Is Netherlands a Anglo Country? or a Germanic country? and Why They are so Tall?
>>58310246
Anglos are Germanic too, and the Netherlands is a germanic country. Only the Northern part of Great Britian is not Anglo but Celtic
>>58310246
They are tall to compensate that the country is below the sea level.
>>58310333
This desu
Everybody and nobody is Germanic btw
>>58310246
They're tall to make up for their 95% probability of premature balding.
>>58310246
Anglos are Germanic
The Dutch are a retarded German child
>>58310296
But I think the Dutch are more similar to English. I mean their language.
>>58310333
Maybe.
>>58310394
Actually Dutch sounds like a mix of German and English. I don't speak Dutch but I can somewhat understand them, and if I speak German with them they can understand me too
>>58310492
german and dutch only separated as languages somewhere around the late medieval era, they're still relatively close
>>58310246
>dat horrible anglicised Korean spelling of Den Haag
be ashamed
>>58310246
The short ones drowned
>>58310246
>Is Netherlands a Anglo Country?
gross, no
>or a Germanic country?
yes
>nd Why They are so Tall?
calcium and protein
>tfw 5'11
Kill me now desu fampai
>>58311044
I wanted to try the Dutch.
>>58310246
>Is Netherlands a Anglo Country?
No.
>or a Germanic country?
Ya
>and Why They are so Tall?
Dairy, potato, vegetable and meat in just the right amounts..
>>58310384
No, some of us just grow past our hairlines m8..
>>58310394
English is nothing like Dutch. English like like a Germanic, stripped off all it's character and grammer rules... No genders, no formal form, no 4-syllable words that don't come from either French or Latin.
>>58310492
Newsreader-German and people speaking Newsreader-Dutch will probably understand each other quite well.. Dialects muddy the water heavily though, unless the dialects in question are from geographically close locations...
>>58311085
Then explain all the Arabs in my city, anon.
Dutch is pretty hit-or-miss for me. I lurk nederdraad sometimes and there are posts I get completely, while others are just gibberish to me.
Do people learn German in school?
>>58311227
What? Do you want to try learning Dutch? What do you want to try?
>>58311358
>Do people learn German in school?
Ja, aber nicht viele leute specialisieren im die Deutsche zahl... My german is shit, and your language is hideiously complicated at times.
>Tenses
Fick das.
>>58310246
Anglo is germanic. And the closest language to English is Frisian which is from the Netherlands
>>58311391
>What? Do you want to try learning Dutch? What do you want to try?
The language. but It was too difficult to learn. and This is a minor language in Europe. So I gave up.
>>58311442
>Frisian which is from the Netherlands
*Friesland
>>58311358
Most of us have mandatory courses in English and German/French (or both) for a couple of years yeah.
>>58311410
>zahl
You bring shame upon our country.
>>58311502
B-But we have Ostfriesland.
B-But Otto is from there.
>>58311553
>You bring shame upon our country.
At least we can pretend to speak German to be honest... I don't think die Deutsche leute can sprech our sprache m80.
>>58311502
Friesland is in the Netherlands
>>58311265
This
>>58311624
So is Limburg, Overijssel, Holland, Zeeland, Drenthe, Brabant and Gelderland. But Frisian isn't from there... A little specificity never hurt anybody.
>>58311624
This. Ostfriesland and North Frisia are memes. Nearly no one speaks Frisian there anymore.
>>58311592
That's true. I can't speak Dutch for shit.
>>58311494
>but It was too difficult to learn
no you were just too lazy, no language us too difficult to learn
>>58311717
According to Wikipedia some do
>>58311782
Dutch is virtually impossible to master for foreigners though, be honest. Unless they're luckty, talented or extremely motivated it will take a generation for foreign immigrants to learn... Sometimes more.
>>58311674
Are we going to be this autistic?
>>58311674
Well, they don't actually speak Dutch as a first language in Guelders, Overijssel, Drenthe, Urk and Groningen either. Low Saxon is preferred in non-formal contexts. And Low Saxon is Ingvaeonic like Frisian and English, and not directly related to Istvaeonic languages like Dutch.
>>58311865
I'm just trying to protect you from bying lynched by Frisians friend..
>>58311442
>And the closest language to English is Frisian which is from the Netherlands
debatable
there's a strong push to have english reclassified as a north germanic language and they have a very solid argument
specifically, check out some of Jan Terje Faarlund's work
>>58311886
Oh well thanks
>>58311841
>dutch is hard meme
no
>>58311900
Yeah i heard that meme too.
