Why most "celtic" countries\regions rarely aknowledge Galicia as an important celtic region?
>>58321027
Galicia is not celtic, we are galicians.
t. galician
It doesn't make them dream.
You just ruining their celtic story telling, it's rude.
>>58321065
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nE9rJF53cc
I'm sorry but you guys have the hugest celtic influence in Iberia and are one of the most important celtic regions
t. Minhoto
>>58321117
>It doesn't make them dream
What?
>You just ruining their celtic story telling, it's rude
How am i ruining their celtic story telling?
>>58321027
Literally where?
>>58321848
>Spends his holidays in Spain troughout his life
>Still doesn't know where Galicia is located
Truly burger-tier
>>58321164
>What?
>How am i ruining their celtic story telling?
They saw Brave Heart and Highlander on tv, they don't want someone to remind them that Juan or Pedro also have celtic roots.
>>58321887
>Still doesn't know where Galicia is located
Let's keep it that way. English are awful people.
>>58321887
they are the worst people in Spain, ignorants and criminals....
>>58321984
Ah yes. I forgot that if they realise that "mexicans" are celtic too they would be forced to accept said mexicans into St. Patricks day celebration.
Almost arabs.
>>58322128
t. Umayaad Al-Andalusi
>>58322129
St. Patrick is a good example of all this nonsense.
It is supposed to be a catholic irish fest.
But now it's just a pretext to wear green hats and drink yourself retarded all around the world.
>>58322328
They also listen to true old school celtic music my friend:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1NZcH2haIM
We all know that Celts were into oi punk back then
>>58322493
Well, I can't criticize the celts enthousiasm.
I am a norman, our culture was about attacking England, piss the french king and make cream and cheese.
No fancy music or beer fest.
Galicia, Norte and Asturias are Celtic.
Why do you care so much about having their confirmation? Fuck their opinion, it means nothing.
>>58322779
Shhh.
I wanted to start a subtle celtic thread
>>58321119
the north of portugal has more celtic influence tho...
>>58323059
Post proof please
t. minhoto
>>58322166
umayyad did reach way more than that though
Because Poortugal is the poorest country in Western Europe and rich people want to be associated with poor people.
>>58323140
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castro_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Bronze_Age
The celts were mostly settled in north of portugal
>>58323196
That makes no sense.
>>58321027
You mean the region that had Suevi as aristocracy?
also:
Catalonia = Goth + Alan -ia
Andalusia = Wandal (Polish) + Os (Alan) -ia
>>58323059
>>58323140
Dont make this a "who is more celtic" thread.
Norte, Galicia and Asturias were all part of gallaecia, thus they are both equally celtic.
Remember: Visigoth infighting invited the muslims to Iberia, Visigoth nobles of the Ebro region converted to Islam.
>>58323387
>Catalonia = Goth + Alan -ia
>Andalusia = Wandal (Polish) + Os (Alan) -ia
>>58323454
and that's barely one of the few good thing they did
>>58323454
Muslims were the best thing that happened in Iberia. Visigoths were just barbarian scum.
>>58323454
>Germanics being cucks.
>As is tradition
>>58323682
Sadly, this is true.
The moors were indeed much more advanced.
>>58323744
Only problem with moors was their culture that was based in scheming, backstabing and so on... They didn't have a sense of "pride" and "honour" that was common troughout europe.
>>58323625
Look it up yourself, the origin of the names Catalonia and Andalusia are as I said.
>>58323921
>their culture that was based in scheming, backstabing and so on... They didn't have a sense of "pride" and "honour" that was common troughout europe
the propaganda is strong in you
>>58323921
so, much like the former Germanic aristocracy you'd say?
>>58323996
More like british aristocracy to be honest
>>58323921
The only problem with the Moors.
Was Islam.
>>58323921
>>58324057
Be said Germanic not German.
And Brits are germanic, so he didnt lie.
>>58324103
This
>>58323951
>Al-Andalus
>Polish and Alan
>>58324142
Brits aren't germanic.
They actually have many influences from all around europe.
>>58324325
So does everyone.
No one is purely X.
>>58324142
brits are mostly french and probably almost as iberian as germanic
>>58324245
>Implying Al-Andalus is not "Land of the Vandals" in Arabic.
Because when people picture Celts they think of potato niggers etc
>>58324325
>They actually have many influences from all around europe.
