>my country suffered under rightism/leftism, so now I'm on the extreme opposite of the spectrum
Stop it, Latin Americans and eastern Europeans.
>>58341243
I think almost all 4chan users are guilty of this, especially the American ones.
its natural reaction you retarded nigger
>>58341360
It's hilarious. "My city has a Republican/Democrat city council, I've suffered under communism/far right capitalism" is how dramatic a lot of them are.
>>58341419
Doesn't mean it's a healthy reaction.
>>58341603
You say that, but my country isnt ridden with muslims and feminists
>>58341603
It's still better to have that 'mixed' city council than 2 seperate councils which circlejerk over their own ideology and operate independently of each imo.
>>58341704
Typical extremist logic. Resort to a one dimensial analysis of the world. I have Muslim and feminist friends. If that's the trade off I have to make for living in one of the wealthiest countries to ever exist, I'll take it.
>>58341893
>extremist
kek
>be american
>break leg
>take debt for life
????
>>58342028
Things are changing here. Our healthcare system is just like the Dutch one.
>>58342055
Underwater?
>>58342055
>be american
>go to college
>pay debt until you are 47
If you want to use liberal country as example use Norway, not fucking US
>>58342171
I didn't say everything about the Netherlands and America was similar. And paying for taxes for college all your life really isn't that different from paying for a student loan for all your life. Anyways, I like the British system the best for paying for college.
>>58342055
No it isn't retard.
>>58342097
Refuses to service Ukrainians.
>>58342055
You mean obamacare? Because it's not. we're not forcing companies to potentially go bankrupt from 1 sick employee.
If you mean the 'pay a certain fee, and a certain own risk, and the state pays the rest' then yes, it's similar.
>>58342287
The architect for Obama care literally used the Netherlands as an example to emulate.
we've stayed the same since the 2000s pretty much.
it kind of sucks, but putin is a good economist no doubt
>>58341243
>my country suffered under rightism/leftism
And what if my country suffered because of both?
>>58342365
Obamacare needs time to actually become somewhat resemblance of Dutch healthcare and not be shit. Also it needs a public option to truly be similar to it.
>>58343080
>And what if my country suffered because of both?
then you join the winning team
>>58343080
its obviously dependant on the last occupation.
Communism was last so now you are nazi-tier right
>wahhh muh fantasy world was disproven so I need to silence people spreading the word
fuck off berntard
>>58343080
You get out of my swamp and let me hunt in peace.
>>58343198
What did I saw to indicate i was a communist or a Bernie supporter?
>>58343403
talking bad about extreme right wing triggers Poland
>>58341243
Moderates should be killed rEeeEErREEEEE
>>58343745
Poland is far right also
>>58343883
that's why it triggers them
>>58343883
Is Slovakia even a real country?
>>58343948
you tell me
>>58343966
>you tell me
N-no? It's not?
>>58343883
>far right
Hello there, antifa slowvak
>>58344047
thats fine, i think of americans as lower species, good thing its mutual feeling
>>58343829
Moderate, democratic countries have produced the wealthiest and most peaceful societies.
>>58344089
what makes you think im antifa? Are you denying that your country is extremely conservative and right wing oriented?
>>58344047
they got their own flag on 4chan
I guess that's a hint
>>58344149
ReeEEE moderate normies OUT
>>58344183
>what makes you think im antifa?
Because there is an antifa slowvak posting in /v4/ threads on a regular basis and he keeps spouting dumb shit just like you do.
>Are you denying that your country is extremely conservative and right wing oriented?
>extremely
Again with the retarded hyperboles. Do you understand what "extremely" means?
>>58344668
to him wanting to defend your borders and believing in God is extreme
>>58344668
yes i know what that word means, i happen to live in country which somehow managed to be even more right wing than yours
>>58344761
believing in god is fine, not when 90%+ of country does that, that is just retarded
>>58343139
Yes but they are not aggressive towards other nations like Nazis, they just want to live their life
>>58345036
>Yes
No. You have to be a literal retard to seriously compare Piss government to Nazi Germany. Especially you, Hans.
>>58345306
>piss government
I mean, your government is doing badly, but piss government would imply that there's no intentional wrongdoing here, simply incompetence. Wouldn't you say the current polish government is legitimately at least to an extent insane?
>>58341243
I know, right? It's ridiculous how many Brazilians are shifting to the far right nowadays. As if fascism would make our country any better just for being (a LITTLE) different from communism.
>>58346111
fascism is exact opposite of communism lol
>>58346277
Only economically, everything else is pretty much the same.
>>58346277
they're actually pretty similar, ironically enough. If I had to make an analogy, it doesn't matter if the bullet that's killing you is red or black.