>>58311841
>Dutch is virtually impossible to master for foreigners though, be honest
You can learn any language within three years if you try hard enough, I know people who moved here from Israel in their twenties and they speak Dutch fluently.
>it will take a generation for foreign immigrants to learn... Sometimes more.
>Marokkanen
>integreren
>>58311900
>there's a strong push to have english reclassified as a north germanic language
What the fuck. It's clearly related to Jutish, Frisian, Saxon and Scottish. I can't think of a single argument against that.
>>58310386
I'm pretty sure it's the other way around.
>>58311841
What? Do you really think it's impossible? It's ranked as one of the easiest languages to learn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaEZ5_hfEc4
>>58311951
It's literally Norwegians trying to feel relevant.
>>58311900
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Frisian_languages
>Debateable
>>58311930
>meme
except he has evidence to support his claims
e.g,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_infinitive
it does not exist in any other western germanic language, does not exist in old english, frisian(s), etc
it exists in middle english and north germanic languages
>>58311900
>descended from west-germanic saxon
>north germanic
>muh danelaw
>>58312040
I would call english a bastard of Latin and Germanic languages.
It's not a real ethnologic pure language like the holy languages of real germanic languages the languages of gods.
>>58312031
>wikipedia is the ultimate source of information on a topic that is evolving
>>58312040
>What are convergent/analogous developments
>>58312093
>I would call english a bastard of Latin and Germanic languages.
that's the point
the current thought is that it's a west germanic language heavily influenced by other languages
they propose that it's a north germanic language heavily influenced by other languages(esp. old english)
>>58312134
English has a big amount of latin words but the core vocabulary and the grammas are very that of a germanic language.
I think it's clearly closer to North Germanic or Dutch than it is to German.
I wonder if any other Germanic language even has the 4 cases like German does, I feel like we are different.
But to call english a North-Germanic Language is not right since It is too different to them in this case and shows more its own classification.
>>58312130
word order, preposition stranding, group genitive...
>>58312134
> that it's a north germanic language heavily influenced by other languages(esp. old english)
No shit old English influenced middle English. What is the point of your post
>>58312333
take your ADHD meds and read the whole post next time
>>58312245
>I wonder if any other Germanic language even has the 4 cases like German does
Dutch once did, and we technically still have all the 4 cases, though it's considered archaic and only occurs in overly formal speech and proverbs.
>>58312134
>they propose that it's a north germanic language heavily influenced by other languages(esp. old english)
That proposition is beyond retarded though. I suppose French is now Germanic as well due to Franconian influence?
>>58312245
Icelandic
>>58312455
Wow, if Iceland has it than it must be really archaic.
>>58312380
>Dutch once did
How is it subsidized?
I can't imagine a German without cases.
>>58312432
>That proposition is beyond retarded though.
Why is it retarded when english is so radically different from other west german languages?
do you really think German and English should be grouped together?
>>58312557
Yes.
Maybe it's different for you, but for a Dutchman it's not difficult to see that Dutch is somewhere between German and English. Frisian even more so.
>>58312557
Dude, Just compare syntax of German to syntax of English.
If you take Dutch it comes even closer.
I don't think that there can be a doubt that these languages are very related.
Also:
>A North Germanic language heavily infuenced by Old English
It's more Old English with North Germanic Influence
I mean Old English is by far closer to English than Norwegian, Swedish, Danish and Icelandic.
>>58312683
>Dude, Just compare syntax of German to syntax of English.
dumbest post of the year
>>58312550
Here are some expressions and how they would be written in "normal" Dutch.
De heer des huizes = de heer van het huis
Het jaar der jaren = het jaar van de jaren
Het beste lied aller tijden = het beste lied van alle tijden
's Morgens ga ik naar school = Des morgens ga ik naar school = In de morgen ga ik naar school
U bent één mijner vrienden. = U bent één van mijn vrienden.
Woordenboek der Nederlandsche taal = Woordenboek van de Nederlandse taal
>>58312713
I see.
So the Dativ + Preposition just took over the Genitiv.
This eredicates one case.
Still wonder about the Akkusativ.
>>58312557
>do you really think German and English should be grouped together?
It works better than grouping English with Icelandic and Danish, honestly.
English fits nicely in the West Germanic Dialect Continuum (English-Scots-Frisian-Dutch-Low German-Central German-Upper German)
>>58312701
Meine Frau hat sieben Kinder.