>>58324428
>brits are mostly french and probably almost as iberian as germanic
Nope
>>58324245
God Iberian people are so stupid... no wonder you let yourselves be cucked by a Germano-Slavic aristocracy who represented at most 1-2% of the total population.
As I said: look it up yourselves, and feel the shame. My source is Gregory of Tours. You will find his work translated into English at archive.org
>>58324142
>And Brits are germanic, so he didnt lie.
Brits are at least 50% Celtic. How many Germanics you think crossed the channel?
Also, for those wwho think the Germanics slaughtered the Celts: they were the aristocracy, if they woyld slaughter the natives, who would produce food for them, and who would be their household slaves?
Lrn2history before embarrasing yourselves.
>>58324428
Brits are mixutre between Celtic, Germanic and Latin.
>>58321027
Cause the Celtic Nations spoke had alive Celtic languages when they started calling themselves Celtic Nations. Which Galicia did not.
A fair bunch of people from Celtic Nations recognize Galician as a region with links with them.
>>58321027
because a celtic language wasn't spoken there in modern times
>>58323190
Abdul needs self esteem bist it seems
>>58324513
I never said britts were not Celtic, Mr
strawman.
>>58324513
>God Iberian people are so stupid...
>When replying to a Brazilian
Bravo.
>>58324665
Well he is at least pseudo-Iberian.
I was trying to save your people a bit. Read Gregory of Tours goddammit, it contains an important part of your volksnational history.
>>58324547
>>58324530
This.
"Territories in north-western Iberia—particularly Galicia, Northern Portugal and Asturias; sometimes referred to as Gallaecia, which includes North-Central Portugal and Northern Spain—are sometimes included in the Celtic league due to their culture and history.[4] Unlike the others, however, no Celtic language is spoken there in modern times.[4][5][6]"
>Straight outta Wikipédia
>>58324716
>Brazil
>pseudo-Iberian
>>58324716
>Well he is
If you made a mistake, just admit it, dont be a kid.
>>58324716
>>58324513
When doing researches about subjects you shouldn't stick to a sole source. So my advice for you is to read more about the etymology of "Andalusia" name, before spilling bs like a know-it-all.
>>58324665
I am indeed descendant of galegos and transmontanos, that's why I bothered to reply to this thread.
>>58324936
He was right about Andalusia though.
Spain named Andalusia after the Arabic Al-Andalus, HOWEVER Al-Andalus is named after Vandalusia which means "Land of the Vandals".
>>58324936
M8 from a contemporary source, supported by historical facts, we know 100% that Catalonia is derived from Goth-Alania, and after Visigoths and Alans had a conflict and by a fight kicked the Alans out, the Alans joined the Vandals to conquer Andalusia - Wandal + Os (syn. to Alan, cf. modern Ossetia, also Iazyges, Jaz Hungarians). M8 you can't learn me much about historical research or scientific method, believe me.
>>58325033
No it means "Land of the Vandals and Alans". Their king also titled himself "King of the Vandals and Alans".
It"'s ust that Vandalalania doesn't sound right. Alans have been using the term Os to name themselves since the late iron age. So it became Vandal-Os-ia (analoguous to Goth-Alan-ia).
(Also eg. Kattegat in Sweden, the Viking port, refers to Goth-gat (gat=port), there are lots of cat-, cot- settlements even today in Eastern Europe and previous Goth territory, learn2toponymy ffs)
>>58325226
I backed you up and get all sheeky smartass on me?
Well fuck of mate. I've got more important things to do than learing fucking toponomy.
>>58325033
>HOWEVER Al-Andalus is named after Vandalusia which means "Land of the Vandals".
This is debatable and that's my point. There are other authors with different claims. So making this an affirmative is careless to say that least.
>>58325341
That spelling though...
Thats what you get when you type while wiping your ass.
>>58325226
vandals and alans were diferent groups until they ended in north africa, they weere in different zones in iberia too
probably it only refers to Vandals since they were who was controlling the southern part
>>58325410
There is a theory that says that the word Andalusia might be derived from Atlantis.
>>58325341
No m8 I misquoted, sorry, it isn't a personal attack
>>58325410
It is not debatable as Gregory of Tours, who lived in the days of the Goth, Vandal and Alan conquest of Iberia, literally states that they named THEIR country as such: GOTHALANIA and later (when Goth and Alans got into fights, and Alans joined Vandals): WANDALOSIA
>>58325341
Don't be so touchy btw. Toponymy is worth looking into. You'll learn a lot about your ancestors and the history of your country by ust learning the basics of toponymy.