>>58346302
>>58346419
Not true, the fact that real communism was never practiced is another matter, but in their definiton they are opposites
>>58346504
>the fact that real communism was never practiced
>>58346504
>real communism was never practiced
i know on a large scale it's true but i want to be the first one to give you a (you)
>>58346504
Nobody cares about definitions. Both are authoritarian, jail/kill dissidents, commit ethnic cleansing, give you almost no free will in your day to day life, etc etc.
>>58346504
meh, I know what you mean by 'real communism', but that in itself was kinda implemented under Lenin. Stalin purged actual communism from the USSR, but yeah.
The irony I meant to point out that emotion-driven is authoritarianism is always seen as the answer, regardless of party.
>>58346559
Main point of communism- no economic classes, elite doesnt exist, wasnt fullfiled at all in USSR
>>58341243
Fucking bastard you must erase this picture ...
Your culture is under a ape
Let's play that game where we each name a nation whose communist times didn't end or start with genocide.
...
>>58346504
>real communism was never practiced
Damn, I didn't know people who aren't brainwashed commies still spreaded this lie.
>>58346277
Nah. To the people, both are effectively authoritarian, oppressive regimes where higher-ups live comfortably off their people's misery. How you brand it doesn't really matter much.
>>58346734
emotionally-driven authoritarianism*
>>58346905
>nation under communist times
cuba?
>>58346905
show me one country where communism as defined by marx was practiced
>>58346769
points of communist manifesto were supposed to lead to that state
they didn't? oh well, let's try again, it wasn't real communism after all :^)
>>58346995
>my special form of communism has never been tried
>>58346905
also
>Let's play that game where we each name a nation whose communist times didn't end or start with genocide.
Czechoslovakia
>>58347023
there is only one form of communism you idiot, just because some people call themselves communist doesnt mean they are
>>58346995
The URSS.
Read: >>58347017
>>58346905
The point of this thread is that both far right and far left regimes killed a lot of people out of ideology. I don't think people are defending the USSR/China/etc here.
>>58344761
Maybe the rest of Europe should protect their borders from the Polish hordes too.
>>58342996
>but putin is a good economist no doubt
>>58347077
>Literally dictator leading country
>Communism
>>58347017
>that picture
You're using a select few countries to represent capitalism. In plenty of capitalist countries in the third world, certain people had rights to own property restricted or didn't have them at all. Such as in apartheid South Africa where blacks couldn't own more than one business. I'm not defending communism though. Memes are just a shit form of conveying a message.
>>58347077
>>58347017
you do realize he is right and you're talking shit?
>lead to the state
no, that would be state capitalism. Marxist socialism is different - it'd be based on incentives rather than big brother's watchful eye. Marx, more than anything else, laid out a framework of analysis of what's going wrong in terms of labor & capital, and indicated that this could lead to something like a dictatorship of the proletariat, ceteris paribus. Nowhere does he claim that the best ideas for the future are to collectivize production into an authoritarian state teat that individuals then suck on. It's a technicality, but he's right.
That being said, communism as is applicable in yesteryear's terms had to be based on authoritarianism, which kind of sucked dick.
>>58347193
Stop trying too hard, Slovakia. No one's gonna fall. Communism is shit, all hail free market.
>>58347419
Trying to do what? Educate you so you dont sound ignorant?
>>58347386
marxist communism can't exist
we could discuss fairytales too but there would be no use in doing so
>>58344094
at least they can say "fuck the state" without being arrested and murdered
>>58347419
>free market
don't do this to me brazil
what is a free market? Please define free market, or forever realize that it doesn't exist either and is literally the flip side to communism in terms of actual applicability.
>>58347483
the stigma associated with him really needs to be broken, it's detrimental for economics otherwise
>>58347522
Every 1st world country can, thats not a big achievement
>>58347419
What is the free market? I've never met an advocate of them who said that a true free market ever existed. It's confusing to me.
>>58341704
Yet
>>58347673
and forever
>>58347524
>>58347626
Ireland - 500 bc ~ 1600 ac
>>58342463
>healthcare plan
>made by an architect
No wonder it's shitty
>>58347626
there is no such thing as a free market. Neo-liberal economics is a useful tool, yet basing all of your thought on it is ridiculous. It makes the same sort of superhuman assumptions that marxist economics makes. Honestly, it bothers the fuck out of me that neo-classical economics is accepted as orthodox theory whilst marxism is shunned despite the fact that they both have significant shortcomings.
>>58347626
lolbertarian wet dream that doesn't exist
>>58347749
>pre-industrial revolution
>writes those two lines out and posts them
RREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>58347765
Marx is still very respected in sociology.
Das Kapital was a tremendous work. You don't have to be a communist to acknowledge that.
>>58347945
No, I don't. Das Kapital is pretty important if you want to analyze anything after 1871 I'd say.