My wife has seven children.
Er möge sich hinfort ficken.
He may fuck off. (He may fuck himself off)
Meine Scheiße stinkt zum Himmel.
My shit stinks to the heaven.
>>58312683
US Department of State’s Foreign Service ranked languages based on how difficult they are to learn for native English speakers after doing an extensive study
Category 1 had Dutch, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, and Afrikaans in it.
German was in the 'other' category at 900 hours(between category 1 and category 2)
Category 2 had languages such as Hebrew and Hindi, for context.
If anything, German is in the wrong grouping.
>>58310333
>They are tall
>self-reported
>>58312817
Actually, I don't really know. I guess all the forms just merged and the accusatief became indistinguishable from a normal Article.
Na jaren ontmoette hij den ouden man weer.
Na jaren ontmoette hij de oude man weer. (Normal)
De veldwachter richtte zich tot den ouden man.
De veldwachter richtte zich tot de oude man. (Normal)
>>58312907
what's your word for this?
dutchies can feel free to chip in too :^)
>>58312989
I've been saying that German is farer away from English than Dutch and North Germanic languages already for the whole time.
End yes, we are propably wrong grouped but on the otherhand German is also closer to North Germanic languages than it is to English and even closer to Dutch.
I fucking read sometimes Wikipedia in Dutch and can even understand a lot.
>>58313112
>a single loan word proves English is north Germanic
>>58313112
It's a Teer, from Middle Dutch Tree.
Though most people use Boom.
>>58313112
Baum
>>58313221
>Boom
I giggle every time
>>58313112
Cognate with Scots tree (“wood, rod, stick”), North Frisian tre, trä (“tree”), Middle Dutch tree (“tree”), Dutch teer (“tree”), Danish træ (“tree”), Swedish trä (“wood”), träd (“tree”), Norwegian tre (“tree”), Icelandic tré (“tree”)
It doesn't prove anything, smartass.
>>58313112
Thats a pretty boom.
Would make little boompjes with
>>58313300
>Dutch teer
liar
>>58313268
But a boom is just a boom.
Just look at this boom. It's shape just reminds you of a boom, doesn't it?
>>58312550
All Germanic languages used to have cases on an early stage, as well as the Romance languages. It's a natural process for languages to simplify over time. And it's not only about cases, there used to be some features that were common, but now are only present in very few archaic languages, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_(grammatical_number)
>>58313341
No.
Why would I lie about my own language?
It's true most people use "Boom", but "Teer" is still a synonym that is etymologically connected.
>>58313112
>"Der Baum" from old norsk "baðmr"
>tfw there languages using new age words like tree
Kek, little boy.
>>58313112
North Germanic has some own, distinct shifts though, like dropping the "w" in front of dark vowels, compare
Wolle - wool - ull
Wolf - wolf - ulf
Wotan - Woden - Odin
>>58313470
I know this kind of stuff.
I once found a page that was about the Origin of this:
gehen (to go)
vergehen (to abuse/humilate/harm)
begehen (to commit)
aufgehen (to open "yourself")
zugehen (to close "yourself")
angehen (to start a challenge etc)
abgehen (to go wild)
This prefixes that change the meaning of a verb.
I unfortunatly forgot what this is called.
>>58313767
Russian has this too, but I never thought it was somehow unusual? And that it has some origin. Would be interesting to read about this, maybe you could try to retell the essence?
Do dutch people hate slavs? I'll be going there soon for a few months at least, and I'm kind of worried.
>>58314135
Just dont steal any cars. Eastern europeans are very known for stealing shit
germanic people are evil
>>58310246
We are a Germanjc country and we have a lot of dialects. The most of us speak a niederfrankish dialect. We're tall because we don't want to drown
>>58314135
Nah, we don't.
Romanians are way worse, though that may be because all Romanians here are part gypsy.
Though you might want to avoid Amsterdam or Rotterdam. Turks and Moroccans don't like Slavs.
>>58314295
Fucking faggots ruining everything for me. I'm peaceful and don't steal like a nigger, but I bet the stereotype sticks.
>>58314334
Fortunately, we Dutch people are Belgic, not Germanic :^)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordwestblock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Belgian_language
>>58314412
>Turks and Moroccans don't like Slavs.
I don't like mudslimes either. A friend told me Morrocans in the Netherlands are quite dangerous, almost like a mafia. is that true?
