stats for immigration from EE to UK
3 million people from EE worked there since 2004. Slovaks were the second least likely going to stay and Poles the most
I guess it depends on the size of a diaspora. Large one can create networks for new arrivals and they won't assimilate or leave that quickly
>>58763519
Some poor village in the center of Siberia with population of 10 men.
>>58763586
A means nothing. Number in the right part gives you the region.
>>58763456
Then what can you say about us? We are considered part of the "West" and our GDP is very high yet everything is extremely expensive here.
>>58763460
Forgive me for my ignorance in economics but what is "purchasing power" and how does that effect your life?
>>58761852
That is not adjusted to cost of living. This map is accurate and easy to understand. So basically Poland is the Europe average, and we are either richer or poorer than Polacks.
>>58763678
How much you can afford with your wage adjusting to local prices
So with czech 1k czech eage you can buy 1k beers in pub
With german 3k wage you can buy 1.5k beers in pub
German purchasing poweris 50% higher
>>58763805
kek come on man
>>58763777
Actually ppp is adjusted to prices
Purchasing power and gdp are two different things
You can have "high" gdp but when all companies are foreign and they profit gies with them you are fucked
>>58763678
that's why you get paid 2 as much
>>58763805
in what german village is beer 2€?
>>58763777
looking good 2bh
but we need to take over Slovenia and Czechia and strengthen our dominance in Intermarium
>>58763944
Its adjusted with Big Mac index which is bullshit. On numbeo cost of living is much more accurate and it counts prices of many goods and services.
>>58763259
This
We will never catch up if we don't improve our education and R&D
Deindustrialisation and reliance on one industry is going to hit us very hard without developed tertiary sector
http://visegradinsight.eu/beyond-the-middle-income-trap30092014/
>>58763456
Privatisation isn't going to make you rich. That's a dogmatic neoliberal nonsense
>>58764076
So offical imf gdp ppp data using big mac prices?
Source pls
>>58764086
neither will keeping unreliable public companies with bloated wages and employment
that's a dogmatic communist nonsense
All of these maps are bullshit because they all focus on global economy and completely disregard local economy, in which people live. What if people are focused on producing for themselves, instead of producing for someone outside the borders? They get low meaningless numbers.
Who cares about participating in the global economy when you can just build everything you need for yourself. When they declare the biggest economic crisis in history, nothing changes over here. When they declare the biggest prosperity in history, again nothing changes.
Its all bullshit.
>>58764086
http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/publications/country_focus/2013/pdf/cf_vol10_issue3_en.pdf
>>58764187
>>58763555
Why are serbs so butthurt about economy? Can't you just join EU like normal people and start developing instead of sucking Russia's dick?
>>58764243
>join EU like normal people and start developing
Nice joke.
>>58764187
>What if people are focused on producing for themselves, instead of producing for someone outside the borders
if a nation has a high industrial capacity the products are cheap and the PPP would be higher
>>58763777
that's from numbeo
users are putting in data about prices of products from different countries
that's not very reliable
>>58764106
Source:wikipedia. There are many other methods like law of one price, iPad index etc.
Idk I find the numbeo prices to be pretty accurate, you can also visit the site and add pricing information..
>>58764187
This
You can grow potatos when you have big enough terasse in your beograde commieblock appartment
Fuck gdp
>>58764353
>you can also visit the site and add pricing information
that's why it's rubbish
According to that, Estonian purchasing power is 15% lower than the Indian ffs
How does that make sense?
>>58764419
*15% higher
>>58764302
So you are saying that the standard of living in your country is over 50% higher than Croatia?I don't think so, I think its pretty much the same.
>>58764353
On mobile but I am pretty sure they are using inflation basket from national stats office
>>58764419
it makes sense if most products in India are dirt cheap, which they probably are, considering shit quality and billions of workers
>>58764284
And if a nation has higher industrial capacity than it needs.... its a waste.
Lets say Serbia starts up the biggest, most huge ship building heavy industry. Well it would be a huge waste to us Serbs.. sure, it might make money for us because everyone else has a sea, but we dont, so we dont need this high industrial capacity.
You need what you need, and global economy is bullshit that keeps crashing 24/7 because its based on yet more bullshit. I do realize the concept can be extremely successful in theory but so far all I see out of it, is waste creation.
>>58764463
No, I'm not saying that
I'm just saying that your map is a fucking gabage and you should check your souces before posting
>>58764516
>it might make money for us
> so we don't need this
do you understand what you wrote? Theoretically you could have a huge ship building industry which brings in jobs, infrastructure, etc. but you don't want it because... you'd have to import stuff like cars and tractors?