>>58325410
>There are other authors with different claims
There are always other authors with different claims, it doesn't make them more credible though.
Any decent scholar will agree with what Gregory of Tours literally stated (and confoirmed many times by others).
You'll always find some "modern scholar" who out of nationalism or multiculti-sjw motives tries to provide shoddy alternative theories that do not make much sense. Example: that Celts did not perform human sacrifices on an almost-Aztec level, but this was propaganda by (many) Greco-Roman writers (dispersed over almost a millenium) because they were jealous of Celts "advanced culture". Yeah right. This is a classic example of modern revisionism. Compare with the bitch who claimed in the late 70s that cannibalism never existed but was invented by imperialist white Europeans to have a good reason to invade and colonize. Stay away from these fucknuts.
>>58325448
Of course they were different groups. Instead of quoting wikipedia why don't you guys look into the actual original sources? Too lazy?
First Visigoths and Alans fought together to take "Goth-Alania". But after a while they got into a conflict and decided to solve it their best fighter against Alan best fighter. Alans lost, so had to move. They joined up with the Vandals, and conquered Valdal-Os-ia, where they settled as aristocracy.
Later they got kicked out, and both Vandals and Alans conquered North Africa, todays Tunisia, where they settled their kingdom.
It's all in Gregory of Tours. Read that instead of fucking Wikipedia you stupid goyim.
>>58325448
>probably it only refers to Vandals since they were who was controlling the southern part
No it doesn't. It refers to Vandals and Alans, they both conquered and controlled the region. Read Gregory of Tours and you'll find everything in there.
>>58325478
>There is a theory that says that the word Andalusia might be derived from Atlantis.
There is a theory that elves live inside my rectum..
>>58325448
All the tribes on your little map represent only 1-2% of the total population, I hope you realize that.
Man, /int/ is better than /his/ (full of sjw murricans without a clue), but still... you need to learn a lot.
OK nobody wants to answer anymore, and probably think I'm the dick, ok, I'm leaving. I hope maybe one of you will take the effort to research a primary or secondary source instead of quoting and requoting wikipedia and David Icke-tier theories.
It's not that I feel I'm better than you, it's just that it gets frustrating after a while to see how people can't see the obvious facts even if toponymy is slapping them in the face.
Of well, viddy well, vandaloids.
>>58322328
St. Patricks is celebrated by all Christian churches in Ireland, he existed before the reformation. Anyway, youa re right. It was the american's who used it as an excuse for celebrating cultural identity and now its just an excuse for selling alcohol and shaming yourself and your nation
>>58325556
>>58325699
>>58325883
>>58326117
>>58326167
>>58326216
>>58326390
This guy unironically took over the entire thread alone.
>7 fucking replies on a row
>>58326390
>>58326117
>>58326167
>>58326390
of course, romans didn't dissappeared
and I didn't take it from Wikipedia
if there is no consensus about the origin it's because none of them are 100% sure to be true
my point is that you don't need alans to create Andalucia
Vandali -> Vandalus -> Vandalus-ia
and the other anon talking about Atlantis is not that wrong since arabs took the greek writings and already knew about Atlantis and thought that it would be there since Plato located it in southwestern iberia
>>58326614
>Inb4, 3 Belgian (you)'s
>>58326117
>Read that instead of fucking Wikipedia you stupid goyim.
kek, good luck, Wikipedia says that Galicia was celtic even if it was Murguia the first to claim so in the 19th century to support his supremacist ideas. But don't tell them to read history books written by actual historians.
>>58326614
God is helping me to enlighten you. You probably hate me, but I mean well. Learn about your past.
>>58326682
Not that anon but what if i'm a converted kike?
The horror!
>>58326682
Spare me the light.
I am pagan.
black people should not celebrate Halloween, it's cultural appropriation from celts
Mise le meas,
Anon
>>58322166
Poor Basques...
>>58326747
>converted kike
disgusting
>>58326446
t. Abu Rasheed al-Rotherham
>>58326651
No it is well documented by people actually living in that age and writing it up. I am almost begging you to read those sources, they are available for free on archive.com. Don't be a lazy fuck who wants to have "alternative" esoteric bullshit theories.
Catalonia = Goth + Alan -ia
Andalusia = Vandal + Os -ia
No discussion. No "alternative theories". It is well documented, point finale.
