Serous question /int/. Wouldn't it more productive to put criminals in a work camp, a place where they could actually work and contribute to society, then jsut a regular prison where they don't do anything useful?
Yes, I have always wondered why we dont make prisoners clean up trash on the streets, remove graffiti etc. Guess people are okay with them just sitting there rather than actually getting something out of their tax money
that's forced/modern slavery. of course not
>>58276914
Just use Arab slaves
>>58276914
They actually do work in prison here.
They get paid a little, tho. Like 50 cent/hour to buy stuff like cigarettes inside the jail.
>>58276988
Me too, that's why I'm asking here. Wth today's technology we could let them in to the city and make cleaner then ever before for free.
>>58277106
>slavery
Those people are thieves, molesters, murders, thugs and criminlas that harmed society, why shouldn't we use them?
>>58277170
What kind of work?
Our prisoners can work, and for below minimum wage too. They are employed by private corporations, not the state though.
>>58276914
Dunno about your country but prisoners here generally do work
>>58277210
>for free
Typical Jew. We want to rehabilitate prisoners that can be rehabilitated. Forcing them to work for free will make them resent society. Letting them work for a wage will teach them that playing by the rules and doing legitimate work will reward them more than crime will. At least it'll have that effect on some of them, I'm not claiming all prisoners can be rehabilitated.
>>58277300
He is not talking about part time job.
Working camps like germans putted kikes during ww2 and russians had
>>58277210
>What kind of work?
Mostly simple manual labour. Like getting some half finished products they have to put together.
>>58277210
>Those people are thieves, molesters, murders, thugs and criminlas that harmed society, why shouldn't we use them?
Because they're still human lives. That's what rehabilitation is for so they can have a fair chance back in society.
We had world wars over slavery for fuck's sake.
>>58277355
Prison isn't for rehabilitation, it is for punishment.
>>58277372
Pyд
>>58277422
Why not put them on big projects?
>>58277485
I take it you're a Russian Jew with a Soviet mentality, and that's why you believe state planning and harsh punishments work better than rehabilitating people and incentivizing good behavior.
>>58277576
You got pretty much everything right except the Jewish part.
>>58276914
Fucking Jews what the hell is wrong with you
>>58276914
That creates an incentive to put people in jail. The state ends up becoming a slave hunting operation.
>>58277455
>Because they're still human lives. That's what rehabilitation is for so they can have a fair chance back in society.
Prison isn't for rehabilitation, it's for punishing those who harmed society those people should work their way back to society and not just sit on their asses and do nothing.
>We had world wars over slavery for fuck's sake.
>world wars
>because of slavery
wut
>>58277761
There will always be criminals, especially in your case.
Take a look at Soviet concentration and labor camps and see for yourself. In documents, they had massive production output, but this product was nowhere to be found, because tufta: faking results by prinosers, by work gang leaders, camp guards, camp heads and other authorities. Same happened in OP's picture related country as well, and is still happening.
Unwilling workers - and prisoners without real pay are always that - are not productive, not even if their life is threatened.
>>58277761
This is what usssr was.
Half of the population was in working camp jails half of population were soldiers who guarded them at jails.
Thats why russia is so bydlo because more than half of the population have been to jails and have inmate mentality aka dont trust anyone
Unemployment rates are high enough without other people working for free.
>>58277922
Go fuck yourself, nipshit
>>58277862
>>58277888
Fuck you, Jew. Listen to the Kazakh, he knows what he's talking about.
>>58277922
t. luxembourger
>>58277355
>US prison system
>rehabilitating anyone
>>58276914
Yes, and that's why gulag was based.
>>58276988
Has to be jobs that:
1. Must be done inside jail
2. Are profitable to society and not just meme jobs
3. Don't give them the chance to communicate and influence people outside of jail
>>58277869
To be fair, very few stuff actually worked properly in the USSR.
>>58277888
You have a single fact to back that up?
>>58277922
I'm talking about works that nobody really wants to do but need to be done.
>>58277994
Rude
>>58277888
But Steplag was in your country, my slant eyed friend. In other words, you share that same zek mentality as our Russian comrades.
>Mfw everyone is against "socialism", but wants to give to the police the power to do what they want with the population.
>Mfw I have no face.
>>58278087
>To be fair, very few stuff actually worked properly in the USSR.
This was no different in Czarist Russia either or any other country that had massive labor camps or colonies. Penal colonies in Russian Federation still produce nothing but shit.