>>58764481
Yeah but I doubt that average wage in India is 500€ after taxes(numbeo number)
>>58764581
I think you just triggered because on this map your country is a bigger shithole than you thought it was
All of them will fall facing waves of refugees from Russia when it collapses. No first world for you butthurt belt, hahaha, Russia fuck yeah.
>>58764716
Fair enough
Give me proper data, then we can talk
>>58764658
probably not that high but apparently it was about 300 usd 7 years ago, with how fast India is growing it could be about $400 now. And USD and euro are almost equal in value right now
>>58764658
Well in more developed parts of India it is. And those are the parts of the country that have internet and can post information on numbeo.
>>58764243
>EU
>normal people
>developing
>>58764658
Actually its 90€/month
So all these numbeo data are filled from expats etc.
>>58764791
yes hello
>>58764814
>Actually its 90€/month
source?
>>58764775
I like you. You actually make sense.
Poland and Estonia are cool.
>>58764814
lmao
>>58760672
we'll surpass you then, because we keep growing and don't allow bydlo in
>Greece
>w*stern
>>58764838
kys retard
>>58764592
Its a profit that depends on other people to work. The more parts a system has, the more likely it is to fail.
Why depend on some people a million kilometers away? What if he decides not to buy? This model calculates all humans as 100% logical beings who never do any dumb shit. Which is why it keeps failing again and again and again and again.
Self sustainability > global economy and dependency.
>>58764723
>All of them will fall facing waves of refugees from Russia when it collapses. No first world for you butthurt belt, hahaha, Russia fuck yeah.
god damn you
>>58764880
well you can completely detach yourself from the global market as long as you don't want oil, gas, electronics, non-Serbian foods and pretty much anything else not made in Serbia.
>>58764846
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/india/wages
For some reason they are using daily and not monthly wage...
100 rupie is about 1.2€
So about 3€/day * 30=90€
>>58764967
In Yugoslavia we built pretty much everything ourselves then the west encouraged us to break apart and those companies rotted away.
>>58765010
strange, the International Labour Organisation gives completely different numbers...
>>58765058
I don't think any part of Slovenian industry rotted away
>>58765058
Companies tend to die if they can't adjust to market economy and fierce international competition. Same shit happened after SU fell apart.
>>58765058
>In Yugoslavia we built pretty much everything ourselves then the west encouraged us to break apart and those companies rotted away.
I get it. You are one of those
>they killed our economy
guys. We have those too. They think old tractors and shitty forced communal labor was a good way to run a business. Why dont you wake up.
>>58765101
Maribor wasn't always a shit hole and construction is dead since 2008
>>58765209
a lot of stuff is dead since 2008, what about 1990-2008?
>>58760299
>What Eastern EuropEuropean country do you think will be the first to catch up to the West?
None. It's literally impossible.
>>58763086
Imagine there's no heaven
>>58765065
From their websitr it is 7749 rubie/month
Cca 97 €
>>58760567
Why are women so fat?
>>58764967
Your country just joins a 100000 nations coalition and goes to war against middle east when your master United States demands it.
"Global economy" is just a buzzword, and people who participate in it just take stuff by force.
Your trading is bullshit. Its all highly political. Which is why you put economic sanctions on all potentionally highly profitable businesses that are not aligned with United States. Makes zero business/profit sense, but yet you do it every time for the sake of politics.
So screw your global economy, its just a code word for being a United States peon that can get sacrificed at any time.
>>58763180
>How does this change anything?
>As a whole
>2016
>Failing to understand the significance of "per capita"
>>58760299
Eastern Europe will never catch up.
It's geographical position is disadvantageous.
The people less numerous.
The lands overflowing with smell of the Turk.
Their natural resources lacking.
Their Muh Heratigefag population in the new world inconsequential among the Germanic / Perfidious Albion.
>>58765432
we started talking about production capacity and now you're devolving into some pseudo-political bullshit about the United States. Living standards are living standards, no politics involved. If you think it's all fake you're welcome to stay in Serbia
>>58760299
>15 years: Poland, Slovenia
Would be nice - that would mean I could easily live long enough to see it happen.
>>58765329
well I guess the wiki article is all fucked up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage
>>58765205
we didn't make shitty tractors tho, we were making everything from buses, tanks, guns, to computers
>>58765258
they were shit some of them got up some of them failed now people hop over the border to pay less taxes
Why so long for Czechs? Every time I've visited you've seem perfectly civilized and modern.