Please don't mention Atlantis again as I feel like going out and murdering a random Spanish tourist when you do that. Please, Plato lived long before, centuries before, the name Andalusia (Vandal-Os-ia) became a thing. We are talking 5th century AD here. We still have a linear sense of time, do we?
>>58326778
Samhein is not Halloween
Blacks absolutely need to fuck off though desu
>>58326753
>I am pagan.
>>58326836
Yes it is.
Being a converted kike is the lowest of the low. I think it ties with being a poo in the loo
>>58326747
Nothing wrong with kikes, at least they acknowledge human intelligence as the most profound gift of God. Use it pls.
>>58326893
Ponyfags are Fedora'd
Atheists are Fedora'd
White knights are Fedora'd
Socialists are Fedora'd
Nazis are Fedora'd
"IQ fags" are Fedora'd
Gamers are Fedora'd
"Fite me irl" fags are Fedora'd
Pagans are Federa'd
You guys dont even know what Fedora means anymore you just spamm the meme whenever someone doeant share your opinion.
>>58326961
I don't know. All kikes that i met in my life were all a bunch of sissies. Most of them were ultra-sensitive while being very arrogant.
A combo that gets on the nerves of everyone
>>58326753
Go and sacrifice some humans then, just like in the days before christianity.
Or like a true Celt, take your sword, enter the sea, and slay those waves until you drown; because coming out alive would be a sign of weakness.
No good and bad in the christian sense: only strong = good, so slay away. That was paganism. The only remainder we have today is superstition. Go and date and Ukrainian girl if you want to know what real superstition is, and thus how pagan people used to think and act.
tip: tread on her left foot and walk away.
>>58327058
Fedora is applied to edgy statements.
Paganism is quite childish and edgy so it's normal to use the fedora meme in this situation
>>58326877
I just said that moor knew about the legend of Atlantis
of course I don't believe in that hypothesis since the vandal one is clearly more documented and more logical
and no, there are many hypothesis for a reason
it's just than the +os sufix seems a bit forced while Vandals alone are enough to form the word
>>58326778
Anythiong Celtic without slaying humans as a sacrifice to the gods is laughable. Ireland, Isle of Man and Scotland have left a copious amount of legends and superstitions clearly referring to the almost Aztec-level of human sacrificing that was the norm back them. In the countryside up to the 18th century in some extreme cases, human sacrifice was offered to catholic saints. If that isn't a clear sign of how it was in the past... In the Isle of Man the altars used to run red with human blood until a river of blood entered the sea, as a present for the sea god Mannana mac Lir (the god of my far-ancestral Belgae tribe the Menapii, who colonised parts of Ireland, Wales Man and Mona/Anglesey. Again toponymy is our witness today).
>>58327095
>Sacrifice humans
>Implying all pagans sacrifice humans.
>Ignoring the fact of monotheistic religions caused the slaughtering of millions of incents.
>Being this fucking ignorant
Also:
>Implying I am a Celtic Pagan
>>58327147
>Paganism is childish and edgy
Says you.
Its the same shit as any other religion, I have the right to believe in whatever I want .
>>58327264
There is nothing forced abotut the +Os suffix. Vandalalania doesn't have that sound to it, and Vandalia was sufficient. Os has been used repeatedly for Sarmatian tribes throughout history.
A good reading tip for you if this interests you;
http://bookzz.org/book/649945/1bb629
The Sarmatians 600 BC-AD 450
Richard Brzezinski, Gerry Embleton
The name Os is even in use today with the descendants of the Alans in the Caucasus: the Ossetians.
Jaz, Joz, As, Os: Jazi, Iazyges, Aorsi, Ossi, Roxolani... again there are numerous examples in toponymy today wherever Alans settled themselves. Alainville in France is obvious, Ossegem is maybe less to you but is documented and archeologically supported.
They established the kingdom together. Gregory of Tours (again) literally states this, and how they chose this name (and how they chose Goth-Alania/Catalonia before)
>>58326891
it is tbqh, Halloween is a misnomer
>>58327275
>that obsession with sacrifices
Truly abrahamic tier desu
>>58327417
*yawn* a modern paganist.
Look m8, human sacrifice was one of the most beautiful and powerful acts a real pagan, of olden days, could perform. You are using christian morals to defend paganism, I hope you get that. Animal or human sacrifice was nothing bad to a Celtic, Germanic or Slavic pagan, quite on the contrary.