In economics sadly, he isn't. What's even worse is that economists that aren't neo-classical are marginalized regardless of what they are.
Are you studying sociology then?
>>58347193
t. Antifa Slovak
>>58345788
>Wouldn't you say the current polish government is legitimately at least to an extent insane?
Let me know if you find a government that isn't.
Yes, of course it is, Kaczyński is a power-hungry manlet, and there's plenty of wackos in his party. I didn't vote for PiS and I don't like PiS. But calling his goverment a dictatorship is just silly.
>>58347419
>tax havens
>inequality
>corruption
>economic crises that follow unsustainable development
these are inherent qualities of capitalism.
All hail indeed
>>58347945
Yes, he's one of the most influent in Sociology, but a fucking joke in economics, mainly after the acknowledgment of Menger, Cantillon, Turgot and Bohm-Bawerk works by the economic-academic community.
>>58348150
nope, and even if i was him, my point still stands
Jesus Christ what have I started, I'm so sorry everybody.
>>58348182
>tax havens
Tax is useless, and would be of better use in the hand of the tax-payers, especially in the hand of the poors. After all, politicians are parasites.
>inequality
Base and natural state of human race, i see no problem.
>corruption
>capitalism
>not statism
Are you retard? Fucking commie.
>economic crises that follow unsustainable development
Normal, there's no "forever crisis". Usually is the state is the cause and the creator of long-term crisis by interfering in the market.
>>58348387
>Thinking you can have a civilised conversation about politics in current year
Hey, we got a lot further than if this thread were on /pol/. There were some serious replies.
>>58348404
>Usually is the state is the cause and the creator of long-term crisis by interfering in the market
Lmao, this is exactly it!
>no true free market can fail
>we need less regulations
Exactly like muh communism has never been truly implemented
I won't bother replying to your other points, just a reminder that more equal societies tend to be more stable and with lower crime. You are a free market fundamentalist
>>58348194
>Opens book.
>Learns that the whole system is based on the exploitation of unpaid sources of value.
>"OMG that can't be true!!!!!!!1"
>Never opens it again.
>suffering under the right
lmao
>>58348676
yeah wtf right wing literally never did anything wrong :DDDDDDDDDD
>>58348676
:^)
>>58348676
this
typical golden mean fallacy
>>58348404
>>58348194
>anno domini 2016
>an unironic austrian economist
holy fuck the memes are real
>the state is the cause and the creator of long-term crisest
because exogenous demand and supply shocks wouldn't happen without the state, right?
>homo economicus is a valid assumption
>asymmetric information doesn't exist
>unironically thinking that competition can exist without state intervention in today's economy
>>58348676
DINDU
NUFFIN
>>58348813
Man, don't be so harsh. It's devastating for Brazilian right-wingers to have their illusions destroyed by an European.
>>58343198
Fuck off retard. We will make murica communist. Stick to worrying about your own shithole country, not ours.
>>58349084
Is Integralist strand still relevant in Brazilian right?
>>58349084
there's so much about his post that legitimately grinds my gears though
my bad I guess
>>58349207
There is no more Integralism in Brazil.
>>58349207
Not really, but neo-fascist thinking abounds (Google "Bolsonaro"). The right-wingers I'm referring to are the "free-market" fanatics though.
>>58349143
enjoy your venezuela faggot
>>58348404
Why are there so may retarded liberarians from brazil? How does that shit get popular in your country?
>>58349344
Because the current regime is legitimately shit. So instead of taking a nuanced stance while evaluating what went wrong to learn from their mistakes, a lot of people just go all the way to the other end of the spectrum.
>>58349344
"That's the way it's done in the US. If we do that, we'll be just like them!"
>>58349327
>>58349344
And I'm stating to notice the polish are like that too.
>>58349344
oh fuck off, some people like books, and if they wish to work with them it's totally fine
>>58347017
WUT?
>>58349327
Venezuela kicks the shit out of free market 1930's soup kitchen era America any day.
R.I.P. Chavez, hero to his people. And don't give me that "ive talked to actual venezuelans who confirmed the 60 gorillion suppressed by chavez".
When socialism arrives to a nation, all the parasites start to emigrate from it. Why else would they hate Chavez so much? Because he was an obstacle to their parasitic activities.
>>58349779
yeah, fuck this parasitic toilet paper!!! tell it like it is comerade!!!
>>58349779
All the people who could leave (the 1%), left because nobody wants to live in a socialist hellhole. The rest were stuck.
The only successful socialist nation ever was Gaddafi's Libya and we destroyed it.
>>58351217
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Gadaffi under Libya was only somewhat decent because they had oil (which was pretty much totally owned by Gadaffi and his family) and weren't full blown commies. We did not start the process of overthrowing Gadaffi, Libyans themselves did that, we mostly protected them so they could be more effective against government forces.