>>58760299
>15 years: Poland
L O L
We would literally have to grow 5,5% every year and EU25 - 0% to be able to catch up that quickly.
I imagine it's not that much different, or even worse, for other EEU countries.
>>58765459
>bosnia, albania
>Muslamic ray guns
>>58765459
>Their
>>58765544
I'm, sorry man but if your buses and computers were so great they'd be alive right now. Capitalists don't just come in and destroy the old shit, if it's profitable they'll buy it and develop it further
>>58760299
Us? Never. Hopefully our natality goes even lower if possible and we die out as a nation, the world doesn't deserve us
>>58765515
Living standards are temporary. They change over time a lot.
>>58765459
>croatia trying to feel important
If your theme park of a country is so smart, how come it was ruled from Belgrade and Vienna longer than it was ever ruled by any croat place?
>>58761598
KEK
>>58763555
You're right about cultural suicide, unstable social and economic policies and welfare statism.
But Serbia has the exact same problem.
>Unsustainable social and economic policies
Serbia likely has one of the highest corruption rates in Europe
>Cultural Suicide
Every young person in Serbia wants to leave because of how shit it is. Demographically Serbia is ultra-fucked
>Welfare state-ism
Literally Serbian pension and government corruption. In my opinion Serbia is no less of a welfare state as anyone else. Maybe even more so in some cases.
So really we are all in the same boat desu.
>>58765683
Why are Serb posters are obnoxious fuckwads?
Constantly butthurt like Orthodox Poles
>>58764874
no my dear neet
>>58765550
Everything here is owned by germans so all profit goes to Germany(10bn€/year)
Our only chance is start demostrate and demand at least skoda wages in manufacturing
>>58764764
Proper data in purchasing power partiy:
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/table.do?tab=table&init=1&language=en&pcode=tec00114&plugin=1
Proper data in nominal:
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/table.do?tab=table&init=1&language=en&pcode=tec00001&plugin=1
The nominal data is useful if you want to purchase say, Ipads, mercedes cars etc, anything you import - purchasing power parity won't help you there.
>>58764463
Croatia is actually a shithole, it turned to one in the last several years.
>>58765561
>we
>Slovenian flag
Are we culturally assimilating other West Slavs already thanks to our glorious rise as a leader of Intermarium?
>>58765588
While this is true there were exaples when western companies bought their competion here and shut down the productuion next day
>>58760299
>Greece west Europe
>Cyprus East Europe
huh?
>>58765817
thanks
eurostat is better than numbeo
>>58765561
>>58765870
Also that table is from 2004 so lmaoing at your logic.
>>58765870
that means they needed something like patents or real estate and the company they bought wasn't easy to make profitable
>>58765870
sorry didnt mean to quote you
carry on
>>58765914
No that means that they bribed our politicians during privatization
Why does life suck in Eastern Yurop? What can we do to help them
>inb4 t. Jamal
>>58765963
to do what? Waste money on a company just to shut it down?
>>58765963
90s were wild in Eastern Europe, you can not appl there free market logic(profits, patents etc)
>>58765588
computers died with the invention of microprocessors the buses are barely alive
>>58765618
Bless u , let's move to iceland and pay taxes and live a decent life
>>58765997
end our misery
>>58766001
Yes
Shut down local cheaper competion and than flooded market with your own product
>>58766029
;_; hrvatskbro no
>>58766026
>buses are barely alive
u wot m8
>>58766066
why not just flood the market and let the competition die anyway instead of wasting money buying it? This doesn't make sense
>>58765997
Dismantle the EU.
>>58766097
our buses
>>58766029
You guys already do whatever you can , it's about the society . They ruin everything . Most of them haven't even left their citites to see what is like in another country.
The old generatin from our country is dying anyway , i wish i could burn them alive to make them suffer but i can't because it's illegal .
>>58766109
why the fuck do you care about the EU so much if you're not in it?
just join russian federation already
>>58765997
It doesn't, at least in Slovenia. The only real difference is that our wages are not that high and our welfare is something you cannot live with normaly. Which is somethimes a positive thing since it repels the immigrants. But as far as anything else goes, Slovenia isn't much different than France for example. Pic related, it's my hometown, no one could say wether this picture was taken in Eastern or Western Europe.
>>58766164
this 2bh
it's even more pathetic than amerifats telling us what to do with the eu
>>58766164
And be a retarded good for nothing closed minded human being ?
No thank you , rather burn me alive .
>>58766098
It was great opprtunity in early 90s, local conpanies so sk survived transofrmation but they were still have very good value/price products
Than their western competion bought them with loan from western bank, shut down them and flooded market with their own product. Our companes had no acces to cheap loans and very abosoltely unpreperwd for this.