>>58323744
Only because they brought the knowledge they stole from others. Muslims were so advanced that they burned knowledge books during their fake Golden Age for being un-Islamic and claimed that time and space didn't exist because Allah, piss be upon him, was infinite or some shit.
I'm glad we kicked the Moors out.
>>58327695
But I am neither of those faggot.
I am Greco-Roman Pagan.
And the romans never sacrificed any humans to please the gods.
Offerings? Yes.
Animal sacrifices? Sometimes.
Human Sacrifices? Never.
>>58327738
>Stole
Preserved*
As much as you'd not like to admit it, the Islamic world preserved everything from the old world (greece, roman empire) and kept tabs on it while Europeans were in the dark ages.
>>58327641
>"Neopaganist" romantic
Should you actually study the pagan beliefs and practices of old, and try to place yourself in their world and their mindset, you'd see that the obsession with sacrifices is VERY Indo-European-pagan, much more than Abrahamic. Sacrificing was something very straight-forward those days, and human sacrifices were the most beautiful. People weren't even afraid to offer theirselves as sacrifice, just like in the Aztec culture. Paganism all over have pretty much the same characteristics. Hence it was easy for eg. Celtic pagans to adopt Roman or Germanic pagan practices, and their holy sites were respected as equally holy by the enemy warriors. There are many, many evidences for that, I actually haavee visited plenty of those sites in my own country, and toponymy provides a lot of hints to them (saints liek St-Peter, St-Andreas, St-Michel in the name of an old settlement = previous pagan holy site 90% of the time).
But I will not romanticize paganism in order to make it look as sometime decent, humane and a viable religious alternative. Modern "pagans" are enormous faggots, the ancient pagans would have laughed at them.
No paganism without the beauty of human sacrifice. Would you offer yourself to the gods as a thank offer for a good harvest? The old ones would have gladly done so. What about the modern faggots?
>>58328012
This is very true, they also preserved many buddhist texts and the works of greek philosophers.
>>58328113
I don't know. Ask Varg Autismo Vikernes if he is willing to give his life for the gods.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAetDRkTcxo
>>58327848
>I am Greco-Roman Pagan.
>And the romans never sacrificed any humans to please the gods.
True, because they were a lot ahead in civilisation. They had actual cities built in stone, to say something.
I love Greco-Roman mythology too, really. I was maybe too hard on you in the last post, I know what you mean when you say you love Greco-Roman mythos. There is a huge pedagogic element, next to a philosophical-enabling element, as their gods acted pretty much like humans do, the only difference being that they are immortal.
Still, they looked down upon all the barbarian races that did practice human sacrificing, and the civilised one like the Carthagers that did (yes they really did, they were Phoenicians, worshipped Baal, and sacrificed infants to him. Romantic revisionists fuck off)
Did you know for example that the Romans only banned to religions? Romans were very tolerant to other religions, the only two that were banned were: Celtic paganism (druidism) and christianity.
Celtic paganism was banned in 80 BC because the Romans found it too barbaricly violent. Yes the same Romans who watched gladiators etc. Because druids would cut open some guy and "read" from his screams, his dying spasms, the way his entrails and blood flowed from his insides etc what the future would bring and whatnot. The Romans deemed it a too sickining sight, and persecuted the druids all over Gauls for it. It only survived in the border regions (Belgium, NL, England) for a couple of centuries.
The second one that was illegak was christianity. Only because christians refused to acknowlodge the divinity of the Roman emperor. Jew did acknowledge that, and were tolerated in Greece and Roman, in fact Greeks and Jews became good friends and many Greeks converted to Judaism. But christians refused on several occasions to do say, and were persecuted only for that.
>>58328113
tl;dr
>>58327275
>Ireland, Isle of Man and Scotland have left a copious amount of legends and superstitions clearly referring to the almost Aztec-level of human sacrificing that was the norm back them.
which legends
>>58328593
I see.
So much for the "celts are such flowery hippies" that people romanticize so much
>>58328593
Thanks man.
Thanks for actually trying to understand me instead of posting fedoras.
>>58328012
True, but we don't have to blame the germanic tribes for that, but instead the orthodox-catholic christians. The latter considered reading books written by pagan authors "dangerous" that you might turn into a pagan by reading their books, and they were the ones that ultimately destroyed a lot of the classic works.
I will never forgibe the Church for destroying both Titus Livius' and Sulpicius Alexander's great works on the Germanic tribes. Just because they weren't christian authors.