Finland too had work colonies few decades back and work quality was absolutely horrible and many constuctions had to be rebuild by real workers.
>>58276988
Because we'd have a bunch of black slaves again
>>58278404
What have you done?
>>58277106
>that's forced/modern death. of course not
>that's forced/modern corruption. of course not
>that's forced/modern rape. of course not
>that's forced/modern robbery. of course not
Sasuga israel
channeling nazi germany since 1964
>>58278461
He spit on a Quran.
>>58276914
they do work here, only retarded westcuck coutries do not to that
>>58278461
it's she and the answer is "forgot her burqa"
>>58278588
Nah, I think it involves lolis.
58278119
>>58278119
Implying we were too strict with our vigilantes, my vatnik kolbasa immigrant friend.
We didnt have eye for an eye laws or mentality. They just had to pay alot of money if they killed a man.
And that gulags were built not for locals but for eastern europeans who couldnt survive our winters.
All kazakhs during ussr specially were jailed in very eastern russia so they couldnt go back to their home
>>58276914
On the state i live in some jails do that. But they pay is shit since theyre inmates, like i mean really SHIT. It borders slavery. Be aware that it doesnt make anyone want to be better when they get out or while inside it just makes labor thats cheaper than in some asian areas
>>58277485
>Why not put them on big projects?
Like what? Doing stuff outside?
Probably safety risk...
>>58278461
Wasn't pleased when Mehmet raped his wife.
>>58276914
For non-violent criminals, absolutely.
Define "work-camp" because I'm thinking rather than making child slaves make clothes they could as part of their penitence and also maintaining towns greenery and communal areas, removing graffiti and picking up litter are all things they should be doing as well as studying to become more rounded people so they can integrate back into society.
It's different for violent prisoners. They need a different sort of rehab.
Depends. Whatever they produce must be used for the good of the people, not for private businesses to profit. Also, they should receive a good enough wage to support family in the outside if they have any, or for it to be given at the end of their prison term, so that they don;t have too big money issues after they are releases. Also, they should be offered a choice between learning a trade/ education (which in the long term, is most beneficial to the individual and the society, they have the time) or just work. they should have all the rights normal laborers have, etc.
Also, prison labor must not displace regular laborerers.
>>58278750
That doesn't sound very Swedish
We should also forcefully take the organs of prisoners to be executed and the blood of all the ones that don't have STDs
not memeing
>>58278861
Criminal swedes are extremely dangerous, you know. Maybe he even will not smile if mehmet spit in his face.
Prison is for both rehabilitation and punishment
I don't want people coming out of prison and being even more violent and committing more crimes just so you can have a warm fuzzy feeling in your stomach about punishment
>>58279156
If it was real punishment we would turn prisons into gas chambers :^)
>>58277106
Well, if we pay them a little bit then it won't be slavery anymore...
Yeah it should.
Some prisons do that here, but mostly they just keep in Jail doing nothing all day.
Put them to work on breaking rocks or some shit.
>>58279433
>breaking rocks
cleaning the streets would be much more useful desu
>>58279506
Nah, putting them on streets would be dangerous.
I know some prison give them professional courses inside the prisons. Like mechanics, eletrician etc... you know, for them have to work with something when they get out.
A good criminal is a dead criminal. We should replace the prisons for extermination camps.
This is what a shithead who can't follow the rules of the society should receive.
Personally, I think non-violent criminals and NEETS need to be put in work camps
>>58276914
Work in prison is pretty common, you know
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>>58279883
>>58277106
>of course we have to be considerate and humane to people who never were!
>>58278742
Digging tunnels, constructing railways, these sort of things.
>>58278972
Agree but only from those who committed the most horrible crimes.
>>58278635
That's whyvEastenr Europe is best Europe.
>>58279965
Not here.
>>58278664
>All kazakhs during ussr specially were jailed in very eastern russia so they couldnt go back to their home
Yes, this is true up to Kobas death (true for all Soviet citizens - or rather previous citizens - to be thrown as far as from their homes as possible and because all gold mining was in eastern parts of Siberia), after that Kazakh percentage in KSSR camps/colonies started to rise rapidly, in early 70's they already made majority in these camps.
Doesnt really change that prisoner mentality factor either way. Who the hell didnt have that mentality in USSR? Or rather why Baltics have quite succesfully got out of that mindset, but Russians havent?
>>58279883
this is an 18+ site.
>>58279883
There are literally 0 countries where this has worked.
>>58280298
North Korea