Of course there are good exaples too(skoda etc.)
>>58765859
>>58765900
guwniak na majówce hir
My bad about the table. Still, 15 years from now on is nowhere near realistic considering the current difference between GDP growth of Poland and EU25 is like 2%. I'd say 30 years is a safer estimation, and that's assuming no major fuckups with would send our economy down the shitter once again.
>>58766340
if the local companies had good products for good value that means they were probably making money. In this case a) they would be able to easily get a loan, even from a foreign bank and b) it would make 100x more sense to buy them and develop their profit further instead of shutting them down and risking the market with your new, unknown brand
>>58766400
>majówka
>na Słowenii
Już Chorwacja lepsza żbsz.
>Still, 15 years from now on is nowhere near realistic considering the current difference between GDP growth of Poland and EU25 is like 2%. I'd say 30 years is a safer estimation, and that's assuming no major fuckups with would send our economy down the shitter once again.
I wouldn't be such a pessimist look how we progressed:
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/table.do?tab=table&init=1&language=en&pcode=tec00114&plugin=1
>>58760299
russia
>>58765997
>life in eastern yurop suck
[source needed] I actually prefer to live here.
>>58765997
maybe you should worry more about the west than us.
jamal
>>58762022
>Sea peoples will be a thing in our lifetimes
Yes.
>>58766537
poland
>>58760299
>czech
literally a false flag thread to get people to say "omg no your country is best". this shit is like those sluts on social media who say "omg im so ugly" fishing for compliments
>>58766164
I wish the EU would tell us to fuck off already so we could turn our backs to them and never mention them again.
The way it is now the EU is very relevant to my interest. So if my presence annoys you feel free to look for a safe space elsewhere.
>>58765440
Why does it affect me that Poland can stand on its own too feet better now? Does Poland's exports justify the investment the British tax payer puts in? Why should I be happy that we've funded your country?
>>58766164
their president sucks merkel's clit off pretty hard iirc
>>58766537
This.
>>58766774
The Polish people who are working in your country are helping it grow. You aren't giving them free money.
>>58766860
You mean Prime Minister. But yes he does, he has great lips for it too.
>>58760910
>be turkey
>be as east as ukraine
>be more north than portugal
>will be forever considered to be in middle east
not that I complain, or give rat's arse really. but i realize the reason why Turkey is not considered to be european, because we're culturally different than eastern europe. you're not nordic because of the same reason. now shut the fuck up you miserable piece of shit at least you're not a cuck country.
>>58766860
Yeah, Vučić is a populist authoritarian shithead, but wasn't he just re-elected with 48% (no one ever got this much here) on a platform of joining the EU?
I guess that's a strong indication of what majority of Serbs want and it's not an autarky
>>58767020
shots fired
>>58766774
From a simple, purely protectionist perspective, you might have a point.
But for better or worse, our economies are linked -- and Poland's prosperity means less that the British taxpayer will put in.
Eventually, it'll develop into a more full economy, and serve as a more of a market for British (and other) exports.
>>58766493
Huh, Romania's doing pretty good, even though they joined 3 years later.
>>58767020
You began to fail with the end of the Hittite empire/culture. The final blow was the adoption of Islam.
Indo-European never again.
>>58761608
>Serbia
Seems about right, sadly.
>>58767075
Wrong. Those were parliamentary votes (how many people can every party put into parliament), he flopped hard, and he stole votes on half of the voting places, and those places had to re-vote.
Anyway he lost 1/3 of his parliament people.
Nobody cares for voting for this kind of bullshit, 60+ % of people didnt even go to vote. I also didnt even give a shit to go to vote.
But when the EU voting starts, I will go that day to vote against EU. Hell even if we enter EU with something like a 50.1% of the vote, we are going to protest so hard, that it's not going to happen. And by we I mean people who hate EU (right wing, most of police and military (who let us burn the American embassy last time we protested)) and so on.
There's no way in hell leftists or EU win anything in here. Almost all able bodied males here are nationalists. And we all know that all votes arent really created equal.
>>58765561
>We would literally have to grow 5,5% every year and EU25 - 0% to be able to catch up that quickly.
That's not inconceivable. Poland has seen decades of continuous growth, while (all?) other EU nations have experienced years of recession... less than zero% growth.
>>58767075
I heard the last elections were rigged because a far right party was about to win 5% of the votes, which would put an end to Vučić's party supermajority in the parliament.
>>58767075
Majority of Serbs are dumb as bricks if that is your point, I agree. The more south you go the dumber we are and more votes Vucic gets.