The only exception were the Irish catholics, who preserved a lot, next to the early muslims. The muslims always translated with the original text preserved, they would put the translation on the left page and the original greek text on the right. It is thanks to the muslims that we have the Greek texts nowadays.
OF course this was in an early stage of Islam, before the fundamentalist, literal interpretation became common in the 13th century and lasted until now. The result was that the islamic states became so reactionary, that in the 18/19th century they were still living like in the middle ages, without any progress whatsoever.
>>58328661
If you suffer from ADD and like to be an idiot, I don't care.
Is there any reaction more childish and more proud-to-be-a-retard than "tl;dr" ?
>>58328963
why the islamic states became so reactionary?
>>58328712
I can name you a few if you want, but I have to look them up in my books so it'll take 10-15 minutes. Still interested?
>>58328735
Who's romanticising Celts as being flowery hippies? If anything it tends to proud warrior race memery
>>58329225
It depends. Hippies and leftists generally romanticise celts as flowery and somewhat fairy like while /pol/acks and right wingers see them as that proud warrior race meme
>>58328735
Exactly!! I have Celtic heritage too, yet why would that bother me to state the truth about the ancient Celts: they were pagans who slaughtered humans as sacrifical cattle with pleasure, including their own people. What was good & bad in those days is not the same as today, many people do not want to realise that.
>>58328774
I am glad there are still people like you who are passionate about such things. Never change m8.
>>58329176
what books
>>58329101
It was a development in their religious thinking. The first two centuries of islam, it was meant to be a religion for Arabs only. And the Koran got written much later, it took 1-2 centuries after Mohammed's death, this together with the hadith (traditions).
Just as with christianity, in the early days there existed a lot of different interpretations, people who sought to connect the new belief with Christianity, Hellenism (neoplatonism), Zoroastrism in Iran etc... All these different interpretations became antagonistic towards each other, one of them was a very literal interpretation, what we today refer to as wahabbism-salafism. This in the end dominated, and as it was more suited to be a mechanism to maintain power, it lasted. In Islam thre existed a lot of heresies too. The Bosnians for example, who at first were Christian heretics similar to the french Cathars, when they all converted to Islam by the early 16th century, formed a Cathar-like heresy within Islam, which was rooted out by the Ottomans very quickly.
Some people say the early Christian period was "the purest one", but there were lots of widely differing views, eg. gnosticism and arianism. The same happened with islam in its early days.
>>58329463
The ones in my personal library of course. I'll type up some Irish, Scottish and Manx stories regarding (human) sacrifice for you, wait a moment.
>>58329685
I see.
You know a lot about this stuff. Are you pursuing history in college or something like that?
On Celtic human sacrifice
>Human sacrifice in Gaul was put down by the Romans, who were amazed at its extent, Suetonius summing up the whole religion in a phrase--druidarum religionem diræ immanitatis.
>By the year 40 A.D. it had ceased, though victims were offered symbolically, the Druids pretending to strike them and drawing a little blood from them.
>Only the pressure of a higher civilisation forced the so-called philosophic Druids to abandon their revolting customs. Among the Celts of Britain human sacrifice still prevailed in 77 A.D.
>Dio Cassius describes the refinements of cruelty practised on female victims (prisoners of war) in honour of the goddess Andrasta--their breasts cut off and placed over their mouths, and a stake driven through their bodies, which were then hung in the sacred grove.
>Tacitus speaks of the altars in Mona (Anglesey) laved with human blood. As to the Irish Celts, patriotic writers have refused to believe them guilty of such practices, but there is no a priors reason which need set them apart from other races on the same level of civilisation in this custom. The Irish texts no doubt exaggerate the number of the victims, but they certainly attest the existence of the practice. From the Dindsenchas, which describes many archaic usages, we learn that "the firstlings of every issue and the chief scions of every clan" were offered to Cromm Cruaich--a sacrifice of the firstborn,--and that at one festival the prostrations of the worshippers were so violent that three-fourths of them perished, not improbably an exaggerated memory of orgiastic rites.
>Dr. Joyce thinks that these notices are as incredible as the mythic tales in the Dindsenchas. Yet the tales were doubtless quite credible to the pagan Irish, and the ritual notices are certainly founded on fact. Dr. Joyce admits the existence of foundation sacrifices in Ireland, and it is difficult to understand why human victims may not have been offered on other occasions also.