>>58314510
Yes. Moroccans are pretty much our version of niggers. They live in ghettos, often don't attempt to learn Dutch, and their youths are terrorizing the streets. They are more like Gangsters than the Mafia.
That said, the more intelligent among them often get involved in shady business that's pretty much identical to the Mafia.
>>58314460
>we wuz Belgae 'n shit
>>58314135
Not at all m8
>>58314623
>tfw I'll probably live in a ghetto because rent is expensive
I promise to take a few Morrocans with me before I get murdered.
>>58314623
Lol you exaggerate, it's true a lot of morrocans have settled themselves into the dutch criminal scene and they are more likely to commit a crime but nearly everyone of them speak dutch fluently, at least the ones younger then 40
How does Afrikaans sound to Dutch people?
>>58314732
So you wont rent a large house with 9 of your m8s who all drive a mercedes and get drunk all day every day while wearing tracksuits and gold chains?
>>58314841
>nearly everyone of them speak dutch fluently
wollah g
>>58314841
wollah g kom voor het uitkering
>>58314900
Simplified.
I guess it sounds like how Brazilian sounds to the Portuguese.
>>58314906
I don't have m8s, I don't drink, and I prefer the JDM life. Ideally I'd get a small studio apartment and play video games all day when not working.
>>58314910
>wollah g
what does it mean?
>>58314919
>>58314910
Ik woon in gouda en bij mijn huidige baan in een callcenter werk ik met heel veel mocro's geloof me als ze bellen of serieus doen schrik je hoe netjes ze kunnen praten haha
>>58314900
We (I count myself as Dutch because Belgium is a meme) can read Afrikaans generally, there will be some words I don't know but I can read 85%+ and fill in the rest according to the context.
Spoken Afrikaans is another matter though. The grammar is too different and the sentences stop making sense if I can't read them and see for myself what the different word groups are.
>>58314972
literally nothing
it's how maghreb thugs speak, the "G" is I think the same as how US niggers say "G" (maybe from "gents" or sth?)
>>58314963
You are welcome to stay with me then for at least an evening <3
>>58314972
Arabic for' i swear' g, g stands for gangster
>>58315036
Only if you're a cure 2D girl. :v)
>>58315027
Lol get out more
>>58314985
Echt?
Iedere keer als ik Marokkanen hoor kan ik ze al van een grote afstand herkennen. Met hun rollende r'en, het niet gebruiken van "het" en hoe ze de "z"uitspreken, enz.
>>58315043
Really?
I don't live in the Randstad so I only hear it on television, and I thought it was gibberish.
>>58315027
>>58315043
do they pronounce it like "ɣɣɣɣeJ̯" ?
>>58313033
Higher educated people are more likely to be tall. Students are young, and younger population is also taller. That measured shit is just as skewed.
>>58315158
>"ɣɣɣɣeJ̯
No, they pronounce it like in English.
dʒiː
>>58315208
phew, that's better
>>58311265
>English is nothing like Dutch.
>Afrikaans (dutch descendant)
>My pen was in my hand
>English
>My pen was in my hand
>>58315298
Rude tbqh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_G_in_Dutch
>>58315355
>My pen was in my hand
>Mijn pen was in mijn hand
>>58315383
soft G and rolling R master race
>>58313300
Träd = Tree
Trä = Wood
>>58315412
that's actually still nearly english
>>58315145
>>58315118
Jep, ik ben tussen ze opgegroeid. Marrokanen overdrijven gewoon vaak, hoe ze praten, hoe ze doen. Zijn meer status gericht en sneller opgefokt dan de gemiddelde nederlander. Maar als het erop aankomt kunnen de meesten netjes praten. Ze houden gewoon vast aan hun eigen subcultuurtje.
Because we drink a lot of good milk.
>>58315559
I'm lactose intolerant and 1.90m tall. Come @ me.
>>58315383
Don't get me wrong, i like hard g, it gives the language a somewhat "crispy" sound idk. It's just that moroccans mentioning allah and using loanslang from american niggers, but pronouncing it in a dutch way would be a complete nonsence
>>58315482
>tfw exactly the reverse
>>58315602
That's because you're a special snowflake.
>>58310246
>They are so Tall?
[CITATION NEEDED]
>>58312103
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Frisian_languages#References
>>58311265
>Then explain all the Arabs in my city, anon.
cuck fetish
>>58315540
other way around bro :^)