We have the same problem as EU but on a smaller scale. EVERYONE wants to live in fucking Belgrade. And that is not good for the South of the country.
My point is EU benefits the West much more that the East even though money is being given to Eastern countries.
>>58767186
>The final blow was the adoption of Islam.
this desu
funny thing most modern Turks aren't even genetically Turkic, but instead native Anatolian and Greek. I wished the Turkics who cucked us into being Turks kept Tengrism instead of isl*m
>>58767266
Whatever. I really don't give a shit
>>58760299
I could see Czech, Estonia somewhat catch up in the next 30 years or so, and probably Slovenia and Slovakia too.
The rest will most likely not be in our time.
>>58767266
Just curious, but where do you see Serbia's future going without the EU?
will the economic growth continue in poland? Do a lot of people have mortgages and how are they managing to pay them off if the wages are so low? by working abroad?
>>58767574
>will the economic growth continue in poland?
Yes, we're at 3,5% now and hopefully it'll rise to 4,5% soon.
> Do a lot of people have mortgages
No.
>>58767620
isn't it mostly concentrated amongst the big cities? hence the people from the villages leaving the country
>>58767741
Yeah but Poland isn't really centralized that much. Warsaw is 2,5 million in a 40 million country. Second one Kraków is 1,5 million.
We have lots of 100k cities though.
>>58767556
I see a Serbian Serbia.
We stick to the friends we had for the last 1400 years. We make our own laws. We continue to cooperate economically with all friendly people, China built a bunch of shit recently here.
We are not subservient to NATO interests, to immigration quotas, to laws written in Brussel or where ever, and our lives do not depend on some foreign markets no one here ever even heard of. We do not tolerate our cultural sites being demolished by refugees or anyone else.
And we continue to pursue Kosovo and other historically Serbian lands that were forcefully taken from us.
We might be poorer for it but oh well, I dont care. Actually I am studying chemistry at EU certified uni and I could get a job in EU easy, hell I might even go and work in EU, but I just dont want my home country to join EU. I know how this sounds but I still dont care. At the end of the day I am retiring in my Serbian Serbia.
>>58765459
>Their Muh Heratigefag population in the new world inconsequential among the Germanic / Perfidious Albion.
using that logic ireland should be one of the top players in yurop and not a tax haven
>>58767574
>will the economic growth continue in poland?
depends on the period of time we're talking about here
short term - probably, yeah, although the ruling party is trying their hardest to change that
long term - hard to tell
>Do a lot of people have mortgages
Only 13% of Polish households do, which is i think the third lowest result in the entire EU
>how are they managing to pay them off if the wages are so low? by working abroad?
yes, or by taking a loan in swiss francs
>>58767556
this kid is retarded Seselj folower,60% of population wants to join EU
I dont see us catching up with those politicians
>>58766028
I honestly would because we pay almost the same amount of tax and yet we get so much less in return, the 1 km road in front of my apartmemt building has been in construction for 7 years now, they kust finished two lanes and had to destroy them because they forgot to put in the pipelines beneath it
>>58767847
to bad we trade 70% of our shit with EU and there are no friends in politics you fucking retard
>>58768064
Who the hell wants to join EU? Police and military that got bombarded by EU? Male youth which is almost all nationalist? Older people, who remember the horror and aggression and economic sanctions the west brought us?
Only retarded college chicks want to join EU and a few other retards. Hell even if you somehow end up a majority, if those politicians have any sense in their head they are going to declare we arent joining EU or we are simply going to go into the parliament and hang the traitors and smack any leftists we find in the streets along the way.
>>58768099
we have all that and still you are like 20-30 years ahead of us
Good job Romania,people here make fun of romania for being poor like it was in ceausescu time and they dont even see their backyard
>>58768180
Economic cooperation bullshit is one thing, but actually joining political unions and signing treaties (such as NATO) is absolutely never going to happen and people who are for these things will just have to fuck off to the west while Serbia stays Serbian.
>>58767847
>We might be poorer for it but oh well, I dont care. Actually I am studying chemistry at EU certified uni and I could get a job in EU easy, hell I might even go and work in EU, but I just don't want my home country to join EU. I know how this sounds but I still don't care. At the end of the day I am retiring in my Serbian Serbia.
thats part of the reason why eastern europe is so shit, you have a huge brain drain
and then all the smart people that could help your country only come back to retire when they are old and just live off of pension, not contributing to the native economy at all.