>>58329819
No I am a biochemist. I had to choose between studying chemistry or history, I am equally passionate about both.
But naturally biochemistry was more of a certain income provider. So history has become my hobby nowadays. Except that now with the advent of phylogenetics (haplogroups) we can combine exact science with historical research, still in its infancy, hency it is a really interesting period to live in. We'll finally be able to provide conclusive evidence for many uncertainties throughout history.
Late iron age and early middle ages in Europe is my favorite area of study.
>The custom of drinking from the skull of the slain had the intention of transferring his powers directly to the drinker. Milk drunk from the skull of Conall Cernach restored to enfeebled warriors their pristine strength, and a folk-survival in the Highlands--that of drinking from the skull of a suicide (here taking the place of the slain enemy) in order to restore health--shows the same idea at work. [still recorded in the 18th century!]
>Other survivals of animal sacrifice are found in cases of cattle-plague, as in Morayshire [early 19th century], in Wales, Devon, and the Isle of Man. The victim was burned and its ashes sprinkled on the herd, or it was thrown into the sea or over a precipice. Perhaps it was both a propitiatory sacrifice and a scape-animal, carrying away the disease, though the rite may be connected with the former slaying of a divine animal whose death benefited all the cattle of the district. In the Hebrides the spirits of earth and air were propitiated every quarter by throwing outside the door a cock, hen, duck, or cat, which was supposed to be seized by them. If the rite was neglected, misfortune was sure to follow. The animal carried away evils from the house, and was also a propitiatory sacrifice.
More weird sex-related Celtic costums clearly derived from ancient paganism:
(17th century)
>In the Hebrides a curious rite was performed on Maundy Thursday. After midnight a man walked into the sea, and poured ale or gruel on the waters, at the same time singing:
>"O God of the sea,
>Put weed in the drawing wave,
>To enrich the ground,
>To shower on us food."
>Those on shore took up the strain in chorus. Thus the rite was described by one who took part in it a century ago, but Martin, writing in the seventeenth century, gives other details. The cup of ale was offered with the words, "Shony, I give you this cup of ale, hoping that you will be so kind as to send plenty of seaweed for enriching our ground for the ensuing year." All then went in silence to the church and remained there for a time, after which they indulged in an orgy out-of-doors.
>This orgiastic rite may once have included the intercourse of the sexes--a powerful charm for fertility. "Shony" was some old sea-god, and another divinity of the sea, Brianniul, was sometimes invoked for the same purpose. Until recently milk was poured on "Gruagach stones" in the Hebrides, as an offering to the Gruagach, a brownie who watched over herds, and who had taken the place of a god
I can go on until tomorrow morning, the Celtic world is full of these paganoid weird rituals, and often you clearly see the moment where in the old days the human sacrifice was performed.
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>>58331342
I wish I was as autistic as you, man. Truly. Don't even mean to belittle you or anything. It just takes a certain degree of autism to actually find interest in shit like this, I think. Holy shit.
>>58321027
Because Galicians look like this guy.
Celtic people would not associate swarthy people as their own.
>>58331342
I can now imagine how 4chan in that time would work.
>fuckin normies are in my yard again having an orgy
>trips decide wich weapon i use to chop of their heads
>>58331967
Not really true. A few Irish and Welsh have a swarthy complexion, it happens.
>>58331967
We are mixed but swarthy galicians are pretty common.
>>58331491
I know m8, still,, I find pleasure in my autism. I've tried other ways of life, had a long relationship even, they all failed, I'm alone and the only thing that gives me pleasure is immersing and losing myself in old documents and trying to see the old days come alive in front of me.
Thanks for your compliment. And I think it's great that you have a keen interest in Greco-Roman mythology, people like that are rare nowadays, I'm sure you'll find many enlightening moments from pursuing it.
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Not meant to be a fedora-pun btw, I meantt what I said
>>58332815
We know that
Because outside of /int/ the average person in the "Celtic countries" don't consider themselves celtic just as the average Dutchman or Dane doesn't consider themselves "Germanic". A Welshman thinks of himself as Welsh, a Scot thinks of himself as a Scot and an Irishman thinks of himself as Irish. This Celtic identity is simply a label to slap across all of these cultures combined because they share some characteristics. The reason Galicia, Asturias and Norte get excluded often is because their Celtic language is well and truly dead as opposed to Brittany and the likes where the language is not dead but still a minority even though their Celtic culture may still exist very much.