>>58768099
That happened here as well but I still wouldnt move out unless it was America/UAE
>>58767020
>be estonia
>be more "nordic" than denmark (pic related)
>be under germany,sweden and denmark for more than 600 year
>be under russian empire, still be under german autonomy
>be under soviet union for under 50 years and be considered eastern europe for rest of your history
>>58768259
>Police and military that got bombarded by EU?
EU didnt bomb Yugoslavia Nato did
> we find in the streets along the way.
lmao who are we
>>58768330
this kid is seselj drone he doesnt represent anything in serbia,majority of people wants to join the EU so they can escape this hellhole
>>58763777
>finnish PP that high
I call bullshit
>>58768400
you are geographically in east europe i dont see why are you so butthurt,who gives a shit
>>58768491
im not butthurt, i just think its funny :D:D:D
also how can webe geographically "eastern europe" when we are literally as east as finland and more north than denmark :D:D:D
i would be okay if we were called north-eastern europe, but putting us in the same group as romanians and all the rest balkans is just sad
>>58768270
Wut, Serbians laugh at us for being poor? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAAH
>>58768099
I've had enough desu. After i finish my college degree i will raise some money , and move . I would move now but college is expensive in West.
>>58768064
>60% of population wants to join EU
It's probably around that number, I agree. What exactly do you think we will accomplish with it other than our passport being more valuable and our diaspora growing more all over the west?
I am trying to break the illusion that joining EU magically makes a country better.
>>58768404
>majority of people wants to join the EU so they can escape this hellhole
Oh that's right. Enjoy cleaning toilets in Germany I am sure you will love it.
>>58768330
There are no conditions here to develop any kind of heavy industry or manufacturing or exporting. We are a small agricultural country and that's great. We dont have hundreds of millions of people. Having a mostly agricultural economy is fine.
>>58768404
If you want to leave Serbia than leave Serbia. There are plenty of people in this country who are going to oppose EU writting all our laws, all our politics and all our Kosovo claims. Joining EU means giving up on Kosovo, letting NATO troops march all over the place, basically joining EU meaning Serbia is no longer Serbia but some bullshit country like Croatia or something.
Anyway, if we count only able bodied men, Serbia is not joining EU.
>>58768554
Serbia is still better though
1) have guns
2) decent infrastructure
>>58768634
>Decent infrastructure
You can't actually believe this, they are stone age compared to us and we're rather crap, they are shittyer than us by every measure possible
>>58768554
But guuuuuyyyysss
we helped you that time , i taught we were friends
>http://www.agerpres.ro/english/2014/05/19/romania-to-help-serbia-with-a-complex-pumping-water-machine-blankets-food-water-11-51-41
.
>>58768601
>Having a mostly agricultural economy is fine.
yeah in the 14 century
>Joining EU means giving up on Kosovo, letting NATO troops march all over the place,
but we didnt even join and we already gave them all that,be realistic kid,kosovo is independent state and serbia cant do nothing about that
>>58768634
>2) decent infrastructure
i see you never steped a foot in this shithole just visit our part of banat
>>58768556
Yhea i think i'll leave too but only for long enough to get a nice car and enough money to build a house,after that i'm coming back
>>58766774
perhaps you should brexist ASAP and then maybe you'll stop whining about your tax money you despicable anglo SHIT
>>58768777
I meant roads. We have the shitties roads in the semi civilized world BAR NONE because of the exponential traffic increase post 90s.
Guarantee even moldova/ukraine are better off because they dont have to deal with every mongoloid buying a 3 two ton SUVs instead of a fucking decent family car
>>58768820
You need to come here as well serb bro
You CAN NOT join EU and still be Serbian.
Google all Serbian folk songs, half of them are about Kosovo. Joining EU is giving up on all Serbian national interests and everything Serbian, and all that for a few Euros more. Disgusting. I just hope that when the day comes actual Serbs manage to break any attempts of our country betraying itself for an extra worthless Euro. These weak minded faggots should just fuck off instead of voting to sell out entire country, they want to leave for fucks sake, so they should just leave, not also ruin Serbia for the rest of us.
>>58768634
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwadpGdskCM
can you get murdered if you piss in a drain?
>>58768807
its just old populus who is still stucked in 1980 and belives romania is the same commie shithole
>>58767847
What exactly makes you think an East Asian investor like China or South Korea would see you as an equal economic partner? The articles I've been reading lately seem to suggest that the slanty eyed businessmen see you pretty much as they do the African countries, which they're also heavily investing in. And your PM is too limp-dicked to tell them to stop treating your people like slaves
http://rtv.rs/sr_lat/politika/vucic-za-tri-godine-uradio-sam-koliko-i-tito-u-bivsoj-jugoslaviji_714052.html
>When asked about bad conditions that workers of the Korean Yura company in Serbia are enduring, despite the company receiving FDI subsidies from our state, Vučić said that the problem, if one exists, should be reported to the company's management because talking about it in the media hurts the country's image. As he explained, these sort of things might scare off new investors, and he just recently asked Korean ambassador to bring Samsung and some other companies to Serbia.
That doesn't sound like a very happy future to me.
>We might be poorer for it but oh well, I dont care. Actually I am studying chemistry at EU certified uni and I could get a job in EU easy, hell I might even go and work in EU, but I just dont want my home country to join EU. I know how this sounds but I still dont care. At the end of the day I am retiring in my Serbian Serbia.
So to tl;dr you hate the EU, but you're still going to work there anyways since you only see Serbia as your personal retirement house and basically fuck how the average Serb in Serbia is doing, right? If that's the average train of thought in your country then there might not even be a Serbia for you to go back to once you hit the old age.
>>58768891
Who knows, I never leave the house thankfully
>>58768807
What are you trying to say? That you agree with me or you actually think Serbia is in any way better than Romania
>>58768820
Your opinion is factually wrong. What will you do when China and India and Russia become richer than EU, than what you sellout whore?
And while its not 14th century, people still have to eat.
>>58766774
>Invest a lot of money into Poland
>They just shitpost on /int/
I know this feel.
>>58768601
>Having a mostly agricultural economy is fine.
>>58769014
t. neet
>>58768807
>i taught we were friends
Are we not?
>>58769014
You didn't do shit.
>>58768882
No our roads are shit, their roads are basicly non existant, you're overdramatizing
>>58768974
Oh shit , i fucked up , i meant to reply to this dude >>58768270
sorry
I thought Czechia was western.
>>58769051
>>58769060
>Invest a lot of money in Poland
>They shitpost and /int/ and aren´t even grateful
>>58769098
>European education
>>58769067
No they literally have better highways and their main roads aren't designed to pass through a stupid fucking village every 5 kilometers because people tolerated a stupid inbred half gypsy subhuman for decades
>>58769060
I dunno , u tell me
>>58769007
>Bulgaria and Hungary
I expected this from the Bozgors but the Bulgarians are just being cunts
Also
>India, China , Russia
>rich
You're getting drunk on stale water frate
i can't wait to rob west european tourists in the sea cities again
>>58768885
>You CAN NOT join EU and still be Serbian.
lmao no sane person under 40 wants to be serbian in serbia,thats so so many of them applied for hungarian papers in the last decada
>>58769007
key word is >become,
they maybe will maybe not,but not in our lifetime that is for sure,and why do you think they gave a fuck about market with 6milion people with pp under 300 euros,kid you need to learn economics 101
>>58769103
20
buck
fuck
>>58769060
ye we are, serbs and boogs are the only foreigners I would ever trust
>>58769007
>What will you do when China and India and Russia become richer than EU
wake up
>>58768400
Sorry Estland, you are not nordick, and how do you even think you can be nordick without a cross on your flag?
>>58769130
>>58769286
>the truth is edgy
m8
>>58769153
We are. You got upset over a comment that Romania is poorer. The truth is we are both poor so it doesn't matter who is "richer". You are doing better than us right now if that makes you happy.
>>58769103
you didnt invest in anything swamp nigger
if anything we're losing money thanks to this corrupt yurokolhoz
>>58769103
Why are the netherlands such a wonder? How do you guys do it? They litteraly take a piece of shit swamp that got flooded every time someone took a piss and turned it into a piece of shit swamp that holds 18 million people, is surrounded by dams and is one of the bigget agricultural powerhouses in europe. And on top of that they have a flag that reminds you of minty fresh flavour, teach us
>>58769264
EU is incompatible with Serbian national interests. If we give up on those might as well be a themepark country like Slovenia where laws are made by non-Slovenians and entire thing is ran by non-Slovenians.
Eh, I realize I can not win. But still I wanna fight pro-EU sellout whore shits when the time comes. Than I might just fuck off to some other place together with them, I dont care.
>>58769379
Thank you for being reasonable and not sucking Western dick.
>>58769421
Have a warm water port.
That´s literally it.
>>58769421
they stole Suriname resources
>>58768556
Don't think that moving to a "western" country, things will change. Here's the same shit
Catch up to the west? The real question is which country in the west will fall below the east first.
>>58768868
m8 , what is the point. Once u move there , stay there for good
>>58769492
france
>>58769456
But we do have a few in the black sea, it's the people that amaze me, like they get dealt the most horrible shit land on the european continent and yet they turn it into something nice
>>58769470
I would live here if people were more open minded, but to me , is literally pointless , i'm tired of people's stupidity and i want to sleep and relax
I'm tired , i'm fuckin tired i'm done
>>58768921
Why are you arguing with a troll or a hypocrite at best?
I dont understand these sellout whores who want to join EU, when half the EU countries themselves want to leave the damn this. Half of Brits and Germans and who know who else want to leave and have protested EU before. Cant wait to see what are these traitors going to do once EU breaks and they sold the country. Than their worthless Euros will become even more worthless.
>>58769421
VOC mentality la
>>58769579
>more open
What did he mean by this
>>58769579
I feel like you right now...
At least I can warning you, if you wanna go to another country just avoid Latin shit and stay away from Italy. You can try nord but not Germany. Ireland or Finland are quite nice.
Noroc, sper sa-ti mearga mai bine de cit s-a intamplat mie...
>>58768400
Estonia would be considered Nordic if
>Estonia had chosen a flag with a cross
>Estonia hadn't let her Swedish minority escape in the 40s
>Estonia hadn't let Soviet Union occupy her
>>58769451
>EU is incompatible with Serbian national interests.
You mean Kosovo? You're not getting that one back anyways, and I'm not sure why you would even want to, considering the place is like 99% Albanian at this point. It's not like not being in EU will change anything in that regard.
>>58769775
boredom I guess
>>58769876
VOC?
>>58769909
didn't estonia have the danish flag as theirs before denmark took it?
>>58769921
Dutch East Indies Company
It's a meme desu
>>58769920
Stop giving these people attention.
>>58770006
we did, fucking danes stole our flag
>>58769796
>Than their worthless Euros will become even more worthless.
also you guys use dinars, the most kebab name for all currencies?
>>58770090
dinar is a roman currency
>>58770090
>dinar
>mined in dinaric mountains
>which are in Serbia
American education please go and stay go.
>>58769884
Please , we still argue about the LGBT rights and it's 2016 if they can adopt and get married , even hungary is ahead of us , this country it's so racist when it comes to gypsies when our country could use their culture in turism since it's really rich in traditions. our school system sucks and the religion has alot of power over people .
Let's not forget our corrupted goverment ruled by people with that post-communism syndrome where they stole as much as they could from European Fonds.
Should i mention the hospitals ? You know they are grabage .
Should i mention the hypocrisy ? People being pissed about the garbage on the street but not using a trashbin .. oh the irony.
I'm not saying we didn't get better over time , what i'm saying is that it's too slow for me. I lost my patience , i'm done
>>58770206
You want to elect these illiterate shits to lord over our country and make all our laws..... why?
Vote for our country to stay as far away from EU as possible.
>>58769538
Shit land? We produce the second most agricultural products (USA is first) in the world. I guess that´s in addition to possibly the best warm water port in Europe. Rotterdam gets the lion share of long-distance ships wanting to enter Europe.
In addition to all that we maintain great diplomatic relations with everyone. It´s easy when they all want to use our Rotterdam port though.
>>58770258
wow , i have so many grammar mistakes i should drink bleach
>>58770216
yes you can mine currency,good job retard and it has nothing to do with dinaric mountain range
>>58770295
Bless Holland , we would be dead by now if it weren't for you guys
>>58770389
see this is the time you back him up so that burgers think you actually mine your currency
>>58770389
And why it cant be symbolic? Why do you even care, you want to get rid of our currency anyway. Just like you want to get rid of our country..
>>58770206
>>58770216
>The dinar or denar is a main currency unit in modern circulation in nine mostly-Islamic countries, and has historic use in several more.
>nine mostly-Islamic countries
serbia confirmed kebab
>>58768871
You really are despicable ungrateful pieces of shit
I hope to God we sack you cunts off
Unbelievable
>>58771498
cuck'd
>>58771498
Yous r not doing us any favors, not by a long shot.
I hope to Allah Argentinians make a move soon and officially claim Malvinas from your imperialist grasp so I can laugh at you pieces of shit even more.
>>58762629
>tfw your country pays enough to EU to fund the entirety Luxembourg's EU handouts
>in exchange immigrants, criminals and gypsies get free access across your borders and the rest of EU keep whining about wanting you to lower your standards on food health and safety and so on
>>58772789
Denmark is cool in my book.
Sorry lad, we blame Germany for that.
>>58772787
You're delusional.
>>58773362
cool mugabe m8
>>58772789
Danes must be very smart people.
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